Office of Strategic Services great concern but it was several days before they were
able to get in touch with him. His only explanation: was
that he wanted to be alone and had taken a trip into the
country. The following Christmas Eve he was again
absent without explanation. Late on Christmas night
he called from Dresden and asked to speak to Winifred,
saying it was Doctor Wolf. It so happened that she knew
a Doctor Wolf in Dresden with whom she did not wish to
communicate and told Friedlinde to say she was not at
home. This disturbed him greatly and he wanted to know
where she went and if she could be reached. His voice
now became normal and Friedlinde recognized him and
then called her mother. When she answered, he said he
was in great despair and could he come to Wahnfried,
even if it was late. For several days he was very much
distressed and stayed a good deal by himself.
Friedlinde is convinced that his tirades are only acts
by which he hopes to gain his own way. She told of an
incident in which he staged one to order. Herlittle [sic]
sisters' school was due to open several days before the
festival. She had begged her mother to permit her to
remain at home and miss school until after the festival
was over. Her mother insisted that she must go to school
and be there for the opening day. Hitler happened to stop
in at Wahnfried and the two girls cooked up a plot to get
Hitler to speak to Winifred and persuade her to let the
child remain for the festival. Friedlinde approached Hitler
with her sister's predicament and advanced arguments why
she should be permitted to remain at home.
Hitler promised
to cooperate and later, when the whole family was
assembled, he suddenly asked Winifred if it were true
that she was sending the child back to school. Winifred
insisted that it was the child's duty to be in school
when it opened just like other children. Hitler then
started one of his tirades which lasted for twenty
minutes. He stamped back and forth across the room,
shouting at the top of his voice that this was nonsense
and what did duty to the school mean in comparison to
duty to the culture. He maintained that this was a crime
and called forth all kinds of arguments to prove his point.
The family was just overwhelmed by his display and said
that if he felt that way about it the child could naturally
remain at home. The minute they had said this, Hitler
stopped his tirade and began to indulge in a conversation
about other topics in a normal tone of voice just as though
nothing had happened.
On another occasion, when she was present with other
guests, Hitler for some unknown reason became dissatisfied
with Schaub and called Schaub in and began to scold him
before the assembled company. Evidently Schaub was not
duly impressed and Hitler worked himself to a higher pitch
until his eyes rolled and spit formed at the corners of his
mouth. For a few moments he acted like an insane animal
and he ordered Schaub from his sight. At the moment
Schaub had disappeared, Hitler returned to a friendly
conversation with his guests just as though nothing had
happened.
Hitler enjoys imitating people. One of his favorite caricatures
is a take-off on Phipps. He does this extremely well and when
he is in good spirits, he likes to perform in this way before
small selected groups. During the first years as Chancellor,
he frequently visited the opera or the theatre, but by 1935
he gave this up in large part and spent most of his time
visiting operettas and comedies which he seemed to enjoy
much more. On an average he attended performances of this
sort at least once or twice a week. Miss Wagner also spoke
of his extreme passion for moving pictures which are shown
almost every evening in the Chancellery. According to her
he is particularly fond of French films and up to the time
of the war, he had all of them shown in his private theatre.
He used to say, "Die Schilderung des Kleinbuergerlichen
Milieud ist einfach genial in diesen Filmen." Ordinarily
he does not permit people to smoke near him during
performances of this sort because he claims that it
irritates his throats and prevents him from speaking
effectively.
Hitler has a mania for long tables. He has one which is at
least 15 meters long and is made out of one piece of wood.
He takes great pride in these tables and often consults
with von Troost who manufactures them. Contrary to
reports Hitler hates to fly in airplanes. He only does so
when the matter is extremely urgent or when he wants
to create an impression. Otherwise he uses a special
train and limits the speed of this to 60 kilometers per
hour. He claims that he can sleep better when the train
is moving slowly but on several trips that Miss Wagner
has taken on this special train, during the daytime, he
would not permit the engineer to exceed that speed.
During 1935 Miss Wagner was invited to dinner at Hitler's
house in Munich. At table she sat opposite the fireplace
over which hung a large mirror and on the mantle a bronze
bust of Geli. She examined the bust very closely because
from all reports she believed Geli to be an unusual beauty
but in the bust she was quite common looking with low
forehead, high cheekbones, broad fat stub nose, and a
large mouth. On the whole the face looked rather coarse.
She remembered as she sat there the story Hitler had
told them earlier about Geli's accident. His version was
that several years before her death, Geli has gone to
fortune teller who told her that her life would end
with a revolver bullet. Since that time, until she died,
she had an hysterical fear of every revolver or irfle [sic].
Inasmuch as she was living in Hitler's apartment and was
constantly exposed to danger, she naturally had to have
a revolver on her night table.
On the evening of her death
Geli was alone in the apartment since Hitler had to make
a trip to Erlangen to give a speech. During his absence,
she must have tried to put the safety catch on the
revolver. It would seem however, that the safety
catch was already on and she took it off and thereby
accidentally, shot herself. Theneighbors [sic] heard
her shot followed by a cry and tried to break into the
apartment. They intercepted Hitler on his way to
Erlangen and he returned immediately. Whether this
report is true or not, Miss Wagner is sure that it is
since this time that he became a vegetarian and gave
up alcohol and smoking. He also stopped celebrating
Christmas for several years and only since 1934 has
he joined the "alten Kaempfern" in Munich on Christmas Eve.
On both sides of the fireplace hung Hitler's prized
possessions, the paintings of Spitzweg. Hehhad [sic]
ordered all art dealers to make a hunt for Spitzweg's
pictures and the six that were hanging there were his
prized possessions. Miss Wagner commented it seemed
that the great Dictator who was always striving to make
everything he did of monumental size should worship the
painter who glorified "Des Spiessburgertums".
According to Miss Wagner Hitler maintains s very peculiar
relationship to Mrs. Bechstein, the wife of the piano
manufacturer. During the early years she undoubtedly
helped Hitler a great deal both financially and socially.
He was a constant visitor at her home and she was
thoroughly convinced that he was a genius and the
savior of Germany. As soon as he became Chancellor,
however, her attitude seemed to change. It seemed that
everything he did was wrong, foolish or stupid, and she
did not pull her punches in telling him so. Miss Wagner
was present on several occasions when she upbraided
him for some of the reforms he was trying to put into
effect. She says that Mrs. Bechstein opened up with the
big guns just as soon as the salutations were over. Usually
she started in by asking him ifhe [sic] were crazy and would
then talk so fast and furiously that Hitler couldn't get a
word in in self-defense. During these violent scoldings
Hitler would stand there like an abashed school-boy who
had committed a misdemeanor. She is the one person who
would carry on a monologue in Hitler's presence and who
would tell him what she thought. She always calls him
Wolf and addresses him with the familiar "Du".
In later years, it reached the point where Hitler dreaded
meeting her and yet he felt duty-bound to call on her,
particularly when they were both present at the Wagner
Festival. Even the prospect of meeting her worried him
no end and he kept postponing on his visit from one time
to another on the slightest pretext. He even tried to bribe
the Wagner children to accompany him on the theory that
she would not be too harsh on him in the presence of children.
Having lived through a few such experiences, however, the
Wagner children would not be bribed into such a mission.
Miss Wagner is also of the opinion that Mrs. Bechstein had
designs on Hitler as a future son-in-law.
She denies that
there was anything beyond friendship in her mother's
relationship to Hitler and does not believe that Hitler
had any designs on her. She says he just seemed to enjoy
the home atmosphere of Wahnfried. She says that the fact
that her mother was English fascinated Hitler as other
English women have fascinated him but that there was
nothing more. He was particularly lenient with the children
and exceeded almost all their wishes even to the extent of
permitting her brother to withdraw from the Hitler Youth
because he did not like it. Nevertheless, he had a tremendous
influence on Winifred Wagner, even to the point where she
threatened the life
of Friedlinde if she did not return to Germany and
accede to Hitler' s wishes.
She spoke of her first visit to the new Chancellery
buildings and how Hitler escorted her through the entire
place. He seemed to get his greatest thrill out of the
size of the rooms and corridors and reception halls
and kept telling her how much larger these were than
the old ones and how much larger he would like to have
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then when he built a new Chancellery building befitting
to the Third Reich. She remembers his bedroom very well
since it was such a shock to her. After seeing all the
extravagance of the new building, she had expected his
bedroom to be in keeping with the rest. To her amazement
she found a relatively small room painted in light pink,
or flesh color, and saw nothing but a white iron bed with
ribbons draped around the head, a white dresser and a
couple of straight chairs. There was a painting of his
mother over the head of the bed and no other decorations.
She is sure that at that time there was no picture of Geli
or anyone else. As she turned around she noticed that the
closet door had been left open and she glanced in casually
as she passed it. To her amazement and amusement, she
discovered that the closet contained only khaki shirts all
nicely pressed and hung on hangers from a central rod.
Each had a beautiful swastika armband sewn on the sleeve.
Sheestimated [sic] that there must have been at least 40
of them and she wondered at the time why anyone would
want so many. Her impression of Hitler's bedroom was that
it was more of [unreadable] fitting for a maid than it was
for a Chancellor.
Friedlinde was studying in England in 1937 and 1938. In order
to keep her mother quiet she usually stopped in Berlin to visit
Hitler on the way to and from London. Although they had never
gotten on well together, Hitler always seemed very happy to
see her and insisted that she remain and join him at a meal.
She says she often tried to tell him about English sentiments
but he always refused to listen on the grounds that von
Ribbentrop was sending detailed reports. When she tried
to point out that Ribbentrop's reports were not in accordance
with the facts, he always brushed it aside and treated her
as a small child and advised her not to get mixed up in politics.
Several times she says she lost her temper and was very
outspoken in her condemnation of what he was doing but he
took these good-naturedly and usually brushed them aside.
This was particularly true in connection with the Jewish
pogroms for which Hitler assumed full responsibility and
was certain that neither the Germans nor the English as a
whole felt as she did about them, whereas her friends
seemed to feel. He always insisted that the proper way to
rule was through terror and that underneath the people
really liked it. On one occasion when he was speaking of
his views on justice he said, "Wenn zwei Burschen sich
um ein Maedel raufen, und der eine den anderen aus versehen
ersticht, was in Bayern nur allsu leicht passiert, dann lasse
ich denjenigen hinrichten. Ich gebe ihm 15 Jahre
Bewaehrungsfrist mit sofortiger Freisetsung. Mann hingegen
irgendein Kerl es sich enifallen laasst, ein Maedel zu ermorden,
nachdem er ihr ein Kind aufgehaengt hat, so lasse ich ihn
ruecksichlos hinrichten."
According to Miss Wagner Hitler's parties are
exceedingly dull since he always likes to be the center
of attraction. Most of the people he invites, and
particularly the actors and actresses, find him
exceedingly dull and although they go because it is
diplomatic to do so, they are only too ready to seize
the opportunity of sneaking out on the first occasion.
Hitler usually tells the same stories over and over
again and most of his guests have heard them many times.
Hitler hates the atmosphere of a hospital and almost
never will go there to visit a sick friend. He tried to
make up for this deficiency by sending lots of flowers
and occasionally a card.
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Hitler Source Book
Interviews with Friedlinde Wagner
New York City
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