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Subject: 3) ARTICLE BY CARLO MATTOGNO part -3
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6) Number of Hungarian Jews who arrived at Auschwitz in May 1944. 

The report of Lieutenant Colonel Laszlo Ferenczy dated 29 May 1944 states 
that from the beginning of the deportation until midnight on 28 May 1944, 
there were 184,049 Jews deported to Auschwitz from Hungary in 58 trains. 
(29) As the first convoys had left on 15 May, the deportation took place 
within fourteen days. If we apply Pressac's "rule", out of 184,049 
deportees, approximately 122,700 persons were unable to work, and as such 
were homicidally gassed. Since the first convoys which had left on 15 May 
arrived at Auschwitz on 17 May, (30) and if the duration of the journey was 
two days, then 184,049 deported Hungarian Jews arrived at Auschwitz within a 
period of 14 days, between 17 May and 30 May. The average number of alleged 
homicidally gassed people would then be (122,700 / 14 =) 8,764 per day. If, 
on the contrary, the last deportations arrived at Auschwitz on 31 May, the 
average number of presumed homicidally gassed persons, would be 8,180 per 
day. 

7) The Aerial Reconnaissance Photographs of 31 May 1944: 

Jean-Claude Pressac bases his case on three presuppositions:

a) On 30 May, 1944, only one convoy of Hungarian Jews arrived at Birkenau 
(1,000 able and 2,000 unable to work). On 31 May, two convoys arrived (2,000 
able and 4,000 unable to work).
b) The photographs taken on 31 May show only six or seven cars on the ramp, 
so the above-mentioned convoys had not yet arrived.
c) Aerial reconnaissance photographs show that a cremation is taking place 
in one of the three pits measuring 3.5 by 15 meters in the Crematory V 
courtyard.

Let's analyze these presuppositions, one at a time:

a) The existing documents allow us to trace the deportation of the Hungarian 
Jews to Auschwitz at the end of May 1944, according to the following table:

DATE.......................................... 25 May 1944
Number of Deportees.........................138,870 (31)
Total Number of Trains................................44
Partial Number of Deportees........................./ 
Average Daily Number of Deportees............/
Partial Number of Trains................................/

DATE........................................... 28 May 1944
Number of Deportees..........................184,049 (32)
Total Number of Trains.................................58
Partial Number of Deportees................45,179 
Average Daily Number of Deportees...15,060
Partial Number of Trains..............................14

DATE........................................... 31 May 1944 
Number of Deportees..........................217,236 (33)
Total Number of Trains.................................69
Partial Number of Deportees................33,187 
Average Daily Number of Deportees...11,062
Partial Number of Trains...............................11

As for the Hungarian Jews who arrived at Auschwitz on 31 May 1944, there are 
two possibilities:

1) If the journey lasted from one to three days, on 31 May, three or four 
convoys arrived at Auschwitz which had departed on May 28, 29, or 30; so the 
number of deportees is 9,051 (34) (three convoys) or 12,068 (35) (four 
convoys).

2) If the journey lasted from four to six days (less probable hypothesis), 
on 31 May, four or five convoys arrived, and they had departed on the 26th, 
27th or 28th; so the number of the deportees calculates to 12,908 (36) (four 
convoys) or 16,135 (37) (five convoys).

As to the 29th, 30th, and 31st of May, a total of eleven convoys had left 
Hungary; three on one day, and four on the other two days. With the 
hypothesis that the duration of the journey has been one or three days, if 
on 31 May, three convoys arrived (9,051 deportees); on 30 May, four arrived 
(12,908 deportees), and vice-versa. In the hypothesis that the journey 
lasted more than three days, the number of deportee arrivals on 30 May and 
on 31 May would be much bigger.

In conclusion, either on 30 May approximately 12,900 deportees arrived and 
on 31 May approximately 9,050 arrived; or on 30 May approximately 9,050 
deportees arrived and on 31 May approximately 12,900 arrived.

b) After clearing this point, we go to Pressac's second presupposition. He 
states that the two aerial photographs of 31 May 1944 were taken at around 9 
to 10 A.M., which is very probable because the shadows of the chimneys of 
the crematories face North-West with a 315 degree angle. Also the presence 
of seven cars on the Birkenau ramp is an exact observation (but on the old 
ramp there are at least eight trains, and nine or ten trains in the 
Auschwitz station). But all this does not rule out that the convoys had 
arrived during the night or early in the morning, and that they had already 
left. Let's remember that according to Lieutenant Colonel Ferenczy, the 
convoys will continue their journey just after assignment selection at the 
Birkenau ramp.

That problem is nevertheless not essential. The really serious problems are 
the following: 

1) How would it have been technically possible to homicidally gas and 
cremate 122,700 people in not more than fifteen days in facilities that 
could have cremated no more than a maximum of (1,400 * 15 =) 21,000 
cadavers?

2) How could it have been technically possible to homicidally gas and 
cremate no less than (9,050 * 2/3 =) 6,000 people on about the 30th of May 
1944 with facilities which in one day could just cremate a maximum of 1,400 
cadavers?

3) Why in the aerial photographs of 31 May 1944, is there no trace of 
cremation of the remaining (6,000 - 1,400 =) 4,600 cadavers?

4) If the story of extermination were true, the Birkenau facilities should 
have had a cremation capacity not less than 10,000 cadavers per day 
(two-thirds of the deportees arrived at Auschwitz with convoys which had 
left Hungary on 26, 27, and 28 May, 1944). So in the aerial photographs of 
31 May, the alleged "cremation pits" ought to be visible, with an area of 
approximately 2,800 square meters (calculated according to the declaration 
by Filip Mller). But there is no trace of them at all!

The small column of smoke rising from the courtyard near Crematory V which 
appears in the aerial photographs of May 31, 1944 is consistent with outside 
trash incineration in an open-air container where lower level combustion air 
is able to enter; we know of no aerial photographic evidence of pit 
incineration, where burning would have been very slow because of poor air 
circulation.

And this brings us to Jean-Claude Pressac's last presupposition: the 
presence, in those photographs, of three "cremation pits" measuring 3.5  15 
meters, and of one such pit in which a cremation is taking place. Where did 
Pressac see these? We wait with confidence that he publish these two 
pictures. But why did he not present them in his book Le macchine dello 
sterminio? And with the exact indication of:
 three "cremation pits" of 52.5 square meters each;
 approximately 100 cubic meters of soil extracted from pits and piled up 
next to each pit on an area at least equal to that of these alleged pits;
 250 to 500 tons of wood piled up as cadaver cremation fuel for the 
cremation of the cadavers of the alleged homicidally gassed from 31 May; 
piles equal to approximately 550 to 1,100 cubic meters, and of an area 
approximately 220 to 440 square meters (assuming the height of a pile of 2.5 
meters);
 the exact location of a "cremation pit" with smoke;
 the exact location of where there is a "cremation pit" of 30 square 
meters, and another one of 20 square meters in the area of Bunker 2.
It is clear that we are challenging Jean-Claude Pressac.

This article appears on the CODOH website:-
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Also by Carlo Mattogno:

                    AUSCHWITZ:The End of a Legend 
available from      the Institute of Historical Review, 
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Mar  8 06:37:35 PST 1996
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From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" 
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Subject: AUSCHWITZ COMMANDER LEARNT ENGLISH IN TWO WEEKS!
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Auschwitz commander, Hoess said in a statement that 7000 SS 
men had served at Auschwitz. [most were sent to the front] and he had 
to have this translated into German. He signed his name correctly with 
those funny German characters, the o with the two vertical lines above 
it and the double s. [eg Ho"B] 
[Document 749(b)-D IMT XXXV.] 



However he understood fluent English, ["I understand English as it 
written above"] when he confessed to having killed 3,000,000 people at 
Auschwitz of the 4 million that were sent there, in his statement 15 
days later, on the 5th of April 1946. 
[document 3868-PS. IMT XXXIII] 


Hoess MUST have learnt fluent English in 15 days. It's possible. 


However his estimate, was a bit out.

Still, he "revised" it later, down to 1,135,000 people.

Pity that the Auschwitz Museum says that slightly over a million people 
were sent there. 

But learning English has it's drawbacks. Ho"B forgot his German. 
He mispelt his own name on every page of his confession. 


[Still who cares about the german funny o or double s] 





Read MADE IN RUSSIA - THE HOLOCAUST by Carlos Whitlock Porter

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13. In the courtroom were Polish, Jugoslav and Jewish prisoners as 
spectators,  who served as an information bureau, that is , during the court 
recesses they told their comrades, who were waiting for their interrogation 
everything that had been discussed during the course of the trial. On the 
basis of this information the latter were then able to  reinforce the 
accusations and bring to naught the exoneration, which was scanty enough 
anyway.
For this reason it was also possible to always bring out the same points in 
the accusations.

14. The questionaires  we had filled out were handed to the persecution 
witnesses by the prosecutor or by his interpreter. In this way each exact 
date could be looked up in order to incriminate the accused without having 
to fear a false statement was being made. In spite of this, it happened that 
they contradicted themselves in cross-examination. However, because the 
witnesses were under the  protection of the American court, they had nothing 
to fear from perjury, which they committed repeatedly.


15. We,  as accused, had no right to give our opinion. At the beginning of 
the trial the defense lawyer told us we had to keep quite still and the 
questions we wanted to have put to the witnesses we were to write on paper 
and give to his interpreter, Mr. BARR. I did not understand most of the 
trial, since I am a Lithuanian and only know a little German. I had to find 
out during the court recesses, from my comrades, of what I was accused. 

17. [sic] There was no final argument by the defense  lawyer. I was 
sentenced to death on 21 August 1947. The sentence was approved on 26th June 
1948. 


Landsberg/Lech, 1O September 1948  /s/ Gustav Perat.







Perats statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by 
Joseph Halow.]

INNOCENT AT DACHAU is available from:-

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Subject: 4) ARTICLE BY CARLO MATTOGNO part -4
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THE STATISTICS BY JEAN-CLAUDE PRESSAC 

In Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Jean-Claude 
Pressac mentions 938,000 victims cremated in the Auschwitz-Birkenau 
installations, distributed as we presented on page 28 in our critique, 
Auschwitz: The End of a Legend. But in the Preface of Beate and Serge 
Klarsfeld to the former work, they summed up the results of the article by 
Georges Wellers previously cited, Essai de dtermination du nombre de morts 
au camp d'Auschwitz, which we summarize in the following table:

Total number of deportees 1,613,455..........of whom 1,433,405....[were] 
Jews

Total dead 1,471,595..........of whom 1,352,980....[were] Jews

Total gassed 1,334,700..........of whom 1,323,000....[were] Jews. (38)

Pressac proposes the numbers 938,000 or 900,000 (39) without any 
explanation. The only sure thing is that while for G. Wellers the Hungarian 
Jews who were homicidally gassed numbered approximately 410,000, for Pressac 
they are 200,000 to 250,000. (40) As a consequence of this, the number of 
Jews who were gassed ought to be lowered to 1,113,000. So just what is the 
basis for Pressac's calculations?

In Les crematoires d'Auschwitz (p.148), Pressac proposes a new statistic on 
the basis of research by Franciszek Piper, (41) but with a "correction" 
relative to the number of Polish Jews deported to Auschwitz.

F. Piper states that the total of Jews deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau was 
1,095,190, (42) of whom, approximately 205,000 were registered and the 
remaining 890,000 were unregistered. (43) The number of Jews killed was a 
total of 960,000 of whom 95,000 were registered and 865,000 unregistered. 
(44)

Pressac starts with the total of deported Jews, who he rounds off to 
1,095,200 and reduces from 300,000 to 150,000 the number of Jews deported 
>from  Poland. Besides that, he assumes that 118,000 Hungarian Jews were 
transferred from Auschwitz Birkenau. In such a way, he has 827,200 deportees 
>from  whom he subtracts the registered 200,000, (45) reaching a final count 
of 630,000 homicidally gassed (p.148).

He sums up the total of the victims in the following table (p.148):

Non-registered gassed Jews............................630,000
Registered detainees who died........................130,000 
(Jews and non-Jews)
Soviet Prisoners of War.....................................15,000
Total...................................................................775,
000 

The reason for the reduction of the number of Jews deported out of Poland 
>from  300,000 to 150,000 presented by Pressac has not any historical 
foundation, but a technical one: He states that the number of the gassed 
indicated in the Auschwitz Kalendarium in the first six days of August 1943 
(convoys from Bendsburg and Sosnowitz), an average of 4,000 per day, is 
excessive because at that time only Crematories III and V were functioning 
with an incinerating capacity of 1,500 cadavers per day; so the number of 
Jews for each convoy has been " mal estim " (estimated incorrectly) by the 
witnesses. But on the contrary, it has been doubled because the percentage 
of the registered deportees was 30% to 35% of the approximately 50,000 
registered Polish Jews, corresponding to approximately 150,000 deportees 
"soit une centaine de convois de 1.500 personnes" (that is approximately one 
hundred convoys containing 1,500 people) (p.147).

According to the Auschwitz Kalendarium, during the first six days of August 
1943, from Bendsburg and Sosnowitz, 28,000 Jews were deported to Auschwitz 
(approximately 5,800 of whom were registered, and 22,200 homicidally gassed) 
in 12 convoys; an approximate average of 2,300 people per convoy. This 
number represents approximately 9% of the total number of Polish Jews 
deported to Auschwitz according to F. Piper (300,000). So Pressac 
erroneously attributes to the remaining 91%, the presumed exaggeration of 
the number of Jews present in each convoy which would be valid only for 9%. 
We also take note that in Pressac's calculation, the number of alleged 
homicidally gassed Hungarian Jews, which in Auschwitz: Technique and 
Operation of the Gas Chambers was 200,000 to 250,000, now becomes 320,000.

In Le macchine dello sterminio (p.173), Pressac reduces even more the number 
of deportees and deceased. He starts out also in this regard with the number 
of deportees indicated by F. Piper (1,095,190 or 1,095,200), from which he 
subtracts incorrectly 150,000 deportees from Poland, just as in the previous 
case; but he also reduces from 438,000 to 240,000, the number of Hungarian 
Jews deported to Auschwitz; thereby obtaining 667,200 to 747,200 deportees:

1,095,200 - 150,000 - (438,000 - 160,000) = 667,200;
1,095,200 - 150,000 - (438,000 - 240,000) = 747,200.

Jean-Claude Pressac rounds out these figures to 670,000 and 750,000, 
subtracting the 200,000 registered from them, he obtains 470,000 to 550,000 
homicidally gassed Jews. He puts the total death count as follows: 

Non-registered Jews who were gassed...........470,000 to 550,000
Deceased registered Detainees.......................126,000 - 
(Jews and non-Jews) 
Soviet Prisoners of War.....................................15,000 - 
Miscellaneous (Gypsies etc.)............................20,000 - 
Total 
..................................................................631,000 to 
711,000 

In the calculation of the total death count, Pressac does not take into 
consideration Jewish detainees who were transferred to other concentration 
camps. The Hungarian Jews transferred from the Durchgangslager must be 
included in this category.

As we have seen, Pressac estimates that at least 80,000 Hungarian Jews 
escaped homicidal gassing; 28,000 of those registered at Auschwitz, and 
52,000 who were not registered and were transferred to other camps. Those 
must be subtracted from the 670,000 to 750,000 alleged homicidally gassed 
who were unregistered. So the Pressac number of alleged homicidally gassed 
Jews would be between 418,000 to 498,000.

We also take note that Pressac has also changed once again the number of 
alleged homicidally gassed Hungarian Jews, now putting it at 80,000 to 
160,000.

Before presenting our conclusion, we summarize in a synoptic table, 
Jean-Claude Pressac regarding Jews he alleges were homicidally "gassed" at 
Auschwitz:

Year 1989: 938,000
-of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 
- of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 
- of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!

Our study, Auschwitz: The End of a Legend concludes with the observation 
that since Jean-Claude Pressac wanted to study the question of Auschwitz in 
a technical manner, he
had to accept revisionist methodology, according to which, where testimony 
and technology disagree, it is technology which prevails. Pressac has 
applied this principle by reducing the number of alleged victims of alleged 
homicidal gassing, precisely because of its incompatibility with the 
capacity (craftily inflated by him) of the crematory ovens. In this manner, 
he has opened an irreparable leak in traditional historiography, because 
technology reveals the material impossibility of mass extermination at 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. If therefore, Pressac wants to be coherent in his 
technical stance, all that remains for him is to accept this conclusion. If 
he does not accept it, he can only go backwards, declaring, in acceptance of 
that appeal of those French historians, that one must not inquire as to how 
such alleged mass extermination was technically possible (p.90).
In Le macchine dello sterminio, Jean-Claude Pressac has gone one step 
further towards this conclusion. Pressac has understood that extermination 
of the Hungarian Jews would have also been technically impossible on the 
basis of the huge cremation capacity that he attributed to the Birkenau 
facilities; but he did not want to draw the extreme consequences from such 
an acknowledgment.

To pull himself out of trouble, he had only two ways out: either increase 
cremation capacity, or diminish the number of deportees. Pressac chose the 
second option.

The drastic reduction of deported Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz has become 
such a tactical requirement for Jean-Claude Pressac, which cannot be set 
aside; an unrenouncable way out; an illusory game by which he would make the 
impossible possible. 

Because Pressac's "revision" has no historical foundation, but is merely 
tactical, his statistics-the instruments for his illusory game-are 
inevitably arbitrary and unfounded.

>From  a strictly historiographical point of view, Jean-Claude Pressac seems 
to be torn between two contradictory necessities: one being the technical, 
which rationally pushes him to negation of extermination of the Jews at 
Auschwitz, and the other being the dogmatic one about the holocaustic 
religion, which fiercely opposes such denial. 

It is difficult to predict which one of these two necessities will prevail 
in the end, but Pressac's continual "revisions" gives us good hope.

One thing is certain: If Jean-Claude Pressac wants to go on - even by small 
steps - through the technical way in which he started, we could expect at 
least more reductions in the numbers of homicidally "gassed" people at 
Auschwitz.

NOTES 

1. The study Auschwitz: Fine di una leggenda was written in October of 1993 
and Pressac received a copy of the text from the author by the end of 
February 1994.
2. J.C. Pressac, Le macchine dello sterminio. Auschwitz 1942-1945. 
Feltrinelli, Milano, October 1994.
3. Printing error: read 438,000.
4. Report of 9 July 1944, T-1322.
5. Typographical error [from Pressac]; read 438,000.
6. Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz-Birkenau, 
published in: Hefte von Auschwitz, Wydawnictwo Pa_stwowego Muzeum w 
O_wi_cimiu, Hefte 2, 1959; 3, 1960; 4, 1961; 6, 1962; 7 and 8, 1964.
7. See the complete list of the convoys in our study, Wellers e i "gasati" 
di Auschwitz, Edizioni La Sfinge, Parma, March, 1987, pp. 51-54.
8. Hefte von Auschwitz, 7, p. 91 ff.
9. Le Monde Juif, October-December 1983, Nr. 112, pp. 127-159.
10. This figure is mentioned in the telegram from E. Veesenmayer dated 11 
July 1944, NG-5615.
11. G. Wellers, Essai de dtermination..., art. cit., pp. 147, 153.
12. Le procs de Jrusalem. Jugement-Documents. Introduction de Lon 
Poliakov. Calman-Lvy, Paris 1963, p. 199.
13. Wellers e i "gasati" di Auschwitz, op. cit., pp.18-20, 37, 39.
14. Danuta Czech, Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager 
Auschwitz-Birkenau 1939-1945. Rowohlt Verlag, Reinbeck bei Hamburg, 1989.
15. Idem., p.699.
16. Idem., pp.777 ff.
17. Wellers e i "gasati" di Auschwitz is one of our five studies which are 
cited by J.C. Pressac in the bibliography which appears on page 564 of his 
book, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, published by 
The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1989.
18. The report by E. von Thadden of 26 May 1944 [NG-2190] states that 
one-third of the deported Jews from Hungary were able to work (see below). 
Pressac has erected this into a "rule" which he observed in relation to 
116,000 deportees.
19. NG-5573.
20. NG-2190, p.2.
21. Idem., pp.4-5. 
22. T-1319 (text in Hungarian).
23. Printing mistakes: Read 30 May; also the three citations after 21 May 
are wrong: the correct date is 31 May.
24. The question of cremation capacity of the crematory ovens at 
Auschwitz-Birkenau is presented in our articleDie Krematoriumsfen von 
Auschwitz-Birkenau, in the anthology entitled Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte, 
edited by Ernst Gaus, and published in 1994 by the Grabert Verlag, 
Tuebingen, Germany, 1994, pp. 281-320.
25. The absurdities expressed in this regard by this " eye-witness" have 
been analyzed and disproved in the cited essay Die Krematoriumsfen von 
Auschwitz-Birkenau, op. cit., pp. 317-318.
26. Filip Mller, Sonderbehandlung. Drei Jahre in den Krematorien und 
Gaskammern von Auschwitz. Verlag Steinhausen, Mnchen, 1979, pp. 207, 211. 
of these alleged five crematory pits (total approximate area: 1,800 square 
meters) in the Allied reconnaissance photographs taken on 31 May 1944, as 
Pressac reduces these alleged pits from five, down to three, and the area 
>from  1,800 down to 157.5 square meters.
27. Filip Mller declares that in a 40 or 50 meter by 8 meter pit, averaging 
360 square meters in area, they cremated 1,200 cadavers in three layers 
placed one upon another, alternating three layers of wood. 
[Sonderbehandlung, op. cit., p.219]. The calculation would therefore be 
this: [(1,200 360)  157.5] = 525.
28. Miklos Nyiszli, Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, Fawcett Crest, 
New York, 1961, pp. 70, 71.
29. T-1319.
30. According to the Auschwitz Kalendarium (1989), the first three convoys 
would have arrived at Auschwitz on 16 May, and all the deportees would have 
been homicidally gassed [op. cit., p.776]. This piece of information, based 
exclusively on declarations given after the war, is completely 
untrustworthy: the duration of the journeyonly one dayis too short, and 
the complete lack of anyone at all who could work, is too unlikely among 
three convoys sent to Auschwitz in order to be selected for labor.
31. NG-5608
32. T-1319
33. NG-5623
34. 33,187 * 11 = 3,017 persons per each convoy. 3,017  3 = 9,051 persons.
35. 3,017 * 4 = 12,068 persons.
36. 45,179 / 14 = 3,227 deportees per each train; 3,227  4 = 12,908
37. 3,227 * 5 = 16,135
38. J.C. Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 
op. cit., p. 13.
39. Idem. p.97.
40. Idem. p. 253.
41. Franciszek Piper, Estimating the Number of Deportees to and Victims of 
the Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp. Yad Vashem Studies, XXI (Jerusalem 1991, 
pp.49-103); Auschwitz, Wie viele Juden, Polen, Zigeuner...wurden umgebracht. 
Krakow, Universitas, 1992.
42. Franciszek Piper, Estimating the Number of Deportees to and Victims of 
the Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp, art. cit., p.99.
43. Idem., S.97.
44. Idem., S.98.
45. F. Piper puts the count at 200,000 to 205,000

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9. On 15th July 1947 I recieved a general charge sheet and was transferred 
with my co-accused to the Bunker I, camp Dachau.
It was impossible for me to procure any exonerating material there. One was 
cut off from the outside world. 
Letters to relatives or acquaintances in which something was said about 
witnesses or the approaching trial were so cut up that the receiver received 
only scraps from which he could glean nothing. For that reason it was made 
impossible for me to procure any defense material. Requests for special 
letters to witnesses or prior reports to the defense lawyer were fruitless.
Already in little things they were making the procuring of exonerating 
material impossible. Also the time before the beginning of the trial was far 
too short to obtain any material.

10. On 6 August 1947 the trial began, and lasted until 21 August.

11. The prosecution witnesses had every support of the prosecuting 
authorities. When they were shown to be lying, up jumped the prosecutor, Mr. 
Lindberg, and accused the defense lawyer of intimidating the witnesses and 
trying to make out that they were liars.
 
12. In reality, the opposite was the truth. Defense witnesses were 
intimidated by the braying of the prosecutor or were branded as false. It 
 happened that defense witnesses were threatened and beaten by foreign 
former prisoners so that the former had no more interest in appearing for 
the defense. They were afraid that they too would be accused of something, 
which the foreign prisoners were quite capable of, as they hated everything 
German and were out for revenge.
 

Perats statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by 
Joseph Halow.]

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Petrat's post-conviction plea was in the case file, a forlorn voice from the 
grave which I read with pangs of sorrow. His statement had been prepared in 
German had been submitted to the Military Governor of the US Zone of 
Occupation in English translation. Since no more than a handful of Americans 
have seen this or any other  German "war criminal's" side of the story, I 
reproduce it in its entirety, as follows:

I, Gustav PETRAT, born 12 November 1924 in Wirballen/Litauen [Lithuania], 
presently in Landsberg/Lech, make the following sworn statement after I have 
been informed that this statement is to be submitted to the Military 
Governor of the US Zone and that an false statement may be severely 
punished.

l. In May 1944, on account of my wound, I was transferred to the guard 
personnel of the Mauthausen concentration camp and served there as dog 
leader with the 16th Guard Company. My rank was Corporal (Rottenfuehrer) in 
the Armed (Waffen) SS.

2. On 10 May 1945, I was taken prisoner by American  soldiers in Reid near 
Mauthausen and taken to the Tittling camp. When I got there I was mistreated 
with whips, fists and feet, as was the general custom at that time for newly 
arrived prisoners.

3. Like many others I was quartered in a potato patch in the open air, so 
that we all were exposed to the weather.
The first three days we received nothing to eat, and from the fourth day on 
they gave us one loaf of bread for every 20 prisoners and 1 litre of soup 
for every two men. Under these conditions I lived for some weeks until I was 
totally undernourished, so that it was hardly possible for me to move from 
the spot.

4. On 26 May 1945 I had my first interrogation there, which was one of the 
most memorable of my entire captivity. Even before they asked me the first 
Question, they struck me so that I collapsed. After I had managed to stagger 
upright again in spite of my weak condition and aided by the necessary kicks 
>from  the interrogator, the real interrogation began. They asked me questions 
that I could not have answered if I had the best will in the world to do so. 
I was to state where the leader of the Mauthausen Concentration Camp was. It 
was impossible for me to give the information, since I really didn't know, 
and, as a little corporal I couldn't know. My reply loosed a hail of blows. 
The second question concerned myself. They asked me how many prisoners I had 
shot and beaten, to which I replied truthfully and with a clean conscience, 
"Not one."
Then the interrogator drew a pistol and threatened to kill me if I did not 
tell the truth, immediately. He meant, however, that I should be hanged. I 
told him again that I only spoke the truth and he could kill me if he wanted 
to, that at least I would be freed from the whole mess. Then more blows, and 
with a push in the small of the back I fled [sic].

5. On 9 May 1945 I was taken to the Moosburg internment camp with about 80 
other prisoners. On 7 September 1945 I had my second interrogation, in 
Moosburg, at which they asked me the same questions they asked in the 
Tittling camp. There too, I received blows from a whip. This consisted of a 
wooden handle about 30 cm  long to which leather straps had been fastened. 
Since I had to answer the questions in the negative, they told me that there 
were other ways and means to force me to tell the truth. Then the 
interrogator left the room for a few minutes, and returned with a second 
interrogator. Since I had to reply to this man's questions in the negative 
also, because I did not know of any killing, he struck me with his fists and 
threatened to "hang" and "shoot" me. After I stuck to my guns, I was taken 
back to my quarters.
On 10 February 1946 I was transferred to the Dachau internment camp.

6. There I was interrogated two times At the interrogation on 21 June 1946 
they read statements to me that said that I had shot eight prisoners in the 
Mauthausen concentration camp. I was to sign this, but I vigorously refused 
because I never shot a prisoner After repeated requests to sign, I was 
struck with fists and kicked with feet. They put a paper in front of me to 
sign in which it said that l had never been beaten by American interrogators 
and soldiers. I refused, and only after repeated blows, with the threat that 
I would never leave the room alive until I had signed, and that they would 
know how to break me down my obstinacy, did I put my name to it. I had never 
had anything to do with the court in my life and I was afraid that they 
would make my life even more difficult.

7. In  January 1947 the so-called "line-ups" commenced  in Dachau Special 
Camp. I was confronted with prisoners three  times, yet not one accused me 
of the least thing. The man in charge of the line-up, Mr. ENTRESS, told the 
prisoners that I was said to have shot many and beaten them to death, where 
at only a burst of laugher arose. At that time I was 22 years old. When I 
was 19.5  I came to Mauthausen as 
dog-leader. A former prominent prisoner, Dr. SANNER, asserted he did not 
know me, but if a dog-leader had beaten prisoners to death or shot them that 
would certainly have become known in the camp. Many other former long-term 
prisoners  joined in this exonerating testimony

8. At mid-July 1947 I and my seven co-accused were presented for the first 
time to our official defence lawyer, Major William A.OATES. To his question 
whether I knew what I was accused of, and by whom, I could only reply that I 
was not conscious of any guilt and also had never counted on being brought  
to trial, since I had never mistreated or killed anyone.
Major OATES  told me that he too, knew nothing, that he could not get a 
glimpse of the incriminating papers of the prosecution, and therefore he 
would have to go by my statements, the general charge sheet, and the 
testimony of the prosecution witnesses at the trial.
Since only the prosecution had access to the records, my lawyer did not see 
them, and so naturally it was very difficult for him to prepare a defence. 
Major OATES promised to do everything he could. Also I gave him the names of 
the witnesses who were important for me, and who themselves were interned in 
Dacha.


Perats statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by 
Joseph Halow.]

INNOCENT AT DACHAU is available from:-

The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.

-- 
Jeff
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