From donvh@aol.com Tue Aug 8 00:23:03 PDT 1995 Article: 30324 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: FACT FILE NO. 6 - The Bombing of Hiroshima Date: 6 Aug 1995 17:09:59 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 93 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <403b37$2un@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FACT FILE: NO. 6 SUBJECT: THE BOMBING OF HIROSHIMA Note: The fact file series is intended to present facts of history, free >from the polemics and misinformation so often presented in this medium. Hopefully the facts contained herein will serve the cause of truth in history. Note to educators and students: Fifty years after the first atomic bombing of a civilian population, the media is still rehashing the old government propaganda about the loss of lives which would have been incurred during an invasion of the Japanese mainland. Many politicians, historians, and people from all walks of life have been quick to counter revisionist arguments that the Japanese were ready to surrender on Allied terms, and that using the bombs was unnecessary and racist. Rarely is Japan's hopeless military situation or their desparate attempts to necogiate peace discussed. Following are excerpts from various military figures and historians. "Even before one of our B-29's dropped its atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan's military situation was hopeless." General Arnold THIRD REPORT, 12th November, 1945, P.33. "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." Winston Churchill, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 239. [The bomb shortened the war] "by months." General Marshall, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 238. [It shortened the war by] "two weeks." General LeMay, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 238. "Japan was completely defeated strategically before the atomic bombs were used against her." Bernard Brodie, THE ABSOLUTE WEAPON: ATOMIC POWER AND THE WORLD ORDER , P. 92. "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31st December, 1945, and in all probability prior to 1st November, 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bomb had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." The United States Strategical Bombing Survey (Pacific War), p.26. "His majesty is extremely anxious to terminate the war as soon as possible, being deeply concerned that any further continuation of hosilities will only aggravate the untold miseries of the millions upon millions of innocent men and women in the countries at war. Should, however, the United States and Great Britain insist on unconditional surrender, Japan would be forced to fight to the bitter end." Japanese foreign minister Togo's cable to Ambassador Naotaki Sato on July 12, 1945 "The cables from Japan to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow (which begin on July 11 and continue throughout the [Potsdam] conference ) are filed under 761.94/7-2145: Telegram. That these cables were being passed up the line to Truman is evident from Stimson's diary entry for July 16 ("...I also received important paper in re Japanese maneuverings for peace...") and Truman's own remarks to Department of State historians in a conference on January 24, 1956, in which he said he was familiar with the Togo-Sato cable #893 before he was informed of it by Stalin [at Potsdam]." Charles Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM , p.342 "The dropping of the first atomic bomb was also an act of pure terrorism. It fulfilled no military purpose of any kind. Belatedly it has been disclosed that seven months before it was dropped, in January 1945, President Roosevelt received via General MacArthur's headquarters an offer by the Japanese Government to surrender on terms virtually identical to those accepted by the United States after the dropping of the bomb: in July 1945, as we now know, Roosevelt's successor, President Truman, discussed with Stalin at Bebelsberg the Japanese offer to surrender....The Japanese people were to be enlisted as human guinea-pigs for a scientific experiment." F.J.P Veale, ADVANCE TO BARBARISM: THE DEVELOPMENT OF TOTAL WARFARE FROM SERAJEVO TO HIROSHIMA, pp.352-53. "The decision to use the atomic bomb was not only a moral but also a psychological blunder." General J.F.C. Fuller, THE SECOND WORLD WAR, p. 397. "No one likes, or wants to confront, the fact- but it is clear from the events and conversations during the Potsdam conference that the use of the atomic bomb against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was wanton murder." Charles Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM,p. 289. From donvh@aol.com Tue Aug 8 23:02:53 PDT 1995 Article: 30324 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: FACT FILE NO. 6 - The Bombing of Hiroshima Date: 6 Aug 1995 17:09:59 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 93 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <403b37$2un@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FACT FILE: NO. 6 SUBJECT: THE BOMBING OF HIROSHIMA Note: The fact file series is intended to present facts of history, free >from the polemics and misinformation so often presented in this medium. Hopefully the facts contained herein will serve the cause of truth in history. Note to educators and students: Fifty years after the first atomic bombing of a civilian population, the media is still rehashing the old government propaganda about the loss of lives which would have been incurred during an invasion of the Japanese mainland. Many politicians, historians, and people from all walks of life have been quick to counter revisionist arguments that the Japanese were ready to surrender on Allied terms, and that using the bombs was unnecessary and racist. Rarely is Japan's hopeless military situation or their desparate attempts to necogiate peace discussed. Following are excerpts from various military figures and historians. "Even before one of our B-29's dropped its atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan's military situation was hopeless." General Arnold THIRD REPORT, 12th November, 1945, P.33. "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." Winston Churchill, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 239. [The bomb shortened the war] "by months." General Marshall, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 238. [It shortened the war by] "two weeks." General LeMay, quoted in Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM p. 238. "Japan was completely defeated strategically before the atomic bombs were used against her." Bernard Brodie, THE ABSOLUTE WEAPON: ATOMIC POWER AND THE WORLD ORDER , P. 92. "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31st December, 1945, and in all probability prior to 1st November, 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bomb had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." The United States Strategical Bombing Survey (Pacific War), p.26. "His majesty is extremely anxious to terminate the war as soon as possible, being deeply concerned that any further continuation of hosilities will only aggravate the untold miseries of the millions upon millions of innocent men and women in the countries at war. Should, however, the United States and Great Britain insist on unconditional surrender, Japan would be forced to fight to the bitter end." Japanese foreign minister Togo's cable to Ambassador Naotaki Sato on July 12, 1945 "The cables from Japan to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow (which begin on July 11 and continue throughout the [Potsdam] conference ) are filed under 761.94/7-2145: Telegram. That these cables were being passed up the line to Truman is evident from Stimson's diary entry for July 16 ("...I also received important paper in re Japanese maneuverings for peace...") and Truman's own remarks to Department of State historians in a conference on January 24, 1956, in which he said he was familiar with the Togo-Sato cable #893 before he was informed of it by Stalin [at Potsdam]." Charles Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM , p.342 "The dropping of the first atomic bomb was also an act of pure terrorism. It fulfilled no military purpose of any kind. Belatedly it has been disclosed that seven months before it was dropped, in January 1945, President Roosevelt received via General MacArthur's headquarters an offer by the Japanese Government to surrender on terms virtually identical to those accepted by the United States after the dropping of the bomb: in July 1945, as we now know, Roosevelt's successor, President Truman, discussed with Stalin at Bebelsberg the Japanese offer to surrender....The Japanese people were to be enlisted as human guinea-pigs for a scientific experiment." F.J.P Veale, ADVANCE TO BARBARISM: THE DEVELOPMENT OF TOTAL WARFARE FROM SERAJEVO TO HIROSHIMA, pp.352-53. "The decision to use the atomic bomb was not only a moral but also a psychological blunder." General J.F.C. Fuller, THE SECOND WORLD WAR, p. 397. "No one likes, or wants to confront, the fact- but it is clear from the events and conversations during the Potsdam conference that the use of the atomic bomb against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was wanton murder." Charles Mee, MEETING AT POTSDAM,p. 289. From donvh@aol.com Wed Aug 9 16:41:44 PDT 1995 Article: 30665 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: c3w Hiroshima Holocaust History Revisionism Questions Date: 8 Aug 1995 17:56:01 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 125 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <408mhh$jbh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <405b8v$bbh@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Following find a re-post of a response that I sent to Joan Beck of the Chicago Tribune. Ms. Beck was quite supportive of Truman's decision to use the bomb. The ultimate reason for the Revisionist view on Hiroshima- Truth - that is all. Joan Beck, a syndicated columnist for the Chicago Tribune, has lent her support to "Court History." Her latest column, WHAT IF TRUMAN NEVER DROPPED THE BOMB? falls in place with various books and articles which, as Harry Barnes puts it, "have helped to prepare us ideologically for the reception of 'Nineteen Eighty-four' institutions, political techniques, and mental attitudes." Ironically, it is the one and the same, Chicago Tribune which was once the home for many revisionist ideas. Beck supports the theory, supported by "horrifying new" information that had the atomic bombs not been dropped on the Japanese, that hundreds of thousands of additional lives, (both American and Japanese) would have been lost during a U.S. invasion of Japan. Beck calls the atomic bombings "the least terrible way to stop the war in the Pacific." She apparently has derived most of her information from a new work by Bruce Lee entitled, MARCHING ORDERS: THE UNTOLD STORY OF WORLD WAR II. Throughout her article, Beck rehashes the old government propaganda about the loss of lives which would have been incurred during an invasion of the Japanese mainland. She goes so far as to claim that this "new" information undercuts "those revisionist arguments that the Japanese were ready to surrender on Allied terms, and that using the bombs was unnecessary and racist." Beck snarls the word "revisionist" as an epithet not unlike her ancestors growled "isolationist" in the '40's and '50's. The opinions that Ms. Beck denounces have not actually had their loudest voicing from revisionists. That is, unless of course, Ms. Beck considers the following gentlemen who voiced such opinion revisionists. General Arnold wrote in his THIRD REPORT, 12th November, 1945, "Even before one of our B-29's dropped its atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan's military situation was hopeless." Winston Churchill wrote, "It would be a mistake to suppose that the fate of Japan was settled by the atomic bomb. Her defeat was certain before the first bomb fell." General Marshall would declare that the bomb shortened the war "by months." General LeMay said that it shortened the war by "two weeks." Finally the United States Strategical Bombing Survey concluded, "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31st December, 1945, and in all probability prior to 1st November, 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bomb had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." Beck refuses to acknowledge the widely acknowledged Japanese peace offers. Instead she uses the following phrases repeatedly, "defend Japan with...suicidal fanaticism," "fanatical Japanese," "sworn to fight to the death." Ms. Beck totally ignores Japanese foreign minister Togo's cable to Ambassador Naotaki Sato on July 12, 1945. The forgotten cable reads, "His majesty is extremely anxious to terminate the war as soon as possible, being deeply concerned that any further continuation of hosilities will only aggravate the untold miseries of the millions upon millions of innocent men and women in the countries at war. Should, however, the United States and Great Britain insist on unconditional surrender, Japan would be forced to fight to the bitter end." (Charles Mee Jr. MEETING AT POTSDAM p.23) The one condition that the Japanese government had was that Emperor Hirohito be retained. That Truman was aware of the Japanese peace feelers is now, and has been for many years, certain. Charles Mee reports, "The cables from Japan to the Japanese ambassador in Moscow (which begin on July 11 and continue throughout the [Potsdam] conference ) are filed under 761.94/7-2145: Telegram. That these cables were being passed up the line to Truman is evident from Stimson's diary entry for July 16 ("...I also received important paper in re Japanese maneuverings for peace...") and Truman's own remarks to Department of State historians in a conference on January 24, 1956, in which he said he was familiar with the Togo-Sato cable #893 before he was informed of it by Stalin [at Potsdam]." (Ibid., p.342) Beck does bring up the July 26th ultimatum issued by the U.S., Britain, and China which demanded, "We call upon the Government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all the Japanese armed forces and to provide proper and adequate assurance of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is complete and utter destruction." Beck declares, "The Japanese High command ignored the ultimatum." J.F.C. Fuller explains more rationally, "[these terms] ommitted to mention a point of overriding importance- namely, the status of the Emperor.... Was he to be held responsible for crimes [the Japanese army, navy, and airforce] had committed? If so, was he to be listed as a 'war criminal' and hung? To the masses of the Japanese this would be equivalent to acquiescing in the murder of their god." (Fuller, THE SECOND WORLD WAR P. 393) Mee argues, "The problem for the Japanese government, then, was how to respond, to whom to respond. The proclamation had not been sent through any diplomatic channels, through a neutral country, for example. It had been release to the newspapers and the radio." (Mee p. 246-47) Finally on August 6th the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. According to the official casualty list, 78,150 were killed and 13,983 were missing. On August 8th, a second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. It is estimated that approximately 40,000 were killed. Ms. Beck claims that many Japanese lives were SAVED by dropping these bombs. Finally the Japanese surrendered. Truman would still not get his "unconditional surrender." Hirohito would remain in power. Ms. Beck believes that it was a Japanese propaganda strategy to denounce the use of the bomb. She announces, "That propaganda strategy has succeeded far beyond expectation." It is clear that diplomatic channels were available. The Japanese were willing to necogiate. The decision to use the atomic bomb, as Fuller puts it, "was not only a moral but also a psychological blunder." (Fuller p. 397) Mee writes, "No one likes, or wants to confront, the fact- but it is clear from the events and conversations during the Potsdam conference that the use of the atomic bomb against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was wanton murder." (Mee p. 289) Ms. Beck, if you are reading this, your arguments are not new. They are the official U.S. line regarding the dropping of the bomb for the last 50 years. Your statistics and time frames are not supported by any of the top generals involved in this matter or for that matter the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey. That the Japanese were willing to surrender is a matter of public record even admitted to by Truman himself. The revisionists have not really spent much time on this topic- because there is little to revise- it is a matter of public record! Revisionist historians interested in the Pacific war have spent most of their time discussing the events leading up to Pearl Harbor. In conclusion I quote a major revisionist author on that very topic. Pulitzer Prize winner John Toland writes, "The greater tragedy is that the war with Japan was one that need never have been fought. And so we must continue to mourn the victims: first the 2,403 who died on Oahu... In a larger sense we must also mourn the millions of dead and mutilated in the unnecessary war in the Pacific: the soldiers and sailors on both sides and the innocent civilians of many countries, particularly those of Japan, who were savaged by fire bombings and atomic warfare. A final victim is the present state of the world. Imagine if there had been no war in the East. There would have been no Hiroshima and perhaps no threat of nuclear warfare." (INFAMY P. 340) _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:16 PDT 1995 Article: 32196 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No.1 Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:02:47 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417prn$jjt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 1 Criminal hearings against the German expert on solid-state chemistry Germar Rudolf have now begun. He is accused of having disseminated to hundreds of the country's top professors of chemistry an expert court affidavit drafted by him for the defence of a revisionist against criminal charges; the document established beyond any doubt the longevity of cyanide compounds in brickwork. (The prosecution has offered no proof whatever that Rudolf distributed his report.) As reported in David Irving's Action Report No. 9, May 1995 Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:20 PDT 1995 Article: 32197 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No. 2 Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:03:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 51 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417pto$jkp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 2 In a March 27 raid of the Grabert publishing firm in Tuebingen, Germany, criminal police seized all available copies of a new book of Holocaust revisionist scholarship. The banned work is a 400-page large-format anthology entitled GRUNDLAGEN ZUR ZEITGESCHICHTE: EIN HANDBUCH UEBER STRITTIGE FRAGEN DES 20. JAHRHUNDERTS (Foundations of Contemporary History: A handbook on controversial questions of the twentieth century). It contains 17 carefully researched essays by leading revisionist scholars in Europe and North America, including Carlo Mattogno, John Ball, Friedrich Berg, Robert Faurisson, Udo Walendy and Ingrid Weckert. Compiled by Ernst Gauss (regarded by the authorities as a probable pseudonym), it was published late last year. Criminal indictments are likely against the publisher, Wigbert Grabert, and at least one of the individual contributors. Police seized the books on the basis of a court order, issued without a court hearing, requested by the state prosecuting attorney's office in Tuebingen. More than 30,000 copies of GRUNDLAGEN reportedly had already been distributed before the March 27 raid. In its court order request, the prosecuting attorney's office stated: "The [book's] team of authors regards the systematic and planned killing of people of Jewish faith, whih was carried out under National Socialist rule as the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question," from a revisionist view, and comes to the conclusion that there was no deliberate annihilation of the Jews." The book is dangerous, the office claimed, because it "denies the National Socialist genocide of the Jews during the Third Reich in a way that oculd disturb the public peace," because it "injures the honor of Jews" in Germany who had been persecuted during the Third Reich, and because it "denigrates the memory of Jews" who lost their lives as a result of Third Reich policies, "especially in concentration camps." as reported in :The Journal of Historical Review Vol. 15, Number 3 May/June 1995 P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, USA. Subscriptions $40 per year (domestic). Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:26 PDT 1995 Article: 32199 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No. 3 Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:07:37 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 76 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417q4p$jmh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 3 After complaints by a leading literary critic and other figures, a German publisher has ordered the withdrawl and destruction of the German-language version of a book asserting that Jews ran internment camps for Germans in post-war Poland. The book, EYE FOR AN EYE by John Sack, has been labeled "anti-Semitic fodder" in a review by one of Germany's leading literary critics, Eike Geisel. News of its impending publication stirred charges that the book would be expoloited by neo-Nazis likening the treatment of Germans to the killing of six million Jews. By the time the uproar broke out 6,000 German copies of the book had already been printed, though no copies had yet been sold. The German publisher, Piper Verlag of Munich, issued a statemtn this week saying the book "could become the cause for some misunderstanding, that is that the Holocaust might be compared with other crimes of that time or could even be set off against them." Accordingly, the book would not be published, the statement said. Victor Niemann, the publisher of Piper Verlag, said in the statement that "everything must be avoided that could possibly turn the discussion into a wrong direction." Mr. Niemann, who has said the print run will probably be recycled, could not be reached tonight to say whether the books, stacked in a Stuttgart warehouse, had already been destroyed. Mr. Sack, an American journalist, argued in EYE FOR AN EYE (Basic Books, 1993) that Stalin deliberately chose Jews to oversee secret police activities in the former German territories of postwar Poland. The author based his conclusions on interviews with several high-ranking Jewish members of the Office of State Security, the Polish Communist organization that, under Soviet supervision, maintained some former Nazi death camps in Poland after World War II. According to Mr. Sack, the German Federal Archives say that between 60,000 and 80,000 Germans died in Polish internment camps between 1945 and 1948. The book was assailed by some American critics as sensational, and one German author, Ralph Giordano, called it "the greatest filth" before even reading it. In a telephone interview tonight, Mr. Sack said that, 15 months after its publication in the United States, its veracity had not been substantially challenged. "The story I'm trying to get out is that the story has been fact-checked" by major American news organizations and "nobody has yet found any error in it." But in a letter faxed to Mr. Sack and in a published interview, Mr. Niemann, the publisher, said the book was not documented in the way a German study would usually be documented. Since Piper Verlag withdrew the book, Mr. Sack said, he had been approached by German right-wing publishing houses to secure rights to publish it, but he had refused. as reported in : The New York Times , Thursday, February 16, 1995 An english edition is available in hardcover for $25.00 plus $2.50 handling from: The Institute of Historical Review P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659, USA. Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:31 PDT 1995 Article: 32202 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No. 4 Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:52:32 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417sp0$kdn@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 4 Andreas Thoben, 34, a Munich engineer and member of the Republican party, has been fined DM5400 ($3000) for wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Freedom of opinion for David Irving and don't ban him from Germany" and a similar one about Fred Leuchter. As reported in : David Irving's ACTION REPORT No.9, May 1995. Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:37 PDT 1995 Article: 32203 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No. 4 Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:55:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417suo$kg2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 4 Andreas Thoben, 34, a Munich engineer and member of the Republican party, has been fined DM5400 ($3000) for wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Freedom of opinion for David Irving and don't ban him from Germany" and a similar one about Fred Leuchter. As reported in : David Irving's ACTION REPORT No.9, May 1995. Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________ From donvh@aol.com Sun Aug 20 15:03:43 PDT 1995 Article: 32204 of alt.revisionism Path: news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: For Fear of the Truth - No. 5 Date: 20 Aug 1995 14:02:30 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 115 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <417tbm$kjb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: donvh@aol.com (DonVH) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com FOR FEAR OF THE TRUTH - No. 5 Professor Ernst Nolte, the leading historian of Berlin university, has been forced into the ranks of the revisionist Undead. Constantly hovering on the brink of full commitment to the revisionist cause, and possessed of the ability to see which way the wind was blowing, though not the courage of his convictions necessary to face down the leftist witch hunters of the legal system, Nolte wrote a half page editorial in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on Aug. 23 challenging for the first time the wisdom of continuing with the senseless, image-damaging prosecution of those historians and right-wing politicians persistently questioning the legends about Auschwitz. In this article, Nolte pointed out that there was a growing school of thought among historians which challenged whether there was any systematic intent of the Nazi leadership to liquidate Europe's Jews- and yet under the law by their very challenge of the systematic nature of the massacres these historians were committing criminal acts under German law. "We have to distinguish between denial and questioning," said Nolte. "And we find both among the radical revisionists." The article caused a sensation. The FAZ was flooded with letters arguing that there could be no debate about "what is beyond debate." Nolte replied in the same newspaper on Sep. 8: "Oh yes there can." As a non-scientist, he admitted, he was not equipped to tackle some of the technical arguments raised by the revisionists as to "whether it was technically possible to carry out mass murder using Zyklon B on the scale commonly assumed." But he could not deny, he added, that he was impressed by many arguments adduced by the revisionists against the credibility of some witnesses and documents. He felt the time had now come for a scientific discussion and debate on this controversy. He feard that otherwise the impression would sooner or later arise, he said, that "the established historians" were trying to duck out of this debate by smear campaigns and by calling for the prosecution of their opponents. "In my opinion," added Professor Nolte, "authors like Germar Rudolf and Carlo Mattogno do no deserve such smears." "I am pleading," he added in this brave, twenty-column-inch letter, "for a scientific debate with the arguments of the Auschwitz revisionists." There followed the ultimate accolade, a multi-page verbatim interview with Nolte published on Oct. 3 by news magazine Der Spiegel (issue No. 40/1994) about Hitler, the Germans- and Auschwitz. Although he - too late- renewed his spoken allegiance to the notion of the "gas chambers" and "factories of death", the damage was done. Nolte did not put up a very brave fight- how could he, with jail staring him in the face if he did- but at one crucial moment he did metion the key finding of the Leuchter Report, namely that there are no significant traces of cyanide compounds in the supposed lethal gas chambers at Auschwitz. To this one of Spiegel's editors glibly interpolated: "Dafuer gibt es doch eine Erklaerung. Die Molekuelen wurden nahezu restlos von den Koerpen absorbiert." (There's an explanation for that: the molecules were absorbed virtually completely by the cadavers.) Having thus rewritten the laws of chemistry, Der Spiegel reported four weeks later in issue No., 44: "The editors of the Frankfurter Allgemeine, Gunther Nonnenmacher and Johann Georg Reissmuller, have now informed Nolte that they will not print any more articles by him." Nolte responded with an even longer, twenty-four inch reader's letter (Nolte: "Farewell Leter") in the FAZ, asserting that his Spiegel interview contained "neither scandalous nor provocative utterances." The word 'antisemitism,' he wrote, "has many facets. If anybody who defends himself aainst the unfounded attacks of a Mr. Bubis is ipso facto an antisemite then I plead guilty and I'm not ashamed of it." He then explained why as a serious historian he felt obliged to take seriously the arguments of the revisionists- "precisely because Auschwitz is the pivotal point of my philosophical and historical analysis." "I wuld be ashamed to take the easy way out," he added, "namely to holler for new laws to punish contrary opinions that are not expressed with the slightest intent of defaming anybody." The new laws, he explained, putting flesh to the legalistic language, meant that anybody who even murmured misgivings about the "eye-witness" reports by Kurt Gerstein or Milos Nyiszli - two of the more grotesque Holocaust liars - "is to be punished with five years' imprisonment." "What particularly depresses me," continued Nolte in his letter, "is the fact that ten years ago my colleague Martin Broszat, now unfortunately dead, put forward serious misgivings; but that this time around there is a deathly silence among the academic historians and their allies." [Broszat, director of the Institute of Contemporary History, expressed his misgivings in a 1977 paper reviewing David Irvings, book HITLER'S WAR, in which he admitted that Irving was right on one count: there was no Hitler Order]. By ostracising Nolte as they have ostracised Mr Irving and others before them, these editors have done the revisionist cause a service: Nolte becomes one more martyr who will now fight more bravely for the cause, indeed with burning fanaticism, until final victory is won. "Most telling of all in my eyes," Nolte tells ACTION REPORT, "was waht Marcel Reich-Ranicki wrote in the weekend supplement to the Frankfurter Allegemeine Zeitung on Nov. 26. The sideswipes he allows himself against me in that piece are nothing short of an attack on the FAZ's entire 'line' so far, and thus against [former chief editor], Joachim Fest as well)." As reported in : David Irving's ACTION REPORT No.9, May 1995. Great truths always begin as blasphemies .....G. B. Shaw _________________________________________________________________________ "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil " ... Nietzsche ________________________________________________________________________
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