Path: hub.org!hub.org!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38BFE885.388FF6CF@arthlink.nt.e.e> From: David GehrigOrganization: International Zemblan Conspiracy, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Irving and the Transcripts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 121 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:30:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.112.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 952101004 158.252.112.205 (Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:30:04 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:30:04 PST Xref: hub.org alt.revisionism:720142 >From Day 26: -------- MR IRVING: The other point which I wish to take up with your Lordship, very briefly, is that I am not getting the digital transcript. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Right. MR IRVING: I am only getting a paper transcript. A dispute has arisen with the court reporters over the provision to me of the digital transcript. I have not it since February 3rd. It is a serious disadvantage to me. I have offered them money. I have offered them other inducements. This is a matter which I would like your Lordship to give a friendly word to the court reporting service that ---- MR JUSTICE GRAY: You will have to tell me a little bit more about the reasons they give for not giving the digital transcript. MR IRVING: Indeed. MR JUSTICE GRAY: I mean, I have a feeling that I know what the problem is but you ---- MR IRVING: I can do that now, my Lord. Quite simply, we started posting the digital transcript on the internet as a public service, totally non-profit making at all, I derive only loss from that. The court reporters quite rightly said there is a property question at issue here. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Well, a copyright question, yes. MR IRVING: It is between one instructing firm of solicitors and the court reporters. It is in a kind of limbo between them. I have made a cash offer to them over a week ago now on a per day basis. They have not come back to me, and I am being disadvantaged. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Yes. MR IRVING: Because clearly ---- MR JUSTICE GRAY: I think I understand the problem, although I suspect one may have to go into it a bit more deeply, but I am anxious if you are not getting the digital transcript because, although it is not all that easy to follow, I found it perfectly possible to make use of. Mr Rampton, do you know anything about this or do you not want to get involved? MR RAMPTON: No. Strictly speaking, it is none of our business. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Except you are paying for it so, presumably, you have some sort of right over it. MR RAMPTON: I know we are paying for Mr Irving to have a transcript for the purposes of the case, the conduct of his claim against us. I guess what has happened is that he has been using the transcripts, in all innocence, no doubt -- I say that without knowing anything -- for some other purpose. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Well, just putting them on his website. MR RAMPTON: That is an infringement of the transcribers' copyright. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Well, I would have thought it might be. MR RAMPTON: And to do that, you would need to pay for a licence to do it, I guess what has happened. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Mr Irving, so we do not take too long over this, my view would be that it is highly desirable that you should continue to have the digital transcript and I do not understand Mr Rampton to oppose that, but the price may be, if that is the right term, that you should not put it on your website because I think, technically, that is an infringement of their copyright. MR IRVING: Until we reach an agreement. MR JUSTICE GRAY: I mean, if you can reach an agreement, well and good, and I can see in some ways it might be desirable that it should go on the website if you want publicity for ---- MR IRVING: Well, it has attracted great attention and I am now being bombarded with E mails from around the world. Some people are accusing me of keeping it off the internet because it is unfavourable to me and all sorts of dubious motives. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Well, if you were to offer to -- I cannot remember the name of the firm but if you were to offer ---- MR IRVING: Harry Counsel. MR JUSTICE GRAY: Yes, Harry Counsel, that you will undertake not to put it on your website, unless and until some agreement is reached, but would they please in the meantime let you have the digital transcript, I would hope that they would say yes to that. MR IRVING: I am happy to give that undertaking here. MR JUSTICE GRAY: If there is a problem, let me know, but I have expressed my wish and that may not count for much but... MR IRVING: But it means that for three weeks I have had no digital transcript which has ---- MR JUSTICE GRAY: Well, you should have mentioned it perhaps before now but you have mentioned it now and ---- MR IRVING: Well, I have negotiated, or attempted to negotiate, and met with no response. -------- So, apparently, it was an issue of copyright infringement after all. And, even better: the defense is paying for Irving's paper transcripts. @%<
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