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Subject: FINAL SOLUTION POSTPONED UNTIL AFTER WAR
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Did you find "any orders for the extermination of Jews" in the archives 
of any country? asked Christie [defence counsel for Zundel].

"None whatsoever," said [David] Irving. And the British were reading 
the code signals of the SS.

What about Himmler, Heydrich, Frank, and other top Nazis? asked 
Christie.

"There are no explicit orders," said Irving, "and this is where the 
academic historians start asking us to read between the lines and find 
fancy translations for certain words and I wouldn't go along with those 
methods. I want in a crime as big as this to find explicit evidence.

What one does find, said Irving, is documents pointing in the other 
direction. For example, in the spring of 1942, Hans Lammers, who was 
something like the German Prime Minister telephoned the Secretary of 
State of the German Ministry of Justice, who made a note of their 
conversation. Lammers said that Hitler had repeatedly said that he 
wanted the solution of the Jewish problem postponed until after the
war. This document, said Irving, "was concealed at Nuremberg", and 
resurfaced only recently. It "takes some explaining, and this is the 
kind of document which embarrasses the [academic] historians."  
   


The testimony of DAVID IRVING, a EXPERT witness at the Zundel trial.

[Page 406 From the The Holocaust on Trial, The case of Ernst Zundel 
by Robert Lenski.]

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Subject: FRAMED - 2) THE CASE OF GUSTAV PETRAT
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9. On 15th July 1947 I recieved a general charge sheet and was transferred 
with my co-accused to the Bunker I, camp Dachau.
It was impossible for me to procure any exonerating material there. One was 
cut off from the outside world. 
Letters to relatives or acquaintances in which something was said about 
witnesses or the approaching trial were so cut up that the receiver received 
only scraps from which he could glean nothing. For that reason it was made 
impossible for me to procure any defense material. Requests for special 
letters to witnesses or prior reports to the defense lawyer were fruitless.
Already in little things they were making the procuring of exonerating 
material impossible. Also the time before the beginning of the trial was far 
too short to obtain any material.

10. On 6 August 1947 the trial began, and lasted until 21 August.

11. The prosecution witnesses had every support of the prosecuting 
authorities. When they were shown to be lying, up jumped the prosecutor, Mr. 
Lindberg, and accused the defense lawyer of intimidating the witnesses and 
trying to make out that they were liars.
 
12. In reality, the opposite was the truth. Defense witnesses were 
intimidated by the braying of the prosecutor or were branded as false. It 
 happened that defense witnesses were threatened and beaten by foreign 
former prisoners so that the former had no more interest in appearing for 
the defense. They were afraid that they too would be accused of something, 
which the foreign prisoners were quite capable of, as they hated everything 
German and were out for revenge.
 

Perats statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by 
Joseph Halow.]

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THE STATISTICS BY JEAN-CLAUDE PRESSAC 

In Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Jean-Claude 
Pressac mentions 938,000 victims cremated in the Auschwitz-Birkenau 
installations, distributed as we presented on page 28 in our critique, 
Auschwitz: The End of a Legend. But in the Preface of Beate and Serge 
Klarsfeld to the former work, they summed up the results of the article by 
Georges Wellers previously cited, Essai de dtermination du nombre de morts 
au camp d'Auschwitz, which we summarize in the following table:

Total number of deportees 1,613,455..........of whom 1,433,405....[were] 
Jews

Total dead 1,471,595..........of whom 1,352,980....[were] Jews

Total gassed 1,334,700..........of whom 1,323,000....[were] Jews. (38)

Pressac proposes the numbers 938,000 or 900,000 (39) without any 
explanation. The only sure thing is that while for G. Wellers the Hungarian 
Jews who were homicidally gassed numbered approximately 410,000, for Pressac 
they are 200,000 to 250,000. (40) As a consequence of this, the number of 
Jews who were gassed ought to be lowered to 1,113,000. So just what is the 
basis for Pressac's calculations?

In Les crematoires d'Auschwitz (p.148), Pressac proposes a new statistic on 
the basis of research by Franciszek Piper, (41) but with a "correction" 
relative to the number of Polish Jews deported to Auschwitz.

F. Piper states that the total of Jews deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau was 
1,095,190, (42) of whom, approximately 205,000 were registered and the 
remaining 890,000 were unregistered. (43) The number of Jews killed was a 
total of 960,000 of whom 95,000 were registered and 865,000 unregistered. 
(44)

Pressac starts with the total of deported Jews, who he rounds off to 
1,095,200 and reduces from 300,000 to 150,000 the number of Jews deported 
>from  Poland. Besides that, he assumes that 118,000 Hungarian Jews were 
transferred from Auschwitz Birkenau. In such a way, he has 827,200 deportees 
>from  whom he subtracts the registered 200,000, (45) reaching a final count 
of 630,000 homicidally gassed (p.148).

He sums up the total of the victims in the following table (p.148):

Non-registered gassed Jews............................630,000
Registered detainees who died........................130,000 
(Jews and non-Jews)
Soviet Prisoners of War.....................................15,000
Total...................................................................775,
000 

The reason for the reduction of the number of Jews deported out of Poland 
>from  300,000 to 150,000 presented by Pressac has not any historical 
foundation, but a technical one: He states that the number of the gassed 
indicated in the Auschwitz Kalendarium in the first six days of August 1943 
(convoys from Bendsburg and Sosnowitz), an average of 4,000 per day, is 
excessive because at that time only Crematories III and V were functioning 
with an incinerating capacity of 1,500 cadavers per day; so the number of 
Jews for each convoy has been " mal estim " (estimated incorrectly) by the 
witnesses. But on the contrary, it has been doubled because the percentage 
of the registered deportees was 30% to 35% of the approximately 50,000 
registered Polish Jews, corresponding to approximately 150,000 deportees 
"soit une centaine de convois de 1.500 personnes" (that is approximately one 
hundred convoys containing 1,500 people) (p.147).

According to the Auschwitz Kalendarium, during the first six days of August 
1943, from Bendsburg and Sosnowitz, 28,000 Jews were deported to Auschwitz 
(approximately 5,800 of whom were registered, and 22,200 homicidally gassed) 
in 12 convoys; an approximate average of 2,300 people per convoy. This 
number represents approximately 9% of the total number of Polish Jews 
deported to Auschwitz according to F. Piper (300,000). So Pressac 
erroneously attributes to the remaining 91%, the presumed exaggeration of 
the number of Jews present in each convoy which would be valid only for 9%. 
We also take note that in Pressac's calculation, the number of alleged 
homicidally gassed Hungarian Jews, which in Auschwitz: Technique and 
Operation of the Gas Chambers was 200,000 to 250,000, now becomes 320,000.

In Le macchine dello sterminio (p.173), Pressac reduces even more the number 
of deportees and deceased. He starts out also in this regard with the number 
of deportees indicated by F. Piper (1,095,190 or 1,095,200), from which he 
subtracts incorrectly 150,000 deportees from Poland, just as in the previous 
case; but he also reduces from 438,000 to 240,000, the number of Hungarian 
Jews deported to Auschwitz; thereby obtaining 667,200 to 747,200 deportees:

1,095,200 - 150,000 - (438,000 - 160,000) = 667,200;
1,095,200 - 150,000 - (438,000 - 240,000) = 747,200.

Jean-Claude Pressac rounds out these figures to 670,000 and 750,000, 
subtracting the 200,000 registered from them, he obtains 470,000 to 550,000 
homicidally gassed Jews. He puts the total death count as follows: 

Non-registered Jews who were gassed...........470,000 to 550,000
Deceased registered Detainees.......................126,000 - 
(Jews and non-Jews) 
Soviet Prisoners of War.....................................15,000 - 
Miscellaneous (Gypsies etc.)............................20,000 - 
Total 
..................................................................631,000 to 
711,000 

In the calculation of the total death count, Pressac does not take into 
consideration Jewish detainees who were transferred to other concentration 
camps. The Hungarian Jews transferred from the Durchgangslager must be 
included in this category.

As we have seen, Pressac estimates that at least 80,000 Hungarian Jews 
escaped homicidal gassing; 28,000 of those registered at Auschwitz, and 
52,000 who were not registered and were transferred to other camps. Those 
must be subtracted from the 670,000 to 750,000 alleged homicidally gassed 
who were unregistered. So the Pressac number of alleged homicidally gassed 
Jews would be between 418,000 to 498,000.

We also take note that Pressac has also changed once again the number of 
alleged homicidally gassed Hungarian Jews, now putting it at 80,000 to 
160,000.

Before presenting our conclusion, we summarize in a synoptic table, 
Jean-Claude Pressac regarding Jews he alleges were homicidally "gassed" at 
Auschwitz:

Year 1989: 938,000
-of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 
- of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 
- of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!

Our study, Auschwitz: The End of a Legend concludes with the observation 
that since Jean-Claude Pressac wanted to study the question of Auschwitz in 
a technical manner, he
had to accept revisionist methodology, according to which, where testimony 
and technology disagree, it is technology which prevails. Pressac has 
applied this principle by reducing the number of alleged victims of alleged 
homicidal gassing, precisely because of its incompatibility with the 
capacity (craftily inflated by him) of the crematory ovens. In this manner, 
he has opened an irreparable leak in traditional historiography, because 
technology reveals the material impossibility of mass extermination at 
Auschwitz-Birkenau. If therefore, Pressac wants to be coherent in his 
technical stance, all that remains for him is to accept this conclusion. If 
he does not accept it, he can only go backwards, declaring, in acceptance of 
that appeal of those French historians, that one must not inquire as to how 
such alleged mass extermination was technically possible (p.90).
In Le macchine dello sterminio, Jean-Claude Pressac has gone one step 
further towards this conclusion. Pressac has understood that extermination 
of the Hungarian Jews would have also been technically impossible on the 
basis of the huge cremation capacity that he attributed to the Birkenau 
facilities; but he did not want to draw the extreme consequences from such 
an acknowledgment.

To pull himself out of trouble, he had only two ways out: either increase 
cremation capacity, or diminish the number of deportees. Pressac chose the 
second option.

The drastic reduction of deported Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz has become 
such a tactical requirement for Jean-Claude Pressac, which cannot be set 
aside; an unrenouncable way out; an illusory game by which he would make the 
impossible possible. 

Because Pressac's "revision" has no historical foundation, but is merely 
tactical, his statistics-the instruments for his illusory game-are 
inevitably arbitrary and unfounded.

>From  a strictly historiographical point of view, Jean-Claude Pressac seems 
to be torn between two contradictory necessities: one being the technical, 
which rationally pushes him to negation of extermination of the Jews at 
Auschwitz, and the other being the dogmatic one about the holocaustic 
religion, which fiercely opposes such denial. 

It is difficult to predict which one of these two necessities will prevail 
in the end, but Pressac's continual "revisions" gives us good hope.

One thing is certain: If Jean-Claude Pressac wants to go on - even by small 
steps - through the technical way in which he started, we could expect at 
least more reductions in the numbers of homicidally "gassed" people at 
Auschwitz.

NOTES 

1. The study Auschwitz: Fine di una leggenda was written in October of 1993 
and Pressac received a copy of the text from the author by the end of 
February 1994.
2. J.C. Pressac, Le macchine dello sterminio. Auschwitz 1942-1945. 
Feltrinelli, Milano, October 1994.
3. Printing error: read 438,000.
4. Report of 9 July 1944, T-1322.
5. Typographical error [from Pressac]; read 438,000.
6. Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz-Birkenau, 
published in: Hefte von Auschwitz, Wydawnictwo Pa_stwowego Muzeum w 
O_wi_cimiu, Hefte 2, 1959; 3, 1960; 4, 1961; 6, 1962; 7 and 8, 1964.
7. See the complete list of the convoys in our study, Wellers e i "gasati" 
di Auschwitz, Edizioni La Sfinge, Parma, March, 1987, pp. 51-54.
8. Hefte von Auschwitz, 7, p. 91 ff.
9. Le Monde Juif, October-December 1983, Nr. 112, pp. 127-159.
10. This figure is mentioned in the telegram from E. Veesenmayer dated 11 
July 1944, NG-5615.
11. G. Wellers, Essai de dtermination..., art. cit., pp. 147, 153.
12. Le procs de Jrusalem. Jugement-Documents. Introduction de Lon 
Poliakov. Calman-Lvy, Paris 1963, p. 199.
13. Wellers e i "gasati" di Auschwitz, op. cit., pp.18-20, 37, 39.
14. Danuta Czech, Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager 
Auschwitz-Birkenau 1939-1945. Rowohlt Verlag, Reinbeck bei Hamburg, 1989.
15. Idem., p.699.
16. Idem., pp.777 ff.
17. Wellers e i "gasati" di Auschwitz is one of our five studies which are 
cited by J.C. Pressac in the bibliography which appears on page 564 of his 
book, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, published by 
The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1989.
18. The report by E. von Thadden of 26 May 1944 [NG-2190] states that 
one-third of the deported Jews from Hungary were able to work (see below). 
Pressac has erected this into a "rule" which he observed in relation to 
116,000 deportees.
19. NG-5573.
20. NG-2190, p.2.
21. Idem., pp.4-5. 
22. T-1319 (text in Hungarian).
23. Printing mistakes: Read 30 May; also the three citations after 21 May 
are wrong: the correct date is 31 May.
24. The question of cremation capacity of the crematory ovens at 
Auschwitz-Birkenau is presented in our articleDie Krematoriumsfen von 
Auschwitz-Birkenau, in the anthology entitled Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte, 
edited by Ernst Gaus, and published in 1994 by the Grabert Verlag, 
Tuebingen, Germany, 1994, pp. 281-320.
25. The absurdities expressed in this regard by this " eye-witness" have 
been analyzed and disproved in the cited essay Die Krematoriumsfen von 
Auschwitz-Birkenau, op. cit., pp. 317-318.
26. Filip Mller, Sonderbehandlung. Drei Jahre in den Krematorien und 
Gaskammern von Auschwitz. Verlag Steinhausen, Mnchen, 1979, pp. 207, 211. 
of these alleged five crematory pits (total approximate area: 1,800 square 
meters) in the Allied reconnaissance photographs taken on 31 May 1944, as 
Pressac reduces these alleged pits from five, down to three, and the area 
>from  1,800 down to 157.5 square meters.
27. Filip Mller declares that in a 40 or 50 meter by 8 meter pit, averaging 
360 square meters in area, they cremated 1,200 cadavers in three layers 
placed one upon another, alternating three layers of wood. 
[Sonderbehandlung, op. cit., p.219]. The calculation would therefore be 
this: [(1,200 360)  157.5] = 525.
28. Miklos Nyiszli, Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, Fawcett Crest, 
New York, 1961, pp. 70, 71.
29. T-1319.
30. According to the Auschwitz Kalendarium (1989), the first three convoys 
would have arrived at Auschwitz on 16 May, and all the deportees would have 
been homicidally gassed [op. cit., p.776]. This piece of information, based 
exclusively on declarations given after the war, is completely 
untrustworthy: the duration of the journeyonly one dayis too short, and 
the complete lack of anyone at all who could work, is too unlikely among 
three convoys sent to Auschwitz in order to be selected for labor.
31. NG-5608
32. T-1319
33. NG-5623
34. 33,187 * 11 = 3,017 persons per each convoy. 3,017  3 = 9,051 persons.
35. 3,017 * 4 = 12,068 persons.
36. 45,179 / 14 = 3,227 deportees per each train; 3,227  4 = 12,908
37. 3,227 * 5 = 16,135
38. J.C. Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 
op. cit., p. 13.
39. Idem. p.97.
40. Idem. p. 253.
41. Franciszek Piper, Estimating the Number of Deportees to and Victims of 
the Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp. Yad Vashem Studies, XXI (Jerusalem 1991, 
pp.49-103); Auschwitz, Wie viele Juden, Polen, Zigeuner...wurden umgebracht. 
Krakow, Universitas, 1992.
42. Franciszek Piper, Estimating the Number of Deportees to and Victims of 
the Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp, art. cit., p.99.
43. Idem., S.97.
44. Idem., S.98.
45. F. Piper puts the count at 200,000 to 205,000




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Subject: CREMATORY RATES AT BIRKENAU LUDICROUS SAYS EXPERT
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The following extract is just part of the testimony of Ivan Lagace, a 
funeral director and crematorium manager and operator from Calgary, Alberta. 
Lagace has disposed of more than 10,000 bodies since 1976, and cremated more 
than 1000 since 1984. He has handled victims of fire, accident, and disease, 
and has seen every stage of bodily decomposition.

He was accorded EXPERT status at the Zundel trial.

Lagace next explained some calculations he had made after studying the plans 
for the 46 retorts at Birkenau.(Auschwitz II)
Christie [defence counsel for Zundel] asked him how these compared to the 
plans for his own crematorium.
Well, said Lagace, When I first looked at these [Birkenau plans], I was 
amazed." The specifications were almost identical to his own retort, 
including the unusually high 45-foot stack. Based on the afterburner design, 
he added, it is obvious they were concerned with environmental effects. 
There would be no smoke and no odor."
Lagace estimated that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could handle about 184 
bodies daily, or four apiece.
But, asked Christie, what about Raul Hilberg's estimate of 4,400 cremations 
per day at Birkenau?
Well," said Lagace, that's preposterous, in my eyes. It's beyond the realm 
of reality."
Christie asked if operating 24 hours a day would raise the output.
Just the opposite, insisted Lagace, it would shorten the lifespan of the 
refractory" and create costly delays.
Christie read to Lagace from Hilberg's account of a period in 1944 when 
about 10,000 Jews a day were allegedly being gassed at Birkenau, and asked 
again if the 46 retorts could have cremated 4,400 of the victims daily.
Lagace: It would be ludicrous to say something like that.


[Page 252 From the 'The Holocaust on Trial' ,The case of Ernst Zundel by 
Robert Lenski.]

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Photos in the modern Polish Archives show Himmler visiting the immense 
synthetic rubber plant being erected by forced labor at Auschwitz on the 
seventeenth [of July 1942] , and touring the concentration camp itself on 
the eighteenth, in the company of his chief engineer SS General Hans Kammler 
and Fritz Bracht, the Gauleiter of Upper Silesia. Whatever later historians 
would claim, Hitler himself never visited any concentration camp, let alone 
Auschwitz. Historians would also claim that Himmler witnessed the 
"liquidation" of a trainload of Jews on this occasion. This is 
apocryphaldevoid of any documentary substance. Under British postwar 
interrogation Bracht's thirty-four-year-old deputy, Albert Hoffmann, would 
recall this day and describe how he accompanied Himmler around Auschwitz: 
conditions were, he volunteered, considerably worse than those he had seen 
at Dachau in 1938. "Maltreatment did occur, and [he] has actually seen the 
[crematory] ovens where bodies were being burned." But Hoffmann's 
interrogation report significantly added, "He totally disbelieves the 
accounts of atrocities as published in the press." (By late 1945 the world's 
newspapers were full of unsubstantiated, lurid rumors about "factories of 
death" complete with lethal "gas chambers.") On July 19, 1942, the day after 
Himmler's tour of Auschwitz, he issued a written order to Kruger: "I decree 
that the transfer of the entire Jewish population of the Generalgouvernement 
is to be carried out and completed by December 31, 1942."

[Extract from page 466 of Hitlers War [1991] by David Irving. 

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Just came back on line, and there's mail problems, already.

Well that's the Information Superhighway, for you.

It's got a traffic jam...



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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 18 23:48:53 PST 1996
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: EX-CONCENTRATION CAMP INMATE SPEAKS
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Note: The passage below was written by Paul Rassinier, the father of 
"revisionism" or so-called "holocaust denial". A socialist, he helped Jews to escape and as a resistant to the German occupation was arrested, and deported to Buchenwald concentration camp. 


II. Abbe Jean-Paul Renard

Deported with registration number 39,727, Abbe Jean-Paul Renard preceded 
Frere Birin and myself by several weeks to Buchenwald; it was Dora [a 
sub-camp of Buchenwald] where we met him again. He published a collection of 
poems inspired by a sometimes moving mysticism with the title Chaines et 
Lumieres. These poems consist of a series of spiritual reactions rather than 
any attempt at objective testimony. One of them, nevertheless, enumerates 
some facts: J'ai vu, j'ai vu, et jai vecu . . . Frere Birin published it in 
an appendix to his own work, which has been discussed in the first section 
of this chapter. 
One of the poems reads:

"I saw going into the showers thousands and thousands of persons over whom 
poured out, instead of liquid , asphyxiating gases. I saw those who were 
unfit for work injected in the heart."

Actually, Abbe  Jean-Paul Renard saw nothing of the kind,  because gas 
chambers did not exist either at Buchenwald, or  at Dora. As for the 
injections, it was not done the time he went through there. When I pointed 
that fact out to him at the beginning of 1947, he answered, "Right,  that's 
only a figure of speech . . . and since those things existed somewhere, it 
is of no importance."
I found his reasoning delightful. At the moment I did not dare to retort 
that the Battle of Fontenoy was also a historical reality, but that was no 
reason for saying, even as a figure of speech , that he had been present. 
Nor did I say that , if twenty eight thousand survivors of the Nazi camps 
had claimed that they had been present at all of the horrors set forth by 
all of the testimonies, the camps would assume, in the eyes of history quite 
a different image than if each survivor had confined himself to telling only 
what he had actually seen. Nor did I mention that it was in our interest 
that not one of us should be guilty of lying or exaggeration.



[ pages 129-130 The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses by Paul 
Rassinier.]

Available from :-
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.



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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 19 02:04:57 PST 1996
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: REALLY ACCURATE ACCOUNT BY TURGEL [It is really, it is, it really is.....]
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The first person I [Sgt Norman Turgel of 53 Field Security Section, 
Intelligence Corps] arrested was Josef Kramer, the Camp Commandant, known as 
the Beast of Belsen. On the day our unit arrived, I locked Kramer in a huge 
meat refridgerator set at a low temperature, which the germans had been 
using for their own food supplies. I put 2 guards on him. he was in there 
for 24 hours before we took him out.

["locked in a huge meat refridgerator set at a low temperature", "for 24 
hours"]

Then I interrogated him and made out the arrest warrant.
When I arrested him I said in German: "I'm a Jew." He said: 'That's 
impossible. There are no Jews in the Army. We are killing them all.' I said: 
'There are thousands of  them in the British Army and the American Army -all 
freedom-loving people.' But he was still adamant.
I was very proud of being a Jew who arrested one of the most notorious 
gangsters in Nazi Germany . Maybe it was Fate that a Jew should arrest one 
of the war's worst concentration camp guards. It was a remarkable moment, 
but first and foremost I was doing my duty as a soldier, a British soldier, 
and these were evil men and women who had to be brought to justice.
Kramer was unshaven and very well-fed. He had a faraway look, like a 
frightened animal that's just been cornered. When I said: 'Look at these 
people . . .' he shrugged his shoulders and said: 'We had no medical 
supplies, and not enough food foor ourselves.' I said: 'Look at you! You 
look as if you ate enough for three people.' He kept mumbling to himself: 'I 
only acted on orders from my superiors. But he was the camp commandant!
He was a typical bulldog. He was like a robot, and he showed no feeling, no 
remorse at all. When he was the commandant at Auschwitz he was well known as 
a murderer and would think nothing of killing up to a hundred people a day 
himself. This is what I heard from other people I interrogated, there were 
lampshades which he had made in Auschwitz from Human skin, and in the 
kitchens we found bags of ground glass which was used to doctor the inmates 
soup.

[From: I light a candle Gena Turgel London 1987 page 106-7]

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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 19 13:26:06 PST 1996
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: READINESS FOR TRANSPORT MEANS "GASSING"
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:38:32 GMT
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Start Quote:

Two more trains, carrying 5,000 people again left for Auschwitz, where the 
same mystery was repeated. Two thousand were selected for the labour 
commandos; the rest were admitted to quarantine. They are clearly indicated 
in the Birkenau employment list of May 11th 1944. 1,452 Theresienstadt Jews 
were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575 were described as in 
readiness for transport [Vorbereitung zum Transport] and this in the 
officialese of Auschwitz, had only one meaning, which was waiting for the 
gas chamber. 

End Quote: 

[The Final Solution (1968) by Gerald Reitlinger p183]

The above is a quote from Gerald Reitlinger, an so-called "expert" on the 
"Holocaust". Mr Reitlinger, throughout his book makes slimilar statements 
without offering any proof, whatsoever.

QUESTION 1:

Why can't "readiness for transport" mean exactly that?



Look through any holocaust book and you will find numerous examples of the 
Germans using camouflage terms or codewords, getting the Jews to send off 
fake postcards, showerheads to disguise a "gas chamber", "gas chambers" 
described on plans of Crematoria as Lichenkeller [morgue], and so on..... 

Try going through Reitlingers book and counting the examples of 
supposed "deliberate German deception".    

You will be amazed.



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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 19 13:26:07 PST 1996
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: 21 SIGNATURES
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A bit later in their booklet ( brought out to counter Richard Harwoods Did 
6 million really die? in  S.Africa ) , Suzman and Diamond dealt with an 
interesting 1964 English civil case called Dering  v. Uris et al. They 
called it a a striking confirmation of the "inhuman medical experiments 
carried out upon Jewish inmates of Auschwitz," and noted that the plaintiff 
Dering alleged he was libelled in the book Exodus by Leon Uris, and won a 
halfpenny  in damages from the jury.
(Professor Robert)  Faurisson  recalled that in the 1960s he read the book 
Auschwitz in England, by two British lawyers, which dealt with  the trial. 
Wladislaw Dering was a Polish surgeon who worked at Auschwitz and was 
accused by Uris of having operated without anesthesia on 17,000 female 
internees.  

Suzman and Diamond declined to give that number, however, because, as 
Faurisson explained, during the course of the trial it melted first to "a 
big number," then to "130 people, men and women", then to "perhaps five 
people," and finally to  "perhaps two or three cases [which] were not quite 
clear." The meltdown was greatly facilitated by Dering's ability to obtain 
>from  the Auschwitz Museum the register of surgical operations, said 
Faurisson, who observed that  the Germans used to put everything in 
writing....We must realize that in Auschwitz when there was one natural 
death, we had 21 signatures, and when it was a [suicide or other unnatural 
death], more than 30 signatures were affixed to a document about the death.
 Where do you get those numbers? asked Christie.
>From  the International Committee of Auschwitz, as published in The Anthology 
of Auschwitz, replied Faurisson.
The Dering trial is very important, he continued. Day after day, they 
eliminated names [of alleged victims]. On  reaching five, "they discovered 
that [even] those operations had not been done without anesthesia, but with 
a kind of anesthesia that was [new] at that time. We call that rachis 
anesthesia which is in the cerebral spine. It is a partial anesthesia."
And where does this information come from? asked Christie [defence counsel 
for Zundel].
>From  Auschwitz in England, said Faurisson.
The jury awarded Dering one halfpenny, but the judge ordered him to pay for 
the trial nevertheless. Dering said, "My honour is saved, but financially I 
am ruined." Soon after, he died of cancer.
Leon Uris's dirty work was not yet complete. He then wrote a play about the 
trial called Queen's Bench 7, and invented a character of a son of Dering 
who attended the trial and became ashamed of his father's past. He  
refrained from using the name of  Dering," however.
In summary, said Faurisson, it's quite clear that [at the beginning] 
everybody was ready to believe that in Auschwitz it as possible to do such a 
thing to 17,000 people."
Is what you have told us indicated anywhere in Suzman and Diamond? asked 
Christie.
No, said Faurisson. "They are veiling the fact that the accusation [of Uris] 
was absolutely terrible." Without the Auschwitz surgical register, he added, 
most of that accusation could have stuck forever.
 
 
[Page 309-310 From the "The Holocaust on Trial" ,The case of Ernst Zundel by 
Robert Lenski.]

The Holocaust on Trial is available from:-

The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.


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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 19 13:49:04 PST 1996
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: ANNE FRANK DIARY - HOW WAS IT FOUND?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:16:45 GMT
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The Franks had been arrested and had been taken away.......

What happened next? Who found the diary?

1) "The franks and their friends were being taken away. MIEP remained frozen 
in her chair, too shocked, too stunned to move. Then she heard the sound of 
familar voices. ELLI and HENK were returning. Saying little to one another, 
the THREE left the office and moved down the hallway and on up the stairs to 
the hiding place. Moving from room to room they saw overturned furniture, 
books scattered, and drawers ransacked."
[Page 23. A place to Hide. True Sories of Holocaust Rescues. Jayne Pettit. 
USA 1993.

2) "At the end of the afternoon, the two [MIEP and BEP] went upstairs 
together with JAN GIES and VAN MAAREN, the warehouseman, and entered the 
secret annex. It was in chaos. the pages of Annes diary lay scattered on 
the floor and were gathered up along with other papers and books and taken 
downstairs."
[Anne Frank: Beyond the Diary: A photographic Rememberance. Puffin books 
1995]

3) "The secret annexe was plundered during the police raid. A few days 
later, in a pile of old newspapers left lying on the floor, an OFFICE 
CLEANER found the notebooks containing Annes diary. Not knowing what they 
were, he handed them to Miep and Elli."
[Page 227 Anne Frank Diary. Published by Guild publishing by arrangement 
with Valentine, Mitchell and Co Ltd 1980]

4)  "Henk said right away to van Matto, As soon as your assistants are away 
lock the door and come back to us. When van Matto returned, Henk said to 
Elli, van Matto and me [Miep Gies], Now weill go upstairs and see what the 
situation is.
[Page 157. Anne Frank Remembered by Miep Gies 1987.] 


Anybody got an answer to this one yet?





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From: Jeff 
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Subject: HE SHOULD SWEAR AN OATH THAT HE HAS SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:40:25 GMT
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The story of the gassings, said Burg,  "comes from a sick mind."
Christie [defence counsel for Zundel] asked the witness [Burg] what he had 
told Zundel about your interviews with Jewish Sonderkommando workers in 
the camp crematories."
Obviously, said Burg, every large camp had crematoria. The work there was 
heavy and difficult and the internees who worked there "voluntarily" were 
among the healthiest. Later, "it was invented that every crematorium was a 
gas chamber." 
Some claimed that "living Jews were pushed in to be burned. I would like to 
see a Jew who has given such statements during trial. One should force him 
to take an oath under the [rabbinical] rites with the skull cap, without 
pictures of Christ [present], with the Hebrew Bible, in the presence of a 
rabbi or a pious religious Jew. Then he should swear an oath that he has 
seen something like that. Then these false oaths, these false statements, 
these sick statements, would go down by 99.5 percent. Because the 
superficial oath is not binding, morally binding, for these Jews. Is that a 
sufficient answer?"

The testimony of Joseph G Burg [Joseph Ginsburg], a Jewish witness for 
Zundel at the Zundel trial.

[Page 239 From the "The Holocaust on Trial ,The case of Ernst Zundel by 
Robert Lenski.

The Holocaust on Trial is available from:-

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From: Jeff 
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Subject: b) ARTICLE By CARLO MATTOGNO
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3) The Contradiction of Pressac's New Thesis: 

The conclusion that Jean-Claude Pressac draws from the preceding, is that 
only 53 convoys of Jews from Hungary arrived at Auschwitz; convoys that 
usually consisted of an average of 3,000 people each, which corresponds to a 
total of (53  3,000 =) 159,000 deportees; rounded off to 160,000 deportees 
(p.173). 

In open contradiction with this, Pressac writes:
Summing it up, the only reliable figures available, although lacunose [with 
gaps], relating to Hungarian male and female work-capable Jews, are:

1) The number of those registered at Auschwitz: 28,000
2) The number of those transferred to the Reich camps: approximately 25,000 
(incomplete figures).
3) The number of female Hungarian Jews transferred to Stutthof: from 20,000 
to 30,000 (as the count of its card-index at Yad Vashem has not yet been 
completed)

Therefore a total of approximately 80,000 people (which corresponds to 
approximately 240,000 who arrived)" (p.171).
Here Pressac applies the "1/3 to 2/3 rule," (18) considering these 80,000 
detainees able to work as one-third of the total of the deportees, which is 
then set at 240,000 people. Consequently, the trains arriving from Hungary 
contained an average of (240,000 / 53) = 4,528 people each. But at the same 
time, Pressac states in a polemical way disagreeing with F.Piper, that each 
convoy had " a maximum capacity of 3,000 " people, (p.172).

Thus Pressac states that the total capacity of the convoys were at the same 
time 3,000 and 4,528 people, and that the proportion of people able to work 
was at the same time, one-third and one-half, (80,000 able to work, out of 
160,000 deportees).

Pressac moreover distorts the data from the Auschwitz Kalendarium (1989): 
For the period of 2 May to 11 July, it contains in fact the indication of 
55, (not 53) registrations, not transportations of Hungarian Jews. And every 
registration refers explicitly or implicitly to more than one convoy. So for 
example, the 2 May registration reports two convoys; the one dated 16 May 
reports three convoys. Eight more registrations have the formula "aus den 
Trasporten...", so they relate to multiple convoys. The consequence of this 
is that the number of the convoys is necessarily larger than the number of 
the registrations. 

We also note that in Les crmatoires d'Auschwitz, the number of female 
Hungarian Jews transferred from Auschwitz to Stutthof is not 20,000 to 
30,000, but 40,000 to 50,000 (p.147). What about the remaining/ missing 
20,000 female Jews? 

The Pressac thesis implies another contradiction; and a more striking one: 
If, in fact, all work-disabled Hungarian Jews were homicidally gassed, and 
if it is true that work-restricted Hungarian Jews amounted to two-thirds of 
the total deportees, then approximately 292,000 were homicidally gassed. But 
if they homicidally gassed 80,000 or 160,000 work-disabled at Auschwitz, 
then just where were the remaining 212,000 or 132,000 work-impaired 
Hungarian Jews, homicidally gassed? Or putting it in another way, if 212,000 
or 132,000 work-disabled Hungarian Jews who, according to Pressac, did not 
go through Auschwitz and were not homicidally gassed; then why would 80,000 
or 160,000 work-disabled people have been deported to Auschwitz, and 
homicidally gassed?

4) Auschwitz: A Transit Camp for the Hungarian Jews 

Let's get down to the matter: To where were the Hungarian Jews deported?

It is undoubtedly true that some German documents show a destination other 
than Auschwitz for Hungarian Jews. For example, a 27 October 1944 note by 
Horst Wagner (Chief of the section " Inland " of the Foreign Ministry of the 
Reich) states that out of approximately 900,000 Jews who were in Hungary, 
437,402 had been "taken to the eastern territories to be used for work." 
(19) Other documents mention Germany, the General Gouvernate and Upper 
Silesia, as the final destination. Nevertheless, this does not preclude that 
these deportees had gone first through Auschwitz as a transit and clearing 
camp; and more than that, some documents affirm that quite clearly. The 
report by Eberhard von Thadden (Chief of the section "Inland II" of the 
Foreign Ministry of the Reich), dated 26 May 1946, states that from the 15th 
to the 24th of May 1944, they had deported from Hungary to the General 
Gouvernate, 116,000 Jews, at a rate of 12,000 to 14,000 per day, (20) but he 
adds:
Nach den bisherigen Feststellungen sind etwa 1/3 der abtransportierten Juden 
arbeitseinsatzfhig. Sie werden sofort nach Eintreffen im Sammellager 
Auschwitz auf die Dieststellen von Gauleiter Sauckel, die OT usw. verteilt.
[According to the verifications done up to now, approximately one-third of 
the deported Jews are able to work. After arriving at the gathering camp in 
Auschwitz, they are assigned to the services of Gauleiter Sauckel of the 
Todt Organization, etc.] (21)

The report by Lieutenant Colonel Laszlo Ferenczy of 29 May 1944, is still 
more explicit:
The German Security Police proposes, and it is their clear intent, that the 
Jews bring with themselves provisions for at least five days for the 
duration of their transport-since upon their arrival at Auschwitz, after 
selection has taken place, they are sent immediately (azonnal) on trains 
(vonatokkal) to the various work locations. (22) (azonnal = immediately, at 
once)
This report underlines that, from the beginning of these deportations until 
midnight of 28 May 1944, there were 184,049 Hungarian Jews deported in 58 
trains, and they all went through Auschwitz. 

5) Cremation Capacity at Birkenau 

According to Jean-Claude Pressac, at the end of May 1944, the exterminating 
capacity of the installations at Birkenau was as follows:
Crematory II : only one possible gassing cycle per day
1,000 per day 

Crematory III:
1,000 per day 

Crematory V: two possible gassing cycles per day, as the three gas chamber 
block is ventilated, and the incineration takes place in pits -3- [three 
pits].
1,000 to 2,000 per day 

Bunker 2: no ventilated gas chamber and incineration in a pit of 30 square 
meters and in another [pit] of 20 square meters. 
300 per day 

and so 3,300 per day, with the possibility of an extension to 4,300. The 
Kalendarium ... indicates the arrival on 20 May (23) of one convoy (an 
average of 3,000 people of whom 1,000 were able, and 2,000 were unable to 
work) and on 21 May of two convoys (6,000 people, of whom 2,000 were able to 
work and 4,000 were unable). The photograph taken on 21 May around 9 to 10 
A.M. does not show more than six or seven cars on the ramp. This indicates 
how neither one of the two convoys had arrived (2 * circa 40 cars). 
Crematories II and III do not show any smoke, while an incineration is 
taking place in one of the three pits (3.5m * 15m) next to Crematory V, 
which corresponds to the end of incineration on the eve [night before] of 
those who were unable to work. The Kalendarium ... indicates with sufficient 
precision that 2,100 work-capable persons were selected from the two convoys 
of 21 May. To destroy a maximum of 3,900 people per day was compatible with 
the exterminating capacity of Birkenau (p.172). 
To Pressac's argumentations, we counter with the following objections: 

a) The cremation capacity of 1,000 cadavers per day which Pressac attributes 
to each one of Crematories II and III, is technically unfounded. The maximum 
cremation capacity of these two plants was 360 cadavers per day, each. (24) 

b) Pressac's affirmation concerning three "crematory pits" of 3.5 meters by 
15 meters each, in the courtyard of Crematory V (not supported in any 
document) is in contrast with the declaration of Filip Mller, (25) the most 
important witness on these "cremation pits", who mentions five "cremation 
pits" measuring 40 or 50 meters by 8 meters. (26) There are no traces 

c) Granted, but not accepted, that such pits had really existed; and 
granted, but not accepted, that it is possible to accomplish a mass 
cremation in "cremation pits", on what basis does Pressac declare that their 
maximum cremation capacity was 2,000 cadavers per day? The only possible 
basis would be Filip Mller's declaration. But in this case, Pressac's three 
"cremation pits" would have had a maximum cremation capacity of 525 cadavers 
per day. (27) 

d) The Pressac contention concerning two "cremation pits" measuring 30 and 
20 square meters in Bunker 2 ground, not supported by any document, is in 
opposition to the declaration of the most important witness on these 
"cremation pits", Miklos Nyiszli, who writes of two cremation pits measuring 
50 meters by 6 meters. (28) Even in this case, Pressac has drastically 
reduced the area of the "cremation pits" from 600 square meters to 50 square 
meters.

Assuming also in this case, a basis for Filip Mller's declaration, these 
two "cremation pits" would have been able to cremate a maximum of [(1,200 / 
360 ) * 50 =] approximately 170 cadavers per day.

In conclusion, the systems, or incineration plants stated by Pressac, if the 
"cremation pits" had existed, would have had a maximum cremation capacity of 
1,400 cadavers per day, not 4,300. 

-- 

Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 08:59:16 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: READINESS FOR TRANSPORT MEANS "GASSING"
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In article: <4e0eoa$3tg@access5.digex.net>  mstein@access5.digex.net 
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> From: mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: READINESS FOR TRANSPORT MEANS "GASSING"
> Date: 22 Jan 1996 11:41:46 -0500
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> In article <63113398wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk
> (Jeff Roberts) writes:
> >Start Quote:
> >
> >Two more trains, carrying 5,000 people again left for Auschwitz, where 
the 
> >same mystery was repeated. Two thousand were selected for the labour 
> >commandos; the rest were admitted to quarantine. They are clearly 
indicated 
> >in the Birkenau employment list of May 11th 1944. 1,452 Theresienstadt 
Jews 
> >were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575 were described as in 
> >readiness for transport [Vorbereitung zum Transport] and this in the 
> >officialese of Auschwitz, had only one meaning, which was waiting for the 
> >gas chamber. 
> >
> >End Quote: 
> >
> >[The Final Solution (1968) by Gerald Reitlinger p183]
> >
> >The above is a quote from Gerald Reitlinger, an so-called "expert" on the 
> >"Holocaust". Mr Reitlinger, throughout his book makes slimilar statements 
> >without offering any proof, whatsoever.
> >
> >QUESTION 1:
> >
> >Why can't "readiness for transport" mean exactly that?
> 
>     Well, let me explain why it would seem to be a contradiction if it
> did.  You see, the people were in the quarantine section.  

> >1,452 Theresienstadt Jews 
> >were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575 were described as in 
> >readiness for transport [Vorbereitung zum Transport]

There's a BUT there. 
They were not in Quarantine. 

> Now, quarantine
> usually means being segregated from the rest of the population to prevent
> the spread of disease.  But if they are at risk for spreading disease, and
> they are being quarantined to prevent the spread of disease, then it seems
> to me that they cannot truly be "ready for transport" since transporting
> them would risk spreading disease which they have just been quarantined to 
> prevent. 

Thanks. You must be a doctor.

> 
>     Unless you want to claim that "quarantine" is a CODEWORD for
> something, of course....

I don't. But, Reitlinger does. He claims it means "gassing". But then again 
he was an antique dealer. I certainly don't claim "quarantine" means Blast 
furnace. Nor, a incinerator. I let John "blast furnace" Morris do that.

I suggest that "readiness for transport" means er... "readiness for 
transport".  

> 
> 
> >Try going through Reitlingers book and counting the examples of 
> >supposed "deliberate German deception".    
> >
> >You will be amazed.
> 
>     Try going through Jeff Roberts's posts and counting the examples of
> _actual_ deception, error, faulty reasoning, quoting out of context,
> distortion, etc.
> 
>     You will not be amazed, merely saddened.
> 
>     Posted/emailed.
> -- 
> Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
> 
> 

Try going through Mike Butstein's post here. Remember the word "but". Please 
send him a English dictionary ASAP, and some asses ears. 


-- 
Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 08:59:17 PST 1996
Article: 21233 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: NOT SAY ANYTHING TO THE VISITORS [at Auschwitz I]
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> From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: TOUT Y EST FAUX
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:57:54 GMT
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> Jeff  wrote:
> 
> 
> >        L'EXPRESS: "Tout y est faux" - Everything about it is Fake 
> 
> >                 FRENCH MAKE A CLEAN BREAST: 
> >         ADMIT FORTY SEVEN YEAR AUSCHWITZ "GAS CHAMBER" FRAUD
> 
> >PARIS-Braving the risk of prosecution under France's draconic new 
> >Fabius-Gayssot Law, the mass circulation national weekly magazine 
L'Express 
> >has admitted that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz is a 
FAKE - 
> >built by the Polish Communists three years after the War. 
> 


John Morris> Mr. Roberts has published the full text of the original 
L'Express article on alt.revisionism, and he is fully aware that it says 
nothing of the kind. What is "faux" about the exhibits at Auschwitz is that
the curators are beset with the same problems of accurate conservation
that beset curators at all museums.

[snip of the abuse]


I quote from the article :- 
[as translated by Henri Ayre, a fluent french speaker]


In 1948 at the time of the creation of the Auschwitz museum Krema I was 
refitted to its supposed original state (with gas chamber). Everything there 
is false, (30) the dimensions of the gas chamber, the placement of the 
doors, the openings to pour in the Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt on the basis 
of the memory of several of the survivors), the height of the chimney. In 
the late 1970s author Robert Faurisson exploited these errors all the more 
that the directors of the museum were reluctant to recognize them as 
errors. A revisionist (David Cole?) recently shot a video in this gas 
chamber, still represented as authentic, and spoke there to visitors about 
his "revelations." Jean-Claude Pressac, one of the first to establish the 
exact history of this gas chamber and its modifications during and after 
the war, proposes to restore the gas chamber to its state during its use 
in 1942, in accepting as true and accurate the German architectural plans 
that he has just discovered in Soviet archives. (31) Others, like Thio 
Klein, prefer to leave it in its present state while explaining to the 
public the travesty. "History is as it is--it's necessary to say 
that--even when it isn't simple, rather than to add artifice to the 
artificial." Krystena Oleksy, of the director's office which is in the old 
SS hospital giving directly on the Krema I, can't make up her mind. "For 
the moment we will leave it (the gas chamber) as it is and not say 
anything to the visitors. It is all too complicated. We will decide later. 
(32)

unquote


"not say anything to the visitors" 
ie the Auschwitz museum is DELIBERATELY holding back on the facts.


In the article, the word "faux" is translated as false. The word "false" if 
looked up in a dictionary means :-

False: adj not true or correct; artificial; fake; deceptive; 
treacherous..... [Collins gem English pocket Dictionary.]

The note 30) as given by Henri Ayre reads:-

(30) "Tout y est faux." It is difficult to imagine a French author, 
writing on a serious subject, using this phraseology which has great 
emotional finality in the French language if he did not wish to inject in 
his piece a tone of doubt. 

The number of "gassed" at Auschwitz I [the original camp] has afaik, SHRUNK 
>from  220,000 to 20,000. Soon, I confidently predict, it will be ZERO. This 
is because IMHO the 'holocaust' is propaganda fiction.

Likewise, Pressac, a village Pharmacist, and so-called " holocaust" expert 
has likewise redeuced the numbers of "gassed" at Auschwitz II [Birkenau].

start quote;

Year 1989: 938,000 -of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 - of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 - of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian 
Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews [at Auschwitz] by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!" [1]
unquote;

[1] source Carlo Mattogno's Article as posted on Brads website;
http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/

or as posted, last week. 

Notice how the number of jews gassed has shrunk by 50%, yet the number of 
Hungarian jews "gassed" has increased! These are "unregistered."   

Check out the superb book :- 

"Auschwitz:The End of a Legend" by Carlo Mattogno

Available from : The Institute for Historical Review
                  PO Box 2739
                  Newport Beach
                  CA 92659   
                  America


It is outrageous that French freedoms are restricted by this Fabius-Gayssot 
Law. It shows that despite the numerical, and resource inferiority of 
revisionists to the "gassing " liars, they NEED to repress the truth, as 
they have no answers....  

However, I expect John "blast furnace" Morris is pleased with more 
repression on revisionism. He'ill have more time to finish his work on 
Francis Bacon, a great Englishman. 

I expect, as he's using a large hatchet, he will need the time.





-- 
Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 08:59:18 PST 1996
Article: 21354 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: A FRIENDLY ADDRESS TO ALL AMERICANS
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:13:53 GMT
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In article: <4e0hq3$g8a@zippy.cais.net>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) 
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> From: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
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> Subject: Morrison Threatens Violence
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> 
> 	Under alt.rev. "Holocaust Peer Boosting for Revisionism"
> 
> 	"Better be careful or someone might mistake that yellow streak down
> your back for a median line."
> 	Does this mean that Morrison is saying someone might run over Tom
> Moran with a car - intentionally?
> 	What does Morrison mean by "someone"?
> 
> 
> 
Well, Tom,

On this newsgroup normal rules don't apply, as Mr Karen said sometime ago.
Anybody who "denies" the Holocaust, bollocks that it is, will be be 
subjected to verbal abuse, threats, misrepresentations etc etc, to get him 
or her to get off the newsgroup. It is part of the tactics of Holocaust 
liars. They want to get you banned. The SWC don't give a fuck for the Magna 
Cartna, the US Consitution or any such crap. They can't argue or debate with 
the revisionist mouse, repression is their only answer. Holocaust 
liars have already got repression as standard in Germany and France.
They nearly succeded in the UK last year. In 1997, it will be "anti-racist" 
year when another attack will be launched on our ancestral freedoms here in 
the UK, under the guise of "European Community legislation".  
I say to you Americans, guard your freedoms! Once gone, they are gone 
forever......

-- 
Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 12:42:28 PST 1996
Article: 21157 of alt.revisionism
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From: Jeff 
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Subject: Re: READINESS FOR TRANSPORT MEANS "GASSING"
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> From: mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: READINESS FOR TRANSPORT MEANS "GASSING"
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> In article <63113398wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk
> (Jeff Roberts) writes:
> >Start Quote:
> >
> >Two more trains, carrying 5,000 people again left for Auschwitz, where 
the 
> >same mystery was repeated. Two thousand were selected for the labour 
> >commandos; the rest were admitted to quarantine. They are clearly 
indicated 
> >in the Birkenau employment list of May 11th 1944. 1,452 Theresienstadt 
Jews 
> >were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575 were described as in 
> >readiness for transport [Vorbereitung zum Transport] and this in the 
> >officialese of Auschwitz, had only one meaning, which was waiting for the 
> >gas chamber. 
> >
> >End Quote: 
> >
> >[The Final Solution (1968) by Gerald Reitlinger p183]
> >
> >The above is a quote from Gerald Reitlinger, an so-called "expert" on the 
> >"Holocaust". Mr Reitlinger, throughout his book makes slimilar statements 
> >without offering any proof, whatsoever.
> >
> >QUESTION 1:
> >
> >Why can't "readiness for transport" mean exactly that?
> 
>     Well, let me explain why it would seem to be a contradiction if it
> did.  You see, the people were in the quarantine section.  

> >1,452 Theresienstadt Jews 
> >were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575 were described as in 
> >readiness for transport [Vorbereitung zum Transport]

There's a BUT there. 
They were not in Quarantine. 

> Now, quarantine
> usually means being segregated from the rest of the population to prevent
> the spread of disease.  But if they are at risk for spreading disease, and
> they are being quarantined to prevent the spread of disease, then it seems
> to me that they cannot truly be "ready for transport" since transporting
> them would risk spreading disease which they have just been quarantined to 
> prevent. 

Thanks. You must be a doctor.

> 
>     Unless you want to claim that "quarantine" is a CODEWORD for
> something, of course....

I don't. But, Reitlinger does. He claims it means "gassing". But then again 
he was an antique dealer. I certainly don't claim "quarantine" means Blast 
furnace. Nor, a incinerator. I let John "blast furnace" Morris do that.

I suggest that "readiness for transport" means er... "readiness for 
transport".  

> 
> 
> >Try going through Reitlingers book and counting the examples of 
> >supposed "deliberate German deception".    
> >
> >You will be amazed.
> 
>     Try going through Jeff Roberts's posts and counting the examples of
> _actual_ deception, error, faulty reasoning, quoting out of context,
> distortion, etc.
> 
>     You will not be amazed, merely saddened.
> 
>     Posted/emailed.
> -- 
> Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
> 
> 

Try going through Mike Butstein's post here. Remember the word "but". Please 
send him a English dictionary ASAP, and some asses ears. 


-- 
Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 12:42:29 PST 1996
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Subject: NOT SAY ANYTHING TO THE VISITORS [at Auschwitz I]
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> From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: TOUT Y EST FAUX
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:57:54 GMT
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> Jeff  wrote:
> 
> 
> >        L'EXPRESS: "Tout y est faux" - Everything about it is Fake 
> 
> >                 FRENCH MAKE A CLEAN BREAST: 
> >         ADMIT FORTY SEVEN YEAR AUSCHWITZ "GAS CHAMBER" FRAUD
> 
> >PARIS-Braving the risk of prosecution under France's draconic new 
> >Fabius-Gayssot Law, the mass circulation national weekly magazine 
L'Express 
> >has admitted that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz is a 
FAKE - 
> >built by the Polish Communists three years after the War. 
> 


John Morris> Mr. Roberts has published the full text of the original 
L'Express article on alt.revisionism, and he is fully aware that it says 
nothing of the kind. What is "faux" about the exhibits at Auschwitz is that
the curators are beset with the same problems of accurate conservation
that beset curators at all museums.

[snip of the abuse]


I quote from the article :- 
[as translated by Henri Ayre, a fluent french speaker]


In 1948 at the time of the creation of the Auschwitz museum Krema I was 
refitted to its supposed original state (with gas chamber). Everything there 
is false, (30) the dimensions of the gas chamber, the placement of the 
doors, the openings to pour in the Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt on the basis 
of the memory of several of the survivors), the height of the chimney. In 
the late 1970s author Robert Faurisson exploited these errors all the more 
that the directors of the museum were reluctant to recognize them as 
errors. A revisionist (David Cole?) recently shot a video in this gas 
chamber, still represented as authentic, and spoke there to visitors about 
his "revelations." Jean-Claude Pressac, one of the first to establish the 
exact history of this gas chamber and its modifications during and after 
the war, proposes to restore the gas chamber to its state during its use 
in 1942, in accepting as true and accurate the German architectural plans 
that he has just discovered in Soviet archives. (31) Others, like Thio 
Klein, prefer to leave it in its present state while explaining to the 
public the travesty. "History is as it is--it's necessary to say 
that--even when it isn't simple, rather than to add artifice to the 
artificial." Krystena Oleksy, of the director's office which is in the old 
SS hospital giving directly on the Krema I, can't make up her mind. "For 
the moment we will leave it (the gas chamber) as it is and not say 
anything to the visitors. It is all too complicated. We will decide later. 
(32)

unquote


"not say anything to the visitors" 
ie the Auschwitz museum is DELIBERATELY holding back on the facts.


In the article, the word "faux" is translated as false. The word "false" if 
looked up in a dictionary means :-

False: adj not true or correct; artificial; fake; deceptive; 
treacherous..... [Collins gem English pocket Dictionary.]

The note 30) as given by Henri Ayre reads:-

(30) "Tout y est faux." It is difficult to imagine a French author, 
writing on a serious subject, using this phraseology which has great 
emotional finality in the French language if he did not wish to inject in 
his piece a tone of doubt. 

The number of "gassed" at Auschwitz I [the original camp] has afaik, SHRUNK 
>from  220,000 to 20,000. Soon, I confidently predict, it will be ZERO. This 
is because IMHO the 'holocaust' is propaganda fiction.

Likewise, Pressac, a village Pharmacist, and so-called " holocaust" expert 
has likewise redeuced the numbers of "gassed" at Auschwitz II [Birkenau].

start quote;

Year 1989: 938,000 -of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 - of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 - of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian 
Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews [at Auschwitz] by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!" [1]
unquote;

[1] source Carlo Mattogno's Article as posted on Brads website;
http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/

or as posted, last week. 

Notice how the number of jews gassed has shrunk by 50%, yet the number of 
Hungarian jews "gassed" has increased! These are "unregistered."   

Check out the superb book :- 

"Auschwitz:The End of a Legend" by Carlo Mattogno

Available from : The Institute for Historical Review
                  PO Box 2739
                  Newport Beach
                  CA 92659   
                  America


It is outrageous that French freedoms are restricted by this Fabius-Gayssot 
Law. It shows that despite the numerical, and resource inferiority of 
revisionists to the "gassing " liars, they NEED to repress the truth, as 
they have no answers....  

However, I expect John "blast furnace" Morris is pleased with more 
repression on revisionism. He'ill have more time to finish his work on 
Francis Bacon, a great Englishman. 

I expect, as he's using a large hatchet, he will need the time.





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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 25 12:42:30 PST 1996
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> 	Under alt.rev. "Holocaust Peer Boosting for Revisionism"
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> 	"Better be careful or someone might mistake that yellow streak down
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> 
> 
Well, Tom,

On this newsgroup normal rules don't apply, as Mr Karen said sometime ago.
Anybody who "denies" the Holocaust, bollocks that it is, will be be 
subjected to verbal abuse, threats, misrepresentations etc etc, to get him 
or her to get off the newsgroup. It is part of the tactics of Holocaust 
liars. They want to get you banned. The SWC don't give a fuck for the Magna 
Cartna, the US Consitution or any such crap. They can't argue or debate with 
the revisionist mouse, repression is their only answer. Holocaust 
liars have already got repression as standard in Germany and France.
They nearly succeded in the UK last year. In 1997, it will be "anti-racist" 
year when another attack will be launched on our ancestral freedoms here in 
the UK, under the guise of "European Community legislation".  
I say to you Americans, guard your freedoms! Once gone, they are gone 
forever......

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:17 PST 1996
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>  Ron  writes:
> 
> : One thing is for sure, the HTML on McOyVay's site is lousy, and 
> : the graphic sucks.
> 
> That is (unsurprisingly) not true.  The HTML is correct.  It is
> not that hard to write correct HTML.  All tags that I noted were
> correctly applied, there was no inconsistancy that I found, and
> the page loaded correctly, first time.
> 
> Many web browsers (whether using Netscape or other) turn auto-image
> loading off.  This makes graphics to some extent superfluous.  Take
> a look at the good sites... they use graphics to enhance their pages,
> not to be their pages.
> 
> Incidently, one day when I was feeling bored I submitted the Nizkor
> page to an HTML checker... and it came up pretty good... Try it yourself
> if you want to.
> 
> And if you doubt my ability to commect on HTML you're welcome to take 
> a look at the 40 or so separate pages I've written, and you're welcome
> to comment to the three companies that have hired me to set pages up
> for them.
> 
> --
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>    +----------+------------------+----------------------+-------------+
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> 	      +-----------------------------------------+
> 

Any tips on using GIF images? Such as opt size, general problems, resolution 
etc
I've been told that some GIF files created by certain packages won't work. 
Is that true?
 

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:18 PST 1996
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> "Among the most remarkable documents to have survived the war is the
> manuscript written in Birkenau by one of the members of the 
Sonderkommando,
> Salmen Lewental.  This particular manuscript was discovered in 1962 in a
> jar buried in the ground near Crematorium III, where Lewental worked.  The

Ie when Poland was a Communist state. And Katyn was still an Nazi crime.... 



> gaps in it are words destroyed by dampness which seeped into the jar.
> Lewental, who did not survive his gruesome work, recalled in his note book
> the same episode witnessed in its opening stages by Madame Vaillant
> Couturier and Rudolf Vrba.

Rudolf Vrba was responsible for the WRB report which claimed as I recall 
1,765,000 gassed jews at Birkenau, between April 1942 and April 1944.

In 1945, the communists investigated the camp and cited 4 million killed by 
recitified co-efficents. 
They lied.

Hoess "confessed" to killing about 3 million dead.  
The figure is totally wrong. 




Hoess then "revised" his estimate to 1,135,000.
It's still wrong.

Quote : from Carlo Mattogno's superb article, as posted. And still 
unanswered by the holocaust liars. 

Before presenting our conclusion, we summarize in a synoptic table, 
Jean-Claude Pressac regarding Jews he alleges were homicidally "gassed" at 
Auschwitz:

Year 1989: 938,000
-of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 
- of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 
- of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!

Unquote:

Shrinking isn't it. That's because the Holocaust is propaganda. It's just 
rubbish.


> Lewental's account is headed '3,000 naked people'.  It reads:
> 
>      This was at the beginning of 1944.  A cold, dry lashing wind was
>      blowing.  The soil was quite frozen.  The first lorry, loaded brimful
>      with naked women and grils, drove in front of Crematorium III.  They
>      were not standing close to one another, as usual, no; they did not
>      stand on their feet at all, they were exhausted, they lay inertly one
>      upon another in a state of utter exhaustion.  They were sighing and
>      groaning.
> 
>      The lorry stopped, the tarpaulin was raised and they began to dump
>      down the human mass in the way in which gravel is unloaded on to the
>      road.  

How did he see the "naked women and grils" before the tarpaulin was raised?

>      Those that had lain at the edge, fell upon the hard ground,
>      breaking their heads upon [...] so that they weakened completely and
>      had no strength left to move.  The remaining [women] fell upon them,
>      pressing them down with their weight.  One heard [...] groans.
> 
>      Those that were dumped down later, began to extricate themselves from
>      the pile of bodies, stood [...] on their feet and tried to walk [...]
>      the ground, they trembled and jerked horribly with cold, they slowly
>      dragged themselves to the bunker, which was called Auskleidungsraum,
>      'undressing room' and to which steps led down, like to a cellar.
> 
>      The remainder [of the women] were taken down by men from the Kommando
>      who swiftly ran upstairs, raised the fainted victims, left without
>      help, extricated them carefully, crushed and barely breathing, from
>      the heap [of bodies] and led them quickly downstairs.  They were a
>      long time in the camp and knew that the bunker (the gas-chamber) was
>      the last step [leading] to death.
> 
>      But still they were very grateful, with their eyes begging for mercy
>      and with [the movements] of their trembling heads they expressed
>      their thanks, at the same time giving signs with their hands that
>      they were unable to speak.  They found solace in seeing tears of
>      compassion and [an expression] of depression [...] in the faces of
>      those who were leading them downstairs.  They were shaking with cold
>      and [...].

Did Steven Spielberg edit this? 

 
>      The women were taken downstairs, were permitted to sit down, the rest
>      of them were led into this [con]fined, cold room, they jerked
>      horribly and trembled with cold, [so] a coke stove was brought.  Only
>      some of them drew near enough to be able to feel the warmth emanating
>      from the small stove.  The rest sat, plunged in pain and sadness.  It
>      was cold but they were so resigned and embittered with their lives
>      that they thought with abhorrence of physical sensations of any
>      kind...  They were sitting far in the background and were silent.

This can't be true. The nazis brought a coke stove....

> 
> Lewentel then set down the story of a girl from the ghetto of Bedzin, who
> had been brought to Birkenau 'towards the end of the summer', and who now
> talked as she lay 'helpless':
> 
>      She was left the only one of a numerous family.  All the time she had
>      been working hard, was undernourished, suffered the cold.  Still, she
>      was in good health and was well.  She thought she would survive.
>      Eight days ago no Jewish child was allowed to go to work.  The order
>      came. 'Juden, antreten!' 'Jews, leave the ranks!' Then the blocks
>      were filled with Jewish girls.  During the selection nobody paid
>      attention whether they looked well or not, whetherh they were sick or
>      well.
> 
>      They were lined outside the block and later they were led to Block
>      25, there they were ordered to strip naked; [allegedly] they were to
>      be examined as to their health.  When they had stripped, all were
>      driven to three blocks; one thousand persons in a block and there
>      they were shut for three days and three nights, without getting a
>      drop of water or a crumb of bread, even.

And what was the purpose of this, then?

> 
>      So they had lived for three awful days and it was only the third
>      night that bread was brought; one loaf of bread weighing 1,40
>      kilogramme for sixteen persons, afterwards [...]
> 
>      'If they had shot us then, gassed us, it would have been better.
>      Many [women] lost consciousness and others were only semi-conscious.
>      They lay crowded on bunks, motionless, helpless.  Death would not
>      have impressed us at all then.
> 
>      'The fourth day we were lead from the block, the weakest were led to
>      the Krankenstube (infirmary), and the rest were again given the
>      normal camp ration of food and were left [...] were taken [...] to
>      [life].

What was the point of this? 

> 
>      'On the eighth day, that is five days later, we were again ordered to
>      strip naked, Blocksperre (permission for prisoners to leave the
>      blocks) was ordained.  Our clothes were at once loaded and we, after
>      many hours of waiting in the frost, were loaded into lorries and here
>      we were dumped down on the ground.  Such is the sad end of our
>      mistaken illusions.  We have been, evidently, cursed even in our
>      mothers' wombs, since such a sad end fell to our lot.'
> 
> The girl from Bedzin had finished her story.  As Lewental noted:
> 
>      She could no more pronounce the last words because her voice became
>      stifled with flowing [tears] [...] from [...] some women still tried
>      to wrench themselves away, they looked at our faces, seeking
>      compassion in them.
> 
>      One of us, standing aside and looking at the immensity of unhappiness
>      of those defenceless, tormented souls, could not master his feelings
>      and wept.
> 
>      One young girl then cried, 'Look, what I have lived yet to see before
>      my death: a look of compassion and tears shed because of our dreadful
>      fate.  Here, in the murderers' camp, where they torture and beat and
>      where they torment, where one sees murders and falling victims, here
>      where men have lost the consciousness of the greatest disasters,
>      here, where a brother or sister falls down in your sight, you cannot
>      even vouchsafe them a [farewell] sigh, a man is still found who took
>      to heart our horrible disaster and who expressed his sympathy with
>      tears.  Ah, this is wonderful, not natural.  The tears and sighs of a
>      living [man] will accompany us to our death, there is still somebody
>      who will weep for us.  And I thought we shall pass away like deserted
>      orphans.  The young man has given me some solace.  Amidst only
>      bandits and murderers I have seen, before my death, a man who still
>      feels.'
> 
>      She turned to the wall, propped her head against it and sobbed
>      quietly, pathetically.  She was deeply moved.  Many girls stood and
>      sat around, their heads bowed, and preserved a stubborn silence,
>      looked with deep revulsion at this base world and particularly at us.
> 
>      One of them spoke, 'I am still so young, I have really not
>      experienced anything in my life, why should death of this kind fall
>      to my lot?  Why?' She spoke very slowly in a faltering voice.  She
>      sighed heavily and proceeded, 'And one should like so much to live a
>      little bit longer.'
> 
>      Having finished, she fell into a state of melancholy reverie and
>      fixed her gaze on some distant point; fear of death emanated from her
>      wildly shining eyes.  Her companion regarded her with a sarcastic
>      smile, seh said, 'This happy hour of which I dreamed so much has come
>      at last.  When the heart is full of pain and suffering, when it is
>      oppressed by the criminal world, full of baseness and low corruption,
>      [full of] limitless evil, then life becomes so troublesome, so hard
>      and unbearable that one looks to death for rescue, for release.  The
>      nightmare, oppressing me, will vanish forever.  My tormented thoughts
>      will experience eternal rest.  How dear, how sweet is the death of
>      which one dreamed in the course of so many wakeful nights.'
> 
>      She spoke with fervour, with pathos and with dignity. 'I am only
>      sorry to sit here so naked, but to render death more sweet one must
>      pass throught that indignity, too.' A young emaciated girl lay aloof
>      and was moaning softly, 'I am ... dy...ing, I ... am dy...ing' [;] a
>      film was covering her eyes which turned this way and that [...], they
>      begged to live [...].
> 
>      A mother was sitting with her daughter, they both spoke in Polish.
>      She sat helplessly, spoke so softly that she could harldy be heard.
>      She was clasping the head of her daughter with her hands and hugging
>      her tightly. [She spoke] 'In an hour we both shall die.  What
>      tragedy.  My dearest, my last hope will die with you.' She sat [...]
>      immersed in thought, with wide open, dimmed eyes [...] threw [...]
>      around her so [...].
> 
>      After some minutes she came to and continued to speak, 'On account of
>      you my pain is so great that I am dying when I think of it.' She let
>      down her stiff arms and her daughter's head sank down upon her
>      mother's knees.
> 
>      A shiver passed through the body of the young girl, she called
>      desperately, 'Mamma!' And she spoke no more, those were her last
>      words.
> 
> The order was then given, as Lewental noted, to conduct the women 'into > 
the
> road leading to the crematorium'.  [3]"

An colourful tale. 

> 
> [3] Salmen Lewental notebook: Bezwinska and Czech, AMIDST A NIGHTMARE
> OF CRIME: MANUSCRIPTS OF MEMBERS OF SONDERKOMMANDO, Auschwitz-Oswiecim
> 1973, pages 142-5.
> 
> Extracted from--------------------------------------------------------
> "The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe During the Second
> World War", by Martin Gilbert, Henry Holt and Company, New York, 1985.
> (pp. 649-653)
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> 
> 

What a complete lot of bullshit.

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:19 PST 1996
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

> it never ceases to amaze me how deniers seem not to have the least grasp 
of the contexts in which events occur. take the example of Himmlers Posen 
speech......

.> As Mr Edeiken points out in another post the the Himmler speech exists as 
an audio recording.....

Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

Mr Morris adds here the question of  who retyped the pages of the 
original ?If they were not forgers and not simply SS clerical workers making 
corrections, how did they did get the same typewriter? Not a slimilar 
typewriter, the same typewriter.

The answer is the evidence indicates that we just dont know who retyped the 
pages of the original.  But we can suspect. And IMO I think it was the 
allies....

That the Himmler speech at Posen [ document PS-1919] contained words like 
the extermination of the Jewish race is as Arthur Butz points out is :- 
very weak.  The speech is unsigned and unendorsed. [1] 

 Morris goes on to say that I say that I say Hans Frank is speaking in code 
when in regard to a part of his diary. 

I think maybe that Mr Morris missed a later  posting when I clarified my 
words and I said that Frank ment what he said.

It is interesting  to continue with this subject, when Hans Frank, the 
Governor-general of [occupied] Poland says  in his testimony at  Nuremberg 
on 18th April 1946:
that on 7th February, 1944:-

In the presence of Bormann I put the question to [Hitler] him: "My Fuhrer, rumors about the extermination of the Jews will not be silenced. They are heard everywhere. No one is allowed in anywhere. Once I paid a surprise visit to Auschwitz in order to 
ee the camp, but I was told that there was an epidemic in the camp and my car was diverted before I got there. Tell me, My Fuhrer, is there anything in it?" The Fuhrer said, "You can very well 
imagine that there are executions going on - of insurgents. Apart from that 
I do not know anything. Why don't you speak to Heinrich Himmler about it?" 
And I said, "Well, Himmler made a speech to us in Krakow and declared in 
front of all the people whom I had officially called to the meeting that 
these rumors about the systematic extermination of the Jews were false, the 
Jews were merely being brought to the East." Thereupon the Fuhrer said: 
"Then you must believe that. "

[2]






1)cf  The Hoax of the 20th Century by Dr AR Butz page 194]
2) cf Did Six Million really die? by Barbara Kulaszka.  

Both books are available from:-
 
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.
  

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:20 PST 1996
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

in reference to what I said about an air photo of Birkenau of  
September 1944 where it is evident to a BLIND BAT that there are NO 
vents to insert Zyclon B pelets into a morgue which is alleged to be 
operating in the function of a "execution gas chamber", yet some one 
has drawn a thick line to repersent a wall in the WRONG place [1] 

>Or so I presume, as John Ball [An air Photo expert] says. but that 
begs several questions.Which Krema was photographed in September 1944? 
it makes a difference because only two of the four Birkenau Kremas had 
roof vents.If some forger has drawn in a wall in the wrong place, why 
didn't he simply draw in the missing roof vents instead?

In fact, there was a great deal of forgery. Roof vents marked in, 
inmates added, fences enlarged to walls, as John Ball says "more than 
80 lines and marks were carefully drawn on on the may to sept 1944 
negatives in order to look like: morgue roof vents, solid fnces, and 
groups of inmates, the changes were done when the U.S Central 
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A) had possession, and most probably in 1977."

The air photos of Auschwitz were taken from a range of 30,000 feet by 
the RAF. They cover [afaik] the entire Auschwitz complex. 
That is Auschwitz I, the main camp, Auschwitz II, Birkenau, and 
Auschwitz III, Monowitz. The photo of june 26th 1944, appears in 
Irvings Hitlers war. [2]  





The air photo is available from me Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk

It PROVES beyond all doubt that there were NO roof vents to insert 
Zyclon B pellets. It proves that the "Gassing" allegations are LIES.

The holocaust is propaganda FICTION churned out by the communists.



[1] AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE BY JOHN BALL
Available from: Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton Street,
Toronto,
Ontario M5A 2l1,
Canada. 
Cost $l5. 

[2] Hitlers war[1991] by David Irving
Available from: Focal point Publications,
Duke Street,
London, W1M 5DJ
UK
 
Cost 25. 



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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:21 PST 1996
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In article: <25JAN199609332883@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>  
dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:
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> From: dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
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> Subject: Re: A FRIENDLY ADDRESS TO ALL AMERICANS
> Date: 25 Jan 1996 09:33 MST
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> In article <329541457wnr@stumpy.demon.co.uk>, Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk 
writes...
> 
> >On this newsgroup normal rules don't apply, as Mr Karen said sometime 
ago.
> >Anybody who "denies" the Holocaust, bollocks that it is, will be be 
> >subjected to verbal abuse, threats, misrepresentations etc etc, to get 
him 
> >or her to get off the newsgroup. It is part of the tactics of Holocaust 
> >liars. They want to get you banned. The SWC don't give a fuck for the 
Magna 
> >Cartna, the US Consitution or any such crap. They can't argue or debate 
with 
> >the revisionist mouse, repression is their only answer. Holocaust 
> >liars have already got repression as standard in Germany and France.
> >They nearly succeded in the UK last year. In 1997, it will be 
"anti-racist" 
> >year when another attack will be launched on our ancestral freedoms here 
in 
> >the UK, under the guise of "European Community legislation".  
> >I say to you Americans, guard your freedoms! Once gone, they are gone 
> >forever......
> 
>     Actually, Stumpy, you have it quite wrong.
> 
>     [1] Please provide us with the Dr. Keren quote you hint at above.  I
>     stongly suspect you have twisted whatever it actually said, if there 
is
>     really a quote you are working from.  Dr. Keren has been consistent in
>     his use of verbal abuse, but I don't recall him giving threats or 
using
>     misrepresentations.  And I certainly don't recall him ever asserting
>     that such actions are kosher.

Mr Mittleman, Mr Keren did say that in this newgroup, that the normal rules 
don't apply. He DID NOT say that revisonists should be subjected to verbal 
abuse, threats, misrepresentations etc etc.
Indeed his actual words were "let the filthy scum speak."

>     [2] Actually, contrary to what you say, most of us don't want you
>     loonies banned.  First, we - in general - are believers in free >     
speech. 
>     Several regular posters here have repeatedly stated they are against
>     the free speech limitations in Germany, France and elsewhere.  Several
>     regular posters have stated they disagree with the SWC suggestion of
>     banning hate speech on the internet.  I am among those several. 

Thanks. I'm a loony. Good for you. Alas you don't make the rules....

>     Second, having the hate speech made here is rather helpful.  It is a
>     good environment for preparing and writing rebuttals.  It is a good
>     environment for cataloging and archiving who has said what.  It is a
>     good environment for rational debate (albeit much of the debate here  
>     is fairly irrational.)

Yeah that's right. Your side is just abuse. Wait until we are stronger....


> 
>     [3] The SWC built an argument that was consistent with First Amendment
>     rights.  Personally, I don't agree with their argument, but I did find
>     it logically consistent.

So the removal of my rights are logically consistent? 

> 
>     [4] The Holocaust revisionist movement is not an academic movement, a
>     historical movement, or a research movement in any way.  It is a
>     political movement designed to put forward a political agenda.  There
>     is no real evidence to suggest that the Holocaust did not take place. 

This is where you are mistaken. The Holocaust is political propaganda. the 
first opponent of the "holocaust", the first "denier" was Paul Rassinier, a 
french socialist who helped Jews and was sent to Buchenwald as a result. 
Another was Josef G Burg [Josef Ginsburg] a Jew from Rumania. 

The air photo of Sept 13th 1944 conclusively proves that they were NO vents 
to insert Gas pellets into the morgue, to "gas" jews. 

>     Or at least no evidence that stands up to the least bit of scrutiny 
>     has ever been presented.  The leaders of this revisionist movement 
>     know that full well.  They also know that engaging in a "big lie"
>     about the matter will further their political agenda.  If you are 
>     asserting the  Holocaust did not take place then you are either one of 
>     the leaders engaging in a "big lie" (like Raven), or you are one of 
>     the ignorant dupes (like Moran) who is a victim of this "big lie" 
>     program.  There really ani't any other camp for you to be in, Stumpy.


Well, Dan, someone must be lying. But I'm afraid it's the gassers. The 
holocaust is complete propaganda. You are losing, eg:-

At Auschwitz.

1945 4 million people claimed killed by the communists by co-efficents[?].

Year 1989: 938,000 [Pressac]
-of whom 200,000 to 250,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1993: 630,000 
- of whom 320,000 were Hungarian Jews.

Year 1994: 550,000 
- of whom 80,000 to 160,000 to 470,000 were Hungarian Jews.

So, from 1989 to 1994, Jean-Claude Pressac has thus reduced the number of 
homicidally gassed Jews [at Auschwitz] by 50% from 938,000 to 470,000!

[source Carlo Mottogno's Article]


Check out:- 

"Auschwitz:The End of a Legend"

by Carlo Mottogno

Available from : The Institute for Historical Review
                  PO Box 2739
                  Newport Beach
                  CA 92659   
                  America 

It's shrinking Dan. Don't shrink with it.

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:22 PST 1996
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In article:   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) 
writes:

> Anyway, Roberts should know that Irving now says four million 
> Jews died in the Holocaust, which is why revisionazis
> have stopped quoting him... poor old Roberts is still posting 
> the same articles he posted before Irving made that statement,
> however.
> 

"Irving now says four million Jews died in the Holocaust"
says Keren. 



Let's see a reference, you schmuck. 



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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:22:23 PST 1996
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

in reference to what I said about an air photo of Birkenau of  
September 1944 where it is evident to a BLIND BAT that there are NO 
vents to insert Zyclon B pelets into a morgue which is alleged to be 
operating in the function of a "execution gas chamber", yet some one 
has drawn a thick line to repersent a wall in the WRONG place [1] 

>Or so I presume, as John Ball [An air Photo expert] says. but that 
begs several questions.Which Krema was photographed in September 1944? 
it makes a difference because only two of the four Birkenau Kremas had 
roof vents.If some forger has drawn in a wall in the wrong place, why 
didn't he simply draw in the missing roof vents instead?

In fact, there was a great deal of forgery. Roof vents marked in, 
inmates added, fences enlarged to walls, as John Ball says "more than 
80 lines and marks were carefully drawn on on the may to sept 1944 
negatives in order to look like: morgue roof vents, solid fnces, and 
groups of inmates, the changes were done when the U.S Central 
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A) had possession, and most probably in 1977."

The air photos of Auschwitz were taken from a range of 30,000 feet by 
the RAF. They cover [afaik] the entire Auschwitz complex. 
That is Auschwitz I, the main camp, Auschwitz II, Birkenau, and 
Auschwitz III, Monowitz. The photo of june 26th 1944, appears in 
Irvings Hitlers war. [2]  





The air photo is available from me Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk

It PROVES beyond all doubt that there were NO roof vents to insert 
Zyclon B pellets. It proves that the "Gassing" allegations are LIES.

The holocaust is propaganda FICTION churned out by the communists.



[1] AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE BY JOHN BALL
Available from: Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton Street,
Toronto,
Ontario M5A 2l1,
Canada. 
Cost $l5. 

[2] Hitlers war[1991] by David Irving
Available from: Focal point Publications,
Duke Street,
London, W1M 5DJ
UK
 
Cost 25. 



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In article: <4e8eej$vji@zippy.cais.net>  tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) 
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> 	Under "A FRIENDLY ADDRESS TO AMERICANS" it is recollected that you
> once said something like, revisionists "will be subjected to verbal
> abuse, threats, misinterpretations etc., etc.?
> 
> 
> 
Tom, 

No, he didn't say that. He said that that the normal rules don't apply in 
this newsgroup, which appears in the previous sentence.

But he is abusive. 

But, I don't think he is a nasty person.

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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

> it never ceases to amaze me how deniers seem not to have the least grasp 
of the contexts in which events occur. take the example of Himmlers Posen 
speech......

.> As Mr Edeiken points out in another post the the Himmler speech exists as 
an audio recording.....

Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

Mr Morris adds here the question of  who retyped the pages of the 
original ?If they were not forgers and not simply SS clerical workers making 
corrections, how did they did get the same typewriter? Not a slimilar 
typewriter, the same typewriter.

The answer is the evidence indicates that we just dont know who retyped the 
pages of the original.  But we can suspect. And IMO I think it was the 
allies....

That the Himmler speech at Posen [ document PS-1919] contained words like 
the extermination of the Jewish race is as Arthur Butz points out is :- 
very weak.  The speech is unsigned and unendorsed. [1] 

 Morris goes on to say that I say that I say Hans Frank is speaking in code 
when in regard to a part of his diary. 

I think maybe that Mr Morris missed a later  posting when I clarified my 
words and I said that Frank ment what he said.

It is interesting  to continue with this subject, when Hans Frank, the 
Governor-general of [occupied] Poland says  in his testimony at  Nuremberg 
on 18th April 1946:
that on 7th February, 1944:-

In the presence of Bormann I put the question to [Hitler] him: "My Fuhrer, rumors about the extermination of the Jews will not be silenced. They are heard everywhere. No one is allowed in anywhere. Once I paid a surprise visit to Auschwitz in order to 
ee the camp, but I was told that there was an epidemic in the camp and my car was diverted before I got there. Tell me, My Fuhrer, is there anything in it?" The Fuhrer said, "You can very well 
imagine that there are executions going on - of insurgents. Apart from that 
I do not know anything. Why don't you speak to Heinrich Himmler about it?" 
And I said, "Well, Himmler made a speech to us in Krakow and declared in 
front of all the people whom I had officially called to the meeting that 
these rumors about the systematic extermination of the Jews were false, the 
Jews were merely being brought to the East." Thereupon the Fuhrer said: 
"Then you must believe that. "

[2]






1)cf  The Hoax of the 20th Century by Dr AR Butz page 194]
2) cf Did Six Million really die? by Barbara Kulaszka.  

Both books are available from:-
 
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.
  

-- 
Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 26 15:24:41 PST 1996
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

in reference to what I said about an air photo of Birkenau of  
September 1944 where it is evident to a BLIND BAT that there are NO 
vents to insert Zyclon B pelets into a morgue which is alleged to be 
operating in the function of a "execution gas chamber", yet some one 
has drawn a thick line to repersent a wall in the WRONG place [1] 

>Or so I presume, as John Ball [An air Photo expert] says. but that 
begs several questions.Which Krema was photographed in September 1944? 
it makes a difference because only two of the four Birkenau Kremas had 
roof vents.If some forger has drawn in a wall in the wrong place, why 
didn't he simply draw in the missing roof vents instead?

In fact, there was a great deal of forgery. Roof vents marked in, 
inmates added, fences enlarged to walls, as John Ball says "more than 
80 lines and marks were carefully drawn on on the may to sept 1944 
negatives in order to look like: morgue roof vents, solid fnces, and 
groups of inmates, the changes were done when the U.S Central 
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A) had possession, and most probably in 1977."

The air photos of Auschwitz were taken from a range of 30,000 feet by 
the RAF. They cover [afaik] the entire Auschwitz complex. 
That is Auschwitz I, the main camp, Auschwitz II, Birkenau, and 
Auschwitz III, Monowitz. The photo of june 26th 1944, appears in 
Irvings Hitlers war. [2]  





The air photo is available from me Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk

It PROVES beyond all doubt that there were NO roof vents to insert 
Zyclon B pellets. It proves that the "Gassing" allegations are LIES.

The holocaust is propaganda FICTION churned out by the communists.



[1] AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE BY JOHN BALL
Available from: Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton Street,
Toronto,
Ontario M5A 2l1,
Canada. 
Cost $l5. 

[2] Hitlers war[1991] by David Irving
Available from: Focal point Publications,
Duke Street,
London, W1M 5DJ
UK
 
Cost 25. 



-- 
Jeff
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                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 21:43:57 PST 1996
Article: 16242 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: Re: What ROsenburger cries out when he is attacked by them nasty nazis...
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In article: <4dv3tl$1bm@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU>  
baitoven@ftoomsh.socs.uts.edu.au (Alister Air) writes:
> Path: 
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> From: baitoven@ftoomsh.socs.uts.edu.au (Alister Air)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power
> Subject: Re: What ROsenburger cries out when he is attacked by them nasty 
nazis...
> Followup-To: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power
> Date: 22 Jan 1996 04:30:45 GMT
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> References:  <4c7h0p$gq8@daryl.scsn.net> 
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> 
> 
>  Ron  writes:
> 
> : One thing is for sure, the HTML on McOyVay's site is lousy, and 
> : the graphic sucks.
> 
> That is (unsurprisingly) not true.  The HTML is correct.  It is
> not that hard to write correct HTML.  All tags that I noted were
> correctly applied, there was no inconsistancy that I found, and
> the page loaded correctly, first time.
> 
> Many web browsers (whether using Netscape or other) turn auto-image
> loading off.  This makes graphics to some extent superfluous.  Take
> a look at the good sites... they use graphics to enhance their pages,
> not to be their pages.
> 
> Incidently, one day when I was feeling bored I submitted the Nizkor
> page to an HTML checker... and it came up pretty good... Try it yourself
> if you want to.
> 
> And if you doubt my ability to commect on HTML you're welcome to take 
> a look at the 40 or so separate pages I've written, and you're welcome
> to comment to the three companies that have hired me to set pages up
> for them.
> 
> --
>    +-----------------------------+------------------------------------+
>    | Alister Air                 | "People that are really very wierd |
>    | Information Studies student | can get into sensitive positions   |
>    | University of Technology    | and have a tremendous impact on    |
>    | Sydney --==> Australia      | history." <==-- Danforth J Quayle  |
>    +----------+------------------+----------------------+-------------+
> 	      |	http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~baitoven |
> 	      +-----------------------------------------+
> 

Any tips on using GIF images? Such as opt size, general problems, resolution 
etc
I've been told that some GIF files created by certain packages won't work. 
Is that true?
 

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 21:43:58 PST 1996
Article: 16257 of alt.politics.white-power
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

> it never ceases to amaze me how deniers seem not to have the least grasp 
of the contexts in which events occur. take the example of Himmlers Posen 
speech......

.> As Mr Edeiken points out in another post the the Himmler speech exists as 
an audio recording.....

Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

Mr Morris adds here the question of  who retyped the pages of the 
original ?If they were not forgers and not simply SS clerical workers making 
corrections, how did they did get the same typewriter? Not a slimilar 
typewriter, the same typewriter.

The answer is the evidence indicates that we just dont know who retyped the 
pages of the original.  But we can suspect. And IMO I think it was the 
allies....

That the Himmler speech at Posen [ document PS-1919] contained words like 
the extermination of the Jewish race is as Arthur Butz points out is :- 
very weak.  The speech is unsigned and unendorsed. [1] 

 Morris goes on to say that I say that I say Hans Frank is speaking in code 
when in regard to a part of his diary. 

I think maybe that Mr Morris missed a later  posting when I clarified my 
words and I said that Frank ment what he said.

It is interesting  to continue with this subject, when Hans Frank, the 
Governor-general of [occupied] Poland says  in his testimony at  Nuremberg 
on 18th April 1946:
that on 7th February, 1944:-

In the presence of Bormann I put the question to [Hitler] him: "My Fuhrer, rumors about the extermination of the Jews will not be silenced. They are heard everywhere. No one is allowed in anywhere. Once I paid a surprise visit to Auschwitz in order to 
ee the camp, but I was told that there was an epidemic in the camp and my car was diverted before I got there. Tell me, My Fuhrer, is there anything in it?" The Fuhrer said, "You can very well 
imagine that there are executions going on - of insurgents. Apart from that 
I do not know anything. Why don't you speak to Heinrich Himmler about it?" 
And I said, "Well, Himmler made a speech to us in Krakow and declared in 
front of all the people whom I had officially called to the meeting that 
these rumors about the systematic extermination of the Jews were false, the 
Jews were merely being brought to the East." Thereupon the Fuhrer said: 
"Then you must believe that. "

[2]






1)cf  The Hoax of the 20th Century by Dr AR Butz page 194]
2) cf Did Six Million really die? by Barbara Kulaszka.  

Both books are available from:-
 
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.
  

-- 
Jeff
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            In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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-- 
Jeff
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                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 21:43:59 PST 1996
Article: 16258 of alt.politics.white-power
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

in reference to what I said about an air photo of Birkenau of  
September 1944 where it is evident to a BLIND BAT that there are NO 
vents to insert Zyclon B pelets into a morgue which is alleged to be 
operating in the function of a "execution gas chamber", yet some one 
has drawn a thick line to repersent a wall in the WRONG place [1] 

>Or so I presume, as John Ball [An air Photo expert] says. but that 
begs several questions.Which Krema was photographed in September 1944? 
it makes a difference because only two of the four Birkenau Kremas had 
roof vents.If some forger has drawn in a wall in the wrong place, why 
didn't he simply draw in the missing roof vents instead?

In fact, there was a great deal of forgery. Roof vents marked in, 
inmates added, fences enlarged to walls, as John Ball says "more than 
80 lines and marks were carefully drawn on on the may to sept 1944 
negatives in order to look like: morgue roof vents, solid fnces, and 
groups of inmates, the changes were done when the U.S Central 
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A) had possession, and most probably in 1977."

The air photos of Auschwitz were taken from a range of 30,000 feet by 
the RAF. They cover [afaik] the entire Auschwitz complex. 
That is Auschwitz I, the main camp, Auschwitz II, Birkenau, and 
Auschwitz III, Monowitz. The photo of june 26th 1944, appears in 
Irvings Hitlers war. [2]  





The air photo is available from me Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk

It PROVES beyond all doubt that there were NO roof vents to insert 
Zyclon B pellets. It proves that the "Gassing" allegations are LIES.

The holocaust is propaganda FICTION churned out by the communists.



[1] AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE BY JOHN BALL
Available from: Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton Street,
Toronto,
Ontario M5A 2l1,
Canada. 
Cost $l5. 

[2] Hitlers war[1991] by David Irving
Available from: Focal point Publications,
Duke Street,
London, W1M 5DJ
UK
 
Cost 25. 



-- 
Jeff
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                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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-- 
Jeff
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                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 09:22:27 PST 1996
Article: 28612 of soc.culture.jewish
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

> it never ceases to amaze me how deniers seem not to have the least grasp 
of the contexts in which events occur. take the example of Himmlers Posen 
speech......

.> As Mr Edeiken points out in another post the the Himmler speech exists as 
an audio recording.....

Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

Mr Morris adds here the question of  who retyped the pages of the 
original ?If they were not forgers and not simply SS clerical workers making 
corrections, how did they did get the same typewriter? Not a slimilar 
typewriter, the same typewriter.

The answer is the evidence indicates that we just dont know who retyped the 
pages of the original.  But we can suspect. And IMO I think it was the 
allies....

That the Himmler speech at Posen [ document PS-1919] contained words like 
the extermination of the Jewish race is as Arthur Butz points out is :- 
very weak.  The speech is unsigned and unendorsed. [1] 

 Morris goes on to say that I say that I say Hans Frank is speaking in code 
when in regard to a part of his diary. 

I think maybe that Mr Morris missed a later  posting when I clarified my 
words and I said that Frank ment what he said.

It is interesting  to continue with this subject, when Hans Frank, the 
Governor-general of [occupied] Poland says  in his testimony at  Nuremberg 
on 18th April 1946:
that on 7th February, 1944:-

In the presence of Bormann I put the question to [Hitler] him: "My Fuhrer, rumors about the extermination of the Jews will not be silenced. They are heard everywhere. No one is allowed in anywhere. Once I paid a surprise visit to Auschwitz in order to 
ee the camp, but I was told that there was an epidemic in the camp and my car was diverted before I got there. Tell me, My Fuhrer, is there anything in it?" The Fuhrer said, "You can very well 
imagine that there are executions going on - of insurgents. Apart from that 
I do not know anything. Why don't you speak to Heinrich Himmler about it?" 
And I said, "Well, Himmler made a speech to us in Krakow and declared in 
front of all the people whom I had officially called to the meeting that 
these rumors about the systematic extermination of the Jews were false, the 
Jews were merely being brought to the East." Thereupon the Fuhrer said: 
"Then you must believe that. "

[2]






1)cf  The Hoax of the 20th Century by Dr AR Butz page 194]
2) cf Did Six Million really die? by Barbara Kulaszka.  

Both books are available from:-
 
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.
  

-- 
Jeff
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            In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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-- 
Jeff
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            In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 09:22:29 PST 1996
Article: 28613 of soc.culture.jewish
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

in reference to what I said about an air photo of Birkenau of  
September 1944 where it is evident to a BLIND BAT that there are NO 
vents to insert Zyclon B pelets into a morgue which is alleged to be 
operating in the function of a "execution gas chamber", yet some one 
has drawn a thick line to repersent a wall in the WRONG place [1] 

>Or so I presume, as John Ball [An air Photo expert] says. but that 
begs several questions.Which Krema was photographed in September 1944? 
it makes a difference because only two of the four Birkenau Kremas had 
roof vents.If some forger has drawn in a wall in the wrong place, why 
didn't he simply draw in the missing roof vents instead?

In fact, there was a great deal of forgery. Roof vents marked in, 
inmates added, fences enlarged to walls, as John Ball says "more than 
80 lines and marks were carefully drawn on on the may to sept 1944 
negatives in order to look like: morgue roof vents, solid fnces, and 
groups of inmates, the changes were done when the U.S Central 
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A) had possession, and most probably in 1977."

The air photos of Auschwitz were taken from a range of 30,000 feet by 
the RAF. They cover [afaik] the entire Auschwitz complex. 
That is Auschwitz I, the main camp, Auschwitz II, Birkenau, and 
Auschwitz III, Monowitz. The photo of june 26th 1944, appears in 
Irvings Hitlers war. [2]  





The air photo is available from me Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk

It PROVES beyond all doubt that there were NO roof vents to insert 
Zyclon B pellets. It proves that the "Gassing" allegations are LIES.

The holocaust is propaganda FICTION churned out by the communists.



[1] AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE BY JOHN BALL
Available from: Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton Street,
Toronto,
Ontario M5A 2l1,
Canada. 
Cost $l5. 

[2] Hitlers war[1991] by David Irving
Available from: Focal point Publications,
Duke Street,
London, W1M 5DJ
UK
 
Cost 25. 



-- 
Jeff
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            In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.
                   Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)

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Jeff
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From Jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 28 11:55:13 PST 1996
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Subject: RUMORS ABOUT GENOCIDE WERE FALSE SAID HIMMLER
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:06:39 GMT
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In an article  <4b4h3b$cbm@pulp.ucs.alberta.ca> in which  
  (John Morris) posted before Christmass, he 
says:-

> it never ceases to amaze me how deniers seem not to have the least grasp 
of the contexts in which events occur. take the example of Himmlers Posen 
speech......

.> As Mr Edeiken points out in another post the the Himmler speech exists as 
an audio recording.....

Wrong, the Himmler speech exists as an partial audio recording :  [cf 
Reitlinger, the Jewish Antique dealer who wrote the anti-german and 
defamatory book  called The Final Solution  [1968] page 317]   

Mr Morris adds here the question of  who retyped the pages of the 
original ?If they were not forgers and not simply SS clerical workers making 
corrections, how did they did get the same typewriter? Not a slimilar 
typewriter, the same typewriter.

The answer is the evidence indicates that we just dont know who retyped the 
pages of the original.  But we can suspect. And IMO I think it was the 
allies....

That the Himmler speech at Posen [ document PS-1919] contained words like 
the extermination of the Jewish race is as Arthur Butz points out is :- 
very weak.  The speech is unsigned and unendorsed. [1] 

 Morris goes on to say that I say that I say Hans Frank is speaking in code 
when in regard to a part of his diary. 

I think maybe that Mr Morris missed a later  posting when I clarified my 
words and I said that Frank ment what he said.

It is interesting  to continue with this subject, when Hans Frank, the 
Governor-general of [occupied] Poland says  in his testimony at  Nuremberg 
on 18th April 1946:
that on 7th February, 1944:-

In the presence of Bormann I put the question to [Hitler] him: "My Fuhrer, rumors about the extermination of the Jews will not be silenced. They are heard everywhere. No one is allowed in anywhere. Once I paid a surprise visit to Auschwitz in order to 
ee the camp, but I was told that there was an epidemic in the camp and my car was diverted before I got there. Tell me, My Fuhrer, is there anything in it?" The Fuhrer said, "You can very well 
imagine that there are executions going on - of insurgents. Apart from that 
I do not know anything. Why don't you speak to Heinrich Himmler about it?" 
And I said, "Well, Himmler made a speech to us in Krakow and declared in 
front of all the people whom I had officially called to the meeting that 
these rumors about the systematic extermination of the Jews were false, the 
Jews were merely being brought to the East." Thereupon the Fuhrer said: 
"Then you must believe that. "

[2]






1)cf  The Hoax of the 20th Century by Dr AR Butz page 194]
2) cf Did Six Million really die? by Barbara Kulaszka.  

Both books are available from:-
 
The Institute of Historical Review PO Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA.
  

-- 
Jeff
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