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Article: 45877 of alt.revisionism
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From: mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
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Subject: Re: Burned alive in Bialystok
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:23:45 -0700
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

> ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606) writes:
> 
> # The *Das Reich* division was being held up by British spies and 
> # local partisans, and some of their leaders were killed.
> # Therefore, as reprisal, they killed a lot of civilians.  In
> # theory, this was legit, but what they did at Ouradour was not.  
> # About 450 men women and children were locked into the church with
> # explosives and then it was torched.  

Oradour-sur-Glane. The SS Panzer Division Das Reich, in retaliation for
partisan attacks by the Maquis, rounded up the villagers of
Oradour-sur-Glane, who had no part in the attacks by the Maquis, in the
town square and then forced 400 women and children into the village church
and 240 men who into six barns. The Nazis then shot all the men and burned
the barns. They then sealed the church and then riddled it with gunfire
and lobbed hand grenades inside. Afterwards, they burned the church. After
the massacre the Nazis then ran across twenty villagers returning from a
shopping trip to Limoges and shot them all. Of all the hundreds of
villagers from Oradour-sur-Glane only a handful survived- those that
played dead or immediately ran into the woods when the Nazis came into the
village.

> Didn't a similar type of massacre take place in Lidice, in 
> "retaliation" to the killing of Heydrich?

Yes. It was in  reprisal against for the assassination of Heydrich. All
the men (192) and some of the women (71) were killed and the rest of the
women (198) were sent to the Ravensbru"ck concentration camp. All the
children were placed into "educational institutions."  Of those not killed
outright, 143 women and 16 children survived the war. It would be well to
note, however, that Hitler, upon hearing of Heydrich's assination, ordered
30,000 Czechs killed in reprisal. The order was canceled only because the
commando teams involved in Heydrich's assassination were captured. 

Mark

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Subject: Re: citations for 640-burned-alive?
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>Subject:     citations for 640-burned-alive?
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>Mark,
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>Could we get references for the events you describe at:
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>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?places/france/oradour-sur-glane/640-burned-alive


Cf. Gutman, _Encyclopedia of the Holocuast_, pp.1091,870-872.
Cf. Reitlinger, _SS: alibi of a nation 1922-1945_, pp.400-401,216.
Cf. Taylor, _The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials_, p.302.


Mark

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"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 

-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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