From ncrccjc@.ibm.net Wed Aug 2 17:02:25 PDT 1995 Article: 24855 of alt.revisionism Path: news.port.island.net!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!usenet From: ncrccjc@.ibm.net Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: >>>> Canadian Revisionist BBS <<<<< Now over 280 users!!!! Date: Tue, 01 Aug 95 13:46:44 PDT Lines: 64 Message-ID:References: <3vd4l2$15q@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip152-67.on.ca.ibm.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage > ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote: > > > > > >> Marc (k?) Lemire in his constant attempt to sell his white supremacist junk > >writes: > >> > >> > >> > >> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! > >> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house > >> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance > >> > >> > >> Now for the truth. In fact, the so-called "Jewish Armed Resistance" existed > >in the USA till 1989. It has not been heard from since. The "Jewish Armed > >Resistance" NEVER existed in Canada. Lemire's claim that Zundel's home was "lit > >on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance" is (as is common to white supremacist > >types) completely false. Unless ofcourse Lemire has information which he has > >not shared with the police. This type of false posting clearly demonstrates the > >type of BBS run by Lemire. > > Unless you have been on my BBS any ideas you have about it are just > conjecture. > > As for me lieing about the Jewish Armed Resistance. Are you also > going to say that the Toronto Sun is lieing? They are the one's who > piublished the story. > > In case you didn't know the reporter who wrote the story Bill Dunphy > is by no means a friend of the Right. > > And from his statements he said that he traced the call from the > person who claimed responsibility for the firbombing back to an > offshoot of the Jewish Defence League. He got the number from his > call display screen. > > What are you going to say now. That a Zundel supporter broke in to > the Jewish Defence Leagues building and made the call? > > I think the facts are hitting you right in the face. Open your eyes > and look at them. > > You seem to look at FACTS like McVay does. Unless they support your > arguement they are not facts. > > Marc Lemire > Now for the truth. Lemire is referring to an article which appeared in the Toronto Sun on May 9,1995. In fact an unidentified caller claimed responsibility for the fire stating he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance. Dunphy DID NOT have a call display instead the caller LEFT A PHONE NUMBER which was checked by Dunphy and found to be that of an off-shoot of the JDL. This is a far cry from Lemire's claim that the number appeared on Dunphy's call display. Just another example of how Holocaust deniers bastardize the truth. From cpn@inforamp.net Wed Aug 9 08:00:29 PDT 1995 Article: 30589 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 07:31:56 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 84 Message-ID: <4073qp$14o@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> Reply-To: cpn@inforamp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote: >In article <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! >> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house >> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance >Mr. Lemire, what purpose do you serve by continuing to make >this unsupportable claim? UNSUPPORTED CLAIM????? Are you crazy.... I have answered you publically, via E-mail and also other users on my own BBS, so it is only unsupported in your closed mind kenny-boy >You know, for a _fact_, that no charges have been laid in the Zundel >arson. That mean really nothing. It has only been a month or so, give the police time to collect enough evidence to charge the people responsible >You know, for a _fact_, that no suspects have been identified. NO I don't since I am not privy to FBI and local Toronto Police files. Just because no suspects have been show on TV means nothing, and you dalm well know that. >You know, for a _fact_, that no warrants have been issued. >And yet, in spite of your knowing these _facts_, you continue to >make this claim. That's called _lying_, Mr. Lemire, and, given your >recent (and equally unsupportable) lie about the contents of the Leuchter >BBS file, one can only assume that you have no compunction when it comes >to libeling individuals or groups of people. Gee you really like to use the word Liar 'eh Kenny-Boy? maybe you should look in the mirror since allmost all of this file is crap that I have answered. So read the responses, and Answer them bud >In short, you lie when it suits you, and you lie knowing full well >that your lies can (and will) be exposed before the net. Actually it seem like YOUR lies are the ones exposes, IE The fake Leuchter BBS file and also the claims about Hoess. >Or perhaps your particular political beliefs include a justice system >based upon hearsay and idle speculation? Perhaps you have no respect >for rules of evidence in a free society, preferring instead to make them >up as you go along? Hmmmm... .You seem to be the one who likes to make up lie Mr. McVay. >Is that how you justify your lies, Mr. Lemire? If not, please tell us >how you _do_ justify your lies.. I justify them with truths. Can you prove that Leuchter is a Sex Pervert? Your Humble truth seeker..... Marc Lemire [huge sig deleted] From cpn@inforamp.net Wed Aug 9 12:17:37 PDT 1995 Article: 30589 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 07:31:56 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 84 Message-ID: <4073qp$14o@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> Reply-To: cpn@inforamp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote: >In article <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! >> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house >> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance >Mr. Lemire, what purpose do you serve by continuing to make >this unsupportable claim? UNSUPPORTED CLAIM????? Are you crazy.... I have answered you publically, via E-mail and also other users on my own BBS, so it is only unsupported in your closed mind kenny-boy >You know, for a _fact_, that no charges have been laid in the Zundel >arson. That mean really nothing. It has only been a month or so, give the police time to collect enough evidence to charge the people responsible >You know, for a _fact_, that no suspects have been identified. NO I don't since I am not privy to FBI and local Toronto Police files. Just because no suspects have been show on TV means nothing, and you dalm well know that. >You know, for a _fact_, that no warrants have been issued. >And yet, in spite of your knowing these _facts_, you continue to >make this claim. That's called _lying_, Mr. Lemire, and, given your >recent (and equally unsupportable) lie about the contents of the Leuchter >BBS file, one can only assume that you have no compunction when it comes >to libeling individuals or groups of people. Gee you really like to use the word Liar 'eh Kenny-Boy? maybe you should look in the mirror since allmost all of this file is crap that I have answered. So read the responses, and Answer them bud >In short, you lie when it suits you, and you lie knowing full well >that your lies can (and will) be exposed before the net. Actually it seem like YOUR lies are the ones exposes, IE The fake Leuchter BBS file and also the claims about Hoess. >Or perhaps your particular political beliefs include a justice system >based upon hearsay and idle speculation? Perhaps you have no respect >for rules of evidence in a free society, preferring instead to make them >up as you go along? Hmmmm... .You seem to be the one who likes to make up lie Mr. McVay. >Is that how you justify your lies, Mr. Lemire? If not, please tell us >how you _do_ justify your lies.. I justify them with truths. Can you prove that Leuchter is a Sex Pervert? Your Humble truth seeker..... Marc Lemire [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@inforamp.net Wed Aug 9 12:18:08 PDT 1995 Article: 30616 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!usenet From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Response to Jeffy Brown Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 14:43:41 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 325 Message-ID: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> Reply-To: cpn@inforamp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11701 alt.revisionism:30616 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12127 can.politics:71730 alt.skinheads:25086 To: jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) Subject: Re: More lies from Lemire >cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote: > >>>>>Mr. Lemire also lies when he claims that "Jewish terrorists" or > >>>>HAAHAHAH.. we already went over this Ken.. Nice try though. But since >>>>Ken was a little sleepy that day we'll do it again. >>>> >>>>Firstly The TORONTO SUN ran the article about Zundel's house being >>>>tourched by the Jewish Armed Resistance. The way the reporter of that >>>>story BILL DUNPHY came across that story was because he got a phone >>>>call by a person claiming to be from the JAR. Mr. Dunphy then traced >>>>the number he got off his call display back to an offshoot of the >>>>Jewish Defence League (Called a terrorist group by the FBI) > >>>Mr. Dunphy did not use call display. You are lying. The caller gave him a >>>number, which he then called. > >>I am almost certain he got it from call display. > >First, you claim that "Dunphy then traced the number he got off his >call display back to an offshoot of the Jewish Defence League". >Challenged on this, you now backpedal to "I am almost certain he got >it from call display". > >Which is it, Lemire? The first statement was an absolute assertion. >The second is weasel words. Have you _any_ direct evidence at all that >any caller ID display was involved? Actually I never gave in to Mr. McVays claim that Dunphy did not use call display. I simply said that I would agree for the sake of arguement. >> But for the sake of >>arguement, say he called the number back and continued the interview, >>that is still proof that the call was from an offshoot of the Jewish >>Defence League. > >Absolute rubbish. "For the sake of arguement (sic)" does not equate to >"proof", Lemire. Do you have _any_ direct evidence that Dunphy _did_ >call the number back and continue the interview? Any at all? Have you >asked Dunphy? No I have not personally asked Mr. Dunphy about this call display controversy. But from good sources to which Mr. Dunphy talks to ... Yes He got it from call display. If you were from Toronto, you would know that Mr. Dunphy HATES the right wing, and would certainly not do a nice story on any of us. So if an opportunity like this came along to him... I am sure that Mr. Dunphy would check and double check before publishing the story. >Let us imagine an alternate scenario. Let us assume that Joe >Knuckledragger reads of the burning of Zundel's house. Being a good >little Nazi-wannabe, he calls the Toronto Star and puts on his best >Jewish Accent: "Oy vay, the commandos of the Jewish Armed Resistance, >telephone number 555-1234, burned down dat rat Zundel's house." > >This is one possible explanation for the events related. What evidence >do you have that disproves this scenario? (Hint: evidence must >originate outside the confines of your own skull.) I certainly do NOT think that a "Nazi" would call Dunphy and claim such crap. If this were the case Mr. Dunphy would be publishing front page articles on the evil Nazi ploy to create hatred against Jews. >>>Mr. Dunphy did not say that this caller, or this group, _was_ responsible >>>for the arson - he said the caller _claimed_ responsibility. >>>It was you, with absolutely no supporting evidence, no record of charges >>>laid, no release of suspects' names by the RCMP, and no record of warrants >>>having been issued, who stated that the "Jewish Armed Resistance" torched >>>Zundel's home. That makes you a liar, Mr. Lemire. > >>Yes the caller from the Jewish Armed resistance claimed >>responsibility. > >A caller _claiming_ to be from the JAR claimed responsibility. What >evidence (from outside your own skull - remember?) can you provide >that demonstrates the caller was _actually_ a member of the JAR? Well... lets see.... HE SAID HE WAS!... What evidence do you have that he wasn't? >>I have not misreprented the Dunphy article. > No that is not true at all. I said FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUEMENT. Please try not to put words in my mouth >You claimed Dunphy got the number from a caller ID display. Now you >are backing down on that claim. Was the original claim a >misrepresentation? Looks like one to me. > >> I told it as I saw it. > >Obviously not, since you're backpedaling so furiously. Only in your cranium. >>And the Jewish Armed Resistance is the only group so far to claim >>responsibility for the crime. > >Wrong again. Someone claiming to be with JAR claimed responsibility. >Not one shred of evidence to definitively link the caller with the JAR >has been presented. I already presented the call display evidence. Reporter Dunphy's interview withy the person and the motive that they would have. >>I simply said that the Jewish Armed Resistance is the most likley >>suspect. > >You've just told another whopper, Lemire. You've said, in your ad for >your BBS: > >> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! >> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house >> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance > >Not "most likley (sic) suspect". You flat out claim they did it. Based >on what? One phone call of unknown origin? > Well you are confusing two differerent thing here. In my BBS add I did say that they lit Mr Zundels house on fire. But in my talk with Mr. McVay I said that they are the most likley suspects. Which is what you are quoting. I still do believe that the Jewish Armed resistance are the ones responsible for the blaze. And no one to date has come up with a better suspect to change my mind. >This is why you are referred to as a liar: because you lie. Ok whatever you say. >>But even at my young age I hope when I get to be old, like McVay is, >>that I am not working in a variety store with a life going NO where. >>I am going to college studying medicine, I am a medic in the Canadian >>Armed Forces.... What is McVay. An old loser on tv hacking over a >>computer with a smoke hanging out of his mouth. Real cool bud. > >A classic ad hominem argument. Since you don't particularly care for >Mr. McVay's appearance or choice of vocation, he must therefore be >dead wrong. This is one of the most basic fallacies you can commit. >Guess they're not teaching logic in the Canadian Armed Forces these >days, eh? I never said he was wrong because he is a bum. I was responding to his claims that I was in Diapers and other such rude remarks. Please, If you are going to quote me.. do it properly. >>And I think there is evidence. They claimed responsibility, they gave >>the number, they called dunphy, etc. > >Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number, >someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of >the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct >him positively with the JAR. So you have alternative informatin about the phone call? Do you have proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the call? >>>Demonstrate, by posting the Toronto article, that the paper accused >>>any person or group of this arson, Mr. Lemire. Put up, opr shut up. > >>Why don't you shut up. OK I will look through my files to see where >>the article is. And then retype it. But you must also have a copy of >>it at your place.... Why don't you retype it... You came after me. >>I never had any contact with you until you started writing to me, so >>why don't you put up and retype it. > >You posted your accusations in a public newsgroup. Did you intend that >the post be ignored? Actually I posted a BBS ad. And no I never expected for the ad to get so much attention as it is getting. >> Besides unlike you I am very busy >>with school and my career. I don't have much time to waste on idiots >>like you. > >You had time to post an 887-line reply... twice. That does not mean that I can do it every night. And most of the 887 was me quoting him. >>>>And you should not call me a Liar(Almost every sentence you say you >>>>call me liar somewhere). I have shown the facts as they come to me. >>>>Just because you may not like the facts thats too bad! > >>>I call you a liar because you _are_ a liar, Lemire. You have shown no facts, >>>you have misrepresented a newspaper article, and accused, without >>>proof, Jewish citizens of arson. > >>aaaaahhhhhhhh.. those poor jews..... eh ken. I accused The Jewish >>Armed resistance, I never accused a 'jewish citizen'. So YOU MUST BE >>STREATCHING THE TRUTH AGAIN. > >See the next quote from your post, Lemire. > >>It is most probible that they are Jewish. And I never made a blanket >>remark about the whole Jewish community, only about the group that >>claimed responsibility namely the Jewish Armed Resistance. > >You have just accused one or more Jewish citizens. Therefore, your >claim that "I never accused a 'jewish citizen'" is rendered untrue. It >is a lie. You told it. You are a liar. Again. If they are any thing they would most likley NOT be Jewish Citizens. Since mostlikley they are either American or Canadian Citizens who did this crime. NOT JEWISH CITIZENS... FROM ISRAEL. Nice try though. >>>Good - you do have some ability to comprehend written text. > >>PLease shut up Ken. Stop putting stupid remarks in like this. I will >>contain myself from doing things like that. > >Ah, you mean you won't make comments like "old loser on tv hacking >over a computer with a smoke hanging out of his mouth" about Mr. >McVay? How very enlightened of you... Well as you must have noticed I wrote that BEFORE i wrote this. From this point on I tried to contain myslelf. >>What you think does not either. If it really carried no weight why on >>earth are you argueing with me? If I am just am idiot why waste your >>time? > >If you post your lies and misrepresentations publicly, expect to be >called to task publicly. That is not what I said. McVay said that anything I say carries no weight, so i asked him why he argues with me for so long then. >>I stated that the Jewish Armed Resistance was responsible, because >>THEY claimed responsibility. Why is that so wrong. > >Simple: you have no evidence that the caller was, in fact, a member of >the JAR. Do you have any controdictary evidence? I think not! >>>>In my eyes even if they did not pour the gas or light the match they >>>>are still as guilty due to all the years they have vilified Mr. >>>>Zundel. > >So we come down to the nub of the matter: it is of no real concern to >you who the actual arsonists are, Lemire. You will hold Jews >responsible for it no matter what the truth turns out to be. I hold the Jewish press in Canada partly to blame because they have truned Mr. Zundel into the devil. They have defamed his character for quite along time. Which after time brings these type of actions. >>I said they should hold part of the burden for the terror campain they >>have help against Zundel. And it is true, They have nothing but bad >>mouthed him for years. > >And that equates to actually settings Zundel's house on fire? Explain, >please. I never said that the WHOLE Jewish community lit the match. I said that they have vilified him. Which over time makes people want to kill him. I challange you to pick up 1 Canadian Jewish News Paper and there isn't a story in there about either Zundel or hate groups. Just 1... >Posted and emailed. > >JGB E-Mailed back to you! Marc Lemire [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@inforamp.net Wed Aug 9 12:18:38 PDT 1995 Article: 30617 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!usenet From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general Subject: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 14:46:09 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 923 Message-ID: <40ahls$b5t@inforamp.net> Reply-To: cpn@inforamp.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11702 alt.revisionism:30617 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12128 alt.skinheads:25087 can.general:45289 can.politics:71731 Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS. 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[file list deleted] [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:34:42 PDT 1995 Article: 25370 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:37:31 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 106 Message-ID: <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31103 alt.politics.white-power:11990 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12333 can.politics:72217 alt.skinheads:25370 In article <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.o hio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.ne t!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss.mag-net.com!canada!free net.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not- for-mail >From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po litics,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues >Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:46:19 -0700 >Organization: The Nizkor Project >Lines: 43 >Message-ID: <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> >References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.231.126 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.revisionism:19166 alt.politics.white-power:12632 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12089 can.politics:37240 alt.skinheads:19539 >Status: N > >In article <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: > >>>In article <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net>, kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken >>>McVay) wrote: > >>> Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada's legal >>> system, as he continues to assert that the "Jewish Armed Resistance" >>> (an apparently non-existent, long-defunct group) was responsible >>> for the Zundel arson. > >[Mr. Walton] > >>>More to the point, he does not explain why there would be a "Jewish Armed >>>Resistance" when Canada is in the grip of the "Zionist Occupational >>>Government." What the hell are they resisting? > >[Back to Lemire] > >>Oh please.... The Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility for the >>firebombing not ME. So the guilty finger certainly points to them. > >No, Mr. Lemire, that is not the way it went down. An anonymous >caller _claiming_ to represent a long-defunct group, _claimed_ >responsibility for the act. And your point. A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility for the bombing. Yes your also right that they claimed that they belong to the Jewish Armed Resistance. >There is no proof whatsover that the anon. caller either represented >this long-defunct group, or that the anon. caller committed the >arson. None. Zip. Squat. Exept that the person who called said they represented the group. Don't forget that. >There is no proof whatsoever that Ernst Zundel himself did not make >the call, hoping to cast aspersions on the Jews in order to raise >money for his hate-mongering. None. Zip. Squat. OH please. Get real McVay. There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?! >There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call, >or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call. Well sure there is. Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize my voice on the phone. After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for over 1 and a half years. As for you. Well I doubt that even you are stupid enough to do such a thing. >No guilt. No finger. Just Lemire, liar. > gee thats a good line Kenny-boy. But what the hell does it mean? NO finger. Just Lemire, lair? I don't get what you mean Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:34:46 PDT 1995 Article: 25371 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:41:19 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 80 Message-ID: <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net> <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31104 alt.politics.white-power:11991 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12334 can.politics:72218 alt.skinheads:25371 In article <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.kraft.com!kraft.com!gf imda!uunet!in1.uu.net!genmagic!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net! math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss. mag-net.com!canada!freenet.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!ni zkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail >From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po litics,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues >Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:50:53 -0700 >Organization: The Nizkor Project >Lines: 31 >Message-ID: <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> >References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.231.126 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.revisionism:19076 alt.politics.white-power:12568 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12036 can.politics:37166 alt.skinheads:19471 >Status: N > >In article <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote: > >>>In article <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net>, Marc LemireLemire continues his >>>repetition of a lie: > >>>> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! >>>> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house >>>> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance > >>>Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada's legal >>>system, as he continues to assert that the "Jewish Armed Resistance" >>>(an apparently non-existent, long-defunct group) was responsible >>>for the Zundel arson. > >>Gee they must be still around if they are burning Zundels house > >Excuse me for repeating myself, Mr. Lemire, but what proof do you >have that a "Jewish Armed Resistance" "are burning Zundels house?" Boy are you hard headed. I am NOT going to go over and over it with you until your closed mind can actually understand. >Earlier discussions relating to this silliness make it clear that >you have none whatsoever. Actually it shows that YOU really had no evidence. But nice try! >Lemire l'liar. Why are you making these childish remarks? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:34:48 PDT 1995 Article: 25372 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:43:56 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 69 Message-ID: <40khgs$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nn2$5eu@inforamp.net> <409f8c$fdb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31105 alt.politics.white-power:11992 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12335 can.politics:72219 alt.skinheads:25372 In article <409f8c$fdb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.kraft.com!kraft.com!gf imda!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-sta te.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!info. ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss.mag-net.com!canada!freenet.unb c.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mai l >From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po litics,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues >Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:57:48 -0700 >Organization: The Nizkor Project >Lines: 19 >Message-ID: <409f8c$fdb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> >References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nn2$5eu@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.231.126 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.revisionism:19075 alt.politics.white-power:12566 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12034 can.politics:37165 alt.skinheads:19469 >Status: N > >In article <408nn2$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: > >>Why Mr. McVay do you call me a Revisionist in the Subject part of this >>message? > >Perhaps because, in announcing that "Jewish Terrorists" or the >"Jewish Armed Resistance" committed the Zundel arson, you are >revising history, Mr. Lemire. I am not revising history Mr McVay. I am telling it how it is. >Like "revisionist scholars" everywhere, you invent "facts" when it >suits you, with utter disregard for reality. > >That's a polite way of pointing out that you are a liar, Mr. Lemire. > Really. And where is your supposed proof that either I or these so-called "revisionist scholars" invent facts? Seems more like YOU just invented something, not me! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:34:56 PDT 1995 Article: 25377 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:14:00 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 88 Message-ID: <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11993 alt.revisionism:31106 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12337 can.politics:72220 alt.skinheads:25377 In article , anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.g tegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!nic.wat.hookup.net!wire!vanbc.wimsey.com!u nixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss.mag-net.com!canada!freenet.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.n et!holly.softwords.bc.ca!buggs.pinc.com!user >From: anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po litics,alt.skinheads >Subject: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 16:07:16 -0800 >Organization: The Celyddon Forest >Lines: 28 >Message-ID: >References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: buggs.pinc.com >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.white-power:12633 alt.revisionism:19167 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12090 can.politics:37241 alt.skinheads:19540 >Status: N > > >> >>And I think there is evidence. They claimed responsibility, they gave >> >>the number, they called dunphy, etc. >> > >> >Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number, >> >someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of >> >the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct >> >him positively with the JAR. >> >> So you have alternative informatin about the phone call? Do you have >> proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the >> call? >> > > >Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your >dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end. > >Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called, >and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic. > Why is it "moronic"? They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. Why should they not have to prove that it wasn't them. >You are asking someone to prove a negative. Just because you can't prove >that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you >and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove >otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are. The caller said he was from the JAR. If they are going to claim he is not them they have the burden of proof. NOT ME. >Please oh please, go to school, get an education and a life. And while >you're at it, buy a dictionary. Thanks for the advice. Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a dictionary. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:34:59 PDT 1995 Article: 25378 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:17:23 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40kjfj$df5@inforamp.net> References: <40ahls$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b3c1$d8e@ionews.io.org> <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11994 alt.revisionism:31107 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12338 alt.skinheads:25378 can.general:45759 can.politics:72221 In article <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>, campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!uunet!in1.uu.net!mdisea!mmddvan!not-for-ma il >From: campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.sk inheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general >Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Date: 9 Aug 1995 23:16:18 -0700 >Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Richmond, BC >Lines: 17 >Distribution: na >Message-ID: <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> >References: <40ahls$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b3c1$d8e@ionews.io.org> >NNTP-Posting-Host: lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.white-power:12714 alt.revisionism:19280 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12149 alt.skinheads:19603 can.general:25610 can.politics:37368 tor.general:18745 >Status: N > >G. Ghazanfari (gfari@nudge.io.org) wrote: >: I hope CSIS throws you in jail soon. CSIS does not arrest people. They only watch then get the RCMP to arrest. And what on earth are they going to arrest me for? >: Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote: >: : Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS. Part #1 > > >: I see from the list most of your files are racist really ???!?! Which files are you talking about? >: nazis shud be in jail For what? > >Ooh. You sound like you come from somewhere that Liberty is not >so popular. One of the advantages to free speech is that it >exposes stupidity, such as yours. > >Dhu Well what he says certainly is stupid! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:35:05 PDT 1995 Article: 25379 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:22:41 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 64 Message-ID: <40kjph$df5@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12340 alt.revisionism:31109 alt.politics.white-power:11996 can.general:45760 alt.skinheads:25379 In article <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com>, stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!hookup!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!svc.portal.com!news1.best.com!shel l1.best.com!stukafox >From: stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Date: 10 Aug 1995 19:20:26 GMT >Organization: BEST Internet (415) 964-2378 >Lines: 12 >Message-ID: <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> >References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: shell1.best.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12181 alt.revisionism:19335 alt.politics.white-power:12761 can.general:25683 alt.skinheads:19643 >Status: N > >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > > Hey, asshole, quit posting your fucking ads on the Usenet. > gee, hw come I have never seen you attack Ken Mcvay for posting his material every couple of months? I can post whatever I want, where every I want. And I will not let an idiot like you tell me where I can post or not post. >Mike "Whadda expect from a WP type?" Beebe A little more class. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:35:08 PDT 1995 Article: 25380 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general Subject: Re: Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS Part 3 Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:24:02 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 54 Message-ID: <40kjs2$df5@inforamp.net> References: <40ahqe$b5t@inforamp.net> <40dmp8$3qg@news1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11997 alt.revisionism:31110 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12341 alt.skinheads:25380 can.general:45761 can.politics:72223 In article <40dmp8$3qg@news1.best.com>, stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!svc.portal.com!news1.best com!shell1.best.com!stukafox >From: stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.sk inheads,can.general.can.politics,tor.general >Subject: Re: Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS Part 3 >Followup-To: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.sk inheads,can.general.can.politics,tor.general >Date: 10 Aug 1995 19:30:48 GMT >Organization: BEST Internet (415) 964-2378 >Lines: 15 >Message-ID: <40dmp8$3qg@news1.best.com> >References: <40ahqe$b5t@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: shell1.best.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.white-power:12763 alt.revisionism:19338 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12186 alt.skinheads:19648 tor.general:18804 >Status: N > >Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote: > > Marc, > > I suggest you learn something of netiquette as it's obvious you're > intentionally spamming. > If your going to call me a "spammer" why don't you call McVay a spammer also? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 11 10:35:11 PDT 1995 Article: 25381 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:25:03 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <40kjtv$df5@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12342 alt.revisionism:31111 alt.politics.white-power:11998 can.general:45762 alt.skinheads:25381 In article , scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) wrote: >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!new s.ucalgary.ca!cuugnet!scurrg >From: scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) >Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Message-ID: >Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:39:55 GMT >Lines: 10 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12188 alt.revisionism:19342 alt.politics.white-power:12769 can.general:25688 alt.skinheads:19654 >Status: N > >StukaFox (stukafox@shell1.best.com) wrote: >: A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45 > >It's only a matter of time then before Mr. Rock proposes bill C-666 where >everyone must register their religous ( or lack of ) beleifs. Gee what won't the government try to "regulate"? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:18 PDT 1995 Article: 31102 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics Subject: Re: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire.. Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:30:58 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 72 Message-ID: <40kgoi$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vd5rl$178@inforamp.net> <3vpslr$grl@inforamp.net> <3vscvq$51n@nanaimo.island.net> <407a8b$1fv@inforamp.net> <409dtq$f82@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12332 alt.revisionism:31102 alt.conspiracy:94800 alt.politics.white-power:11989 can.politics:72216 In article <409dtq$f82@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.o hio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.ne t!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss.mag-net.com!canada!free net.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!not- for-mail >From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.whi te-power,can.politics >Subject: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire.. >Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:35:06 -0700 >Organization: The Nizkor Project >Lines: 25 >Message-ID: <409dtq$f82@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> >References: <3vd5rl$178@inforamp.net> <3vpslr$grl@inforamp.net> <3vscvq$51n@nanaimo.island.net> <407a8b$1fv@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.231.126 >Summary: Marc Lemire thinks money will buy him storage on nizkor.. >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12088 alt.revisionism:19165 alt.conspiracy:51074 alt.politics.white-power:12631 can.politics:37239 >Status: N > >[Mr. Lemire] > >".... on another topic, since I post your files for all my users why >don't you give me some space of your FTP site? It seems only fair. >I will even go you one further. I will put 10 times as much of your >material on my bbs as I will post of your FTP site. That sounds even >more fair." > >[McVay] > >"I'm not remotely interested in paying for your storage, Mr. Lemire." > >[Lemire] > >"Since your too cheap to pay, i'll send you the money to cover the >costs. How much does it cost for 5 megs of storage on your ftp site?" > >Let me re-state my position in words even you can understand, Mr. >Lemire: You can't buy storage on nizkor. OK then I will erase your files that I put FREE on my BBS. OH by the way, since you save all my posts on your FTP site, I have been contacted by 3 people who got my E-mail address from one of the posts you kept. Thank you. Keep up the good work! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:21 PDT 1995 Article: 31107 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:17:23 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40kjfj$df5@inforamp.net> References: <40ahls$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b3c1$d8e@ionews.io.org> <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:11994 alt.revisionism:31107 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12338 alt.skinheads:25378 can.general:45759 can.politics:72221 In article <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>, campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!uunet!in1.uu.net!mdisea!mmddvan!not-for-ma il >From: campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.sk inheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general >Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Date: 9 Aug 1995 23:16:18 -0700 >Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Richmond, BC >Lines: 17 >Distribution: na >Message-ID: <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> >References: <40ahls$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b3c1$d8e@ionews.io.org> >NNTP-Posting-Host: lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.white-power:12714 alt.revisionism:19280 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12149 alt.skinheads:19603 can.general:25610 can.politics:37368 tor.general:18745 >Status: N > >G. Ghazanfari (gfari@nudge.io.org) wrote: >: I hope CSIS throws you in jail soon. CSIS does not arrest people. They only watch then get the RCMP to arrest. And what on earth are they going to arrest me for? >: Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote: >: : Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS. Part #1 > > >: I see from the list most of your files are racist really ???!?! Which files are you talking about? >: nazis shud be in jail For what? > >Ooh. You sound like you come from somewhere that Liberty is not >so popular. One of the advantages to free speech is that it >exposes stupidity, such as yours. > >Dhu Well what he says certainly is stupid! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:24 PDT 1995 Article: 31108 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:19:52 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 71 Message-ID: <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12339 alt.politics.white-power:11995 alt.revisionism:31108 can.politics:72222 alt.censorship:49021 alt.conspiracy:94819 In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!atha!nss.mag -net.com!canada!freenet.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!nizko r.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail >From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy >Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs >Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:37:09 -0700 >Organization: The Nizkor Project >Lines: 20 >Message-ID: <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> >References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.60.231.126 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12193 alt.politics.white-power:12775 alt.revisionism:19351 can.politics:37450 alt.censorship:25376 alt.conspiracy:51674 >Status: N > >In article <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org>, G. Ghazanfari wrote: > >>White supremists should be locked away in jail. > >>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people? > >Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at >expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and >consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They >are, in fact, their own worst enemies. > >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets. Under our sheets??? What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy? The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more support by the day. The only thing you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:28 PDT 1995 Article: 31109 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:22:41 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 64 Message-ID: <40kjph$df5@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12340 alt.revisionism:31109 alt.politics.white-power:11996 can.general:45760 alt.skinheads:25379 In article <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com>, stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!hookup!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!svc.portal.com!news1.best.com!shel l1.best.com!stukafox >From: stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Date: 10 Aug 1995 19:20:26 GMT >Organization: BEST Internet (415) 964-2378 >Lines: 12 >Message-ID: <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> >References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: shell1.best.com >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12181 alt.revisionism:19335 alt.politics.white-power:12761 can.general:25683 alt.skinheads:19643 >Status: N > >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > > Hey, asshole, quit posting your fucking ads on the Usenet. > gee, hw come I have never seen you attack Ken Mcvay for posting his material every couple of months? I can post whatever I want, where every I want. And I will not let an idiot like you tell me where I can post or not post. >Mike "Whadda expect from a WP type?" Beebe A little more class. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:32 PDT 1995 Article: 31111 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:25:03 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <40kjtv$df5@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12342 alt.revisionism:31111 alt.politics.white-power:11998 can.general:45762 alt.skinheads:25381 In article , scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) wrote: >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge neral,alt.skinheads >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!new s.ucalgary.ca!cuugnet!scurrg >From: scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) >Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS >Message-ID: >Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:39:55 GMT >Lines: 10 >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12188 alt.revisionism:19342 alt.politics.white-power:12769 can.general:25688 alt.skinheads:19654 >Status: N > >StukaFox (stukafox@shell1.best.com) wrote: >: A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45 > >It's only a matter of time then before Mr. Rock proposes bill C-666 where >everyone must register their religous ( or lack of ) beleifs. Gee what won't the government try to "regulate"? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:35 PDT 1995 Article: 31112 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:26:38 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 63 Message-ID: <40kk0u$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12343 alt.politics.white-power:11999 alt.revisionism:31112 can.politics:72224 alt.censorship:49022 alt.conspiracy:94820 In article <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!hookup!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.inte rnetmci.com!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mai l >From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy >Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs >Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:50:49 +0100 >Organization: TCD Maths >Lines: 18 >Message-ID: <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie> >References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: bell.maths.tcd.ie >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12187 alt.politics.white-power:12768 alt.revisionism:19341 can.politics:37427 alt.censorship:25365 alt.conspiracy:51623 >Status: N > >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: >>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay. If you do not like the facts I bring >>up... Too bad. > > Translation: I'm allergic to facts, so I can't reply to Ken McVay's >postings Funny, I have replied to them all. >>I don't feel like retyping them every time you post these stupid messages. > > Translation: I wouldn't bother my arse doing it, even if I could, as >I'm going off in a snit because you've made me look stupid. > I am NOT going anywhere. I will continue to post and post. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:38 PDT 1995 Article: 31113 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-03 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:28:45 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 66 Message-ID: <40kk4t$df5@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12344 alt.politics.white-power:12000 alt.revisionism:31113 can.politics:72225 alt.censorship:49023 alt.conspiracy:94822 In article <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!utnut!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.n et!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-ma il >From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy >Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs >Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:53:43 +0100 >Organization: TCD Maths >Lines: 21 >Message-ID: <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie> >References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> >NNTP-Posting-Host: bell.maths.tcd.ie >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12189 alt.politics.white-power:12770 alt.revisionism:19343 can.politics:37430 alt.censorship:25366 alt.conspiracy:51627 >Status: N > >gfari@wink.io.org (G. Ghazanfari) writes: >>White supremists should be locked away in jail. > > Indeed, they are unpleasant people. > >>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people? > > Personally, I think it's better to show them to be the fools and liars >they are; censoring them just gives them an excuse to sit on their arses and >bleat "We're being persecuted". Allowing them to be heard and rebutted shows >them for what they are. > > Of course, if any of them commits a violent act, they should be tried >in a court, just like anyone else. Gee in you first answer we should be locked away, in your second answer we should be allowed to speak. You and McVay must get alone quite well. You both seem to think the same Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 18:25:07 PDT 1995 Article: 31204 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts2-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 00:26:53 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 102 Message-ID: <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12083 alt.revisionism:31204 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12394 can.politics:72303 alt.skinheads:25445 In article , anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.bctel.net!holly.softwo rds.bc.ca!krusty.pinc.com!user >From: anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po litics,alt.skinheads >Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 12:23:50 -0800 >Organization: The Celyddon Forest >Lines: 36 >Message-ID: >References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: krusty.pinc.com >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.white-power:12955 alt.revisionism:19679 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12320 can.politics:37724 alt.skinheads:19844 >Status: N > >> >Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called, >> >and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic. >> >> Why is it "moronic"? They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. Why >> should they not have to prove that it wasn't them. > >Who claimed? An caller who for all the world knows could have be you. A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility. The caller said he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance. Also Mr. Dunphy (The reporter who took the call) would know my voice, so it certainly is not me. >> >> >You are asking someone to prove a negative. Just because you can't prove >> >that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you >> >and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove >> >otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are. >> >> The caller said he was from the JAR. If they are going to claim he is not >> them they have the burden of proof. NOT ME. > >Again, an unverified caller. You claimed that this makes it 100% a fact >that the bomb was JAR. You need to get your head out of your ass and your >hand off your dick long enough to see the fallacy of this logic. Really. Where did I say that it is 100% fact? I stated that the caller claimed responsibility. So if a group claims responsibility, then they look guilty. When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent. >What if I, as a caller were to call the Sun, and claim to be, oh I don't >know, Marc Lemire the operator of a 'revisionist' BBS, and then assert to >the reporter that I was an inbred little weasel. Now if the paper printed >an article which says "Marc Lemire claimes to be an inbred little weasel", >it would be, based on your stunted logic, an unassailable FACT. I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact" I said that no one has proven to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he was. >> >Please oh please, go to school, get an education and a life. And while >> >you're at it, buy a dictionary. >> >> Thanks for the advice. Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a >> dictionary. > >Ah-ha, but I said you did not. So, until you prove otherwise, the world >will know that MARC LEMIRE has no education, no life, and no dictionary >(the last of which is evidenced by articles constantly littered with poor >spelling.) Well you are entitled to your own opinion. The complete stupidness of your last question/respone requires no response from me. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:20 PDT 1995 Article: 31454 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:01:23 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12535 alt.politics.white-power:12342 alt.revisionism:31454 can.politics:72737 alt.censorship:49365 alt.conspiracy:95875 In article <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>, aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne Warwick ) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!mcshub!hwfn!aa287 >From: aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne Warwick ) >Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy >Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs >Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy >Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:19:23 GMT >Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet, Ontario, Canada. >Lines: 24 >Message-ID: <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> >References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12384 alt.politics.white-power:13074 alt.revisionism:19793 can.politics:37854 alt.censorship:25752 alt.conspiracy:52860 >Status: N > >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: >: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >: >Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at >: >expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and >: >consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They >: >are, in fact, their own worst enemies. >: > >: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of >: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they >: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets. > >: Under our sheets??? > >: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy? > > >: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more >: support by the day. > >Really? Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no >support for your twisted views. Like what Twisted views are you talking about? I have made very resonable statements. If you don't like them well thats too bad. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:24 PDT 1995 Article: 31455 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TEDIOUS BBS advertisement Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:13:59 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 106 Message-ID: <40sgbd$kil@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kgir$df5@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12536 alt.revisionism:31455 alt.politics.white-power:12343 can.general:46185 alt.skinheads:25643 can.politics:72738 can.legal:7087 In article , >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>In article <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >>>Path: > >>> [...further headers deleted...] > >Perhaps you could be bothered to open the documentation on your >newsreader, Lemire, and figure out how to quit wasting more bandwidth >than you usually do by not including headers in your replies. > I will look at solving this terrible problem. >>>In article <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire again posts his >>>"MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS" advertisement, and once again it contains >>>the lie about who torched Zundel's house. >>> >>>Mr. Lemire has posted this advertisement, in one flavour or another, >>>a minimum of 9 times since June 28. Each time, he includes the lie > >>Well you post your "anti-revisionist" material every 45 days. So big deal how >>many times I have posted my BBS advertisement. > >Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand >the difference? (A silly question, I know...) HAHAHHA. They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by e-mail thingy. >>>Each time, I and others have pointed out that no charges have been >>>laid, no suspects identified, and no warrants issued. >>> >>>Mr. Lemire seems unfamiliar with the concept of "innocent until >>>proven guilty," which seems consistent with his thought processes, >>>if nothing else. > >>Well the FBI also markes claimed terrorists acts such as this one as an act by >>the group. > >>Go down to the library and pick up the FBI's analysis of terrorist incidents >>in the United States. I have the 1981,1982 and 1983 versions. > >>In it it refers to the Jewish Defence League as a terrorist organization and >>also keeps records on how many terrorist acts they did in that year. IN 1982 >>they listed as committing 5 actual bombings, 1 attempted smoke bombing, 1 >>arson, injuring 7 people and killing 1. They also mention the United Jewish >>underground which had 1 attempted bombing. > >>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed >>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson. > >Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most >convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later. >It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called >Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with >the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago! CAN'T YOU READ??? There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON. The Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN. >< > > >What, exactly, do the activities of the JDL thirteen years ago prove >about the arson of Zundel's house? Absolutely nothing, Lemire. You >have no evidence that the caller was with the JDL, you have no >evidence that the caller was connected to the arson, your BBS ad is >still a lie, and you are still a liar. Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not. I on the other hand have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED RESISTANCE. And the JDL is just as dangerous as they were then, if not more. I have looked for the newest FBI report btu I believe they keep them secret for 10 years before releasing it to the public. But this I am not sure on. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:27 PDT 1995 Article: 31456 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:24:36 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 68 Message-ID: <40sgv9$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12344 alt.revisionism:31456 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12537 can.politics:72739 alt.skinheads:25644 In article , >In article <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >Does NO ONE in this group know how to use a text editor? > > :Really. Where did I say that it is 100% fact? I stated that the caller > :claimed responsibility. So if a group claims responsibility, then they look > :guilty. > >No group claimed responsibility. Someone claiming to be that group claimed >responsibility. The groups involvement--indeed, existence--has not been >supported by a shred of evidence that I've seen so far. Except for the CALLER who claimed it. Unless you have other evidence please shut up about this. > > :When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be > :solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent. > >Unless the case doesn't go your way, in which case you'll claim the fix was >in. I don't have a clue what you mean here. I really DON"T care if it was a Jew or a White person who did the crime. But at the present time all the evidence points to the Jewish Armed Resistance. > > :I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact" I said that no one has proven > :to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he was. > >I'm with the Georgia Freedmen's Militia. We burned down Zundel's house. > >There. Now you can't say that it's the JAR, as you have every bit as much >evidence that the GFM is to blame. No in the JAR case I also have the police's statement who say they are investigating the JAR. We also don't have a offshoot your "group" trying to hop over the wooden barrier of Zundel house. Nice try though Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:30 PDT 1995 Article: 31457 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dachau gas chamber verified Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:17:50 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <40sgii$kil@inforamp.net> References: <808330040snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , >>In article >> karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes: >>> This would appear to be fairly explicit. On what basis do revisionists >>> want us to believe that Smith's claims are inauthentic? Has Fred Leuchter >>> visited Dachau and given his expert opinion on that site as well? >> >> >>It's very explicit. It's also wrong. I would suggest you contact Israel >>Gutman and announce that you have made this remarkable discovery. There >>are also photographs of Dachau gas chambers. They too are hoaxes to deceive >>the credulous and the gullible, which at one time included most of the American public. HAHAHAHHAH. Inside the "gas chamber" of Dachau there is a REMOVABLE sign that says there were NEVER GASSING at Dachau. > >He gave you very convincing, published testimony by a US Army >physician, Marcus J Smith, who was personally present at Dachau at its >liberation stating in no uncertain terms that he examined a genocidal >gas chamber there. HAHHAHAHA. Sure he saw a "gas chamber" but it was never used to KILL ANYONE. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:34 PDT 1995 Article: 31458 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy Subject: McVays funding from Jerusalem Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:43:23 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 69 Message-ID: <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com> <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31458 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12538 alt.politics.white-power:12345 alt.skinheads:25646 can.politics:72740 ont.general:17727 alt.conspiracy:95877 In article <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com>, wrote: >>CyberKnght has been posting a lot in this newsgroup. He always sends >>copies of his posts to the Jewish and Zionists organizations for which he >>works. Here is a list of the addresses he sends copies to; >>bzs@world.std.com, al.negron@channell.com, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca >>sschultz@crl.com, paalde@stud.cs.uit.no, israel.silverman@moondog.com. >>Does he get paid by ADL, JDL and the Mossad for each word he writes, and >>the copies are his invoices to justify these organizations expending the US >>Foreign aid money to pay CyberKnght's salary? > >My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!" > >Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish >and Zionist organization should be paying me? While you're at it, >please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can >get my letterheads printed correctly. OK Kenny-boy. Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network. Their address is 6 Ben Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel. Your contact person is Zvi Lando. (The follwoing information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149. ISSN number 1081-2385. The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale Research Inc.) Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 you are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a more direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer University) and the United Church. For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the Internet costs" let me fill you in. A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH. If he is really pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. This connection runs off a PPP capable synchronous router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc) That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding. (At least the printed places) Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:37 PDT 1995 Article: 31459 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:50:06 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 80 Message-ID: <40sif2$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7901 alt.politics.correct:53831 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12539 alt.politics.white-power:12346 alt.revisionism:31459 alt.skinheads:25647 can.general:46187 can.legal:7088 can.politics:72741 ont.general:17728 In article , >In article <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, devens@uoguelph.ca (David >L Evens) wrote: >> >> >> : (1) I have not read the article. Lemire has said he'd post it; it has >> : yet to turn up under his imprimature. Lemire's account of what the >> : article supposedly said changes, generally as inconsistencies and >> : logical fallacies in Lemire's arguments are pointed out. >> >> : (2) Kindly point out to me at what point I quoted the article. I have >> : done no such thing. >> >> Two more idiotic statements. You didn't read the article you quoted. > >Why? Because he requires for Lemire to back up his ludicrous and >fallacious assertions with something other than the word of an anonymous >caller which the Sun, the Sun reporter, and the police all consider to be >little more than a hoax? THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news! The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax for sure. Come on stop bullshitting. >> : The fact is, the identity and affiliations, if any, of the person who >> : called Dunphy are unknown. Lemire assumes that it must have been a >> : member of a Jewish terrorist group. Why? Because the caller said he >> : was. Good, solid evidence, that. >> >> Much better than yours. >> > >No it is not. In a court of law, and in fact before any person with a >brain it is very poor evidence. One anonymous caller who is not verified >and who is regared by the Sun, by the reporter who took the call and also >by the police as a hoax. Can you please cite Canadian case law to back up what you are saying? >> You choose not to understand that you don't need to belong to a group to >> commit acts of terrorism for the alleged benefit of that group. > >This is totally irrelevant. The point of argument is whether or not Lemire >has any SOLID ADMISSIBLE proof to support his assertion of the JAR's >guilt. He does not, and resorts to prevarication, sudden factual >alterations, and outright lies to try to support his garbage. What outright lies are you talking about? What sudden "factual alterations" are you refering to? It seems like you are the one writting garbage, buddy! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:40 PDT 1995 Article: 31460 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:57:40 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 98 Message-ID: <40sit9$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12347 alt.revisionism:31460 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12540 can.politics:72742 alt.skinheads:25648 In article , >> >Who claimed? An caller who for all the world knows could have be you. >> >> >> A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility. The caller said >> he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance. >> >Ok. So an UNKNOWN caller claimed to be from the JAR. Boy oh boy, there is >proof. (he says, dripping heavy with sarcasm) NO sorry but the caller IDENTIFIED HIMSELF. Unless you have other proof of the identity of the caller? I think NOT >> Really. Where did I say that it is 100% fact? I stated that the caller >> claimed responsibility. So if a group claims responsibility, then they look >> guilty. When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be >> solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent. > >Oh. So your BBS ad, which states unequivocally that Zundel's home was >burned down by JAR terroists is what, a suggestion ? Or do you know admit >that you position is nothing more than a claim which has no TANGIBLE >proof, which would be accepted in a court of law? Well we are not in a court of law, and there is not a judge here to say what is acceptable or not. Of course it's a claim. Anything I say is my claim. I do not know the identity of the person who poured a substance over Zundels house. But the Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility, so why would I not think it was them? >> >> I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact" I said that no one has proven >> to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he was. >> > >Se above. Why you didn't answer it there either. > >> > >> >Ah-ha, but I said you did not. So, until you prove otherwise, the world >> >will know that MARC LEMIRE has no education, no life, and no dictionary >> >(the last of which is evidenced by articles constantly littered with poor >> >spelling.) >> >> >> Well you are entitled to your own opinion. The complete stupidness of your >> last question/respone requires no response from me. >> >As are you. But as I have told someone who has already flamed me for saing >this, I wished to make two points. First, in stating this I used the same >stunted logic you have been using. Prove to me otherwise that you have all >three of the above and I will change my position. Someone (me) has made >the above claim, and until I am shown to be in error, I will accept this >claim as fact. Sound familiar? Yes, it is the same reasoning you have >used, which demonstrates a complete lack of thought and shows only hatred >and spite. Hatred to who? and what lack of thought. Just because you people do not want to believe that the Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility, thats not my fault, but to say I only show Hatred and spike is a very stupid thing to say, And quite ignorant to say on your part. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:46 PDT 1995 Article: 31463 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:20:25 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 40 Message-ID: <40sk7t$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40o925$dqo@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12543 alt.politics.white-power:12351 alt.revisionism:31463 can.politics:72744 alt.censorship:49366 alt.conspiracy:95879 In article <40o925$dqo@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: >>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >>>The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of >>>what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they >>>hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets. >>Under our sheets??? > > It's just suddenly struck me why Marc Lemire seems so upset about the >sheets remark - he's afraid that people will think he's under-endowed!!! Boy you are quite an intelligent person. > That reminds me: a man goes into a shop to buy condoms and the >assistant asks him "What size do you want: Small, Medium or Liar?" I suppose small is a bit too big for you... 'eh Derek? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:50 PDT 1995 Article: 31465 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics,alt.illuminati,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:33:03 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 44 Message-ID: <40skvi$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> <40p3v0$n67@access4.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31465 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12544 alt.politics.white-power:12354 can.politics:72747 alt.illuminati:7904 alt.skinheads:25653 In article <40p3v0$n67@access4.digex.net>, >In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article , >>There is quite alot more evidence. if you chose to ignore it that is your >>problem. >> >>There is the phone call, where a person claiming to be from the Jewish Armed >>resistance claimed responsibility for the firebombing. (Toronto Sun May 8, >>1995) There is the remarks by the Metro Toronto Police that they are >>investigating the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun May 11, 1995) > > If I were to place a phone call to a reporter saying, "Hi, my name is >Marc Lemire and I'd like to talk to you, you see my conscience is troubing >me about " do you think that you too >might be investigated by the police? I mean, that phone call IS strong >evidence that you committed the murder, isn't it? And then the fact that >the police start investigating you is practically absolute proof! I never said it was absolute proof. I just offered it as some proof of why I believe why it was the Jewish Armed Resistance who are the ones responsible for the Fiorbombing of Zundels home. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:53 PDT 1995 Article: 31466 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:43:19 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 76 Message-ID: <40slir$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40pi11$e5q@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12355 alt.revisionism:31466 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12545 can.politics:72748 alt.skinheads:25654 In article <40pi11$e5q@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>, campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote: > >Unh, actually the flaw in his logic is a false syllogism. You know, >where there is smoke, there is fire... > >In this case we have someone claiming that someone else dialed from >a number the caller claimed was the JDL. Multiple applications of >false syllogism. Malfunctioning logic unit, I'd say. > >The only thing that forces me not to completely rule out the JDL's >complicity in Zundels' Bar-b-que is that if I was a 70 year old >death camp survivor, I might just be tempted to go do a _real_ >shake-an-bake job on him -- just for lying about me. Well the person on the Video tape was in his 30's. Not 70's. > >Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) wrote: > >: > >>And I think there is evidence. They claimed responsibility, they gave >: > >>the number, they called dunphy, etc. >: > > >: > >Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number, >: > >someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of >: > >the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct >: > >him positively with the JAR. >: > >: > So you have alternative informatin about the phone call? Do you have >: > proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the >: > call? >: > > > >: Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your >: dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end. > >: Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called, >: and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic. HE IS CLAIMING THAT THE CALLER WASN'T FROM THE JAR. So I asked him for facts. That is not moronic. >: You are asking someone to prove a negative. Just because you can't prove >: that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you >: and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove >: otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are. The caller said he was. I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot prove who he isn't. So we are at a stand still. I can believe that he might be and you can believe that he might not be.... GOOD NOW WE HAVE IT SOLVED. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:57 PDT 1995 Article: 31467 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:47:25 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 68 Message-ID: <40slqh$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net> <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net> <40pma0$jih@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31467 alt.politics.white-power:12356 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12546 can.politics:72749 alt.skinheads:25655 In article <40pma0$jih@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote: > >In article <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >>>>Gee they must be still around if they are burning Zundels house >>>Excuse me for repeating myself, Mr. Lemire, but what proof do you >>>have that a "Jewish Armed Resistance" "are burning Zundels house?" >>Boy are you hard headed. I am NOT going to go over and over it with you until >>your closed mind can actually understand. > >Okelydokely Marc. It looks like we're going to have to Burdi you too... >(That is, we're going to have to badger you until you claim someone was >using your E-Mail address, and then disappear.) Oh don't you worry buddy. I'll be here for a long time. Even if you guys want to badger me. > >MArc, YOU said, and say to this day, that some group called the Jewish >Armed Resistance burned Zundel's house...yet no charges have been laid, >and there isn't any proof that the Jewish Armed Resistance (if it's even >a real group) set the house alight. Now, nobody's claiming the JAR >(nice acronym...) diddn't do it, but don't claim that they did do it, >based soley on a phone call. For all we know (and what I suspect) >Zundel had one of his Aryan Supertwinks torch his place, while he was >conveniently in Vancouver. He gets media attention, and he gets to >blame EVIL JEWS for this "act of terror". What a stupid thing to say. Zundel did NOT burn his own place. He lost out big time in it. If your going to burn your house, would you not want to at least profit from it? >>>Earlier discussions relating to this silliness make it clear that >>>you have none whatsoever. >>Actually it shows that YOU really had no evidence. But nice try! > >No evidence of what Marc? You seem to be missing the point here, you're >the one being called into question on your factual data. NO he called me a liar and other names, for which I am refering to there. And he also does not have ANY evidence that the JAR did not do it. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:02 PDT 1995 Article: 31468 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The truth Continues Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:50:37 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 42 Message-ID: <40sm0h$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net> <40pmt7$n2s@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31468 alt.politics.white-power:12357 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12547 can.politics:72750 alt.skinheads:25656 >>There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?! > >No, just a Nazi. Plots require planning, planning requires independant >thought. > >>>There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call, >>>or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call. >>Well sure there is. Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize my >>voice on the phone. After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for over 1 >>and a half years. As for you. Well I doubt that even you are stupid enough >>to do such a thing. > >Oh, that was you? Ahahahahah! You should have made it a sex-line, >there would have been more money and less lies. Your stupidness isn't even worth more of a reply. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:05 PDT 1995 Article: 31469 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:52:31 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 44 Message-ID: <40sm42$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12358 alt.revisionism:31469 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12548 can.politics:72751 alt.skinheads:25657 In article <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote: >In article <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>>Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your >>>dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end. >>>Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called, >>>and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic. >> >>Why is it "moronic"? They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. Why >>should they not have to prove that it wasn't them. > >Marc, you drooler! I can't believe that you perpetrate to be a >revisionist with an attitude like that! Innocent until proven guilty, >remember? Any asshole can "drop a dime" and call in saying that they're >the JAR, or whoever, but it doesn't make it fact. I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist. So get it right. I deleted the rest, since it's so stupid, I am not going to waste any more of my time with you. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:08 PDT 1995 Article: 31470 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics,alt.illuminati,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is lying Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:00:50 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <40smjl$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31470 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12549 alt.politics.white-power:12359 can.politics:72752 alt.illuminati:7905 alt.skinheads:25658 In article , schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > > >> oooohhhh darn you caught me. You totally right.... It was me who started >> the fire. How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see a >> Nazi conspiracy under every rock. >> >Well, now that THAT is over with, let's move on to something else, shall we? > >By the way, the only thing we find under rocks is slime like you, Marc. Quite an intelligent thing to say. Typical of you people. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:14 PDT 1995 Article: 31474 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The truth Continues Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:07:08 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 57 Message-ID: <40sjf0$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31474 alt.politics.white-power:12362 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12551 can.politics:72753 alt.skinheads:25660 In article , >> In article <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >> >> >No guilt. No finger. Just Lemire, liar. >> > >> >> gee thats a good line Kenny-boy. But what the hell does it mean? >> >> NO finger. Just Lemire, lair? I don't get what you mean >> > >Of course you don't get it. For one thing, you don't know the difference >between a liar and a lair. (Wanna go for bonus points, tell us what a lyre >is.) Sarcasm is not your strong suit. Don't quite your day job. (I hope it's not like McVay in a gas station) >What it means, pure and simple, is that no one has been found guilty. No >one has been fingered for the crime. Yet you continue to promote your >"guilty until proven innocent" theories and refuse to admit that your >facts are a bit ... in error. I never said that they were 100% guilty... THEY DID. They claimed the firebombing NOT ME. SO why are you trying to push the blame past THEM. They called Dunphy, Not ME. >And THAT makes you a liar. I don't know if you live in a lair or play a >lyre, but you ARE a liar. Well it's a free country and your entitled to your opinion. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:20 PDT 1995 Article: 31475 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:09:34 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 41 Message-ID: <40sjji$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12363 alt.revisionism:31475 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12552 can.politics:72754 alt.skinheads:25661 In article , >In article <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks for the advice. Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a >> dictionary. >> >The for GOD'S SAKE, Marc, START USING IT!!! > >The word is FORTUNATELY, stupid. > Well I am in such a rush to answer all the messages you people write I do not have the time to waste looking for stupid typing speed errors like that one. You will just have to forgive me. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:24 PDT 1995 Article: 31476 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general Subject: Re: Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS Part 3 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:12:10 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 52 Message-ID: <40sjoe$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahqe$b5t@inforamp.net> <40dmp8$3qg@news1.best.com> <40kjs2$df5@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12364 alt.revisionism:31476 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12553 alt.skinheads:25662 can.general:46192 can.politics:72755 In article , schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <40kjs2$df5@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >> > >> > Marc, >> > >> > I suggest you learn something of netiquette as it's obvious you're >> > intentionally spamming. >> > >> If your going to call me a "spammer" why don't you call McVay a spammer also? >> > >NYAH! > >What a remarkably intelligent retort, Marc. Truly worthy of someone of >your intellectual caliber. > >Ken McVay posts in alt.revisionism. You can't spam a single Usenet group >when what you're posting is ON-TOPIC. Advertising your BBS has NOTHING to >do with the discussions that ought to be taking place here. What kind of planet are you on? My BBS has all to do with alt.revisionism, alt.politics.white-power, alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads. My bbs is a place where discussion like these go on every day. My BBS is 100% ON-Topic to the topics discussed here. If you don't see that.... OPEN YOUR EYES! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:26 PDT 1995 Article: 31477 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:16:48 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 62 Message-ID: <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12554 alt.politics.white-power:12365 alt.revisionism:31477 can.politics:72756 alt.censorship:49368 alt.conspiracy:95882 In article <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: >>Under our sheets??? > > Presumably he is comparing you to the KKK, unless you have a habit >of making proclamations from bed! > I DO NOT represent the Klan, so that stupid remark about sheets is 1. very outdated 2. very incorrect. >>What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy? > >>The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more >>support by the day. > > And a much larget opposition! > Not really. If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of people. My E-mailing list is around 700+ people. Combine that with others we have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us. So we are winning the war on the Internet... NOT YOU! >>The only thing you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot. > > You're talking to yourself now! > I should be talking to you actually. > By the way, that .signature of yours is one of the biggest warlords >I've ever seen! (No, that's not a compliment!) "biggest warlords"? Have you been smoking too much crack latley? Here's my "warlord ad" just for you Derek. [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:30 PDT 1995 Article: 31478 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:18:26 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 46 Message-ID: <40sk46$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <40kk4t$df5@inforamp.net> <40o8o7$dlk@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12555 alt.politics.white-power:12366 alt.revisionism:31478 can.politics:72757 alt.censorship:49369 alt.conspiracy:95883 In article <40o8o7$dlk@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: >>Gee in you first answer we should be locked away, in your second answer we >>should be allowed to speak. > > Ok, I was a little sloppy in my wording; I should have said: >"I agree that they are disgusting, but I disagree with the idea that they >should be jailed just for expressing an idea, however obnoxious that idea is. >If they cause violence, they should be tried just as any other person accused >of causing violence." > > Happy now? > Only if you are! >>You and McVay must get alone quite well. You both seem to think the same > > I imagine Ken & I do agree on many issues. > Thats nice. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:34 PDT 1995 Article: 31480 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:36:53 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 61 Message-ID: <40sl6p$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <401sp4$e23@inforamp.net> <408601$bp2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40n8h4$p7k@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>In article <408601$bp2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: > >> [...deletia...] > >>Come on Mr McVay. I said they are the most likley suspects. The Police are >>looking into them and they have asked the FBI to help. So no only I consider >>them suspects. > >> [...deletia...] > >>I never said they are 100% guilty, no matter what. I said they are the most >>likley suspects. > >You are once again lying, Lemire. > >The following is a direct quote from your ubiquitous BBS >advertisement: > >> NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!! >> including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house >> which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance > >This can only mean that you consider the Jewish Armed Resistance 100% >guilty. You make no mention of their being only "the most likley (sic) >suspects". > >We again find that you are only too willing to bend the facts -- even >the facts about what you yourself have said -- to fit your immediate >needs. Well I guess you have not seen the revised version of that BBS advertisement where I mention that they claim responsibility in the Toronto Sun. I am not lying. I did however not make my point 100% clear in the original BBS ad. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:38 PDT 1995 Article: 31481 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: ANOTHER LIE FROM MCVAYS FTP SITE Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:58:44 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 109 Message-ID: <40smfp$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vd5rl$178@inforamp.net> <3vjibu$qor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <401stk$e23@inforamp.net> <40n365$p7k@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , >In article <40n365$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > > >> >There are quite a number of people here on BOTH SIDES of the arguments who >> >read things like alt.sex.bondage. (I hear your snide remark: "How would >> >you know?" And the answer is simple: Because I read it too. Does that make >> >me a sex pervert?) Does that make any of those people sex perverts? >> > >> >> It all depend on your own personal views. If you do not consider things like >> S & M or whips and chains sick.... Well that is your right. > >Well, the DSM IV does not consider S&M behavior "sick." But of course, you >know more than they do, right? Who is the DSM IV? Oh ya and read what I said. IT'S DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS! >> I also have the right to decide how I would like my sexual encounters. I >> personally do not feel like getting beat up while having sex. But if you do, >> well I guess thats your problem. >> >WHOA!!! Now WHO is calling WHO?! I never said I liked anything of the >sort. Once again, you're jumping to major conclusions here. The fact that >I read asb is no different than the fact that Leuchter reads asb. Neither >of us is a pervert. I never said you do..... NOTICE I USED THE WORD "BUT" >> >Please identify some well'known "sex perverts" for me, so I can >> >understand why Leuchter's subscription to an adult BBS offends you so >> >much. (He IS over 21, isn't he?) >> >> It is not so much if Leuchter is a pervert or not. The point is that >> Leuchters sexual life is of no concern to us. It has NO bearing on his >> credibility. >> >True. I agree. So does Mr. McVay. Next. Then whay was it on his FTP site for so long? He must on know since it caused such a big controversy last year. >> But Mr McVay had this file on is FTP site for the world to download. I think >> that is wrong and I exposed him for lieing about Leuchter. (Fred Leuchter >> denies being on such BBS's) >> >> I take great offence to Mr McVay trying to harm Mr. Leuchters credibility by >> lieing about him. I think that is very wrong of him. In Mr. McVays defence, >> he says he has taken the file off his FTP site. I have not been there for a >> while, so I can not confirm or deny this. Mind you the whole time he >asserted >> that the file is true and that Leuchter is on the sex BBS's the file refers >> to. > >This is the rub, isn't it. You keep insisting that Leuchter's membership >on these BBSes is a lie. It's all easily verified you know. Mr. McVay >doesn't have to do a damn thing to damage Leuchter's credibility. Leuchter >has done that all by himself, by lying (please note spelling) about his >experience, his expertise, and his qualifications. I saw the file you >posted and thought it merely a way to contact Leuchter through the BBSes >he belongs to. Maybe I'll even go to an asb munch in Boston one of these >days, to meet old Fred. > >It depends on how you look at things. You see a list of BBSes Leuchter >belongs to, and call it an attempt to make him look like a pervert. > >I see the same list and say, "Oh! I can contact him directly through THESE >BBSes. Great!" > >Point of view. Ain't it great? That certainly is a point of view. BTW, What the hell is an ASB MUNCH? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:41 PDT 1995 Article: 31482 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general,ont.general Subject: Re: >>>CANADA'S FREE SPEECH BBS <<< NOW OVER 500 USERS!!! Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:24:08 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 80 Message-ID: <40sddt$kcv@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40dpj1$bp7@ionews.io.org> <40kk80$df5@inforamp.net> <40lmns$1d0@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7906 alt.politics.correct:53840 alt.revisionism:31482 alt.politics.white-power:12373 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12557 alt.skinheads:25666 can.general:46201 can.politics:72764 ont.general:17740 In article <40lmns$1d0@ionews.io.org>, kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!uunet!in1.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interl og.com!io.org!nobody >From: kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) >Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,a lt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.gener al,ont.general >Subject: Re: >>>CANADA'S FREE SPEECH BBS <<< NOW OVER 500 USERS!!! >Date: 13 Aug 1995 16:19:08 -0400 >Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) >Lines: 25 >Message-ID: <40lmns$1d0@ionews.io.org> >References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40dpj1$bp7@ionews.io.org> <40kk80$df5@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: r-node.io.org >Xref: inforamp.net alt.illuminati:2439 alt.politics.correct:44984 alt.revisionism:19748 alt.politics.white-power:13033 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12363 alt.skinheads:19901 can.general:26052 can.politics:37810 tor.general:19128 ont.general:20049 >Status: N > >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: > >> > >> >I think the phrase "Nazis, fuck off" says it best. > >> I think the phrase shut up might be suited for you. > >Whatever you say, Marc. I am not a NAZI. And never will be a member of the Nazi party. So to call me a Nazi is quite an ignorant statement. > >> ****************************************************** >> ** CANADIAN PATRIOTS NETWORK ** >> ****************************************************** > >How do you define "patriot"? It seems to me patriots >fought and died to erase the nazi stain? I would define a Patriot as someone who loves their contry and is willing to die for it. Or someone who is willing to die for what they believe in. I am willing to do both. Their are patriots from every side of the war. Their are Russian patriots, American Patriots, Canadian patriots, French patriots, British patriots, Jewish patriots and YES even German patriots. Everybody has a different definition of who is a Patriot and who is not. You may not consider Winston Churchhill to be a Patriot while some British do. I may consider Ernst Zundel to be a hero while you may not. I may consider Wilfred Laurier a hero (which I do), while other Canadians may not. It's all up to who your personal patriots are. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:44 PDT 1995 Article: 31483 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Zundel on the ashpile of his story Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:01:29 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 61 Message-ID: <40sc3d$jv1@inforamp.net> References: <3uilu2$orr@nanaimo.island.net> <3uv6dp$kq6@legend.txdirect.net> <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!news.magmacom.com!sun.cais.com!news.s fo.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!p pp-66-102.dialup.winternet.com!joelr >From: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism >Subject: Zundel on the ashpile of his story >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:14:54 >Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc >Lines: 16 >Message-ID: >References: <3uilu2$orr@nanaimo.island.net> <3uv6dp$kq6@legend.txdirect.net> <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-66-102.dialup.winternet.com >X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] >Status: N > >In article <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes: > >>That is total non-sense. Mr. Zundel has very little insurance and the >>insurance that he had only covered the shell of the house not the >>contents. > >>So all the priceless old books that were lost were not covered, the >>$30,000 high speed photocopier was not covered, all his personal >>property was not covered... etc etc etc. > >Well, while it was -- whoever did it; I don't know and don't care -- wrong to >do, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Typical of you type of people. How could you actually say "it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" I wish your home burned down and you lost priceless books and $30.000 dollor photocopiers. Then your tune might change. Violence because of political belief is discusting. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:47 PDT 1995 Article: 31484 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Zundel on the ashpile of his story Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:07:10 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 61 Message-ID: <40sce2$kcv@inforamp.net> References: <3uilu2$orr@nanaimo.island.net> <3uv6dp$kq6@legend.txdirect.net> <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!news.magmacom.com!sun.cais.com!news.s fo.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!p pp-66-102.dialup.winternet.com!joelr >From: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism >Subject: Zundel on the ashpile of his story >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:14:54 >Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc >Lines: 16 >Message-ID: >References: <3uilu2$orr@nanaimo.island.net> <3uv6dp$kq6@legend.txdirect.net> <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-66-102.dialup.winternet.com >X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] >Status: N > >In article <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes: > >>That is total non-sense. Mr. Zundel has very little insurance and the >>insurance that he had only covered the shell of the house not the >>contents. > >>So all the priceless old books that were lost were not covered, the >>$30,000 high speed photocopier was not covered, all his personal >>property was not covered... etc etc etc. > >Well, while it was -- whoever did it; I don't know and don't care -- wrong to >do, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Typical of you type of people. How could you actually say "it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" I wish your home burned down and you lost priceless books and $30.000 dollor photocopiers. Then your tune might change. Violence because of political belief is discusting. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:53 PDT 1995 Article: 31486 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is lying Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:57:53 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 176 Message-ID: <40sfdc$kcv@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7907 alt.politics.correct:53850 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12559 alt.politics.white-power:12375 alt.revisionism:31486 alt.skinheads:25667 can.general:46206 can.legal:7092 can.politics:72768 ont.general:17744 In article <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, devens@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) wrote: >Path: inforamp.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.u oguelph.ca!devens >From: devens@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) >Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politic s.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics ,ont.general,tor.general >Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is lying >Followup-To: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politic s.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics ,ont.general,tor.general >Date: 13 Aug 1995 21:42:41 GMT >Organization: University of Guelph >Lines: 70 >Message-ID: <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> >References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> >NNTP-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] >Xref: inforamp.net alt.illuminati:2451 alt.politics.correct:44997 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12372 alt.politics.white-power:13049 alt.revisionism:19762 alt.skinheads:19914 can.general:26062 can.legal:5294 can.politics:37824 ont.general:20058 tor.general:19139 >Status: N > >In article Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) wrote: >: devens@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) wrote: > >: >In article Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) wrote: > >: >: Does Dunphy's article (to which you have conveniently neglected to >: >: give a precise reference) say that a Jewish group claimed >: >: responsibility, or that someone called _claiming_ to be with a Jewish >: >: group, and claimed responsibility? Yes the Toronto Sun's Bill Dunphy published an article on May the 9/1995 where the headline is "Zionist group claims arson" He goes on to say "A shadowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of Neo-Nazi publisher Ernst Zundel" >: >Had you read the article instead of merely quoting it, you'd not ask such >: >an idiotic question. > >: (1) I have not read the article. Lemire has said he'd post it; it has >: yet to turn up under his imprimature. Lemire's account of what the >: article supposedly said changes, generally as inconsistencies and >: logical fallacies in Lemire's arguments are pointed out. I am not going to retype the whole article in. If you want it, get off your ass and get it yourself. I will at many times quote from it, I gave it's date, what paper it's in and the author of it. I wish I had more time in the day to do such things but I do not. I go to college and I don't have time to type in things for you. Sorry. I have never said anything about the article that has supposidly changed. >: (2) Kindly point out to me at what point I quoted the article. I have >: done no such thing. > >Two more idiotic statements. You didn't read the article you quoted. > >: (3) Are you familiar with the concept of a rhetorical question? > >Yes, and it isn't suitable to pretend you were asking one to cover up you >r original idiotic question. > >: >: What Lemire seems to be unable or unwilling to understand is that >: >: _anyone_ can do the latter. If you assert the former, however, you >: >: need to be able to demonstrate that the caller was positively >: >: indentified, and his affiliation with the group in question positively >: >: established. Neither Lemire nor (to the best of my knowledge) the >: >: Canadian law enforcement authorities have established these facts. >: >: Lemire's entire argument ('da Joos burned down Zundel's house') rests >: >: on his uncritical acceptance that what the caller claimed (affiliation >: >: with a Jewish group) was true, without any independent confirmation of >: >: that fact. If the caller had claimed to be with the Klingon Empire, >: >: one wonders if Lemire would have believed that. Well so far you people have not proven that the caller on the phone was not who he said he was. So why should I change my opinion? Look at the facts. A person called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility for the arson. He said he was from a group called the Jewish Armed Resistance movement. The fire chief who was at the scene called it an Arson. ON May 11/95 Metro Police Detective Mike Jackson says he's calling the FBI to help out. He also says that he is going to look into the Jewish Armed Resistance, look in their backgrounds, ect. 5 days later Irv Rubin and Meir Halevi of the Jewish Defence League show up at Zundel's place and try to hop over the wooden barrier at the front of his house. When thinking of the Jewish Defence League keep these things in mind: 1. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has declared them a Terrorist organization. 2. They have in the past done Arsons and made bombs (FBI report) IN 1981 the Jewish Defence League did: 1 actual bombing, 1 attempted bombing, 2 actual firebombing's, 1 attempted Firebombing, 1 shooting and 1 takeover. IN 1982 the Jewish Defence League was a bit more active. They did 5 actual Bombing's, 1 actual smoke bombing, and 1 arson. They also killed 1 person(Arson at the Tripoli restaurant, New York) and injured 7 other people. 3. In Metro Toronto the Jewish Defence League had this to say in the Toronto Sun Dec 24/92. Quote "We need to strike fear and terror into the hearts of the Neo-Nazi's. We have to take concrete action" The Jewish Armed Resistance is an offshoot of the Jewish Defence League. (Toronto Sun May 9/95) >: >The fact is that you can be a terrorist group all on your own. The >: >Unabomber seems to be one, for instance. You can also call yourself >: >anything you please. In fact, you can BE anything you please. It is >: >entirely possible that a lone person decided s/he was the group in >: >question, and wasn't going to tolerate any dissent about anything having >: >been inflicted on Jews. It is quite possible that one person revived the Jewish Armed Resistance and is now on a burning, killing spree. >: The fact is, the identity and affiliations, if any, of the person who >: called Dunphy are unknown. Lemire assumes that it must have been a >: member of a Jewish terrorist group. Why? Because the caller said he >: was. Good, solid evidence, that. > >Much better than yours. Thank you. I thought i said it enough, but I guess some are still a bit slow understanding it. >: It is entirely possible, as Ken McVay and I have pointed out, that it >: was someone attempting to divert blame for the arson on a Jewish >: group. Lemire chooses not to understand this. You have no proof of that. Why would someone do that? It is possible but why? Mr. Zundel does not care if Jewish people did it or White people did it. I'm sure he just wants justice. Mr. Zundel actually put up a $5,000 dollar reward for the arrest and conviction of the criminals who did this sick crime (Toronto Sun May 17/95) Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:57 PDT 1995 Article: 31488 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is lying Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:02:12 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <40smm7$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7908 alt.politics.correct:53852 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12562 alt.politics.white-power:12378 alt.revisionism:31488 alt.skinheads:25668 can.general:46210 can.legal:7093 can.politics:72770 ont.general:17746 In article , evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) wrote: >In article , > HAPLO wrote: > >>Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law >>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you >>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his >>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who >>has never done anything violent commit such a violent crime? > >Because he is a zealot, and he seeks publiclty for himself. Just because he seeks publicity, does not mean his house should be lit on fire, or bomb's let beside his garage. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:32:00 PDT 1995 Article: 31489 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth! Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:09:26 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 69 Message-ID: <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> <40qcnq$cit@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7909 alt.politics.correct:53853 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12563 alt.politics.white-power:12379 alt.revisionism:31489 alt.skinheads:25669 can.general:46211 can.legal:7094 can.politics:72771 ont.general:17747 In article <40qcnq$cit@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >In article , >HAPLO wrote: > >[Did Zundel torch his own home] > >> Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law >>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you >>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his >>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who >>has never done anything violent commit such a violent crime? > >Well, simply as idle speculation, the man does have a history of >theatrical behavior, and loves the limelight. He was ready with a >statement to the media (radio, television, newspapers) very quickly, >and got a lot of free publicity all over Canada... to Zundel, that >tranlates into money for his cause. Mr Zundel always has a fax machine near him. Every news outlet in Canada knows his phone number (416-922-9850) All Zundel had to do was stick a peice of paper in a fax machine with the number he was at and the media would flock to him. >I think Zundel has long craved being able to replace Gary Lauck as >the continent's (if not the world's) primary hate publisher, and now >that Lauck is out of the picture, at least temporarily, Zundel might >well have decided to create an opportunity to obtain sympathy, free >advertising, and new customers all at once. Well your wrong. They are not in some kind of twisted power struggle like you are trying to make it out like. They both publish books, but Zundel publishes different book's than Mr. Lauck. >Zundel probably made a bundle with his trials and subsequent >reversal by the SCC, and this might well have been an attempt to do >it again. > >Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun >accused the JAR of arson.... I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson. You are taking my words out of context. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:32:03 PDT 1995 Article: 31490 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:11:29 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 54 Message-ID: <40sn7k$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7910 alt.politics.correct:53854 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12564 alt.politics.white-power:12380 alt.revisionism:31490 alt.skinheads:25670 can.general:46212 can.legal:7095 can.politics:72772 ont.general:17748 In article , >From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) >>In article , >> HAPLO wrote: >> >>>Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law >>>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you >>>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his >>>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who >>>has never done anything violent commit such a violent crime? >> >>Because he is a zealot, and he seeks publiclty for himself. > >He's also more than a little cuckoo. Here we have the same fellow who >expends much of his life energy trying to prove that the holocaust >never occurred AND that there's a secret UFO base at the South Pole >run by aliens from another planet. It's so fitting. > >And from this basis Haplo is trying to argue that the man is playing >with a full deck, so how can anyone possibly suspect he'd do some >nutty thing? > Seems like you are the one "not playing with a full deck" >It hardly *proves* anything, but I think it's fair to say that >deriving his innocence from the claim that he's a basically sane and >stable guy is pretty funny. Seems obvious to me the man is two tacos >short of a combo plate. Once again, it seems that YOUR elevator does not quite reach the top. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:32:06 PDT 1995 Article: 31491 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The truth Continues Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:17:06 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 61 Message-ID: <40sni5$kil@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nn2$5eu@inforamp.net> <409f8c$fdb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40khgs$df5@inforamp.net> <40l8e2$11ts@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <40n6t9$p7k@inforamp.net> <40r6f6$1rhm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31491 alt.politics.white-power:12381 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12565 can.politics:72773 alt.skinheads:25671 In article <40r6f6$1rhm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: >: In article <40l8e2$11ts@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, >: dglenfie@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (David Glenfield) wrote: >: >Path: >: > >: >: I am not revising history Mr McVay. I am telling it how it is. >: > >: >"telling it how [you believe] it is" is how history is revised. Happens >: >all the time and is why we have people who study history.... > >: >Generally you can find the proof that "revisionist scholars" invent facts >: >in their own footnotes, or lack thereof. Another reason we study history >: >- so that people who think can spot these fakers. > > >: Name a couple then. Don't just say that they are liars. Prove it. Name this >: "revisionist scholar" that they invent facts in their footnotes. > >Do you mean the revisionist stuff that Zundle comes up with? I believe >he's more of a publisher than an author, but I'm not sure. Tell you >what, since it is unlikely that the two of us have read the same books, >how about you post the title and the author of, say, a WWII history text >that you'd recomend, I'll try to find and to read it. Then we can talk. >Until then I'm not in a good position to argue this point other than to >do the "yes it is/no it's not" type of arguement. Have you read Parker's >_The Struggle for Survival_? Other than that right now all I can do is >generalize and say that when an author is trying to say that Hitler was >mis-understood, he's full of shit. > > >: I would be most interested to hear who these people are. > >Give me a book, and I'll tell you what I think about it. If your looking for a historical debate... You have come to the wrong guy. I am not a revisionist and never claim to be. I am not that much into historical debates. I prefer more recent issues. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:32:10 PDT 1995 Article: 31492 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:25:35 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 106 Message-ID: <40so23$kil@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40kjph$df5@inforamp.net> <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org> <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net> <40s4uu$aa4@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12566 alt.revisionism:31492 alt.politics.white-power:12382 can.general:46214 alt.skinheads:25672 >In article <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote: >>>BEcause Ken isn't advertising a BBS... He's posting facts.. >>BULLSHIT. He posts files from his FTP site, which is an advertisement for his >>FTP site. Besides. I CAN post wherever I want top post. These conferences >>are for discussion about Revisionism, White prides and other topics. SO is my >>BBS. SO if you don't like reading my BBS ad..... DON'T > >No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM. Ken's posts are different every All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail. So I posted my Allfiles list for all to see. >time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he >doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!" Which is what you are >doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!" So what I try to attract people to my bbs. Big deal. >I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of >netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, >and you aren't god here. Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD! >>>Hey, aren't >>>you the same skullfuck that was posting ads for Herr ZzzzZZundel's >>>little book o' forged evidence? Namely "Did Six Million Really Die (or, >>Nope I have never posted an ad refering to the book "did six million really >>die?" But nice try loser. > >Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel. And >I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left >alone then too. (I still have it if you'd like to see it.) BULL SHIT. You lying idiot. I have never done such anything like that. Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world. >>>how I learned to stop worrying and hate the Jew)". I think that was >>>you... Are you asking for donations for your BBS? Mabye... I think >>>you're in the WP racket for the $$$. I don't blame you, a group of >>>people that stupid deserve to get exploited. >>Since you are not in the White Power movement, your opinions on it are >>irrelevant. We are not in this for the money. Since everything I pay for >>comes out of my own pocket. We are in this because this is a cause we believe >>in. > >Ahahahahahahha!!! Bull-shit, through and through. My opinion matters, >because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust >ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder >for your little game of Nazi chess. YES thats it. NAZI chess. Fuck your awsome! >You don't care? Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front >of your Furher freinds. But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, >because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop. Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming! >>>>I can post whatever I want, where every I want. And I will not let an idiot >>>>like you tell me where I can post or not post. >>>Yes you can. So can I. Don't you HATE it??? >>NO, why would I hate it? > >Look up a fiew lines. > >>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do. > >Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism. Nope. I don't. I believe in Direct Democracy. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:33 PDT 1995 Article: 31564 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:23:27 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 50 Message-ID: <40skdj$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net> <40obe0$74r@grivel.une.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12414 alt.revisionism:31564 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12590 can.politics:72823 alt.skinheads:25714 In article <40obe0$74r@grivel.une.edu.au>, >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: >: >: >: A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility. The caller said >: he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance. >: >: Also Mr. Dunphy (The reporter who took the call) would know my voice, so it >: certainly is not me. >: > >When I wanted to play a trick on my father, who is quite a card >when it cmes to such thngs, I rang him and disguised my voice and >accent. > >He fell for it, even though he has known me and my voice longer >than I can claim to know him. > >Perhaps Mr Dunphy knows you more intimately than my father knows me, >or perhaps he is impervious to disguises or perhaps you are incapable >of such subterfuge, or perhaps..... Yep, a Nazi under every rock. It must have been me who made the call. I put a real good Jewish accent on and called up my buddy Dunphy. "Oy Vay... I am from the Joowish Armed Resistance.... I burned that Naazi Zundel out. Death to all nazi's" Marc [16-line sig deleted] From bzs@world.std.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:39 PDT 1995 Article: 31567 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth In-Reply-To: cpn@euphoria.com's message of Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:50:06 GMT Message-ID: Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Organization: The World References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40sif2$kil@inforamp.net> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:53:20 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7931 alt.politics.correct:53929 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12591 alt.politics.white-power:12415 alt.revisionism:31567 alt.skinheads:25715 can.general:46276 can.legal:7118 can.politics:72824 ont.general:17805 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) >THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news! >The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax >for sure. Come on stop bullshitting. Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been defunct for around 20 years. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:42 PDT 1995 Article: 31568 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is lying Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:03:08 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 81 Message-ID: <40sj7h$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , > Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) chunders on: > >> There is quite alot more evidence. if you chose to ignore it that is your >> problem. >> >> There is the phone call, where a person claiming to be from the Jewish Armed >> resistance claimed responsibility for the firebombing. (Toronto Sun May 8, >> 1995) There is the remarks by the Metro Toronto Police that they are >> investigating the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun May 11, 1995) There is >> the heads of the Canadian and American Jewish Defence Leagues trying to hop >> over the protective barrier at the Zundel location(Only a few days >> afterward)(Now Magazine May 18-24, 1995). But when looking at the Jewish >> Defence league you must take into account that the Jewish Armed Resistance is >> an offshoot of the Jewish Defence league. That Irv Rubin came all the way up >> from the New York to do it. The Jewish Defence League is classed as a >> Terrorist organisation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and they >> have been responsible for numerous Arsons and bombings in the past. > > This is fascinating, if only to see Mr. Lemire's thought processes at > work. First, the phone call, which was from a person claiming that he > spoke for a little-known terrorist organization and claimed responsibility > for the burning of Zuendel's bunker. Not evidence. Then we have the > Toronto Metro Police, quite properly stating that they were following a > lead--they follow lots of leads, and obviously had to track this one down. > Again, not evidence. Then, sometime after the firebombing, we have a > couple of JDL people showing up, probably to gloat. They have never been Oh ya just some no-body people eh? They are the HEADS OF THE CANADIAN AND AMERICAN JEWISH DEFENCE LEAGUE. > connected to the act itself, and no arrests were made. This isn't > evidence. Finally, we are told that the JDL has done terrorist things at > other times. But this doesn't mean they were behind this particular > bombing, nor, for that matter, the FLQ bombings in Quebec, the pub > bombings in Belfast, or the Oklahoma bombings. Again, not evidence. But the Jewish Defence League has done VERY similar things like this in the past. SO if all of a sudden 2 leaders of the JDL show up in Toronto right after such a big event. That is more that just coming to "gloat" as you like to think. > Lemire and his followers have no concept of what evidence is, nor of > logical links between facts; rather, they seem to be into free > association. And they won't stop hallucinating, so I would suggest that we > leave them to it. > Your ignorace come through quite clear. If the facts don't go your way, well lets put the issue to rest... Quickly. Sorry but thats not how things work. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:45 PDT 1995 Article: 31569 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics,alt.illuminati,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is lying Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:24:41 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <40skft$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> <40oeiv$i36@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31569 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12592 alt.politics.white-power:12416 can.politics:72825 alt.illuminati:7932 alt.skinheads:25716 In article <40oeiv$i36@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: >>oooohhhh darn you caught me. You totally right.... It was me who started >>the fire. How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see a >>Nazi conspiracy under every rock. > > He's taking the piss out of you. Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a >clue! Taking the piss out of me? Boy I hope he's not doing it with his mouth.... Now thats a sick thought! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:48 PDT 1995 Article: 31570 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:27:15 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 43 Message-ID: <40skkm$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7933 alt.politics.correct:53930 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12593 alt.politics.white-power:12417 alt.revisionism:31570 alt.skinheads:25717 can.general:46277 can.legal:7119 can.politics:72826 ont.general:17806 In article , >In article <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org says... >> >>In article , >>HAPLO wrote: >>> I just have to jump in here. I seen the paper in wich Mr. Dunphy does >>>in fact claim he received a call from a Jewish group claiming >>>responsiblity. >> >>Yeah, I've seen it too.. and they never accused this Jewish Group, just >>said they got the call. Claiming the Jewish Armed Resistance did it >>without proof would be journalistic suicide. >> >> >>I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in >>Vancouver...convenient isn't it? Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house? Why would zundel burn his pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house? Nazi under every rock 'eh? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:52 PDT 1995 Article: 31571 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:29:57 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 44 Message-ID: <40skpp$kil@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com> <40kjph$df5@inforamp.net> <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org> <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12594 alt.revisionism:31571 alt.politics.white-power:12418 can.general:46278 alt.skinheads:25718 In article , atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote: >In article <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: >I still do not understand how you can sysop a BBS, and yet fail utterly to >understand the basic use of a text editor. > > :Since you are not in the White Power movement, your opinions on it are > :irrelevant. > >This is the second time around for this odd bit of reasoning. By your own >criteria, Mr. Lemire, as you are not black or jewish, your opinions of >these groups is irrelevant. Why don't you put what the other person said? He said they we "WP types" are getting ripped off in some kind of a racket. SO I said since you are not in the White Power movement your opinion on it is irrelevant. Because how would he know if we are getting ripped off by our own people, since he does not know any of them. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 22:30:43 PDT 1995 Article: 31588 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's (Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:13:36 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <40snbk$kil@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , >HAPLO wrote: > ># Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? > >Who knows, maybe those UFO's he used to talk about >ordered him to do so? > >Zundel used to write articles about a "secret UFO >base" in the South Pole. He claimed the Nazis built >these UFO's and fled there when the Reich fell, and that >they are still there. > >Zundel's followers nowadays claim he only "did it >for the publicity". I think there's a much simpler >explanation: like most other "Holocaust revisionists", >Zundel's crazy. > >Or there may be another explanation. Didn't Zundel also >publish ads, stating he wants to launch an expedition >to the South Pole, to look for these UFO's, and didn't >he ask for donations to fund this expedition? What >does this reflect on one's character? Bullshit. Where did he do this? Your statements show quite nicley your hateful character. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 22:30:46 PDT 1995 Article: 31589 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dachau gas chamber story blow apart Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:28:28 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 33 Message-ID: <40so7g$kil@inforamp.net> References: <808330040snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40sgii$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes: > >>HAHHAHAHA. Sure he saw a "gas chamber" but it was never used to KILL ANYONE. > >Oh. Well, that explains everything. Never mind. Why did you not quote the rest of my message? Especially where I mention that the Dachau "gas chamber" has a REMOVABLE SIGN that says that NO one was gassed there! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:35:58 PDT 1995 Article: 31659 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:36:37 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 46 Message-ID: <40v2ha$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> <40soou$ar@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7961 alt.politics.correct:54016 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12638 alt.politics.white-power:12476 alt.revisionism:31659 alt.skinheads:25769 can.general:46384 can.legal:7135 can.politics:72931 ont.general:17876 >haplo@idirect.com (HAPLO) writes: > >> > >> >I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in >> >Vancouver...convenient isn't it? >> >> >> Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law >> abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you >> stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his >> political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who >> has never done anything violent commit such a violent crime? >> > >Well, aside from insurance money, maybe he's trying to pin it on >a certain class of people? And wasn't Zundel deported at one time >or another? NO. From my understanding they tried to deport him, but he fought the order and won. But I am not totally sure. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:01 PDT 1995 Article: 31660 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:37:41 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 34 Message-ID: <40v2j9$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12639 alt.politics.white-power:12477 alt.revisionism:31660 can.politics:72932 alt.censorship:49532 alt.conspiracy:96246 In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote: >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > >: I have made very resonable statements. If you don't like them well thats too >: bad. > > Ah yes, Marc Lemire, the voice of "reson". Thats right! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:05 PDT 1995 Article: 31661 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:39:12 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <40v2m4$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <40suj3$qmm@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12640 alt.politics.white-power:12478 alt.revisionism:31661 can.politics:72933 alt.censorship:49533 alt.conspiracy:96247 In article <40suj3$qmm@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>, >From the smoke and mush, Lemire wrote: >>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay. If you do not like the facts I bring >>up... Too bad. > >Hey - is my site not getting any of the articles that Marc's posted that have, >you know, *facts* in 'em? All I'm getting here is poorly spelled bluster >repeated ad infinitum. Has the Canclepoodle peed on his puttees or what? > >Inquiringly, >Gregory > I have posted the facts. try reading them sometimes. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:07 PDT 1995 Article: 31662 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The Truth Continues Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:43:48 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 55 Message-ID: <40v2up$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net> <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net> <40pma0$jih@ionews.io.org> <40slqh$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31662 alt.politics.white-power:12479 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12641 can.politics:72934 alt.skinheads:25770 In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote: >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > >: he also does not have ANY evidence that the JAR did not do it. > > BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!! > > Whadda joke! BBS Boy thinking that the basic idea behind justice is to > prove you DIDN'T do something. Is that like, Canadian justice or something? Yes it's called a Reverse onest (sp?) situation. If you are charged with something like child molesting, you have to prove you didn't do it. Check out the Canadian Law books. It's in there. > > No evidence the JAR didn't do it? Nope -- t'ain't got any, nor do I have > evidence that the Illuminati, Bob Dobbs, Bigfoot, the Grey or Elvis didn't > do it either! It must be a conspiracy! They all didn't do it together! Well Mr. McVay seems to think there is some "nazi" conspiracy... not me. I am only pointing MY finger at the parties who are most likely quilty. > For this leap of logic, I here-by dub Marc Lemire "JAR-Head". WElcome to > your new nickname! Hope you enjoy it! > I kinda liked BBS boy better :) Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:12 PDT 1995 Article: 31663 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general,ont.general Subject: Re: >>>CANADA'S FREE SPEECH BBS <<< NOW OVER 500 USERS!!! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:45:00 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 36 Message-ID: <40v310$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40dpj1$bp7@ionews.io.org> <40kk80$df5@inforamp.net> <40lmns$1d0@ionews.io.org> <40sddt$kcv@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7962 alt.politics.correct:54017 alt.revisionism:31663 alt.politics.white-power:12480 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12642 alt.skinheads:25771 can.general:46385 can.politics:72935 ont.general:17877 In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote: >(cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > >:I am not a NAZI. And never will be a member of the Nazi party. So to call me >:a Nazi is quite an ignorant statement. > > And believe me, if there's one thing this guy knows about, it's ignorant > statements! > You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi. So YOU are the one who knows about Ignorant statements. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:15 PDT 1995 Article: 31664 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:47:39 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <40v35v$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> <40qcnq$cit@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net> <40t3th$lrc@knot.queensu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:7963 alt.politics.correct:54018 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12643 alt.politics.white-power:12481 alt.revisionism:31664 alt.skinheads:25772 can.general:46386 can.legal:7136 can.politics:72936 ont.general:17878 In article <40t3th$lrc@knot.queensu.ca>, 3arb@qlink.queensu.ca (Andy) wrote: >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: >: >Zundel probably made a bundle with his trials and subsequent >: >reversal by the SCC, and this might well have been an attempt to do >: >it again. >: > >: >Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun >: >accused the JAR of arson.... > >: I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. >: What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story >: where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson. You are taking my words >: out of context. > >The JAR? There is no such thing. Any idiot can make up a piece of paper >claiming responsibility on behalf of a fictional organisation. I think >it's quite likely that given the similarity of names between the JAR and >the WAR (White Aryan Resistance) it's MORE likely that the Jewish Armed >Resistance is simply a white racists idea of what a Jewish group might >call itself. Jews have always been used by Nazis as scapegoats and it >wouldn't surprise me if Zundel and company forged a claim of >responsibility in order to blame it on the Jews. Boy thats a good one. The Jewish Armed Resistance is really the White Aryan Resistance! How did you ever figure it out. Fuck, your intelligence is quite superior! Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:20 PDT 1995 Article: 31665 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:59:30 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 188 Message-ID: <40v3sa$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com> <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net> <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31665 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12644 alt.politics.white-power:12482 alt.skinheads:25773 can.politics:72937 ont.general:17879 alt.conspiracy:96248 In article <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net>, >In article <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: > >[mcvay] My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!" >>>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish >>>and Zionist organization should be paying me? While you're at it, >>>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can >>>get my letterheads printed correctly. > >>OK Kenny-boy. Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network. Their address is 6 Ben > >That's _really_ funny :-) I bet it is. >>Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel. Your contact person is Zvi Lando. (The follwoing >>information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149. >>ISSN number 1081-2385. The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale >>Research Inc.) > >This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier! Are you saying that the book is lying? Are you denying that you are not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network? >>Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 you >>are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a more >>direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer >>University) and the United Church. > >You are behind the times, Mr. Lemire, to say the least... the new computer >(nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) went on-line on April 20 of this year. The >United Church agreement expired on March 31 of this year, and was not >renewed (at my request, the funding was moved closer to home, and >was once again a temporary agreement - which expires on October 1, >when I hope to have my foundation registered with the Canadian government), >etc. > >All of this information, by the way, is clearly outlined on the Nizkor >Web, at www.almanac.bc.ca for those who, unlike Mr. Lemire, like >to know what's really going on. So who is paying you now? >>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the >>Internet costs" let me fill you in. >> >>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's >>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH. If he is really >>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE >>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. This connection runs off a PPP capable synchronous >>router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc) > >My 28.8k PPP link costs me $350.00 a month, and was paid by public donation. >That, too, is public information, and always has been. I never said it wasn't. I was just replying to you who asked who was paying you. >Before Mr. Lemire arrived on the scene, back when Mr. Hoffman and Mr. (Tim) >McCarthy were making similar (and equally silly) claims, I promised both >of them that any donations would be used to put a server on the net. >Six months later, I delivered on the promise. Why are these claim's "silly" Is it silly to ask you where you get your money from? Of course it's not. If you are making public where you get money from, well thats great. I would personally like to know. (Out of interest) >The computer, by the way, Mr. Lemire, was _given_ to me by a Vancouver >dealer who couldn't sell it because it was obsolete (486/33). He is, >for the record, a conservative Christian. What a nice guy. >>That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding. (At >>least the printed places) > >The source of my funding has never been anything but public, Mr. Lemire. >You'll find references to it all over my Web site. (Does it surprise you to >learn that people will assist an effort to combat hate on the net, Mr. >Lemire? Personally, I hope they continue to do so, so I can replace this >486 with a SPARC 50 and a Ubiquity line. I'll be able to do a much more >efficient job then.) No it does not surprise me. Actaully I wish you the best of luck. >People also donate their time, Mr. Lemire - research, HTML programming, >transcription service... volunteers, all. Thanks to them, we will >soon begin the job of converting fifty megs of material to HTML, >adding the complete IMT set, and stuff like that. Well thats great. I can't wait to see it. >We might even start an "Adopt a Hate-Monger" program, wherein volunteers >will agree to donate an hour of their time every time their adopted >hatemonger posts an article here. Perhaps someone will adopt _you_, >Mr. Lemire, so you, too, will be actively contributing to the value >of my WWW site... given your habit of spamming all over the net, I'd >really like that! Gee I hope you adopt me. I would love to argue with you till we both go blue in the face. Maybe us "Nazi's" should have an "adopt-a-jew" program. Who knows maybe I'll be the volunteer who gets you. >Watch for an announcement about the "Adopt a Hate-Monger" campaign, >which may appear here within the next month. (We're not quite ready >for the expected flood of volunteers from this program, but should be >soon, so if you'd like to donate an hour of your time for every Lemire >post, hold the though, but don't narrow your sights on Lemire... you >have a rich source of hatemongers to choose from, and the others might >feel slighted if they were unable to contribute to the success of the >Nizkor Web because no-one would adopt them!) > >Feel free to make a donation - I'll see to it that you receive your >tax deduction. Wow... You even get to give tax deductions. Boy you really have set up quite a nice business. >An American agency (not remotely Jewish, not that it matters) should >be announced soon. > >Thank you for raising the issue of funding again, Mr. Lemire. The last >time that was done here, I received donations from all over the world; >these donations were sufficient to provide the internet link for an entire >year... with any luck at all, you might be able to claim responsibility >for keeping me on the net for another year - nice gesture. Well You know, being the nice guy that I am. Oh by the way, thanks to you I have gotten quite alot of new prospects to our Internet Mailing service, and we have also received a nice amount of Donations to keep Canada's most controversial BBS going. So I guess we help each other. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:23 PDT 1995 Article: 31666 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general Subject: Re: Nazi's in the Canadian Armed Forces Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:20:52 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 77 Message-ID: <40v549$ss0@inforamp.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31666 can.politics:72940 ont.general:17881 In article , >Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in >Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. I am not a Nazi apologist. Where is the proof to this bullshit! >Without inviting a flame war, I would be interested in debate on the >following: do Canadian citizens have an interest in just who is "standing >on guard for thee"? Was Somalia, in fact, an aberration, or is there a >more general problem? Was Tory Minister of Defence Harvie Andre right when Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained and most reliable. Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of critisism, they had high moral. But it is typical to the Canadian attitude. When the Americans have a Hero they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore. If they are lucky they will even meet the President. But in Canada, a Hero is treated nice for a day, then thats it. No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big medal ceromonies, no big hoopla. That is why the Moral in the Canadian Forces is quite low right now. Everyday they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them. Shutting down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit. There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in the end only create more. You have to remember that most CF soldiers are White and are males. And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is NOT a factor. We consider ourselves a big group. Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not White. It's all part of the job. Just like being in the Airborne. They all have a respect for each other. Even if they are racist inside, it does not get in the way of teh duty and job they have. When racism does get in the way and their duties cannot be fufilled. Then that person is let go from Military service. >he stated that nazis should be permitted in the Canadian Armed Forces >because this was a matter of freedom of belief? Or are there wider policy >implications involved? I must agree with him. There are every kind of racist in the Canadian Forces. There are Black racists, White racists, Oriental racists, etc. But in our charter of rights and freedoms, we are guarenteed the right to have our own beliefs and opinions. If I feel superior because I am White, I have that option. If I feel superior because I am Black, I also have the right to do that. We in a Free and democratic society should have the right to hate who we want. If you don't like "One eyed, green haired" people, well your free to do that. But once you start causing physical harm to them, the law steps in and says "thats not right, go to jail". I agree with that. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:26 PDT 1995 Article: 31667 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:23:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 61 Message-ID: <40v59j$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com> <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net> <40skm9$2ll@daily-planet.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31667 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12648 alt.politics.white-power:12488 alt.skinheads:25774 can.politics:72941 ont.general:17882 alt.conspiracy:96251 In article , writes: >>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: >> >>> >>>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the >>>Internet costs" let me fill you in. >>> >>>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's >>>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH. If he is really >>>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE >>>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. >> >>If these figures are correct, we Americans should run as far as possible >>away from anything resembling the Canadian style of government. I can get >>a T1 line for $650 / month. If these figures are not correct, it appears >>that Mr. Lemire has an ax to grind, and reserve judgement on his post >>until such time as he quotes from cited sources and we find they are >>verifiable. >> These figues are quoted right out of the UUNET's price guide, faxed to me 2 days ago. >I've had ISDN lines quoted to me at about $90/month with a $400 setup fee, >I'd say that mr. lemire is completely out to lunch on his "fee" quotes. >even then, it's easy to a: assume that UUNET is the most expensive, and It is possible that UUNET is the most expensive, I am not sure on that. >b: nice round numbers are easy to pull out of hats. Like I mentioned earlier, I quoted directly from the UUNET price guide. So none of these numbers are "pulled out of my hat" Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:32 PDT 1995 Article: 31670 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:27:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40v91i$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40uk6n$227$3@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31670 alt.politics.white-power:12494 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12651 alt.skinheads:25775 >Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by >adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United >States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable >witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. >George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, >Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, >Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. >Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M. >Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey >Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these >distinguished gentlemen? They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in FACT it was NOT. Here is some evidence to prove my claim. 1. There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas chamber was never used to kill people. 2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were ever gassed at Dachau. 3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau. Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there. Proof for this claim. 1. George Stevens Jr. WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated that German guards were "Shot on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that "we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards" and "we killed every SS in Dachau". 2. From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner (Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret) he gives these numbers of German dead. -Shot on the spot 122 -Killed by camp inmates 40 -Machine gunned by "Birdeye" 12 -Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead 346 Total killed 520 Killed in combat 30 Escaped (temporarily) 10 ------------------------------------- TOTAL 560 Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:38 PDT 1995 Article: 31673 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:41:19 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 137 Message-ID: <40v9r4$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kgir$df5@inforamp.net> <40sgbd$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12653 alt.revisionism:31673 alt.politics.white-power:12499 can.general:46398 alt.skinheads:25778 can.politics:72946 can.legal:7138 >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: >>>>>In article <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire again posts his >>>>>"MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS" advertisement, and once again it contains >>>>>the lie about who torched Zundel's house. >>>>> >>>>>Mr. Lemire has posted this advertisement, in one flavour or another, >>>>>a minimum of 9 times since June 28. Each time, he includes the lie >>> >>>>Well you post your "anti-revisionist" material every 45 days. So big deal >>how >>>>many times I have posted my BBS advertisement. >>> >>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand >>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...) > > >>HAHAHHA. They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by e-mail >>thingy. > >Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information >about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie >that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed >Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and >Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to >retrieve copies of those files and others. My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site. There is very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and mine is accessible only via phone lines. >Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not. Now that is a Lie. My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial Enterprise. It is the same as McVays FTP site. He accepts donations to help keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running. >You are spamming the Net with ads, pure and simple. I can and will. And it's not spamming since the conferences I post the BBS add to are all relevant. >>>> [...deletia...] >>>>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed >>>>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson. >>> >>>Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most >>>convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later. >>>It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called >>>Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with >>>the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago! > >>CAN'T YOU READ??? There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON. The >>Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN. > >None of this constitutes proof that the JDL, JAR, or any other >organization was responsible for the Zundel bombing. They have the motive and the means. Read the book called "Chief" written by former Police chief Albert A. Seedman. In it on page 332 and 333 he talks about 12 members of the JDL being arrested for Arson, Murder and many other violent offences. This in itself does not mean that the Jewish Defence League or the Jewish Armed resistance did the crime but they DO have motive and they DO have the means to do such things. >>>< > >>> >>>What, exactly, do the activities of the JDL thirteen years ago prove >>>about the arson of Zundel's house? Absolutely nothing, Lemire. You >>>have no evidence that the caller was with the JDL, you have no >>>evidence that the caller was connected to the arson, your BBS ad is >>>still a lie, and you are still a liar. > >>Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not. I on the other hand >>have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED >>RESISTANCE. > >And all you have is an anonymous caller's statement. You have >absolutely no evidence that the caller was, in fact, associated with >the group. You choose to believe that he was, but your belief is not >proof. >I would also point out that lack of evidence for an alternative is not >evidence in favor of a given theory. There is no evidence that the >fourth planet of Wolf-359 is not populated entirely by clones of Cindy >Crawford. That is not evidence that it is. Do you see the analogy to >your own argument, or need I spell it out in excruciating detail? > >OK, I will. There is no evidence that the caller was not associated >with the JAR. That, however, is not proof that he is. His identity, in >fact, is entirely unkown. Your assertion that he was definitely >associated with the JAR is based solely on your own belief, not on any >verifiable evidence. Well I never stated that HE absolutley WAS with the Jewish Armed Resistance. I mearly stated that the CALLER claimed that he was. You are correct there is not definate proof that the caller was from the JAR. And on the other hand there is no proof that he was not. But like I said before they (JDL, JAR) have the motives and have the means to do such a crime. That does not mean that they did the crime but at the present time they do seem like the most logical suspect(s) to start with. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:40 PDT 1995 Article: 31674 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed? Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:44:10 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 [Blah, Blah deleted] >"Was there a gas chamber at Dachau?" Yes or no. It is that >simple. Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people. There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says this chamber was never used to gas people. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:51:25 PDT 1995 Article: 31731 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:40:32 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <40v693$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com> <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31731 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12678 alt.politics.white-power:12542 alt.skinheads:25830 can.politics:73022 ont.general:17953 alt.conspiracy:96408 In article , >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote: > > >> ** CANADIAN PATRIOTS NETWORK ** >> ** MAIL: 152 Carlton St. Suite 545, Toronto, ** > >If I am correct, this address is right in the middle of the St >Jamestown/Regent's Park area of Toronto. > Nope. Jamestown is about 5 blocks North and Regent Park is 3 blocks South and 2 blocks East. My address is in a place called Cabbagetown. Which is in the middle of the two and goes more west. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:51:28 PDT 1995 Article: 31732 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:42:32 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 43 Message-ID: <40v6cr$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12679 alt.politics.white-power:12543 alt.revisionism:31732 can.politics:73023 alt.censorship:49610 alt.conspiracy:96409 In article , >> >> Not really. If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of >> people. My E-mailing list is around 700+ people. Combine that with >others we >> have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us. So we are winning >> the war on the Internet... NOT YOU! >> >> > >This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and >email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really >can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with >a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about >two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet. Well it's also inceasing by the day. As the Internet increases so do we. The majority of Internet users have at least E-mail. So that is where we are concentrating. WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:51:31 PDT 1995 Article: 31733 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics,alt.illuminati,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:43:34 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 34 Message-ID: <40v6ep$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> <40p3v0$n67@access4.digex.net> <40skvi$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31733 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12680 alt.politics.white-power:12544 can.politics:73024 alt.illuminati:7994 alt.skinheads:25831 In article , > >> I never said it was absolute proof. I just offered it as some proof of why I >> believe why it was the Jewish Armed Resistance who are the ones responsible >> for the Fiorbombing of Zundels home. > >Please enlighten the rest of the world as to the nature of your other proof? Holy Shit. I am NOT going over it again and again for you. Just look back at my old messages and you can read about it there. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:25 PDT 1995 Article: 31775 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is full of truth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:05:39 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 62 Message-ID: <40v47o$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40qcnq$cit@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net> <40t5th$2vu@nanaimo.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8012 alt.politics.correct:54128 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12693 alt.politics.white-power:12562 alt.revisionism:31775 alt.skinheads:25847 can.general:46500 can.legal:7172 can.politics:73073 ont.general:17971 >In article <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: > >[mcvay] > >>>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun >>>accused the JAR of arson.... > >>I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. >>What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story >>where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson. You are taking my words >>out of context. > >Out of context, Mr. Lemire? Let's see: > >Your ad stated "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*" > >....and... > >"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)" > >That's the full context, Mr. Lemire. A clear, concise statement that >the Toronto Sun said the fire was "lit" by the JAR. > >A lie, Mr. Lemire. It was claimed in the Toronto Sun. Here is exactly what the opening article said. QUOTE"[Headline] Zionist group claims arson" QUOTE " A shawdowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher Ernst Zundel. A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance movement" contacted the Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for the attack which caused extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home and left three tenants from the Adjoining building homeless." I was right in what I said. The fire was claimed in the Toronto Sun. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:33 PDT 1995 Article: 31780 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:32:48 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 103 Message-ID: <40v5ql$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kgir$df5@inforamp.net> <40sgbd$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12698 alt.revisionism:31780 alt.politics.white-power:12566 can.general:46504 alt.skinheads:25853 can.politics:73079 can.legal:7174 In article , >> >>In it it refers to the Jewish Defence League as a terrorist >organization and >> >>also keeps records on how many terrorist acts they did in that year. IN >> 1982 >> >>they listed as committing 5 actual bombings, 1 attempted smoke bombing, 1 >> >>arson, injuring 7 people and killing 1. They also mention the United >Jewish >> >>underground which had 1 attempted bombing. >> > >> >>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed >> >>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson. >> > >> >Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most >> >convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later. >> >It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called >> >Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with >> >the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago! >> >> CAN'T YOU READ??? There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON. The >> Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN. > > >Apparently Lemire you don't read what YOU write. You make accusations >against the JAR which is listed (according to you) as having committed >arson once. the JDL, which, according to what you say seems to be a Thats not true. They have commited other crimes back in the 70's. I will have to research exactly what crimes they were. Maybe Mr. McVay could help us out here. >totally different group committed a number (according to you) of terrorist >crimes. You have made no link between the JDL and the JAR. You cannot now What arw you talking about. The Jewish Armed Resistance is an offshoot of the Jewish Defence League (Toronto Sun May 9/95) So there the link. >accuse the JAR of having been behind JDL activies in the eighties. You >cannot accuse the JAR of torching zundel's home based on acts carried out >but the JDL in the eighties, nor can you accuse the JAR of torching >Zundel's home based on one act in 1982. Make your choice. Who do you >accuse? The JAR or the JDL? I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is also very violent. I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of lighting the fire at Zundel's house. But both the leaders of the Canadian and American Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. Zundel's house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing. >> Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not. I on the other hand >> have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED >> RESISTANCE. > >Once again the fallacy of your logic and your refusal to see obvious >mistakes inherent in your argument astound me. How anybody could be so >dense is beyond me. Well whatever. You have your opinions and I have mine. I believe they are the most logical suspects right now. If you do not, thats fine. >>And the JDL is just as dangerous as they were then, if not more. >> I have looked for the newest FBI report btu I believe they keep them secret >> for 10 years before releasing it to the public. But this I am not sure on. > >If you don't know what the FBI thinks about the JDL then how on earth can >you assert that they are just as dangerous as they may have been in the >early eighties? Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at people. So they are quite violent. In the states they have thrown acid in peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests) Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:36 PDT 1995 Article: 31781 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:38:11 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 81 Message-ID: <40v64n$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40sif2$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8015 alt.politics.correct:54134 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12699 alt.politics.white-power:12567 alt.revisionism:31781 alt.skinheads:25854 can.general:46505 can.legal:7175 can.politics:73080 ont.general:17973 In article , anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >> THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news! >> The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax >> for sure. Come on stop bullshitting. >> > >You are putting words in my mouth. The police do consider the call to be >little more than a hoax. The Sun while never printing an article claiming >the call was a hoax does consider the call to be such. And could you please give me proof that the Police and the Toronto Sun believe the call was a hoax. I have NEVER seen an article stating either of the two things you are claiming. >> >> Can you please cite Canadian case law to back up what you are saying? >> > >Case law would not be the relevant source - evidence such as you claim is >proof would not be admitted in court. Thankfully, the judicial system does >not tolerate false logic. You would wish to examine the rules of evidence >and admissibility which clearly maintain that you cannot claim there is a >fire where you see smoke especially when the smoke may not even be smoke >(thanks to a previous poster for this analogy). OK then please show me where in Canadian Law books you are refering to? Are you now a judge, and is the Internet suddenly a court room? >> >> What outright lies are you talking about? What sudden "factual alterations" >> are you refering to? >> > >Refer to you previous post in which you claimed Mr. Dunphy of the Sun >maintained that the caller was a member of the JAR and that he had >verified this using caller-id. That is what I was told. Just because it was not in the article does not mean thats what happened. People in Toronto here talk to Mr. Dunphy quite regularly. But now I do not think that he got it from his call display. I was given "false news". That does not mean I lied. > >> >> It seems like you are the one writting garbage, buddy! >> > >Perhaps you think so. Then again, it concerns me not a whit what you think >of me. Thats good, since I don't care what you think of me either. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:39 PDT 1995 Article: 31782 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BS: The truth Continues Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:46:51 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 34 Message-ID: <40v6ku$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net> <40sjf0$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31782 alt.politics.white-power:12568 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12700 can.politics:73081 alt.skinheads:25855 In article , anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote: >> Sarcasm is not your strong suit. Don't quite your day job. (I hope it's not >> like McVay in a gas station) >> > >What difference does it make that Mr. McVay works in a gas station ? Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas station. But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:42 PDT 1995 Article: 31783 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:49:18 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 36 Message-ID: <40v6pi$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40sif2$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8016 alt.politics.correct:54135 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12701 alt.politics.white-power:12569 alt.revisionism:31783 alt.skinheads:25856 can.general:46508 can.legal:7176 can.politics:73083 ont.general:17974 In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) wrote: >From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) >>THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news! >>The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax >>for sure. Come on stop bullshitting. > >Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been >defunct for around 20 years. Well if you look at places like Ireland, it only takes one nut to do crazy things and revive a group that has been inactive for years. Just becuase it has been inactive for a while does not mean that it is gone. Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:45 PDT 1995 Article: 31784 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:52:28 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <40v6vf$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <40kg3o$df5@inforamp.net> <40mtkg$dl9@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12702 alt.politics.white-power:12570 alt.revisionism:31784 can.politics:73084 alt.censorship:49633 alt.conspiracy:96488 >In article <40mtkg$dl9@ionews.io.org>, wrote: > >>>Hate Laws hate Whites, Hate laws hate truth! > >>Hate laws frown on hate. > >Actually, by making it illegal, hate laws *hate* hate... >which means they really render themselves illegal. Nope in Canada the "Hate" laws have only been succesfully used against Whites. And about the part where I quote Gary Schipper saying "hate laws hate truth" I believe he is refering to the case of John Ross Taylor where in his court case the judge said [quote]"truth does not matter" {In reguards to his stand on the Jews} Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:49 PDT 1995 Article: 31785 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The truth Continues Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:00:52 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 111 Message-ID: <40v7f8$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net> <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net> <40pmt7$n2s@ionews.io.org> <40ua9t$bmt@grivel.une.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31785 alt.politics.white-power:12571 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12703 can.politics:73085 alt.skinheads:25857 >lzaird@io.org wrote: >: In article <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >: >In article <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >: > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >: >>>Oh please.... The Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility for the >: >>>firebombing not ME. So the guilty finger certainly points to them. >: >>No, Mr. Lemire, that is not the way it went down. An anonymous >: >>caller _claiming_ to represent a long-defunct group, _claimed_ >: >>responsibility for the act. >: >And your point. A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility >: >for the bombing. Yes your also right that they claimed that they belong to >: >the Jewish Armed Resistance. >: >: His point is, the caller alleged he was from the JAR, but it could have >: easily been one of the Zundelkin, playing make-believe. I could call >: the Sun tomorrow and say that The Heritidge Front did it because they >: thought Zundel needed to lighten up a bit. But they won't say "The >: Heritidge Front did it!" Because they have no real proof, just a phone >: call... >: >: That's what you're doing though. All we ask is that you say >: "Photographs of Zundel's house being burned by unknown parties." Is >: that so hard? I will change my BBS's advertisement just to make you all happy. I have recieved quite alot of private E-mail asking to cut down on this topic, so for the sake of going on to another subject, i'll change the bbs advertisement. I was actually going to along time ago, but since it created such a stir I left the part about Zundel in. Just changed it slightly. >: >>There is no proof whatsover that the anon. caller either represented >: >>this long-defunct group, or that the anon. caller committed the >: >>arson. None. Zip. Squat. >: >Exept that the person who called said they represented the group. Don't >: >forget that. >: >: Yeah, but who was that person, and did they represent that group? See >: my example above. The person claimed to represent the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun May 9/95) >: >>There is no proof whatsoever that Ernst Zundel himself did not make >: >>the call, hoping to cast aspersions on the Jews in order to raise >: >>money for his hate-mongering. None. Zip. Squat. >: >OH please. Get real McVay. >: >: I wouldn't put it past him, he is one for showmanship. >: >: >There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?! >: >: No, just a Nazi. Plots require planning, planning requires independant >: thought. >: >: >>There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call, >: >>or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call. >: >Well sure there is. Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize my >: >voice on the phone. After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for over 1 >: >and a half years. As for you. Well I doubt that even you are stupid enough >: >to do such a thing. >: >: Oh, that was you? Ahahahahah! You should have made it a sex-line, >: there would have been more money and less lies. I challenge you to point OUT ONE LIE I SAID ON MY HOTLINE. If you are going to claim I lie on my hotline... back it up!!! >Has none of you ever ponder the significance of Zundel's name? >A matchstick in German is "Zundholz" (Umlaut omitted) and >"Zundel" is a good diminutive for it. > >Now doesn't that make it obivois that Zundel himself should >be a prime suspect? The very NAME he uses is a hint to his >activities! What a stupid notion. Where do you guys come up with this stuff??? Marc [16-line sig deleted] From bzs@world.std.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:56 PDT 1995 Article: 31789 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth In-Reply-To: cpn@euphoria.com's message of Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:49:18 GMT Message-ID: Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Organization: The World References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40sif2$kil@inforamp.net> <40v6pi$ss0@inforamp.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 03:39:02 GMT Lines: 38 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8017 alt.politics.correct:54150 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12713 alt.politics.white-power:12582 alt.revisionism:31789 alt.skinheads:25861 can.general:46515 can.legal:7182 can.politics:73101 ont.general:17979 >In article , > bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) wrote: > >>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) >>>THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news! >>>The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax >>>for sure. Come on stop bullshitting. >> >>Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been >>defunct for around 20 years. > > >Well if you look at places like Ireland, it only takes one nut to do crazy >things and revive a group that has been inactive for years. Just becuase it >has been inactive for a while does not mean that it is gone. Aha, progress! One nut. Thank you, I'll take it. One nut. End of argument, we agree that this group doesn't exist as an identifiable group and ceased existence around 20 years ago. So it's possibly one nut. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:53:55 PDT 1995 Article: 31824 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts3-12 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 12:36:40 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3-12.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31824 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12746 alt.politics.white-power:12622 alt.skinheads:25887 alt.conspiracy:96643 can.politics:73178 >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people. > >>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says >>this chamber was never used to gas people. > >You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something. >How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or >is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind >that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer. The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom. You can move the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily. >So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign? It is very important. When you remove the sign that says there were no gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence. One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing factory. What a sickness. When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and began beating the German Sheppard dogs. I was just looking at one of the pictures taken by an American photographer who was there. It really made my stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and there former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head. And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's! Information like this really makes you think twice. Marc Lemire [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 13:26:42 PDT 1995 Article: 12534 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-13 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: New Nationalist BBS Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:07:27 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 56 Message-ID: <40scej$kcv@inforamp.net> References: <40e6qt$q3s@news.csus.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <40e6qt$q3s@news.csus.edu>, abrown@acme.csusb.edu (Ashley Brown) wrote: > > > O U R N A T I O N B B S > > > Connecting you to the White community, > connecting us to the world. > > (909) 624-8474 > > Our Nation BBS is a new computer bulletin board whose > main purpose is to be a service to the White community. > It is also for those not already familiar with the beliefs > and practices of our community to experience them firsthand. > We welcome all those who are genuinely interested in either > contributing or learning from it in a positive way. > Some of the services that the Our Nation BBS provides > are: Email to other users, discussion groups, an online > library, Vanguard online, and a community calendar. It > serves as a central, online meeting place for members of > the White community and as a clearinghouse of information. > > > O U R N A T I O N B B S > > (909) 624-8474 I'm glad to hear it! Good luck with your new BBS. Marc Lemire DIGITAL FREEDOM SYSOP [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 13:27:47 PDT 1995 Article: 12651 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:27:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40v91i$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40uk6n$227$3@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31670 alt.politics.white-power:12494 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12651 alt.skinheads:25775 >Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by >adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United >States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable >witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. >George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, >Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, >Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. >Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M. >Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey >Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these >distinguished gentlemen? They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in FACT it was NOT. Here is some evidence to prove my claim. 1. There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas chamber was never used to kill people. 2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were ever gassed at Dachau. 3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau. Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there. Proof for this claim. 1. George Stevens Jr. WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated that German guards were "Shot on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that "we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards" and "we killed every SS in Dachau". 2. From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner (Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret) he gives these numbers of German dead. -Shot on the spot 122 -Killed by camp inmates 40 -Machine gunned by "Birdeye" 12 -Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead 346 Total killed 520 Killed in combat 30 Escaped (temporarily) 10 ------------------------------------- TOTAL 560 Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 19:37:57 PDT 1995 Article: 12494 of alt.politics.white-power Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:27:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40v91i$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40uk6n$227$3@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31670 alt.politics.white-power:12494 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12651 alt.skinheads:25775 >Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by >adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United >States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable >witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. >George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, >Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, >Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. >Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M. >Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey >Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these >distinguished gentlemen? They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in FACT it was NOT. Here is some evidence to prove my claim. 1. There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas chamber was never used to kill people. 2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were ever gassed at Dachau. 3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau. Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there. Proof for this claim. 1. George Stevens Jr. WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated that German guards were "Shot on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that "we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards" and "we killed every SS in Dachau". 2. From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner (Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret) he gives these numbers of German dead. -Shot on the spot 122 -Killed by camp inmates 40 -Machine gunned by "Birdeye" 12 -Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead 346 Total killed 520 Killed in combat 30 Escaped (temporarily) 10 ------------------------------------- TOTAL 560 Marc [16-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sat Aug 19 01:12:06 PDT 1995 Article: 25775 of alt.skinheads Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts1-16 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:27:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 74 Message-ID: <40v91i$ss0@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40uk6n$227$3@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-16.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31670 alt.politics.white-power:12494 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12651 alt.skinheads:25775 >Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by >adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United >States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable >witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. >George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, >Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, >Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. >Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M. >Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey >Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these >distinguished gentlemen? They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in FACT it was NOT. Here is some evidence to prove my claim. 1. There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas chamber was never used to kill people. 2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were ever gassed at Dachau. 3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau. Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there. Proof for this claim. 1. George Stevens Jr. WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated that German guards were "Shot on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that "we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards" and "we killed every SS in Dachau". 2. From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner (Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret) he gives these numbers of German dead. -Shot on the spot 122 -Killed by camp inmates 40 -Machine gunned by "Birdeye" 12 -Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead 346 Total killed 520 Killed in combat 30 Escaped (temporarily) 10 ------------------------------------- TOTAL 560 Marc [16-line sig deleted] From bzs@world.std.com Sat Aug 19 01:14:25 PDT 1995 Article: 25934 of alt.skinheads Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! In-Reply-To: cpn@euphoria.com's message of Fri, 18 Aug 95 12:36:40 GMT Message-ID: Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Organization: The World References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:03:52 GMT Lines: 107 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31899 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12796 alt.politics.white-power:12671 alt.skinheads:25934 alt.conspiracy:96802 can.politics:73276 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) >It is very important. When you remove the sign that says there were no >gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence. You say "German", I say "Nazi", but... Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of this. But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you over beers one night, maybe complete bull. Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know. >One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the >chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing >factory. What a sickness. Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory". Overall it's hardly misleading. >When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting >many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and >began beating the German Sheppard dogs. Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description? I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room one day. It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678: Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up against a wall. See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended press reports than analytic histories.) I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course they're free to look into other sources if they like. Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our far removed and comfortable sensibilities. Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the circumstances. At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't. History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.) So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted? For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same source, Gilbert, same page.) So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a "killing factory". Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation. As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or unjustified, the horrible result. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From bzs@world.std.com Sat Aug 19 09:57:03 PDT 1995 Article: 12671 of alt.politics.white-power Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! In-Reply-To: cpn@euphoria.com's message of Fri, 18 Aug 95 12:36:40 GMT Message-ID: Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Organization: The World References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:03:52 GMT Lines: 107 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:31899 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12796 alt.politics.white-power:12671 alt.skinheads:25934 alt.conspiracy:96802 can.politics:73276 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) >It is very important. When you remove the sign that says there were no >gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence. You say "German", I say "Nazi", but... Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of this. But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you over beers one night, maybe complete bull. Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know. >One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the >chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing >factory. What a sickness. Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory". Overall it's hardly misleading. >When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting >many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and >began beating the German Sheppard dogs. Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description? I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room one day. It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678: Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up against a wall. See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended press reports than analytic histories.) I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course they're free to look into other sources if they like. Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our far removed and comfortable sensibilities. Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the circumstances. At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't. History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.) So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted? For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same source, Gilbert, same page.) So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a "killing factory". Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation. As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or unjustified, the horrible result. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:28:51 PDT 1995 Article: 32060 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics Subject: Re: Response from Lemire Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:07:11 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 98 Message-ID: <416frh$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40s68r$g3r@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12902 alt.politics.white-power:12781 alt.revisionism:32060 alt.skinheads:26051 can.politics:73500 >In article , >HAPLO wrote: >> But You have to remeber that Mr. Zundel has Has been attacked in the >>Past By jewish groups. Threats Have been made and Violence Done to him. >>This would Help make the Claim from this group be taken more serious. Mr. >>Zundel has Never done anything But voice his opinion. What is wrong with >>that. This is suppose to be a free country. I guess free speech is really >>dead when People have to watch what they say for fear of being killed for >>it. > >If your mother and father died, and some guy was claiming they never >existed in the first place, wouldn't that upset you a bit? If we were >all pacifists, Zundel and his related ilk wouldn't even exist... That's >reality for ya! I have never heard Zundel say that no Jews dies in camps. He says that the story as we are told it, by the media, is not the way it happened. I believe he also says that NO Jews, or anybody, was killed in Gas Chambers by some sort of a homocidal plan by the Nazi's to systematically kill off Jew's. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:28:57 PDT 1995 Article: 32061 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:20:40 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 136 Message-ID: <416gkq$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> <408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12903 alt.politics.white-power:12782 alt.revisionism:32061 can.politics:73501 alt.censorship:49877 alt.conspiracy:97213 >In article <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >> >: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, >> >: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >> >: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of >> >: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they >> >: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets. >> > >> >: Under our sheets??? >> > >> >: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy? >> > > >I assumed Ken's allegory implied that you "revisionists" play with your >"ideas" much like pubescent boys play with their wankers... in desperate >frustration. For the 1st point, I am not and have never claimed to be a Revisionist. So your are mistaken on that point. On the second point, I must disagree with you. The revisionists have put up quite a solid wall for quite along time. Due to the nature of a revisionist "revising history" they are constantly revising there beliefs on things due to the new evidence coming to the fore, every year. >> >: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more >> >: support by the day. > >See "playing with one's wanker", above. > >> >Really? Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no >> >support for your twisted views. >> >> Like what Twisted views are you talking about? > >Like that spewing lies long and loud enough will make them true maybe? >Seems pretty twisted to me... My point exactly. Mcvay can yak as long as he wants to. >> I have made very resonable statements. > >See "spewing lies" above. > >If you don't like them well thats too bad. > >Yup. It _is_ too bad. It is _very_ bad. It is also disgusting, vile, >reprehensible, dishonest, cowardly... > >All in all it pretty much describes something a pathetic little wretch >like you would do. You have to resort to name calling. ..... wah, wah! Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:02 PDT 1995 Article: 32062 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:27:10 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 101 Message-ID: <416h0v$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40pi11$e5q@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com> <40slir$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12783 alt.revisionism:32062 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12904 can.politics:73502 alt.skinheads:26052 >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>The caller said he was. I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot prove >>who he isn't. > >So, you admit that you don't know who the caller was. Therefore, you >cannot know whether the caller was with the JAR or JDL, nor if he >actually was one of those responsible for the arson of Zundel's house. Yes but the evidence does lean towards the JAR. But that does not mean 100% that the JAR was responsible. We will have to wait until this case comes to court and all our questions will be answered. >Yet, your ads continue to claim that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit >on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance". This is a direct assertion, >admitting of no uncertainty. How do you reconcile this claim with your >admission that you _do not know_ the identity of the arsonist? You must have missed quite a few of my posts. I have stated that I was going to change my BBS ad. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:07 PDT 1995 Article: 32064 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:24:13 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 94 Message-ID: <416gre$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40ahgf$b5t@inforamp.net> <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net> <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org> <40sm42$kil@inforamp.net> <40ul3d$8rb@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.white-power:12784 alt.revisionism:32064 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12905 can.politics:73503 alt.skinheads:26058 >In article <40sm42$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote: >>>Marc, you drooler! I can't believe that you perpetrate to be a >>>revisionist with an attitude like that! Innocent until proven guilty, >>>remember? Any asshole can "drop a dime" and call in saying that they're >>>the JAR, or whoever, but it doesn't make it fact. >>I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist. So get it right. > >Uhuh... Keep singing it. So you believe the Holocaust DID happen? >Don't you think it was a tradegy? Yes of course it was a tradegy. 50 million + people lost their lives. A large majority of them White. Who could ever say that the second world war was a good thing? I believe that there is quite alot of lies and falsehoods surrounding the Holocaust. Take Dachau for example. The lies and hog-wash surrounding that camp sickens me. [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:20 PDT 1995 Article: 32070 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's (Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:10:19 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 98 Message-ID: <416g1c$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40snbk$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >Marc Lemire wrote: > >[My comments on Zundel's "UFO research"] > ># Bullshit. Where did he do this? > >You're not denying that Zundel claimed there's a "Nazi >UFO base" in the South Pole, are you? And that he wrote >articles about this, and appeared in talk shows in >which he was interviewed about this "base"? > >If you're denying this, you're a bigger fool than I >thought... That not what I was saying was bullshit. What I wanted to know is when and where did Zundel publish ads asking for donations to fund an expedition to the South Pole to find some sort of a Nazi base. Nice try to play off my words though! Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:23 PDT 1995 Article: 32071 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber story exposed Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:15:18 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 91 Message-ID: <416gao$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <808516611snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32071 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12908 alt.politics.white-power:12787 alt.skinheads:26061 >Alexander Baron wrote: > ># It wasn't disguised as a shower, what was shown at the time was ># an ordinary shower and a delousing chamber. > >Can anyone who saw the gas chamber confirm this? I have seen pictures and video's of the "shower room/gas chamber" I do not think it is or was going to be used as a gas chamber. There is also a big sign in the room but up by the government stating that no one was ever gassed in here. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:31 PDT 1995 Article: 32075 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:35:48 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 121 Message-ID: <416hh6$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org> <40skkm$kil@inforamp.net> <40v0ca$jdj@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8078 alt.politics.correct:54428 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12911 alt.politics.white-power:12790 alt.revisionism:32075 alt.skinheads:26063 can.general:46893 can.legal:7281 can.politics:73507 ont.general:18242 >>>In article <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org says... >>>>I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in >>>>Vancouver...convenient isn't it? >>Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house? Why would zundel burn his >>pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house? > >Why? For the spotlight. For sympathy. For insurance money. 1. For the spotlight. What a stupid thing to say. Zundel gets in the paper at least once a month. He is on German TV and papers almost every week. So I don't think he would burn his SON'S house down to get publicity. 2. For sympathy. You don't get very much sympathy by burning your son's house down. What a stupid thing to say. 3. For insurance money. You know dalm well... since I posted this about 100 times, that Zundel has very limited insurance on his house. It only covered the shell of the house. In case you do not know what shell means i'll explain. THE INSURANCE ONLY COVERED THE STRUCTURE. It did not cover the photocopier ($30,000) all the books (Priceless), his person things, his kitchen, his dining room, ect ect ect. That is one of the absolute stupidest things I have ever heard. >What "priceless books" were burnt? Let me guess, conclusive evidence >that the holocaust never happened, right? Yeah, like Zundel cares about He had many 1st edition book that are no longer availible. He had book which were worth thousands of dollors to collectors. He also lost quite a few of his oil paintings due to all the water the fire department poured in. >his flock... Face it, MArc, Zundel's playing the game. He knows the >holocaust happened, he knows everything, he knows how to manipulate, he >wants to be a powermonger, and as long as you pinheads keep sucking his >dick every time he says to, he's succeeding. Your almost right. Zundel does know quite alot about the Holocaust, but he certailly DOES NOT believe it happened the way the media and hollywood portray it. MARC [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:35 PDT 1995 Article: 32076 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:38:49 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 93 Message-ID: <416hmq$mtl@inforamp.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32076 can.politics:73508 ont.general:18243 > John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > : Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White > : Power BBS in Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the > : Canadian Armed Forces. ... > > > Maybe a better Subject line might read ... > > Non-Nazi Discovered In Canadian Armed Forced! Thank you. You are 100% correct. I am not a Nazi and have never claimed to be. People like the person who wrote the original message like to point and call anyone who they might not like, or people who say controversial things, Nazis' That buzzword has been used too many times and I am personally sick of it. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:40 PDT 1995 Article: 32077 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,ont.general Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:46:36 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 109 Message-ID: <416i5e$mtl@inforamp.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net can.politics:73509 alt.revisionism:32077 ont.general:18244 >John Angus (an321@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > >> Can we decide certain people can not be allowed in certain jobs based >> solely on their political views? IF so who decides what political views >> are acceptable? The extreme right? Extreme left? > >According to "Official Secrets" (Richard Cleroux, 1991) people with >politics NDPish or left of the NDP were routinely chopped from CSIS >and the RCMP. They also removed homosexuals -- with the reason being >that they were easy blackmail targets if someone discovered them. I cannot say much about Homosexuals, but I do know people with Drug or alcohol dependancies are quite easily blackmailed. >Also according to that book, throughout the 80s the RCMP had hundreds >of spies investigating far-left groups, and only "a few" investigating >the far-rights. > >So we know which political belief the RCMP finds more repugnant. Well we also now know that CSIS is investigating everyone. With the fore of this Grant Bristow case. But you also have to keep in mind, the Left has for quite along time been far more violent. There are a few articles on this that you might be interested in reading. For starters try reading Blatchfords article in the Toronto Sun May9/95 entitled "The damage comes from the Left" or read Lorrie Goldstein's article in the July 25/95's edition of the Toronto Sun. the articel is entitled "Left looks away from terror" Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:44 PDT 1995 Article: 32078 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics,alt.illuminati,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:51:36 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 121 Message-ID: <416ieq$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40b6de$24p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40joo7$kg2@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net> <40smjl$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32078 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12912 alt.politics.white-power:12791 can.politics:73510 alt.illuminati:8079 alt.skinheads:26064 >> In article , >> schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >> >> >In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: >> > >> > >> >> oooohhhh darn you caught me. You totally right.... It was me who >> started >> >> the fire. How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see a >> >> Nazi conspiracy under every rock. >> >> >> >Well, now that THAT is over with, let's move on to something else, shall we? >> > >> >By the way, the only thing we find under rocks is slime like you, Marc. >> >> >> Quite an intelligent thing to say. Typical of you people. >> >By the way, Marc... >WHICH of "you people" do you mean? > >"You Joooooos"? >"You intellectuals"? >"You women"? >"You college educated people"? >"You divorced parents"? >"You blue-eyed people"? >"You right-handed people"? >"You working poeple"? > >All of the above, and MUCH MORE, fit me. Which one did you have in mind? Boy your an Intellectual? HAHAHAHAHHA right! But what I meant by "you people" are you type of people who would automatically call me a Nazi or Racist with out proof. Or you type of people who say stupid remarks like "go back under your rock" or "slime like you form on the bottom of rocks" Does that answer your question. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:47 PDT 1995 Article: 32079 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Out of Interest? (was Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:53:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 94 Message-ID: <416iio$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com> <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net> <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net> <40v3sa$ss0@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32079 alt.skinheads:26065 can.politics:73511 ont.general:18245 alt.conspiracy:97226 >In article <40v3sa$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >> [In response to Ken McVay saying his funding sources are public info] >>Of course it's not. If you are making public where you get money from, well >>thats great. I would personally like to know. (Out of interest) > >How uninsiduous. Psychologists want to know: Why did Mr. Lemire feel >compelled to add the parenthesized, uh, disclaimer? Does he sometimes >want to know such information for other reasons? What could those >reasons be????? Why would it not be of interest to me? And a disclaimer FOR WHAT? I am free to ask what ever I want to. I need no disclaimers on my messages. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:51 PDT 1995 Article: 32080 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The Truth Continues Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:55:50 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 101 Message-ID: <416imn$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net> <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net> <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net> <40pma0$jih@ionews.io.org> <40slqh$kil@inforamp.net> <40v2up$ss0@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32080 alt.politics.white-power:12792 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12913 can.politics:73512 alt.skinheads:26066 >In article <40v2up$ss0@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > > > >> >> I am only pointing MY finger at the parties who are most likely quilty. >> > >I've always thought that the JAR was a quilting group myself. Quilters are >usually a very non-violent type, I know of NO quilting circles that have >firebombed any houses. > >Thanks for clarifying that. > >Now, let us let the GOVERNMENT and POLICE figure out who is guilty and >drop the subject. Well Ms. Swartz, I must agree with you. Lets move on to more interesting things. This conversation has gone on quite along time. Hope to talk to you again soon Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:29:55 PDT 1995 Article: 32081 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general Subject: Re: person in the Canadian Armed Forces Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:01:20 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 124 Message-ID: <416j12$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40v549$ss0@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32081 can.politics:73513 ont.general:18246 >In article <40v549$ss0@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >> In article , >> >> >Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in >> >Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. >> >> I am not a Nazi apologist. Where is the proof to this bullshit! >> > >I agree, you're _not_ a Nazi apologist. I've never seen or heard you >apologise for the Nazis. You are simply a fascist, racist hatemonger. According to the Dictionary a Facist is a member of the Italian Facist party of the 1930-40's. For which I cannot be since I wasn't even born. As for being a Racist hatemonger. That is untrue. I am not racist and I am also not a Hatemonger. By making these statements you are acting quite prejustice and igrorant. And prejustice and ignorance is what racism is. So it would seem, YOU ARE THE RACIST! >[snip snip snip] >> >> Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not >> White. It's all part of the job. Just like being in the Airborne. They all >> have a respect for each other. Even if they are racist inside, it does not >> get in the way of teh duty and job they have. When racism does get in >the way >> and their duties cannot be fufilled. Then that person is let go from >Military >> service. > >Complete bullshit (so what else is new?). When racism gets in the way, >and members of the Airborne beat the life out of a Somali teenager, they >are not "let go" as you claim... there was a cover-up, or are you denying >that too? Actually they are being sent to military jail. So your wrong. If you think real jail is bad.... wait till you see military jail. NO TV, NO RADIO, NO NOTHING. They WILL pay for what they have done and after their sentence, they will be kicked out of the military and given a dishonorable dischage. Which means NO goverment jobs for the rest of their lives. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:04 PDT 1995 Article: 32086 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:49:10 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 136 Message-ID: <416lqn$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kgir$df5@inforamp.net> <40sgbd$kil@inforamp.net> <40v9r4$ss0@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12919 alt.revisionism:32086 alt.politics.white-power:12796 can.general:46899 alt.skinheads:26070 can.politics:73519 can.legal:7285 >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >>>>> [... I wrote:] >>>>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand >>>>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...) >>> >>> >>>>HAHAHHA. They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by >>e-mail >>>>thingy. >>> >>>Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information >>>about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie >>>that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed >>>Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and >>>Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to >>>retrieve copies of those files and others. > >>My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site. There is >>very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and >>mine is accessible only via phone lines. > >Irrelevant. We were discussing the nature of your ads versus the >nature of Ken's posts, not the nature of the sites themselves. Yes and as I have stated, his are also ads. >Your posts are ads; Ken's are not. Do you intend to deal with this >point, ignore it, or just try to change the subject again? I have dealt with it. You even quote me dealing with it. They are ads just like mine are ads. >>>Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not. > >>Now that is a Lie. My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial >>Enterprise. It is the same as McVays FTP site. He accepts donations to help >>keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running. > >From your ad: > >> SOON TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!! SIGN UP NOW >> DON'T BE CENSORED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT FOOLS LIKE PRODIGY >> ONLY $15/YEAR > >The word "donation" appears where, exactly? Looks like a subscription >BBS to me. If you want Internet access you have to give a donation. Once on my BBS you will see quite clearly where I state DONATION. There is NO CHARGE to logon the bbs and access our 1.2 gig Harddrive. It is also FREE to read messages and do anything else on the bbs. Also you might NOTICE THE WORD "SOON" So as you can tell it is not set up yet. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:07 PDT 1995 Article: 32087 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:51:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 103 Message-ID: <416lvg$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <40kjk8$df5@inforamp.net> <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net> <411ovd$gv6@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12920 alt.politics.white-power:12797 alt.revisionism:32087 can.politics:73520 alt.censorship:49880 alt.conspiracy:97231 >In article <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, >>> And a much larget opposition! >>Not really. If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of >>people. My E-mailing list is around 700+ people. Combine that with others we >>have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us. So we are winning >>the war on the Internet... NOT YOU! > >Uh, yeah, I believe that one... and the KKK has 1,000,000 members like >they say. Marc, you know the truth, I know the truth, the only person >you're successfully lying to here is yourself. I do not care what you think. If you think I am lying, that is your opinion. I happen to know the truth since I am looking at the list right now. >>> You're talking to yourself now! >>I should be talking to you actually. > >Colon has just been bumped as lamest WP type! ????????????????????? I have no clue what the hell you are talking about here. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:13 PDT 1995 Article: 32088 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:53:23 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 98 Message-ID: <416m2k$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net> <40v6cr$ss0@inforamp.net> <411p6a$h09@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12921 alt.politics.white-power:12798 alt.revisionism:32088 can.politics:73521 alt.censorship:49881 alt.conspiracy:97232 >In article <40v6cr$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>In article , >>>This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and >>>email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really >>>can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with >>>a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about >>>two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet. >>Well it's also inceasing by the day. As the Internet increases so do we. The >>majority of Internet users have at least E-mail. So that is where we are >>concentrating. WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at. > >Oh yeah, Marc! You're doing great on Usenet! Why do we outnumber you >then Marc? On this NG alone there are more lib'ral types than actual >racists... look at the posts. > You cannot say that for sure, since you do not know who reads all the messages. We only know who writes. there could be millions of likeminded people on here. It is impossible to tell accuratley. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:20 PDT 1995 Article: 32089 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Daniel Keren - a Holocaust Fundamentalist? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:35:43 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 110 Message-ID: <416l1g$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40th2v$f7v@news.dknet.dk> <410bcj$fn7@news.dknet.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 ># dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: > >## Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? > ># I know that it takes 75 minutes to cremate a corpse in a ># modern crematorium. > >There seems to be a disease going on here, this inability >to answer very simple, very clear questions. > >Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no? >Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no? >Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no? It does not matter if he has personally burned corpses or not. there is still published reports on the matter from which this person might be quoting from. >The reason for the 75 minute figure - if it's correct - is, >possibly, the requirement for minimal pollution in the >cremation process (smoke, etc). This was not a problem >in Auschwitz. Also, it may well be because, usually, a >furnace is started cold, while in Birkenau they were >working for hours non-stop, and there was no need to >rewarm them before every cremation. That may have saved >a lot of time. If the ovens were going non-stop the bricks wuld most likley explode. And if you put a coprse in an oven that is not at the proper temperature it could explode. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:25 PDT 1995 Article: 32090 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:04:26 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 238 Message-ID: <416mnf$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net> <40s4uu$aa4@ionews.io.org> <40so23$kil@inforamp.net> <411q8r$h5r@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12922 alt.revisionism:32090 alt.politics.white-power:12799 can.general:46900 alt.skinheads:26073 >>>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote: >>>No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM. Ken's posts are different every >>All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail. So I posted my >>Allfiles list for all to see. > >Huh? Ken posts different things every time...what the fuck are you >talking about, "all it is"? What you're doing is advertising your BBS, I advertise my BBS quite openly. I am not ashamed of that. I get quite alot if users from the Internet. So why wouldn't I? >and you accept "donations", but with that you probably get more online >time or whatever... I know how the BBS game works. But this isn't your Yes OFCOURSE! If a user would like to donate money, I do give him more online time. So what. >BBS, you aren't the "all powerful" SysOp. You're spamming. Others may >not appretiate it, INCLUDING WP types who don't have access to, or don't >give a shit about the 416 area code. Marc, on Usenet, you're just >another asshole. Now, if you posted an entire FILE from your BBS, and >then left your .sig at the bottom of it, then that would be different. Well you are also the same{refering to the asshole remark} OH by the way, just to make you happy, i'll start posting a huge SIG. Hope you like it! >>>time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he >>>doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!" Which is what you are >>>doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!" >>So what I try to attract people to my bbs. Big deal. > >So you can play god and get $$$ donations.. yeah. But Usenet isn't your >personal billboard. I do not play god. Every user on my BBS is open to say WHATEVER HE FEEL LIKE. In the spirit of free speech I even have a file base for Mr McVay on my BBS. Something which he will not do for me in return. >>>I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of >>>netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, >>>and you aren't god here. >>Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD! > >That's right, but there are agreed upon rules, netiquette. But you just stated in your previous message that, and let me QUOTE "other people own this network" So make up your mind. Which is it? Does someone own the Internet or not??? >>>Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel. And >>>I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left >>>alone then too. (I still have it if you'd like to see it.) >>BULL SHIT. You lying idiot. I have never done such anything like that. >>Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world. > >Every girl in the world? You're starting to get really incoherent... I >will now post the E-Mail message where you wine about me ripping you a >new asshole in public... Incoherent? You said that and let me QUOTE" i remember getting an E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left alone" so I remarked that the message must of been from every girl in the world. Get it now >-- BEGIN EMAIL MESSAGE -- > >From cpn@inforamp.net Thu Jun 22 03:18:38 1995 >Received: from inforamp.net (inforamp.net [198.53.144.2]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA28121 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:18:37 -0400 >Received: from ts1-08.inforamp.net by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) > id AA19929; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:17:52 +0500 >To: lzaird@io.org >From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) >Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:07:25 >Cc: cpn@inforamp.net >Message-Id: >content-length: 1097 >Status: RO >X-Status: A > >In article <3s1s1b$6a7@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes: >>From: lzaird@io.org >>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel >>Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:41:47 -0400 > >>In article , >>Marc Lemire wrote: >>> >>>Here it is, the book you've been waiting for that summarizes the entire >>>career of the most persecuted book publisher in the world, from his >>>childhood to his latest activism, German-Canadian revisionist Ernst Zundel. > >>Oh plueeeze! Cry me a river. >>I've heard of more persecuted book publishers...sure..during the 40's, >>in a little place I like to call GERMANY! > >Well it is 1995 and Zundel is the most prosecuted publisher in Canada. > >>Ahahahahahah! The RACKET continues...Ernest sucks the WP community >>dry...in more ways than one... > >You wrong. Zundel does not 'suck the wp community dry' > >Zundel right now needs money to help rebuild his house after a Jewish >terrorist attack. What is wrong if I try to help him sell a few books? > >He is putting his life on the line for us.. The least we can do is help him >out in his time of need! > > >-- END MESSAGE -- > >All comming back now? From the torfree.net days? WHERE IS THE PART WHERE I ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE? hahahahahah More bullshit from you! >Bull shit... I think not. Diddn't think I really saved it did ya? > >>>Ahahahahahahha!!! Bull-shit, through and through. My opinion matters, >>>because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust >>>ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder >>>for your little game of Nazi chess. >>YES thats it. NAZI chess. Fuck your awsome! > >Aren't I though... > >>>You don't care? Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front >>>of your Furher freinds. But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, >>>because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop. >>Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming! > >You're Colin, 'cept he's interesting. > >>>Look up a fiew lines. >>>>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do. >>>Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism. >>Nope. I don't. I believe in Direct Democracy. > >Oh, please, let me be the one to ask THIS question!!! > >What (get ready folks), prey-tell, is 'Direct Democracy'...(snicker!) > It is a democracy for the people. Where the people get to vote on all major issues. It where the people govern themselves. It is the most true and free domocracy there is. Marc Here is my SIG file just for you! [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:29 PDT 1995 Article: 32091 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:05:49 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 89 Message-ID: <416mpv$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <40aii4$b5t@inforamp.net> <40soou$ar@ionews.io.org> <40v2ha$ss0@inforamp.net> <411r57$hbs@ionews.io.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.illuminati:8081 alt.politics.correct:54438 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12923 alt.politics.white-power:12800 alt.revisionism:32091 alt.skinheads:26074 can.general:46901 can.legal:7286 can.politics:73524 ont.general:18252 >In article <40v2ha$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire wrote: >>NO. From my understanding they tried to deport him, but he fought the order >>and won. >>But I am not totally sure. > >All I know is they kicked him the hell out of Germany! > >(Kudos!) What do you expect from that Banana republic. Germany tramples on the civil rights of it own people. What a sickness. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:34 PDT 1995 Article: 32092 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:09:00 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 132 Message-ID: <416mvt$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> <4124i2$jh5@daily-planet.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32092 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12924 alt.politics.white-power:12801 alt.skinheads:26075 alt.conspiracy:97236 can.politics:73525 >>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: >>> >>>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people. >>> >>>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says >>>>this chamber was never used to gas people. >>> >>>You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something. >>>How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or >>>is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind >>>that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer. >> >>The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom. You can move >>the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily. >> >> >>>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign? >> >>It is very important. When you remove the sign that says there were no >>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence. >> >>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the >>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing >>factory. What a sickness. >> >>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting >>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and >>began beating the German Sheppard dogs. I was just looking at one of the >>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there. It really made my >>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and there >>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head. >> >>And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's! Information >>like this really makes you think twice. >> >>Marc Lemire >> > > >How about if we put up on the site of the BD complex a sign that >reads "Nothing bad happened here"? > >Are you for real???? IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY? You cannot argue with anything I said in this message so you say such a stupid remark as "are you for real" If you have nothing to say, why on earth would you even bother to respond?! Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:40 PDT 1995 Article: 32093 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:21:55 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 97 Message-ID: <416no3$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40ukr2$227$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> <412d32$crl@knot.queensu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.revisionism:32093 alt.politics.nationalism.white:12925 alt.politics.white-power:12802 alt.skinheads:26076 alt.conspiracy:97237 can.politics:73526 >This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million >people who were killed because of their religion, thier >disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know >that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this >minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second >WW? I think you have serious problems! DID YOU EVEN READ THE FILE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO? As I said..... THERE IS A REMOVABLE SIGN RIGHT IN THE GAS CHAMBER THAT SAYS AND LET ME QUOTE FOR YOU .... QUOTE" GAS CHAMBER. (Disguised as a shower room) NEVER USED AS A GAS CHAMBER" It is in FOUR languages. Is that clear enough for you? or are you so full of hate you cannot open you eyes? Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:46 PDT 1995 Article: 32094 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!hookup!interlog.com!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:28:44 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 112 Message-ID: <416o4s$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net> <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <40kgir$df5@inforamp.net> <40sgbd$kil@inforamp.net> <40v5ql$ss0@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.island.net alt.politics.nationalism.white:12926 alt.revisionism:32094 alt.politics.white-power:12803 can.general:46902 alt.skinheads:26077 can.politics:73527 can.legal:7287 >> I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is >> also very violent. I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of >lighting >> the fire at Zundel's house. But both the leaders of the Canadian and >American >> Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. Zundel's >> house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing. >> > >Please explain how you have come to this conclusion, with verifiable evidence. Read NOW Magazine Page 13. The May 18-24, 1995 edition. In there is the story about the JDL going to Zundels house. The JDL has for a long time been considered a Terrorist group by the FBI. The JDl has in the past committed quite alot of Arsons. >> >> Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically >> attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at >> people. So they are quite violent. In the states they have thrown acid in >> peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests) >> >> >And this pertains to torching Zundel's home how? Because the heads of the Jewish Defence League tried to hop over his wooden baracade 3-4 nights later. They were there for a reason. Was it to see how good their men did? or was it just to take pictures? Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:50 PDT 1995 Article: 32095 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Schwartz the medical expert gone bad! Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:16:11 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 138 Message-ID: <416ndc$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <3vd5rl$178@inforamp.net> <3vjibu$qor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <401stk$e23@inforamp.net> <40n365$p7k@inforamp.net> <40smfp$kil@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 >In article <40smfp$kil@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote: > >> In article , >> >> >Well, the DSM IV does not consider S&M behavior "sick." But of course, you >> >know more than they do, right? >> >> Who is the DSM IV? > >The DSM is the Diagnostic Manual used by all medical professionals. It >lists everything from autism (in all its various forms) to xenophobia >(pretty neat, huh?). In previous editions, S&M was considered deviant >behavior. It does NOT anymore. In the IV Edition, S&M has been removed as >an "illness." That you for answerign my question. >> Oh ya and read what I said. IT'S DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS! > >NO, it depends on what MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS SAY. They say it's not. But >of course, you know better. It DOES NTO DEPEND on what Medical professionals say. It is a personal desision. If you want to get fucked and also get the shit kicked out of you at the same time. That is your choice. Not a Doctors >> >> I also have the right to decide how I would like my sexual encounters. I >> >> personally do not feel like getting beat up while having sex. But if you >> do, well I guess thats your problem. >> >> >> >WHOA!!! Now WHO is calling WHO?! I never said I liked anything of the >> >sort. Once again, you're jumping to major conclusions here. The fact that >> >I read asb is no different than the fact that Leuchter reads asb. Neither >> >of us is a pervert. >> >> I never said you do..... NOTICE I USED THE WORD "BUT" > >The word BUT? How fascinating. Is anyone else buying this? Boy you are unreal. > >> Then whay was it on his FTP site for so long? He must on know since it >caused >> such a big controversy last year. > >Mr. McVay has LOTS of information on his site. This one slipped through >the cracks. When it was pointed out, it was removed. Period. It is nice that he did remove it, but the fact still remains that it was on for a year and the damage was caused. If I, or anyone else points out that anyfiles on my BBS are either fakes or I feel they are innapropriate, then I would erase them. And I have quite a few more files than McVay does. Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:30:54 PDT 1995 Article: 32096 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.wimsey.com!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed! Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:23:46 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 93 Message-ID: <416nri$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <40va0d$ss0@inforamp.net> <4103rq$1sl2@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts4-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 ># One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators ># were in the chamber and passed it off to the American people ># as some kind of killing factory. What a sickness. > >As noted quite a few times on this newsgroup, during the recent >debate about the Dachau gas chamber, there's a letter from >Rascher to Himmler which explicitly discusses gassing human >being in Dachau. Interested readers can look up "Nazi Mass Murder", >Yale University Press, 1993, chapter 8, where part of the >letter is quoted and its index in German archives is given. Please repost these quotes you are refering to. The Dachau "Gas chamber" lie is going to be opened up again here, you can bet on that! Marc [75-line sig deleted] From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 10:41:19 PDT 1995 Article: 12908 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!esol.intermedia.com!emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!fonorola!inforamp.net!ts4-06 From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber story exposed Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:15:18 GMT Organization: Canadian Patriots Network Lines: 91 Message-ID: <416gao$mtl@inforamp.net> References: <808408532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> <808516611snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>