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From: al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith)
Subject: Oi!
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	Alright... who let the S.H.A.R.P.s, Reds, and bleeding hearts into the
skinhead base?  I've been happily reading all the posts and I can't believe
that more Nationalists don't have the backbone to stand up to this kind of
abuse.  I'm from Gatineau, Quebec, and found this newsgroup quite by accident,
however fortunate.  I thought this would be a kind of "support group", or
something.  A place to make contacts and discuss things of relevance to the
movement.  I hope I wasn't wrong.

	In response to those who reminisce about beating up "nazis", and to 
those who think it's a noble cause, well I'd like to see it.  Things don't
work that way in this part of the country.  I can't remember the last time
one of us was bested by a left-winger.  We ran S.H.A.R.P. out of town,
disgraced the A.R.A. (Anti-racist action) when they instigated a riot in
downtown Ottawa, and are growing more each day.  We are a centralized
movement with growing links nationaly and internationaly.  We are affiliated
with groups in Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit, London (England), etc...  The first
race riot in Canada was begat by the Gatineau crew, though it received minor
media attention at the time (the reason being that no publicity reduces our
exposure to "vulnerable" minds, another example of Z.O.G. censorship).  We
were vastly outnumbered by our foes, yet they turned tail and ran.  Typical.
This is not the least of our acheivements:  no member is in jail.  What good
would we do our cause in jail?  We (I) publish a french-language paper (this
being Quebec) which is distributed in several cities.  We will soon become the
Canadian office for Blood & Honour international.  We recently organised a
concert including the bands Brutal Attack (of English fame), Bound for Glory
(of St. Paul, Minnesota), Aggravated Assault, Nordic Thunder, The Voice,
Aryan, and RaHoWa.  We have established a record label.  In short, we are
organised far beyond your wildest imaginations.  We will survive, and we
will prevail.  Perhaps not in my lifetime, but the day will come.  Granted,
Canada is not the Jewnited States, we do not have the massive black population
 or crime, nor do we have them rioting in our streets claiming they are
"oppressed".  They have had ample opportunity to improve their social status,
and yet remain where they are.  The fact is, if whites hadn't civilized
blacks in sub-saharan Africa, they would still be wandering tribes fighting
evolution with spears, which, in fact they still do, which is what scares me:
a nuclear power like South Africa being ruled by tribes as uncivilized as the
barbarian tribes which roamed Europe a mere 2000 years ago.  The white race
has come the farthest in the shortest time, and has brought civilisation with
it wherever it has gone.  In actual fact, Liberalism is a white ideal.  The
constitution, democracy, & freedom of speech have all been advocated by the
white people, even those to which I am politically and ideologically opposed.
	Go figger!

	I would like to end by saying that if anyone out there supports me,
don't let me stand alone.  Support your brothers in arms.  For anyone skinhead
interested in forming contacts etc., reply to me either here, or by E-mail.
For redundacy's sake, it's al998@Freenet.carleton.ca

		We used to stand proud,
		And sing 'O' Canada...


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From: ai433@Freenet.carleton.ca (John Baglow)
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In a previous article, al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith) says:

>This is not the least of our acheivements:  no member is in jail.

Not true. One of this crowd was just awarded three months in jail plus a
lengthy probation for assault. Other trials are forthcoming. This all grew
out of an event on May 29, in which a handful of neo-nazis roamed around
Ottawa, beating up innocent bystanders including a homeless man, who was
dragged by his hair down a street by these fine Aryan warriors. Blood and
Honour? Haven't seen much of the latter from this bunch.

On November 27, there was a gathering of various neo-nazis in Hull, across
the river from Ottawa (for you American readers! :) ). Afterwards, some of
them went to celebrate in a donut shop, picked a fight with some
customers, and there were four more arrests. The beat goes on...

>	I would like to end by saying that if anyone out there supports me,
>don't let me stand alone.

And here I thought the "movement" was growing...

--John Baglow
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From: al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Oi!
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References:    1) I'll post what and where I want. If you don't like it, get the hell off
>the net.

	Now you're a moderator as well?

>
>2) One person is seldom a threat to a group: but collectively we have dealt
>and are dealing with neo-nazi punkdom quite effectively, thank you. Give
>it up, chum. In this region, neo-nazism ranks just below pedophilia as far
>as popular preferences go.

	Collectively you have done nothing.  Individually, you have done
nothing.  In short, you have done nothing.  Your groups represent no threat
to our movement, and in actual fact, the publicity you give us helps our
recruitment.  In this region, there are many more people than you think who
espouse our views, perhaps not in their totality, but in some part.  We
represent a growing minority of people in this country who are disenfranchised
with the multi-cultural experiment which has been thrust upon us.  We have
supporters in the most unlikely areas.  I have had many discussions with
people, after which they found our policies not unreasonable.  These people
simply do not voice their opinions for fear of being labelled a racist, which
in this society has come to have negative connotations.  I am a racist.  I find
no negativity in the fact.  Please do not criticise what you know nothing of.

>
>3) I haven't actually mentioned the labour movement in this newsgroup, so
>your remark must seem a little cryptic to readers. Jason the Aryan is
>referring to the fact that I have spoken on behalf of labour at anti-nazi
>rallies.

	I'm sorry for that oversight.  I simply assumed that people were
from the area, which of course, most aren't.  Forgive my negligence in
this matter, however, cryptic or not, your movement is nothing short of
socialist extremism in nature.

-- 
One land, one voice, 			|	Fools Understand Me,
One love, one choice...			|	And Blind Men Do See...
The Nationalist, P.O. box 428		|
Gatineau, Qc., J8P 7A1			|	...FrontBann


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From: al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith)
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In a previous article, ccamfiel@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Camfield "Galadan")) says:

>In article <1993Dec5.203122.7051@msus1.msus.edu>,
>  wrote:
>>Tony Q. writes:
>>>   And there's far more of my type of "Aryan" than of your type...
>>We're devoted.  Your kind is soft -- all talk.  
>>
>>Victory will be *ours*.
>
>Arrogant.  I bet that's the way Hitler thought before the Battle of Britain.

	In actual fact, Britain was on its knees, and yet Hitler turned his
eyes to the east where his real enemy lay:  Communism.  He did not want to
fight Britain, and never had the heart for it.  Remember, Germany did not
declare war on France and Britain.  The opposite holds true.  Two imperialistic
powers becoming involved in a struggle for which they had no interest but
self-aggrandizement.  Churchill was a fool, and lost Britain's empire in that
war.  France was corrupt and bourgeois, and rapidly fell.  This was the army
which was supposed to be the best in the world at that time.  Hmmm...
-- 
One land, one voice, 			|	Fools Understand Me,
One love, one choice...			|	And Blind Men Do See...
The Nationalist, P.O. box 428		|
Gatineau, Qc., J8P 7A1			|	...FrontBann


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From: al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith)
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In a previous article, studentuser@duckmail.uoregon.edu () says:


>     Bullshit. Despite popular myth, the Federal government has done
>approximately the MINIMUM that it coulds get away with, these past few
>decades, to improve the lot of African Americans in this country. Any
>improvements we've made have been largely through our own efforts, and by
>involving ourselves in other progressive movements (e.g. labor unions, the
>environmental movement, etc).

	Perhaps, and that is as it should be.  The fact then, that African
Americans have gone nowhere is due to their inability inherent to the race.

 
>    BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Lissen, BRAIN DEATH, go to your local library and
>read (if you can) some MODERN books about African civilization and what it
>was really like. Read about the great trading empires of the Air, the
>Songhay and the Ashanti; look up Audoghast in an encyclopedia and see what
>it tells you. Granted, my ancestors were in no position to compete with the
>technological dynamism of 19th Century Europe, but that in no way means
>that they were inferior. Their civilizations developed differently and
>perhaps in SOME cases more slowly then in Europe, but so friggin what?! Not
>all Asian civilizations were Ming Dynasty China, either! Does that make
>them inferior? 

	In your own statement, you have granted that whites were in no
position to compete.  So blacks learned how to trade amongst themselves...
Wow!  Does that mean they could go to the corner store and buy a new shield
and spear?!


>    Oh, yes: Apartheid racist oppression is perfectly civilized but when
>Africans try to take control of their own lives, LOOK OUT!! DEM NIGGAZ IZ
>OUT 'O CONTROL!! AAAAAAHHH!! Yeah. The only way things could break down is
>if the Zulu and the Xhosa and the whites don't come together to create a
>workable future for that nation based on equality and justice. With help
>from extreamists like the Arfikaaner Resistance Movement and  the Inkatha
>Freedom Party, plus outside rogue organizations such as the C.I.A., that
>could very well happen. 

Your point is?  I support the AWB and their actions.

>    Ask a Navaho. Talk to  an Apache. Read about our glorious war in
>Vietnam, or our covert one in Central America (specificlly Guatemala and El
>Salvador).

I know and respect several Natives.  I haven't met a one yet who prefers
a black over a skinhead.  This, of course, is from my own personal experience,
however, Indians may perceive the white man as the conquerer, and have come
to accept it, more or less, but they regard blacks and Asians with complete
contempt, as they find they are invading this country nore and more.
Particularly those of the Nation of Islam.  Malcolm X is dead... our dream came
true.

	Black nationalism has no place in NA.  Blacks were brought here by us,
and we reserve the right to send 'em back.  For those of you Nation of Islam
followers, if you want to return to your roots, fine.  If you want to rediscover
your culture, fine.  But, it has no place in North America.  Go back to Africa
if you want to practice your culture.

	'Nuff said...
-- 
One land, one voice, 			|	Fools Understand Me,
One love, one choice...			|	And Blind Men Do See...
The Nationalist, P.O. box 428		|
Gatineau, Qc., J8P 7A1			|	...FrontBann


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From: al998@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Smith)
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In a previous article, plunney@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (TIGGER) says:


>JASON SAYS:>>
>> 	Had you not been so ignorant, and read the rest of the posts, you would
>> have noticed that I acknowledged the fact that I made a mistake. 
>
>I did see that. However, you cannot brush off such an obvious mistake. You
>claim to be an expect on Hitler, Nazi Germany, and how it relates to today, and
>yet you blatantly screw up the location of an important part of WWII history.
>Then you tried to blow it off by saying, "oh whoops, I mean this other place,
>and yeah, there were Germans there too..." The point is, you obviously don't
>know anything about German history if you made such an obvious mistake. You're
>still a shit-talking asshole who misrepresents things to prove something.

You're so arrogant, I'm surprised your mother even likes you.  Neither did I
claim to be an expert, nor do I pretend to be.  I'm just an average Joe
fighting for a cause I believe in.  If I wanted to hear from an asshole, I'd
fart.


>Nope. I never make mistakes. Tiggers are wonderful things, remember?

	Then go back to your fairy-tale land with Winnie.

>I wouldn't say that. If you knew how to read in the first place, it would be
>easy. To sum up: You have no idea what you're talking about, American neo-nazis
>don't know what they're talking about, you're all a bunch af Hitler fanaticists
>(exept for Milton, who isn't) and you just like being a Nazi because you like
>beating people up, jock boy.

	A: Your mouth is fouler than the stench which emanates from under
your arms.  B: I am not a Hitler fanatic, nor do I pretend to be.  I simply
defend his actions from lesser beings such as yourself.  I recognize his
faults and strengths.  C: I haven't been in a fight in a long, long time.  I
don't look for fights, but should one come my way, I would not hesitate to
retaliate.  I don't do my cause any good in jail.  D: I'm not a jock, either.
However, I don't expect close-minded butt-reamers such as yourself to believe
that.  Wipe your mouth before you open it, because shit stains.

>BULLFUCKINGSHIT. Read my other posts, responding to actual intelligent
>statements. Ask Hermann. I carry on intelligent discussions with him all the
>time. Ask Pendragon why he never says anything after I intelligently prove how
>all his posts are empty rhetoric only. Maybe you're just jealous becuase you
>never post anything intelligent, and therefore don't deserve it in return.

	Perhaps Pendragon has better things to do than reply to your incessant
cock-knocking.  I'm certainly not jealous; I may be inbred, but I'm not into
bestiality.

>I'll take that as a compliment. As I said before, this net should be for
>skinheads and about skinhead culture, not an arguing forum for National
>Socialism and racism, but it's not going to happen...SO WHEN IN ROME, BE AN
>ASSHOLE TO EVERYONE WHO DESERVES IT. And may I say that you're an inbred piece
>of filth who has no personal identity beyond hate and bald heads. You're a
>fucking cueball fratboy if I ever saw one.

	You're so self-important.  Do you honestly believe that your view is
the only right one?  Who are you to question my moral and ethical standpoint?
Our ethics differ, therefore, you have no right to judge me according to your
ethical code.  Judge me by mine.  I am capable of debate, and will even concede
points to my opponents.  I do not blindly accept what is handed to me by
popular history, the media, and society.  I think for myself, thank you very
much.  Perhaps if you could take a step back and examine yourself, you wouldn't
be so self-righteous.  I have: doubt is healthy for the mind.  Do you think
that I don't question the validity of my views on ocassion?  Not to do so would
be irresponsable.  I reaffirm myself after each and every time.  Can you say
the same?

-- 
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I do it for you, and the love of our land...		Public Enemy

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In a previous article, mrich@me.umn.edu (Mike Richards ABC)) says:

>GBYARDLE@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Goth Eight) writes:
>
>>Since this newsgroup seems to have a nice even mix of racists and 
>>anti-racists, I've posted my story here.  Comments, anybody?
>
>Yeah------>you suck!! Quit your whinning you naive bastard. You 
>didn't get the job you hoped for because you expect life to 
>be handed to you on a silver platter. Look in the mirror sometime, 
>and stop blaming other people for your problems. I hope the Orientals
>kick your ass----->you need it.

	On behalf of Goth Eight and all who are white and proud on this Net,
Fuck you.

	Sorry about the momentary outburst.

-- 
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I do it for you, and the love of our land...		Public Enemy

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Subject: Re: e: VVZ
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In a previous article, Werner () says:

 
>  There is a barrel between a 'true', not hysterical white racist and these
> kinds of VVZ-people!
> 

	That's the smartest thing I've heard on this newsgroup in a long time.
Zhironovsky is nothing but a power-hungry opportunist.  He will use his "White"
angle only as long as it appeals to his voters.  He purports to be a White
Nationalist, and yet he supported the Communist putsch.  Not the deeds of a
true Nationalist, by any stretch of the imagination.  His first and foremost
target would be the Jewnited States, as he sees it as a negrified, Jewified
bourgeois state.  (In this assessment, he is right.)  However, being a
Canadian, having nuclear weapons exploding so close to home is a bit worrisome.
There is no way that Canada would let such things occur without getting
involved herself (BOOM!).  It is sad to think that the only person to represent
white rights in a long time would have to be a maniac, only lending credibility
to the stereotype that all white nationalists are crazy.  On the other hand,
I do not identify myself with Vlad the Slav.  This is of course, only my
opinion, but I do not consider Slavs to be a part of the Nordic/European race
of my forebears.  If he were truly interested in the future of the white race,
he would not threaten Germany, nor any other white nation.  His only interests
are self-aggrandizement and aggression.  That's my piece.


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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: The Title "Skinhead" does not translate "Peace"
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References: <2h1d10$9a9@amhux3.amherst.edu> <2h0078$qdn@amhux3.amherst.edu>    That was probabaly one of the most intelligent things I've seen posted in a 
>long time.  You're right.  We're not going to convince each other.  At most
>we can have the kind of intellectual fun that comes from a good argument.  It
>would be for the best though if we gave politics a rest for a bit and maybe
>talked about things like, I don't know, music?  Anyone been to any good shows
>lately?
>Sorry Jason if what I said to Ron seemed like a lefthanded complement.  
>Actually, maybe it was, but I do find that, in light of a lot of your recent
>postings, I have a great deal of respect for you.


	Why, thank you!  I'm blushing!  My being a "Nazi" 
doesn't leave much room for compliments to be thrown my way on this net.
Regardless, I am still a skinhead, and who said racists couldn't be nice people
too?  ;)

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Racist friends
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In a previous article, rawatts@unix.amherst.edu (WATTS) says:

>OK.  Here's a question that I've had for quite some time now.  Is it possible
>for an anti-racist to have a friend who is racist, maybe to the point of Herman
>and Pendragon, and still remain friends with that person?  At first the entire
>idea seems maybe ridiculous, but thinking about it . . .I don't know.
>Couldn't you just accept racism as a personality flaw, just like any other?
>Of course, this is a personality flaw much bigger than most, but still.  I
>have friends who are staunch conservatives, fundamentalist Christians, all
>sorts of things that I disagree with.  We recognize that these are things 
>that we'll always disagree on, so avoid discussing such matters, or at least todetach these discussions from our friendship.  It seems
>as though having a racist friend is the same thing.  What Jason mentioned 
>earlier, talking politics for a while, and then going out to down a few pints
>together, seems possible.
>I really don't know.  Anyone have any comments?


	Sorry, but I must take exception to your use of the phrase "person-
ality flaw".  From my point of view, being left-wing, or liberal is a serious
personality flaw.  A person's politics can be influenced by many things, and
is a personal thing.  Where I'm concerned, I sometimes just can't understand
how someone can NOT be racist, how they can't see what seems so very obvious
to me.  The reverse holds true.  I don't see this as a personality flaw as
such, but rather as having different mind-sets.  What makes you (not you
personally) morally better than I?  What gives you the right to judge my
feelings and convictions?  Anyhow, that's enough politics for now.  I'm sick
'o the shit.

	In answer to your question, yes people who are anti-racist can have
friends who are racist.  This of course excludes people who are violently
anti-racist, but most people can get along.  Crusaders of any type are not
normally fit to join society anyway, as they are too absorbed in their
convictions to enjoy life.  These people are sociopaths, in my opinion.  As
for me, I have friends who are not neccesarily anti-racist, but definitely
are non-racist.  They understand some of my views, and disagree with others.
We normally don't talk about it.  I even have a rather good aquaintance who is
an American Indian.  I'm racist towards him, he's racist towards me, but we
hold a grudging respect for each other,as we hold to many of the same ideals.
I feel my land is being invaded, so does he.  In his opinion, whites and
Indians should hold together to beat a common foe.  We do argue alot, however,
about our politics, but we can both take it good naturedly.  I can even call
him an "Injun" or a "Redskin", and he calls me  "Paleface" and other such
derogatory terms.  WE have fun, then get drunk.

	I keep my politics to myself, mostly, and when I go out with friends
(who are mostly not-racist), I like to have a good time without having to
discuss race or politics.  Admittedly,it gets tiring sometimes going out
with my racist skin friends who never tire of saying the words "nigger" and
"kike".  Some are pretty uncouth, and lack class.  Leave it at home.  When
I go to political meetings, or rallies, gigs, etc., then it's different.  I
don't discuss what I do with people, and they respect me for it.

	Some people you can never please, though...

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Article: 4014 of alt.skinheads
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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Racist friends
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References:    Yeah, there's a lot of racism around, but the country isn't exactly
>crawling with Nazis, now, is it?

	Perhaps not, but we do represent a large segment of the population.
Most people keep their views to themselves, as they are afraid of being
labelled "racist".  This is not to say that these people are nazis by any
stretch of the imagination, but many do admire me for standing for what I 
believe in.  Many want to see immigration stopped (note the recent voting- in
of the Reform party).  Others just want to keep white white.  Others are more
into a pride for their race.  Others simply object to the left-wing tactics
of people such as yourself who claim that minorities are "oh so oppressed", and
who will stop at nothing to provide comfort for these people.  Others are just
tired of the reverse discrimination going on.  Anybody ever watch "Cosby" or
"A Different World"?  Both these shows are racist and offensive, in my opinion.
Characters on both these shows profess to be proud to be black.  Could you
imagine the uproar if let's say, Tony on "Who's the boss" professed to be
proud to be white?  All the civil liberties and left-wing activists such as 
yourself would be in an uproar, screaming racism.  Well, fuck you.

>A middle of the road Nazi. Right. And one who boasted a while back of
>helping to start a race riot, but now piously claims he wouldn't attack
>someone for being black.

	Why is it so hard for you to understand?  You seem to group all
White Nationalists into the same group.  Would you say all Christians are like
the Branch Davidians?  No.  Then, by the same token, not all Nationalists are
rabid hate-mongers who would gladly fry all non-whites.  Get a grip.  Incident-
ally, I didn't start the riot, your group did, but we certainly finished it,
now didnn't we?

>Let me put it this way, to all you people out there who think racists and
>nazis might be nice people with a personality flaw. Tell that (if you
>could) to the man thrown off a bridge in Ottawa to his death by some skins
>who thought he was gay. Or to the man who woke up that same night with a
>screwdriver in his eye from the same gang. Tell it to the Tamil in Toronto,
>beaten senseless by these "blood and honour" types. When he comes out of his
>coma, that is. Another Tamil in Toronto can't be spoken to--he was killed.
>Tell it to the kids in our schools who are regularly beaten, taunted and
>harassed by young nazi punks. Tell it to Holocaust survivors, having to
>take a lot of ignorant crap from street types who don't know anything
>about history and haven't a shred of human decency. Tell it to my friend
>whose entire family was wiped out by the creatures these cyber-nazis so
>admire. (Some of them would probably drool at the prospect of gassing her.)

	Did you ever stop to think that maybe these attacks were provoked?
And if not, then they were senseless attacks.  Perhaps they were retribution,
that doesn't make it any more right, but at least there was an underlying
reason.  I'm certainly no apologist, but there are thugs on both sides of
the fence.  What about the nine SHARPs who beat up two skins (one a girl) in
the McDonald's on Rideau street, simply for being there?  What about those
that fire-bombed Wolgang Droege's car?  What about the skin who was attacked
by blacks weilding 2x4's with nails through them?  What about the Jamaican
who slit my throat as I left my girlfriend's place, just because he saw I was
a "Fuckin' skin"?  Don't give me your typical anti-racist self-righteousness.
You people are responsable for as much thuggery as mine.  There are bad apples
in every bunch, now aren't there?

>If I sound pissed off, it's because I am. I've seen the damage these
>creeps can do. It doesn't happen on a computer screen. It happens to real,
>flesh-and-blood people, who may not have the skin-colour or sexual
>orientation that people like Jason Smith approve of. People are literally
>being assaulted and killed simply because losers like Smith don't like the
>way they look or the way they are.

	I'm living proof of the damage you people can do.  I've a six inch
scar on my neck to prove it.  I was assaulted and almost killed simply for
being who I am, now in your twisted mind,is that alright, or is it deplorable
as well?

>Don't get the impression that these guys are just daring words and
>provocative statements in cyberspace. They are violent punks, or
>encouragers of violent punks, motivated by an ideology of sadism and hate.
>They are losers who desperately want to feel like winners: their only
>hope, because they can't actually accomplish anything themselves to be
>proud of, is to claim superiority because of something they had no control
>over: being white, having blue eyes, or ten toes, or whatever. 

	Right.  And you've never made a racist statment in your lifetime, eh?
Get off you high-horse, and get down to reality.  I can have respectful,
intelligent discussions with most people on the net, but you are a closed-
minded bigot.  You categorize and prejudge me because of my political views,
and yet you claim to be open-minded.  It seems you are propagating the very
oppression of which you accuse me.  Like I said, crusaders do nothing to help
anybody, only to soothe their own egos.  You, John, are a crusader.

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	I'd just like to put forth a question:

	Right-wingers who use violence as a means to an end are called
"Fascists".  Yet, the people who advocate stopping right-wingers at any cost,
including the use of violence, are the same people who call the extreme-right
fascist.  Who's the fascist?

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
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In a previous article, plunney@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (TIGGER) says:

>In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 	I'd just like to put forth a question:
>> 
>> 	Right-wingers who use violence as a means to an end are called
>> "Fascists".  Yet, the people who advocate stopping right-wingers at any cost,
>> including the use of violence, are the same people who call the extreme-right
>> fascist.  Who's the fascist?
>> 
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>
>EXTREME right-wingers are reactionaries, Extreme left-wingers are
>revolutionaries.
>
>High school poly/sci.

	This, I know.  My point was, self-righteous, pompous left-wingers like
to label us "fascist", when they use the very same tactics against us.

Everyday/life.

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: CONSPIRACY: JASON. JOHN. MOOSEHEAD. MOLSON ICE. FASCIST EGOS.
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In a previous article, plunney@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (TIGGER) says:

>Hi guys. I've discovered it.
>
>It's not a Jewish conspiracy, class conspiracy, anything. It's an ego
>conspiracy. Ya see, Jason Smith is paying John Baglow to post all these
>obnoxious messages on alt.skinheads so that they can a) keep pushing the words
>of Nazism, and b) more importantly, boost their egos.
>
>They're on the same account system, from the same place. They know each other,
>and they're working together to dull us into computer complacency.
>
>We must rebel. Don't worry about waht they say, they're lying and they've paid
>off the media too, so only trust yourselves in this matter.
>
>FIGHT THE POWER OF CARLTON FREENETS! ;-)

	You've figured it out.  John's my bumbuddy and drinking partner.

	Hahahahahahaha!

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: RE: MORE SILLINESS (WAS RE: GAS CHAMB
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In a previous article, dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) says:

>    You cut off Keren's statement with three dots too early.  I remember
>    reading Keren's post yesterday; he very clearly said that Hoss
>    [spelling Keren used] was tortured by the British in order to extract a
>    confession.  He also said that Hoss later wrote prison essays
>    (essentially a long memoir) and that there is no evidence Hoss was
>    turtured to extract these essays.

	He may indeed have cut off Keren's statement, but the fact remains
he was tortured to extract a confession, and what would lead him to think
they would do otherwise to obtain his memoirs?  He was rather resigned to his
fate, I imagine, and it didn't matter what he wrote in his memoirs, the Allies
would believe exactly what they wanted to; with or without corroboration from
Hoess.  Why would he not give them what they wanted to hear, given that he was
to be executed at any rate, and nobody would believe him no matter what he
wrote?  The Jews had, and still have, the entire Western world in a frenzy
about the so-called holocaust.  Funny the West wasn't so concerned during the
war, and closed its doors to Jews.  They feign indignation, sympathy, and
support now, while they protray yhemselves as the saviours of the Jews, and
protectors of their memory, but nobody wanted them any more than Hitler did
during the war...

	Jason

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In a previous article, bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:

>
>You know, the thing that strikes me as most crazy (on the part of the
>revisionists) is the assumption that if these crimes of gassing etc
>did not occur that somehow Germany, over all these years, could or
>would not manage to make this known, or at least have the issue
>raised.

	First of all, it is illegal to deny or revise the Holocaust in 
Germany.  Anybody speaking out would have to want risking his position
to disclaim the Holocaust.  Incidentally, why would denying the holocaust
have to be made illegal?  Are they afraid of what they might learn?

	Second, if someone or some people were to disclaim the holocaust,
however delicately, they would immediately be painted with the same brush
that you paint everybody here: Anti-semitic, neo-nazi, revisionist, delusion-
prone psychopaths.  It doesn't matter where it comes from, they would immediat-
ely be associated with right-wing fringe organisations, and called a nut.

	It's a lose-lose situation.

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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: MORE SILLINESS (WAS RE: GAS CHAMB
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In a previous article, harry@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) says:

>Mr. Smith forgets who enacted this law -- the German people themselves,
>through their democratically elected representatives in government.  If
>the German people, or their elected representatives, had any any doubts
>as to the veracity of the Holocaust, they would have registered that
>doubt instead of passing this legislation.

	Germany is not so interested in the truth as much as they are
interested in distancing themselves from their nazi legacy.  This, as you
will surely claim, is because they realise the 'crimes of their fathers' or
some such cow-cookies.  I beg to differ.  Should they not distance themselves
from their past, they would probably still be under occupation by the Allies,
and would face severe economic sanctions, even if the country weren't occupied.
Better to rid yourself of the occupiers, and bow to their wishes, so that you
can restore your country's economic and cultural standing in the world.
Germans are very careful to present a good face to the world, for fear of
reprisals, and of the world percieving them again as 'nazis'.

>	Incidentally, why would denying the holocaust have to be made
>	illegal?  Are they afraid of what they might learn?
>  
>The German people have learned only too well how much suffering Nazis
>are capable of inflicting and they are most anxious to prevent a
>similar occurence in the future, to the point of banning their
>propaganda.  They have already learned the truth the hard way!

	At the price of one of the most basic freedoms and human rights:
freedom of speech.  Now there's democracy in action!  Funny how after the war,
there was not one Nazi in Germany... to this very day.

>In other words, Germany did not want to publish the truth because they
>were afraid of what Mr. Shein would post in this newsgroup!

	And with his influence and others of his ilk, have the Allied
governments impose severe sanctions on Germany for even *thinking* of denying
the holocaust.  No, sir, Germany is quite content to live in its 'shame' 
imposed by the allies in order to live in peace without interference from
 outside influences.  There are many people in Germany, incidentally, who
'deny' or 'revise' the holocaust.  These people of course, are not employed
by the government, as the government must keep its squeeky clean image.

>This is manifestly untrue!  The only people who get such labels are
>those who have worked hardest to earn them.  For example, Mr. Smith has
>not yet been called an anti-Semite or a neo-Nazi, although it has been
>accurately pointed out that he has trouble thinking and chewing gum at
>the same time!

	Just wait.  It's coming.  This is, after all, but my third posting.

>If there is anything that Germany must avoid at all costs, it is being
>"called a nut!"  Certainly the Germans have had enough to suffer at the
>hands of "right-wing fringe organisations" and cannot be blamed for not
>wanting to associate with them, regardless of what appearance it gives
>the rest of the world.

	Right.  Its collaborationist government must distance itself at all
costs from right-wing organisations to keep itself from being severely 
sanctioned.  All at the cost of political freedom, and freedom of speech.

>Evidently, for Mr. Smith, all situations that require a clear head are
>"lose-lose situations!"

	Very well, if we are to be getting into insults, I guess it's okay
for me to call you a filthy Jew.  (Now *that's* Anti-semitic!!)
Your insulting people in this manner does nothing to help your cause, and
lends credence to your opponents, as you insult people for lack of anything
better to say.  Post a *real* reply, please, and keep your insults to yourself.
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From: al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
Subject: Re: Jason Smith's political beliefs - is he
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In a previous article,  (Keith Morrison) says:

>Neo-nazis have done a wonderful job of discrediting themselves without anyone
>else's help.  And if the association with the founders of the Nazi party are
>doing you so much harm, why call yourselves Nazis in the first place?  Why
>not a less inflamatory name, one that does not evoke such a visceral response
>in people?  If you are a "left-wing nazi", why not join the Confederation of
>Regions Party, or Reform?  They're both about as right wing as you can get.

	The one thing you seem to be missing is that *I* do not call myself
a "neo-nazi" or a "nazi".  This is a label put upon me by the media and the
left-wing in order to create hysteria among the people.  They've even gone so
far as to call Reform "nazis" and "fascists", and compared Preston Manning to
Hitler.  I think this is nothing short of hysterics.  Glad to see so many
people voted for them nonetheless.  As for joining them, I would not.  They
are not far enough right to support my views, and I would be kicked out of the
party for holding my racialist views.  I *do* support much of their agenda,
but for the anti-Quebec sloganeering, my being a native Quebecer.  As I told
Scott Magnish of the Ottawa Sun when interviewed by him last May 29 (some of
you may recall a race-riot in downtown Ottawa on this day) when asked if the
Reform party was a platform for *our* views, the answer is most definitely
no.

>
>By associating yourself with Naziism, you have voluntarily allied yourself
>with one of the worst gangs of murderers and criminals in history.  And you
>expect anything but disdain and disgust?  Give me a break. 

	I would not call myself by any other name than National Socialist, as
that is precisely what I am: a Nationalist and a Socialist.  Combining the two
ideals, for me, is the best way of expressing my beliefs.  To call myself
anything else would result in nothing short of slander in any case.  People
would say I am hiding behind the innocence of a name to further my cause.  I
believe in calling a spade a spade, and will not be a party to hippocrisy.

>>  If the fact that they are supported
>> and defended by neo-nazis makes them guilty of said anti-semitism by
>> association, then so be it.  I see no reason to believe that they are any
>> more anti-semitic than you.
>
>Oh really?  Have you paid any attention to some of the garbage they put out?

	If denying certain "facts" (aka assumptions) about the Holocaust
upsets the tender sensibilities of Jews, that is by no means anti-semitic.
Perhaps they should seek group therapy?

>By associating with these people, either in name by calling yourself a National
>Socialist, a neo-nazi, a nazi, whatever; or in practice by adopting their 
>tactics, you have allied yourself with some of the worst examples of humanity
>in existance.  So don't cry foul and claim people are misinterpreting you.
>You asked for it.

	Again, you have proved my point.  First, you tell me to join Reform
to distance myself from the word "nazi", but if I adopt their "tactics" or
ideaology even one iota, I am branded a "nazi".  That is sad.  That people
believe you is sad.

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In a previous article, cjh2y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Warpiglet) says:

>Would come for Spring Break, but our gas bill mysteriously jumped by
>(gulp!) several hundred dollars.  Totally scratched my trip to Chicago.
>Send details.  If there's anything I can do, let me know.

	Hmmm... sorry to hear that.  Check the meter, and don't light a match.
There's really not much you can do, as I'm already working on it.  It's kind
of an irony at that.  The kids who get suspended and/or expelled, I get them
to make a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights commission, and complain
of discrimination based on political beliefs and/or race.  Why is it Ok for
the blacks to wear t-shirts with the African Logo on it, or the face of the
African National Congress's Communist terrorist Mandela, or worse yet, 
Malcolm X caps, whilst Whites can't even assert a pride in their heritage
by wearing a badge which identifies them with their Celtic Heritage?  They
also get suspended for wearing white laces, etc...  Fortunately, when the
schools are faced with such a crisis, they either back down, or ban the
African logos as well.  Fair *is* fair.

	Over and above that, well, you could reply to my E-mail.  ;)  Have
a good break, even if you have no money.

-- 
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In a previous article, mqcs03@otago.ac.nz (The Green Dragon) says:

>>		Northern Hammer Skins
>
>This is a very simplistic question so - please don't flame me for it, but 
>where the fuck is Northern Hammer - as ya can see I live in New Zealand,
>Dunedin to be exact!

	Haha!  Sorry, I had to laugh.  *That* was cute...

	Northern Hammer isn't a place, it's a region, ie. 'North'.  The Hammer
is part of the name of the group: Hammer Skins.  I live in Canada, and as
such, pretty much all the Hammerskins here are "Northern" (at least to our
American couterparts...).  Other emplacements of the 'Northern' Hammers are
Montreal, and St. Paul, Minnesota.  There are 'Eastern' Hammer skins in 
the Eastern US, and the 'Confederate' Hammer skins are in the Southern US.
They're all one big group, the Hammerskins, differentiated only by locale, with
the HQ in England.  Answer your question?  :)

	Incidentally, let me be the first to welcome you to the group.  Have
a pint!  Then have another!  Nice to 'ave you...! :)

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In article , al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith) writes...
>	The one thing you seem to be missing is that *I* do not call myself
>a "neo-nazi" or a "nazi".  This is a label put upon me by the media and the
>left-wing in order to create hysteria among the people.  They've even gone so
>far as to call Reform "nazis" and "fascists", and compared Preston Manning to
>Hitler.  I think this is nothing short of hysterics.  Glad to see so many
>people voted for them nonetheless.  As for joining them, I would not.  They
>are not far enough right to support my views, and I would be kicked out of the
>party for holding my racialist views.  I *do* support much of their agenda,
>but for the anti-Quebec sloganeering, my being a native Quebecer.

Then the National Socialists should kick you out too. Frog. You're obviously
geographically impure. 

As much as I detest fascism and all similar ideologies, I at least give some 
of them credit for the ruthless consistency of their views. But hypocrisy of 
your kind should sicken and nauseate every true National Socialist. Don't you
realize that QUEBEC LOST THE WAR! It's over! It's been over for almost two
hundred years. ENGLISH is the language of Canada in the future, son! Don'cha
know? Forget this silly, lisping, effete language which the cowardly bleeding-
heart liberals in Canada's federal government forced every true, good-hearted
Anglo Canadian to lay eyes on on a dialy basis. One day, all schoolchildren in
Quebec City will grow up learning "To be, or not to be..." and not "etre, ou
n'etre pas..." And then Canada shall become as a utopia, and we'll all be cool.
Comprenez?


  As I told
>Scott Magnish of the Ottawa Sun when interviewed by him last May 29 (some of
>you may recall a race-riot in downtown Ottawa on this day) when asked if the
>Reform party was a platform for *our* views, the answer is most definitely
>no.

I bet they're some sort of commie front group. You should go to their meetings
and warn people of this.

>>By associating yourself with Naziism, you have voluntarily allied yourself
>>with one of the worst gangs of murderers and criminals in history.  And you
>>expect anything but disdain and disgust?  Give me a break. 
> 
>	I would not call myself by any other name than National Socialist, as
>that is precisely what I am: a Nationalist and a Socialist.  Combining the two
>ideals, for me, is the best way of expressing my beliefs.  To call myself
>anything else would result in nothing short of slander in any case.  People
>would say I am hiding behind the innocence of a name to further my cause.  I
>believe in calling a spade a spade, and will not be a party to hippocrisy.

Then end your greatest cowardice and embrace the power of the Dark Side! If you
call yourself a National Socialist, the idea that the Nazis killed six million
Jews and an equal number of other undesirables should not give you any pause.
Why are you so ashamed of it? You disgrace the memory of Hitler with your
prevaricating. Come on Jason! We are going to have fun on this island!

Or is it that you and your movement somehow recognize that you have no one of
Hitler's caliber as a leader and organizer, and in order to equal him you have 
to deny what he did? It must be awful when you know that the closest you will
ever come in your lifetime to taking power is starting a bar fight with a rival
bunch of fascists.

>	If denying certain "facts" (aka assumptions) about the Holocaust
>upsets the tender sensibilities of Jews, that is by no means anti-semitic.
>Perhaps they should seek group therapy?

If certain accomplishments of your political heroes distress you, perhaps you
should quit being a "National Socialist" and either get drunk, or go to group
therapy with them.

>	Again, you have proved my point.  First, you tell me to join Reform
>to distance myself from the word "nazi", but if I adopt their "tactics" or
>ideaology even one iota, I am branded a "nazi".  That is sad.  That people
>believe you is sad.

Well, then stand up and shout out long and shout out loud "I'M A NAZI AND I'M
PROUD!!!"

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References:  <2nkj50$he0@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>  Then the National Socialists should kick you out too. Frog. You're obviously
>geographically impure. 

	As if geographical location has anything to do with it.  The most
active neo-nazis in the country are centered in Quebec.  We here in Canada
don't care for the language issue.  WE care if you're white.  The language
issue has been foisted upon us for far too long, and has been detrimental
in our goal of unity.

>
>As much as I detest fascism and all similar ideologies, I at least give some 
>of them credit for the ruthless consistency of their views. But hypocrisy of 
>your kind should sicken and nauseate every true National Socialist. Don't you
>realize that QUEBEC LOST THE WAR! It's over! It's been over for almost two
>hundred years. ENGLISH is the language of Canada in the future, son! Don'cha
>know? Forget this silly, lisping, effete language which the cowardly bleeding-
>heart liberals in Canada's federal government forced every true, good-hearted
>Anglo Canadian to lay eyes on on a dialy basis. One day, all schoolchildren in
>Quebec City will grow up learning "To be, or not to be..." and not "etre, ou
>n'etre pas..." And then Canada shall become as a utopia, and we'll all be cool.
>Comprenez?

	I don't ever recall Canadian National Socialists saying anything
about Quebec.  And what does the war have to do with anything?  Your arguments
are completely irrelevant.  Canadian National Socialist beliefs are consistent
through and through.  As I have pointed out, the most active partisans are
located in Quebec (if you don't believe me, read Warren Kinsella's new book:
Web of Hate).  Most Quebec white power proponents, as well as the rest of the
country, don't care what language you speak.

>  As I told
>>Scott Magnish of the Ottawa Sun when interviewed by him last May 29 (some of
>>you may recall a race-riot in downtown Ottawa on this day) when asked if the
>>Reform party was a platform for *our* views, the answer is most definitely
>>no.
>
>I bet they're some sort of commie front group. You should go to their meetings
>and warn people of this.

	The Reform party *is* right-wing, but then again, so are the Conserva-
tives.  Are you calling them nazis too?  The fact remains that they are not
a platform for our views.

>>	I would not call myself by any other name than National Socialist, as
>>that is precisely what I am: a Nationalist and a Socialist.  Combining the two
>>ideals, for me, is the best way of expressing my beliefs.  To call myself
>>anything else would result in nothing short of slander in any case.  People
>>would say I am hiding behind the innocence of a name to further my cause.  I
>>believe in calling a spade a spade, and will not be a party to hippocrisy.
>
>Then end your greatest cowardice and embrace the power of the Dark Side! If you
>call yourself a National Socialist, the idea that the Nazis killed six million
>Jews and an equal number of other undesirables should not give you any pause.
>Why are you so ashamed of it? You disgrace the memory of Hitler with your
>prevaricating. Come on Jason! We are going to have fun on this island!

	Nowhere did I denounce the killing of "Six Million" Jews.  I did
point out, however, that I support revisionists.  Whether six million died
or not, I frankly don't care.  If they did, good.  If they didn't, good.
If six million died, that's six million less to deal with in the future.
If they didn't die, then I'm not worried, because I've lived my entire life
with those Jews around me.  I'll transport them to the island of Madagascar,
or something.  I don't advocate killing them, but neither do I care if they
die.

>>	If denying certain "facts" (aka assumptions) about the Holocaust
>>upsets the tender sensibilities of Jews, that is by no means anti-semitic.
>>Perhaps they should seek group therapy?
>
>If certain accomplishments of your political heroes distress you, perhaps you
>should quit being a "National Socialist" and either get drunk, or go to group
>therapy with them.

	As I have stated: I don't care either way.  I'm not responsable
for what Hitler did.  I'm no apologist, either.  I don't believe they were
killed en-masse as you claim, but if they were, I don't care.  In this
way, my consciensce is clear.  My predecessor's actions do not distress me
in the least, as I wasn't there, much less alive.  I'm not here to repeat
mistakes of the past.

>Well, then stand up and shout out long and shout out loud "I'M A NAZI AND I'M
>PROUD!!!"
>
>
	Very well, then: [standing in a chair] I'M A NAZI AND PROUD!!!

Did that give you your jollies?  I'm sure that's exactly what you wanted, to
see me exclaim it to the entire world.  It means absolutely nothing, however,
I'm sure that quote will be prominently displayed in McVay's files, as well
as quoted out of context for months to come... have fun!

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In a previous article, cr873x@unix1.circ.gwu.edu (Ezekiel Hughes) says:

>
>and disregard the typos cuz it's too late at night.  

	Oh, and I thought it was because you were black...

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References: <2nsikf$nk5@netnews.upenn.edu>  Well thank God they don't care about language.  There's always something
>that I've wanted to know about these Nazi parties located in Allied
>countries: why do you support an ideology which has killed so mnay people
>in your nation?  I mean, Hitler wanted to take over the world, yet you
>worship him.  You claim to want the best for your country, but why would
>you espouse the ravings of a lunatic who would destroy it?  And also, did
>your parents believe the same crap that you do?

	Firstly, I am a Canadian National Socialist, not a German one.  
National Socialism didn't kill people in my country, Hitler did.  I'm not a
Hitler fanatacist, as many who have discussed this with me may know.  There
were many other members of note in the NSDAP.  Anton Drexler, the founder,
for instance.  Ludecke, who introduced the idea of using a form of Mussolini's
fascism to Hitler.  Bormann, Hess...  Hitler sold out the workers to the
industrialists in his bid for power.  Hitler had no quarrel with England, and
tried to form an alliance which was thrown back in his face.  Too bad for
England, they might still have their Empire.  And *no*, my parents do not
support my views, nor do they condone my activities, but they are my parents,
after all.  At my age, what my parents think is irrelevant.

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In a previous article, bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu () says:

>        failure to catch obvious irony.  Not a exclusively Nazi trait, but the
>cluelessness is noteworthy nonetheles.  

	I most definitely noticed it.  How I choose to interpret and respond
to it is my perogative.  I chose to overlook it.

>        yet another failure to catch the irony/humor.  

	
>
>        blatant antisemitism, coupled with racism, coupled with professed
>belief in "National Socialism"
>        ..sounds like a Nazi to me...
>
>        tell me Mr Smith, if you're not a Nazi, than how do differentiate
>yourself from them in anything other than a semantic fashion?  The fact that
>you use the english version of the term "Nazi"  (actually NSDAP) does not
>amount to anything.  
>        If you're not a nazi, as you earlier stated, what makes you unique?

	If I were a nazi, I'd be 90 years old.

>        I guess thisisan admission.   Why then did you earlier try to distance
>yourself from Nazis?
>        Do you have something to hide?

	I have nothing to hide, nor have I tried to distance myself from nazis.
My intention was this: people's perception of what a White Nationalist is (read
"Nazi" by the left wing), as depicted by the mass media and the left-wing, is
not necessarily the correct one.  I don't call myself a Nazi.  I'm not a rabid
follower of Hitler, either.  Nationalism coupled with Socialism is National
Socialism, is it not?  This is what I believe in.  I leave it to everybody
to interpret what Nationalism is for them, and what Socialism is as well.
For me, it does not include Hitler-idolisisng.  He was brilliant, yes, and is
a prominent father of the ideology, but he is by no means the only one.  Most
of his dissidents bit it in the night of the long knives...

White and Proud!
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>Jason Smith (al998@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>
>	I hope that was a joke,...
>
>Hope springs eternal!
>
>I forgot that Mr. Smith's sense of humor is slightly impaired.  Yes,
>the above was a joke, and so is this, and so is what follows!
>
>
>	...otherwise, you're just as bad as the "nazis" with
>	their conspiracy theories...
>
>Are those "Nazis" the ones that Mr. Smith associates with or the ones
>that he does not want to be associated with?

	My sense of humour is so impaired that I responded with some irony in
kind.  Not that any of you would get it.  You'd just twist it around to make
it look like something it wasn't.  The "nazi" crack was a play on what you
people stereotype me as.  Poor sap.

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In a previous article, dolsky@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) says:

>fashion.  This is sort of like Marx writing "A World Without Jews"
>although he was Jewish himself or Zhirinovsky's ranting of anti-semitic
>remarks even though he was probably Jewish too (he was born Edelsthein). 
>Shakespeare seemed to notice this phenomenon -- In "Othello", Iago attacks
>all those around him by questioning their masculinity, mainly because he
>is so insecure about his own manliness.  Explaining this seems like a
>waste of time, though, because you wouldn't know the truth if it gave you
>a blow job.

	Of course you're going to say he was Jewish.  Of course you're going
to say he was a schizo.  Of course you're going to promulgate the lie that
he only had one testicle.  You have to say something to discredit the man.
regardless, he was brilliant.  He just couldn't handle the pressure later in
the war years, and lost it.  You use much the same tactics with both Dan and I,
even though politically, we are not even close.  Anyone who disagrees with
you is a fascist, right?

>
>
>>     I recommend that you read "Not Guilty at Nuremberg: The German Defense
>>Case", available from Banished CPU's mail server.  Send the command "get
>>notguilt.txt" to "ftpmail@banished.com" (no quotes).
>
>Oh yeah, another of those unbiased, based on fact IHR mailings.  A must read!

	I'll take it before I take a Jew's word for it.

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In a previous article, maynard@banished.com () says:

>     I recommend that you read "Not Guilty at Nuremberg: The German Defense
>Case", available from Banished CPU's mail server.  Send the command "get
>notguilt.txt" to "ftpmail@banished.com" (no quotes).
>
>
>-Dan Gannon

	Dan: I hope you realize what a fine mess you've put yourself in by
coming to my aid.  All your detractors are going to claim you're now 'coming
out of the closet' by defending a 'nazi'.  Ignore them, I do.

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In a previous article, p00838@psilink.com ("DarkStarr") says:

>Correction: White's commit more crimes than Blacks.

	Perhaps, but considering that Whites are 8 times more numerous, blacks
commit a much higher percentage of the crime.

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In a previous article, cr873x@unix1.circ.gwu.edu (Ezekiel Hughes) says:

>>I am sure alot of people would call these organizations racist.
>
>They are racist organizations.  When will white people realize that
>they did not travel the same plight that AAs did.
>BTW, Your name sounds Indian; are you?  I knew a lot of Asian Indians
>who claimed to be "caucasian."  I laughed.

	These organisations are as racist as their 'colored' couterparts.  You
are a racist, and cloak it in the supposed plight of the oppressed black man.
The black man is no more oppressed than the white man, and if blacks can't
advance themselves in today's society, it is due to one of two things: their
inability, inherent to the race.  2) their unwillingness to do so, as they
would rather gripe and complain and live off white liberals' endeavours to
porovide for them.  I know a few blacks that I went to college with, and they
knew what I was, and respected it.  None of them sat around and griped about
the racist, sexist, homophobic society.  They bettered *themselves*.  One step
up in you, relying on scholarships geared towards minorities exclusively.
There is no such thing as a "black college".  All institutions in this country
were built on a European premise.  They modelled themselves after American
colleges, who modelled themselves after European institutions.  The knowledge
that was taught in these 'black colleges' was given to them by whites.  Blacks,
before there were 'black colleges', were educated in white institutions.  You
owe your freedom, your education, your emancipation, everything to the White
man, you lout.  I may be a racist, but I have a right to be proud of my
people's achievements.  You and Farrakhan have the right idea, but on the
wrong continent.

European Unity, White Power, Pride, and Dignity...

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In a previous article, jlopez@panix.com (J Lopez) says:

>And when are you going back to Europe?

	This is a White land.  We have conquered it.  That is a fact.  The
blacks have not yet conquered anything, and I mean to see to it that they
don't, and that the White man doesn't go the way of the Indian.  *We* were
not brought here, the weak and the meek, but rather came through a conscious
choice.  We laid claim to the land.  Blacks were *brought here by us*, and
consequently have no such claim.  I respect Indian land claims to an extent,
but they claim too much for the percentage of the population which they
represent, much like the blacks.  I don't much see Asians complaining about
their lot, even though many were killed building the rail system.  This,
however, is irrelevant.  This land will remain White land until someone
conquers it from us, just as Europe was once part of the Roman empire, and
Egypt part of the Persian Empire, etc. ad infinitum.  Funny how all these
Empires were White...

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In a previous article, conway1@muvms6.wvnet.edu () says:

>THE ONLY JOKE IS THAT YOU THINK PEOPLE MAY SOMEDAY TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY
>I'D TELL SOME RACIST SKINHEAD JOKES BUT I THINK ITS A REDUNDANT CONCEPT.
>
>
>
>LOOK MA, NO HAIR....
>
>

	

	Another case of CAPS-LOCK-ITIS...

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In a previous article, tholbroo@malibu.sfu.ca (Todd Holbrook) says:

>	I'm interested in knowing if the soundtrack of Romper Stomper
>is available and if so on what label.  Any one seen or heard of it?
>Please reply by email (tholbroo@sfu.ca). 
>

	Fuck that!  Reply to the Net, we want to know too!

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In a previous article, has_933073@debet.nhh.no () says:

>IMHO the film makes a strong statement against violence, by showing the
>destructive side of it. Fighting is only fun for so long (and if you
>overdo it you'll end up on the beach with a knife in your neck). The
>causal mechanism might be a bit shoddy, but what the heck.

	Don't I know it... (anyone who knows me can appreciate this little
witticism!!! ;)

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>>
>>Egypt part of the Persian Empire, etc. ad infinitum.  Funny how all these
>>Empires were White...
>
> Jason you ignorant bastard. Persians were not white people. They were
>Arabic. The modern day Iranians are the DIRECT decendants of the Persians.
>If you don't believe me look it up in the the history books.

	Hmm... I seem to recall a certain Alexander the Great, of Macedonian
fame, being king of all Persia...

	Next, you're going to tell me Cleopatra was black, when she had her
portrait preserved in sculpture...

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>>
>>Egypt part of the Persian Empire, etc. ad infinitum.  Funny how all these
>>Empires were White...
>
> Jason you ignorant bastard. Persians were not white people. They were
>Arabic. The modern day Iranians are the DIRECT decendants of the Persians.
>If you don't believe me look it up in the the history books.

	Furthermore, Iran, if you'd care to look it up, means 'Aryan', and
Mesopotamia (Iran/Iraq and environs) was the cradle of Indo-European civilisa-
tion.  It was also one of the oldest civilisations known to exist.  The modern
European races are descended from these Indo-Europeans, and not from Semitic
stock (which is what Arabs are, if you'd care to look it up).  All European
languages are derived from the Aryan linguistic branch, and thence from German-
ic languages.  Both French and English are Germanic languages, perverted
through the introduction of latin with the introduction of the Roman Empire,
who, incidentally, were White too...

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>
>

	They're Communists, you fool.
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In a previous article, slrzn@cc.usu.edu () says:

>I'm not sure of the leaders name, but the group is called, "The Black
>Panthers".  And they tend to make a lot of meeningless threats (so far at
>least).

	The Black Panthers have been around a *long* time.  Are you sure it's
them?

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In a previous article, bpharmon@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) says:

>        I'm giving your e-mail addr to McCarthy and the House unAmerican
>Activities Commitee as we speak....

	And I'm supposed to care, or feel intimidated by this?  I'm Canadian,
you dolt!  Even if I were American, better people tha you have tried to stop
me.  Do you know how many anti-racist/fascist/multi-cultural/anti-defamation
movements are out there?!

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References: <10APR199413414735@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu> <2nkj50$he0@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>      Actually, you dolts have been so rabid going after him that you haven't
>    considered what he is saying (regarding his labelling of his identity)
>    makes perfect sense.
>
>    Smith is saying he is a philosphical "Nationalist Socialist."  He
>    differentiates this from the particular implementation of National
>    Socialism which was tried in Germany in the 30s and 40s which he (and
>    we) labels as "Nazism."  He refers to those who want to emulate that
>    particular implentation once again in the modern day world as
>    "Neo-Nazis."
>
>    These are perfectly reasonable uses of the political labels.  These
>    labels parallel a modern Communist saying while he is a Communist, he
>    does not agree with everything Lenin or Stalin implemented when they
>    ran Communist States.

	Thank you.  Someone who can see through all the debris.  You're a
rare breed, sir, and although I'm sure we don't see eye to eye, I can respect
you at least.  I had quite given up trying to discuss this with people, as
they will undoubtedly believe what they want.  They'll probably even attack
you now for speaking on my behalf.  I had pointed this out to people on other
groups in the past, but to no avail.  People just see what they want to see.

	I am not a "Hollywood" nazi.  I don't goosestep.  I don't advocate
killing everyone who is 'impure.'  Hitler was a genius in his own right, 
but was by no means the be all and end all of National Socialism.  Most of
his ideas were borrowed.  There are many interpretations to every philosophy,
and NS is no exception.  Do all Communists see eye to eye?  No.  There are
left and right wing factions even within parties.  There are right-wing
Communists, who, while holding to the basic tenetes of Communism, are somewhat
reactionary in light of others who are more left of center.  Same goes for
all political parties and philosophies.  Everything is open to interpretation.
It is remarkable to note that when someone claims he is an International
Socialist, or a Marxist, or an outright Communist, nobody holds him responsable
for the deeds of his forebears.  Should someone profess to be a National
Socialist, however, he is immediately put into a niche, and is a Hitler
fanatic and is genocidal.  It just ain't so...

	Thanks again, 'nuff said.

	Jason Smith

>
>===========================================================================
>daniel david mittleman     -     danny@arizona.edu     -     (602) 621-2932
>
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In a previous article, kayoshk@unm.edu (Dave) says:

>In article ,
>Jason Smith  wrote:
>>
>>	And I'm supposed to care, or feel intimidated by this?  I'm Canadian,
>>you dolt!  Even if I were American, better people tha you have tried to stop
>>me.  Do you know how many anti-racist/fascist/multi-cultural/anti-defamation
>>movements are out there?!
>
>I hope there's not another "Friday the 13th" movie coming out of this:
>"Jason kills netters" (but only the ones who are black, jews, indians, and
>against his ideas).

	Funny, I don't seem to have said anything about killing anybody
in that post, or any other post, for that matter.  Everybody just assumes
that I'm genocidal.  You are another sad example of ignorance.

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References:  <2o3lgc$dk1@news.duke.edu>    Oh, so are you claiming French is closer to German than to Latin??? That's
>an interesting and somewhat novel idea... 
>  (What about Italian??)   

	I am in no way claiming that French is closer to German than Latin,
simply that it is a germanic language.  There was much migration and invasion
between the tribes of Europe.  The Normans (derived from 'North Men', a German
tribe after which is named Normandy, France today) influenced the English
language (named after the German tribe, the Angles), as did the Saxons (another
German tribe).  Old english is *very* similar to German.  This was also further
influenced by the natives of the British Isles, the Picts.  French language
(Named after the Franks, yet another German tribe!) was also similarly
influenced, as were the Gauls (yet another!).  Latin influenced some languages
more readily than others, dependent on the resiliency of the people, and the
degree of occupation/freedom given to the occupied peoples.


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References:   <1994Apr10.185621.24180@miavx1> Uh, Jason, McCarthy has been dead for years, and the House Committee
>doesn't exist anymore.  I think he was pulling your leg.

	So, I goofed.

>
>Another demonstration of the intellectual and historical intelligence
>(NOT) of the revisionists.

	A) I'm not a revisionist, nor am I qualified to be one, nor have I
ever claimed to be one.

	B) I'm still Canadian, and I certainly can't be familiar with the
intricacies of American History and its numerous witch-hunts.

	C) I goofed.

	D) Lighten up people

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>Jason Smith  wrote:
>>The Normans (derived from 'North Men', a German
>>tribe after which is named Normandy, France today)
>
>  German Tribe?! Well fuck you too asshole.

	More witty repartee from the peanut gallery... perhaps you would
prefer 'Germanic' tribe...  If you took the time to look it up, you'd see it
as being perfectly true.

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In a previous article, bernard@cs.bu.edu (marc lederman) says:

>You are all a bunch of fucking losers!!!!!!
>

	We have ourselves a winner!!!!!!!

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In a previous article, bernard@cs.bu.edu (marc lederman) says:

>You are all a bunch of fucking losers!!!!!!
>

	Incidentally, I'm really beginning to think E-mail bombing is a good
idea.  Every idiot that posts shit like this should have his mailbox clogged.
Then again, mine'd be full all the time! ;)

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In a previous article,  () says:

>God enough of the beer  comments already!!  Talk about beating a dead
>horse!!  Are you some high school girl who has just discovered drinking 
>beer or something?  Drinking beer is no big deal.  Get over it and grow
>up!!
>
>Liquidator
>

	This coming from someone who doesn't have the courage to provide a
name, or even a return E-mail address.  I fear I won't be the first to say
this, but Fuck you.  What do skinheads do?  Drink beer.  Listen to music while
drinking beer.  Go to gigs, and drink beer.  Drink beer and have sex.  Drink
beer and boot someone.  Then drink beer to put yourself to sleep.

	Have a beer, and shut your fucking hole.

	Cheers!
	Jason,
	Bonehead and beer drinker

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