Two Hundred and Sixth Day:
Monday, 19th August, 1946 [Page 268]
From number 30 I shall read the following, on the first page
under the heading "Organization and Composition of the
Gestapo in Bielefeld," second sentence:
[Page 269]
'By virtue of the authority vested in me by the Reich
Minister of the Interior, you are hereby transferred as
of to the Gestapo office.'
I had nothing to say in the matter of this transfer. The
attempt of my superior in the Police Presidency to save
me from this transfer failed." [Page 270]
THE PRESIDENT: We have heard about this secrecy over and
over again, not only in your affidavits but throughout the
trial. Surely it is not necessary to read the paragraphs of
these affidavits about secrecy.
[Page 271]
DR. MERKEL: Gestapo Affidavit 25 contains an opinion about
Exhibit USA 219. It deals with the transfer of 35,000
prisoners capable of work into armament plants attached to
concentration camps.
The affidavit originates from a sub-department chief
(Stellenleiter) of the Gestapo and I shall quote from the
third sentence of the third paragraph:
Affidavit 40 states that the order for the evacuation of
Jews from Hessen in 1942 came directly from the Chief of the
Security Police and not from Department IV of the Reich
Security Main Office. Commitment for work in the East was
given as the reason for the evacuation.
Affidavits 42, and to some extent 91, deal with the decree
that the crucifixes should be removed from schools. From
Affidavit 42 I shall read the second sentence on the first
page:
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Merkel, you heard what I said to Dr.
Servatius, did you not?
DR. MERKEL: Yes, Mr. President.
[Page 272]
DR. MERKEL: I had merely thought that in order to support
these summaries in the record, short extracts from these
affidavits -
THE PRESIDENT: It is no use telling me what you merely
thought. You heard what I said to Dr. Servatius, that the
Tribunal did not want to hear the same thing over again
which appears in the transcript of the proceedings before
the Commissioners. It was all gone into perfectly clearly
with Dr. Servatius, and it was explained to him, in your
hearing, that we cannot carry all these things in our minds
and that it is useless to go over them twice unless there is
some matter of very great importance. which you want to draw
our attention to before you make your final speech; and I
said that before and I do not want to have to say it again.
DR. MERKEL: In that case, if I may, I shall refer to the
summaries of the transcripts of the Commission, that is to
the following numbers up to 91, and then I shall assume that
the Tribunal will take cognizance of the contents of these
summaries. I then have left only a collective affidavit. If
the Tribunal wishes me to do so, I can read the summary
contained in that affidavit; as far as I know, that has not
been translated. There are six pages of this summary of
1,276 individual affidavits which do not appear in the
Commission report.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, go on.
DR. MERKEL: Regarding the question of membership being
compulsory, 665 affidavits are available. They state that
when the Gestapo was created, the requirements for personnel
were for the most part met from the existing Political
Police. Regarding forced membership of persons doing
compulsory service, there are 127 affidavits which deal with
the same subject.
Seven hundred and eighty-five affidavits state that they had
no knowledge of the crimes of which the Gestapo is being
accused.
Thirty-nine affidavits treat with the difference in
organization between the Gestapo in the Reich and the
Security Police in occupied territories.
One hundred and ninety-five affidavits state that the
writers had no knowledge of inhuman treatment and atrocities
in the concentration camps. A few officials who had visited
concentration camps on conducted tours could not notice any
irregularities there. Also released detainees did not speak
about concentration camps in a critical manner.
One hundred and thirty-three affidavits state that no
participation or supervision of the excesses of 9th and 10th
November had taken place.
Sixty-seven affidavits state that the looting of private or
State property was expressly forbidden to members of the
Gestapo.
One hundred and thirty-five affidavits state that a large
number of Gestapo members knew nothing about the existence
of the Special Purpose Groups or of atrocities committed by
them.
Two hundred and eighteen affidavits state that the "Kugel"
(Bullet) decree was unknown to the majority of the Gestapo
officials and that recaptured prisoners of war were turned
over to Wehrmacht offices.
One hundred and sixty-eight affidavits state that enemy
parachutists were turned over to the Air Force by the of
evidence by means of documents and affidavits.
[Page 273]
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
LT.-COMMANDER HARRIS: Dr. Merkel has cited this document as
evidence that the executions in concentration camps were
ordered by the WVHA, but I would respectfully invite the
attention of the Tribunal to the sentence in the centre on
the first page and I quote: "For this measure, permission of
the Chief of the Security Police must be obtained."
THE PRESIDENT: Commander Harris, the Tribunal thinks that
this is a matter which can be dealt with in argument and not
at this stage.
LT.-COMMANDER HARRIS: Very well.
THE PRESIDENT: Now, the Tribunal will hear the case of the
SD. Is counsel for the SD not present?
DR. STAHMER: He is being fetched and will be here any
moment.
THE PRESIDENT: Marshal, have you made any effort to get - to
obtain the presence of this counsel? Have you communicated
with him?
THE MARSHAL: We got in touch with his office, and we are
looking for the defence counsel now.
THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal will adjourn now until tomorrow
morning at ten o'clock.
(The Tribunal adjourned until 20th August, 1946, at 1000 hours.)
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(Part 4 of 4)
"When this Gestapo office was founded, in 1934, about
eight criminal investigation officials and two police
administration officials of the Bielefeld State Police,
and about five criminal investigation officials from
branch offices were transferred to the Bielefeld Gestapo.
The transfer was made without previously obtaining the
consent of the officials."
Then, from Page 3 of the same affidavit, I beg to be allowed
to quote one example of the composition of a fairly large
Gestapo office.
"Organization and composition of the Gestapo in Bruenn.
In the spring of 1944 the personnel comprised about 800
persons, distributed approximately as follows:
administrative officials, about 35; executive officials,
about 280; drivers, employees, about 110; frontier police
officials, about 65; criminal investigation employees,
for instance interpreters, about 90; prison supervision
personnel, about 80; female office personnel, about 90;
other auxiliaries, about 50."
And then the second paragraph after that:
"When the Gestapo office in Bruenn was created, about 400
officials were transferred from offices in the Reich
proper, without their consent having been secured, to
Bruenn or to the branch offices connected with Bruenn.
More than half of the personnel consisted of emergency
service conscripts or was doing compulsory service."
From Affidavit 31, I shall read on Page 2, at the beginning:
"At the end of 1944 the Gestapo consisted of
approximately the following: Administrative officials,
3,000; executive officials, 15,500; employees and
workmen, including 9,000 called up for emergency service,
13,500. Grand total, 32,000. These members of the Gestapo
may be considered to be the permanent ones in so far as
they made up the normal staff. In addition to these
persons, there were the following groups: Detached from
the Waffen SS, 3,500; taken over from the Secret Field
Police, 5,500; taken over from the military counter-
intelligence of the OKW, 5,000; personnel of the former
military mail censorship, 7,500; members of the customs-
frontier guard, 45,000."
Then I come to Affidavit 34, where I shall read from the
first page, under the heading "Professional career," the
last quotation:
"1st April, 1933, transfer, that is, order to join the
Gestapo Department of Berlin. I received at that time a
letter reading as follows:
I now beg to be permitted, in connection with the
relationship of the Gestapo to the Frontier Police, to read
the following from Affidavit 22; this is on Page 2 of the
German original:
"The members of the Frontier Police were taken over from
the Frontier Police, which already existed in Bavaria
before 1933, into the Frontier Police of the Gestapo.
Later on, after the annexation of Austria, the Austrian
Frontier Police were added as well. The incorporation of
the Frontier Police officials in the Gestapo was not
voluntary either in Bavaria or in Austria. On the
contrary, the officials were transferred as a group when
Control of the Gestapo was transferred to the Reich or
when the annexation of Austria took place."
I omit the following sentence.
"The officials could not object against their transfer to
the Gestapo on grounds of the, instructions concerning
the rights of officials. They had to agree to this
transfer."
Then the second paragraph farther on:
"The tasks of the Frontier Police consisted mainly in the
supervision of the traffic of persons across the
frontier, the carrying out of police instructions with
regard to passports, and in the supervision of the
traffic of goods in connection with the customs
authorities. Political tasks, like those of the Gestapo
in a stricter sense, were not the business of the
Frontier Police."
I omit the next sentence and go on to quote:
"I know from my own experience that the tasks of the
Frontier Police and also its activity did not change after
1933."
"I must also draw attention to the fact that the same
tasks as those of the Frontier Police were performed at
many small frontier passages by members of the Reich
finance administration and the customs administration. In
this the customs officials were bound by exactly the same
instructions as members of the Frontier Police."
Numbers 23, 24, 35 and 39 deal with the question of secrecy.
"No department within the State Police knew anything
about orders issued by any other department. Even private
conversation was forbidden. Considering the strict
secrecy, only the few persons of the Reich Security Main
Office who were immediately concerned therewith knew of
the individual measures."
From 35 I read the following; and this is on Page 8 of the
original, the second paragraph:
"The centre of gravity of the factual discussions lay in
the personal conferences between the department chief and
group chief or their deputies on the one hand, and, as
until now, between the department chief and his
department heads on the other."
Then the beginning of the following paragraph:
"In view of this form of personal collaboration it
follows that only the persons actually and directly
taking part in a matter were informed about it, the more
so as, due to the directives which had been issued, the
principles of secrecy were strictly observed in
Department IV."
Then the beginning of the next paragraph:
"Still a further fact must be given decisive
consideration in this connection. In the course of the
war up to September, 1944 - but particularly in the
course of the air raids - Department IV in Berlin was
decentralised to an increasing degree and spread to
various quarters of the city."
Then also on Page 12 of the affidavit, the second paragraph
in the German text:
"In view of the practice of absolute secrecy and
isolation of information prevailing in all fields, it
should be clear of itself that a problem which had as
little to do with general tasks and activities as the
physical extermination of Jews was, if that is possible,
kept even more strictly secret. All plans and measures in
connection therewith must of necessity have been
discussed only in the closest circle of persons directly
involved, for all other members of Department IV never
received knowledge of it."
And then the beginning of the next paragraph:
"The same must have been the case with regard to
knowledge about the reports concerning mass shootings in
the East, as quoted by the prosecution. It is not known
in detail who could have had knowledge of such reports
besides the Reichsfuehrer SS and some individual
department chiefs. If this knowledge should, at the most,
have extended even to the immediately competent group
chiefs and specialists, it is still far from being the
case, as asserted by the prosecution, that the bulk of
the personnel in Department IV, or even in the Reich
Security Main Office or in the offices throughout the
Reich, were informed."
From Affidavit 39 I read the following from Page 3 of the
original:
"Upon my assuming office in the Reich Security Main
Office in August, 1941, Muller declared to me that in his
sphere of activity he placed great value upon observing
the stipulations for secrecy and that he would proceed
without pity, with the severest measures, against
violations thereof."
And then the last sentence of the same paragraph -
"In another case, the order by the Chief of the Security
Police and the SD of 17th December, 1942, according to
which at least 35,000 persons capable of working were to
be transported to concentration camps to work in the
armament plants there, was not carried out by many
Gestapo offices. These persons were to be recruited from
the prisoners of the labour training camps of the Gestapo
offices. This was incompatible with the customs followed
until then, and by many office chiefs known to me was
interpreted as an arbitrary measure. At conferences in
the Reich Security Main Office I learnt that the office
was unable to fulfil the request of the Reichsfuehrer SS
to provide prisoners, because the Gestapo leaders did not
provide prisoners from their labour training camps,
avoiding doing so by means of pretexts."
The summary of Affidavit 36 states that in the spring of
1944 the bulk of the members of the department of foreign
intelligence (Amt Ausland Abwehr) in the OKW were forcibly
transferred into the Security Police.
"Approximately in 1942, as I remember, Gauleiter Adolf
Wagner, in his capacity of Bavarian Minister of Culture,
ordered that the crucifixes were to be removed from all
Bavarian schools."
I omit the following sentence:
"Enforcement (of this ruling) met with the greatest
difficulties due to the attitude of the population, so
that the departments of the Party which were dealing with
the carrying out of that order called upon the district
officials (Landrate) and the district police offices for
assistance. Since the affair had a political character,
the district officials approached the State Police
department in Nuremberg with the request for advice or
assistance. As an expert for Church matters, I stated to
the first district official approaching me that the
Gestapo in Nuremberg would not help with this decree
unless they were forced to it directly and that he would
not receive any assistance from the State Police for the
carrying out of the order. Even in the case of further
instructions to the political officials, the State Police
would not take any action."
I omit the following sentence.
"I then reported the matter to the police chief, who
entirely and without reserve shared my point of view. In
agreement with him, I then informed the remaining
district officials concerned, by telephone, to the effect
that they should act accordingly."
Affidavit 43 says that, upon objections raised by the
competent commander of the Security Police, the intention of
the district official to turn the Protestant church in Welum
into a cinema was thwarted.