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From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:43:54 GMT
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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:28:49 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>       I reserve the right to respond to any post that in any manner mentions
>me in any manner.

>       I will continue to do so until this crap stops.  

>       That is not a problem with me in the least.  This can become a spam
>conference as I control it (as has been publically acknowledged) or it
>will get down to cases on my terms.  

>       There is nothing in between.  

>       I hope you folks come to understand this.  

Matt Giwer announces his intention to destroy discussion on
alt.revisionism until such as time as the discussion is entirely on
his terms.

I have to ask: where are all our free speech advocates in all this?

Why have free speech advocates David Thomas, Jean-Francois Beaulieu,
and Tom Moran publicly defended this practise? Where is Richard
Widmann with his thought crime archive? Where are all the revisionists
who complain so long and loud about censorship?

Is this the Open Debate on the Holocaust that we have all been waiting
for?

Matt Giwer announces his intention to prevent discussion and not a
peep out of our free speech advocates?

Your silence is telling. Your hypocrisy is appalling.

Posted and e-mailed.

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From: dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
Date: 23 Jun 1996 20:37:02 -0400
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John Morris wrote:

>Matt Giwer announces his intention to destroy discussion on
>alt.revisionism until such as time as the discussion is entirely on
>his terms.

His terms seem to me to be discussion of topics, not personalities.  I'd
support that aim regardless of who was promoting it.  I wouldn't choose
the labor intensive method that he has, but appealing to reason and
civility didn't do a damned thing when I tried that approach, so who am I
to second-guess?

"Spamming," unless I misunderstand the term (which could be the case) does
not seem to apply to what is going on here, even if Mr. Giwer uses the
term himself.

Some people here need to grow up and take their own advice.  If you don't
like his posts, don't read them.
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From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:43:09 GMT
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:31:44 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:

[snip]

>>Matt Giwer announces his intention to destroy discussion on
>>alt.revisionism until such as time as the discussion is entirely on
>>his terms.

>>I have to ask: where are all our free speech advocates in all this?

>       You should have asked my terms instead.  But then you are able to read
>as you know my terms are stated in what you quote.  

I see. I will be allowed to be heard about the din of your spam
flooding only if I agree to post on your terms. Thanks for sharing
this, Mr. Free Speech.

[snip]

>       It is also not the place for the Gang of Six to try to silence people
>who do not have the correct beliefs.  

You have named me as a member of this so-called "Gang of Six" on
several occasions in the past. If you could demonstrate that I have
made any effort to silence you, you would post it. You make this
accusation, but you never back it up.

>>Matt Giwer announces his intention to prevent discussion and not a
>>peep out of our free speech advocates?

>       When did you suddenly take an interest in the subject?  

>>Your silence is telling. Your hypocrisy is appalling.

>       Your squealing is deafening.  

On the contrary, I take it as a sign of the utter bankruptcy of
Revisionism that you personally have to resort to such tactics as
flooding this newsgroup with meaningless posts, and that Revisionists
not only will not speak out against such tactics, but openly support
them.

Sorry, but you've lost already.

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From: Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
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In article <31cb3e62.26221548@news.srv.ualberta.ca> John Morris 
wrote:
>Matt Giwer announces his intention to destroy discussion on
>alt.revisionism until such as time as the discussion is entirely 
on
>his terms.
>
When has any true discussion been possible on alt.revisionism?  If 
Matt sets out to destroy the hypocrisy, the witchhunts, and the 
mudslinging, I say, "Destruction is a creative passion."  (credit 
must be given to Mr. Bakunin for the quote and to Mr. Giwer for his 
intentions!)

>
>I have to ask: where are all our free speech advocates in all 
this?
>

> Where is Richard
>Widmann with his thought crime archive? 

To be exact: 
http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/thoughtcrimes/thoughtcrimes.html

>
>Your silence is telling. (bla bla bla)
>
Why don't we discuss revisionism?  Isn't that what this newsgroup 
is supposed to be for?  Certain individuals make it appear like the 
staging ground for a new inquisition.



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From: jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:00:41 GMT
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On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:28:17, Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann) wrote:


>In article <31cb3e62.26221548@news.srv.ualberta.ca> John Morris 
>wrote:

>>Matt Giwer announces his intention to destroy discussion on
>>alt.revisionism until such as time as the discussion is entirely
>>on his terms.

>When has any true discussion been possible on alt.revisionism?

Any time you care to post. If your arguments cannot withstand
criticism, then they are not much as arguments.

>                                                           If 
>Matt sets out to destroy the hypocrisy, the witchhunts, and the 
>mudslinging, I say, "Destruction is a creative passion."  (credit 
>must be given to Mr. Bakunin for the quote and to Mr. Giwer for his 
>intentions!)

I would be interested in hearing your explanation of how Mr. Giwer's
six month long history of lies, evasions, and insults destroys
anything but the remaining credibility of the Revisionist movement.

[snip]

>Why don't we discuss revisionism?  Isn't that what this newsgroup 
>is supposed to be for?  Certain individuals make it appear like the 
>staging ground for a new inquisition.

I see revisionism discussed here every day, though I daresay, the
caliber of Revisionist posts is not what it once was. What you seem to
be asking for is a newsgroup where you can discuss Revisionism without
being challenged. What kind of truth is it that requires spam-flooding
to protect it?

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From: dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Deniers' True Colours (was Re: Lets get this straight)
Date: 23 Jun 1996 21:04:47 -0400
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John Morris wrote:

>What you seem to
>be asking for is a newsgroup where you can discuss Revisionism without
>being challenged.

That is utter nonsense.  What he and others are demanding, not asking for,
is a forum where discussions can take place free from personal attacks.
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