Path: szdc2!super.zippo.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.60.253.107!news01a.micron.net!not-for-mail From: sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.correct Subject: Rudolf Report Smashes Holocaust "Gas Chamber" Lie: Part 3 Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:50:25 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 311 Message-ID: <5m6923$903$1@news01a.micron.net> References: <5m2rjm$o4j$1@news01a.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi023p11.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: szdc2 alt.revisionism:105934 alt.politics.correct:82989 The following is the next section of the "Rudolf Report," written by Germar Rudolf, a chemist and doctoral candidate at the Max Planck Society for Solid-State research in Stuttgart. The Rudolf Report supports in detail the findings of The Leuchter Report, which found that the "homicidal gas chambers" as alleged in the "holocaust" story never operated as such. To read the Rudolf Report in full: http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html In the following excerpt, some of the more flimsy claims of Pressac (one of the Holohoax's main proponents) are discussed and ruled out. 1944 Allied aerial photos of some of the alleged "gas chambers" are examined. These particular photos show "splotches" on the roof -- which the hoaxsters claim were the drop-pipes for Zyklon B. However, the splotches in the photo couldn't be that: they appear to have shadows to them which reveal them to be over 3-4 meters high (!), ten times wider than the size testified to, and the "shadows" in the photo aren't pointing in the right direction (oops!) Nor do the splotches" line up according to where they would have to be in order for the "gas chambes" to function as alleged. What a clusterf@!ck the hoaxsters have gotten themselves into! 1.3. 'Gas Chambers' in the Birkenau Camp 1.3.1. Crematoria II and III In size, equipment and manner of construction these crematoria are quite comparable with other facilities built at that time in the Reich, as well as with those of today [36]. This was pointed out at the trial against the architects of the cremation facilities in the Birkenau Camp. The court in 1972 acquitted the two defendants, master builder W. Dejaco and master builder F. Ertl, since the suspicion of being accessories to mass murder could not be substantiated [37]. A specially partitioned morgue with improved ventilation served then, as today in other places, as an area to keep the victims of epidemics (infection morgue). From Illustration 7 (p. [21]) the ground plan of Mortuaries I ("gas chamber") of Krema II and, corresponding in mirror image, of Krema III is to be inferred; Illustration 8 (p. [21]) shows the cross-section [38]. As is apparent in the cross-section, these morgues lie to a large degree under the ground. The elongated design of the morgues, their subterranean location, as well as the limited contact to the cremation rooms produces a uniformly cool temperature in these areas. This speaks for their planning as mortuaries, which they are designated as in the construction plans. Pressac endorses this interpretation. According to him the facilities are descended from an earlier plan for a new crematorium in the original camp from the year 1941 [39]. The access road to the crematorium in Birkenau lay on the side of the chimney section, in Illustration 7 above (p. 21]). This necessitated the moving of the entrance to both morgues from the original location in the plans for the original camp. Therefore, an entrance staircase to the offices of Mortuary III was created, as well as a staircase at the end of Mortuary II (not drawn in Illustration 7). As a result of the dramatically altered war situation after the defeat at Stalingrad in the winter of 1942/43, a corpse chute here, as was planned in place of the old stairs, apparently was abandoned on the grounds of expense. Possibly for the same reason, Krema III, which was begun later, was at many points economized [40], and also the material and qualitative shortcomings of Kremas IV and V may have led to their rapid breakdown (see next section). The old morgue exit envisioned for the planning stage of the original camp had already been completed beforehand, even though it was not used later on, since no direct entrance from the street was possible from there. That this staircase was built anyway speaks for an overhasty transposition of the old plans for the original camp to the new situation in Birkenau. The later constructed entrance staircase at the end of Mortuaries II of Kremas II and III is today interpreted in the sense that this had been the victims' entrance, especially since Mortuary II was supposed to have served as the undressing room for the victims. The designation of the premises as an undressing is not evidence of a criminal act, since all corpses would normally be stripped. The lack of a corpse chute at the companionway which was added later is, according to Pressac, additional proof for the conversion of the crematoria into human annihilation rooms, since corpses cannot climb stairs [41]. An answer to the question of how the corpses got from their places of death, e.g. in the sick camp, to the crematorium chute and from the end of the chute to their storage areas or to the ovens Pressac does not have. But, obviously, the corpses can be carried on a stretcher, and even down a staircase with a few steps. The floor and ceiling of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") are ferro-concrete. Since the technology of installing electrical outlets was still very immature then, conically shaped pieces of wood were inserted on the underside of the concrete, which later served as places to insert, for example, wires and lamps. Pressac interprets these pieces of wood as insertion places for dummy showerheads, which were supposed to have been installed in Mortuary I in order to deceive the victims into thinking that it was a shower room [42]. The walls are made from double brick masonry with an intervening layer of tar for insulation [40]. The inner walls are plastered with a hard, cement rich material; the ferro-concrete ceiling and the support pillars show the grain of the framework, and therefore are not plastered. The layer of tar between the brick walls seems to be imperative as a water barrier due to the high ground water level in the swampy area of Birkenau. Both mortuaries contained multiple drains. From a document it can be inferred that air tight doors of the size 100x192 cm were ordered for the Mortuaries I ("gas chamber") of Kremas II and III [43]. On the plan submitted, and thus on the final plan of Krema II, the door size, as on all previous plans, is marked as 190x200 cm[44]. Even today it would have to be possible to determine from the ruins whether the door was possibly built narrower and if the door frames still exist. In any case excavations are required for this. In the cross-section drawing of Mortuary I, air intake shafts are visible both at the top and at the bottom on the walls, which according to Pressac were installed as ventilation shafts for mortuaries [45]. In the ground plan one can recognize on the left and right the course of shafts running to and from the main shaft. Therefore, the lower shaft was used for ventilating from the room. This is also supposed to have been retained for the alleged later gassings. All rooms in the rooms of Kremas II and III are, according to Pressac, supposed to have had a similar capacity for ventilation from the room, as well as the oven room [46], but only Mortuary I ("gas chamber") possessed an air intake. Pressac explains for all rooms the power of the pump motors which he allegedly has inferred from the site office of the camp. A 3.5 horsepower electric motor (2.5 Kilowatt) is supposed to have served for Mortuary I ("gas chamber"). Of course, the motor strength indicates only in a small way the capacity of the ventilation [47]. The outflow openings the air intake shaft of Mortuaries I ("gas chambers") with the dimension 5 x10 cm (50 count in Krema II, 95 in Krema III) were covered with screens, each with around 110 holes of approximately 3.5 mm diameter [48]. A radiator, even though allegedly considered in the meantime, had never been present. Pressac interprets this interim consideration of the installation of a radiator as proof for the existence of gas chambers, since morgues would not have to be heated. He ignores the circumstance that in every crematorium the bodies are protected against frost. In a proper operation of this facility, the morgues would at least have to be heated during the winter. At the same time, he interprets the removal of the exposed plumbing in Mortuary I ("gas chamber") as referring to the "gas chamber", since the victims could have torn out the exposed pipe. The simpler noncriminal explanation that the plumbing, which could freeze in the winter since there was no heat, had to be shut down to avoid risking a water-pipe rupture also presents itself [49]. There are also supposed to have been hatches in the roof here for the introduction of Zyklon-B. Pressac shows some outside shots of the crematoria from that time, in which the insertion points are supposed to be recognizable [50]. In the photo of Krema II, moreover, only three shadowy reflections interpreted as pipes are recognizable. In accordance with this, the pipes, standing vertically in a row, are approximately 50 cm high and no wider than 30 cm. In the photo of Krema III nothing is recognizable, even though the quality of the photo is quite good. (It should be pointed out that it is very easy to alter any photo with traditional retouching techniques. Photos, therefore, possess questionable evidential value.) According to the testimony of former inmate M. Kula, the insertion points were supposed to have been hollow columns with a square base, 70 mm on a side, fabricated in the central workshop which distributed the Zyklon-B preparation evenly among the tightly packed people on the floor of the morgue by means of an unknown mechanism[51]. There is no documentary reference for these columns. According to Pressac's interpretation, four, not further defined, "wire net insertion devices" served as removable wire insets in the hollow columns of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") described by Kula. However, these "wire net insertion devices" were only entered later by hand in the inventory of Mortuary II of Krema II. By means of these nets the Zyklon-B is supposed to have been released into the chamber and drawn out again after completion [52]. Pressac shows a drawing of the insertion column, whereby, without explanation, he cites the length of a side as 70 cm instead of 70 mm, and therefore ten times greater than Kula [48]. But these wire net insertion devices could also have served simply to insert the corpses into the cremation ovens. In the case of their use as Zyklon-B nets, they would have more \likely been called inlet wire nets [TRANS. note: the German term is "Einla_drahtnetze", a phonically much more manageable term]. Illustration 9 shows an enlarged section of an Allied aerial photo of the Birkenau camp on 25 August 1944 [53]. On the cross-section, the roof of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema II, one can clearly recognize shadows (arrows). A stereoscopic evaluation of this aerial photo reveals that the dark splotches in Illustration 9 cannot be elevations [54]. If the Zyklon-B insertion columns actually had the 70 mm base length described by the witness, then that cannot be reconciled with either the large, approximately 2 to 3 m2 in area splotches in the aerial photo, nor with the size of the roughly 60 to 80 cm wide punctures on the spot. Besides, they would hardly be visible due to the insufficient resolution of this aerial photo. It should be pointed out that the chimneys of the inmate barracks, as well as the tall crematorium chimneys cast sharply contrasted, symmetrical, straight shadows. The alleged insertion points of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema II and Krema III form a regular, easily measured angle of approximately 75 degrees to the alignment of the main section of Krema II (see the schematic drawing, Illustration 10, p. [23]). But in reality these shadows would have to have the same alignment as the shadows of the cremation chimney of Krema II, of one of the chimneys of the inmate barracks, as well as other sharply prominent parts in the picture. These, in contrast to the splotches above, form a 45 degree angle to the main direction of Kremas II and III (see Illustration 10). It is known that the cremation chimneys were 15 meters high [38]. In the picture it casts a shadow which is five times as long as the splotches on the roof of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema III (length of the chimney shadow 20 meters; therefore the position of the sun is 37 degrees; length of the splotches on Mortuary I ["gas chamber"]of Krema III: roughly 4 meters.) That can mean nothing other than that the insertion pipes belonging to Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema III must have towered 3 meters over its roof, which can be ruled out. The false shadow cannot be explained by overly long pipes or 4 meter long vents, just as the size of the pipes does not fit the size of the pipes allegedly depicted in Pressac's picture [50]. In a shot from 13 September 1944, three weeks later, these splotches are likewise recognizable, even if considerably weaker due to the smoke buildup of the bombing. The splotches on the roof of Mortuary I of Krema III point in the same direction as those in the photo of 25 August 1944, despite a completely different position of the sun [54]. Of interest is an available undated photo from the winter of 1944/45 taken during the dismantling of Kremas II and III, whose main section roofs are already covered over, but before the demolition of Krema V (allegedly in January 1945) [55]. In this photo the [freiliegenden] oven room holes of Kremas II and III are not recognizable. Therefore, holes in the roofs of the morgues of both facilities likewise might not have been visible in the same magnitude. In the case of a shadow-casting elevation by approximately 50 cm to 1 meter high pipes, however, something would have to be visible in the aerial photos with higher resolution (25 August 1944, 13 September 1944), since the recognizable smokestacks of the inmate barracks are dimensioned as similarly as the holes in the ceiling of Mortuary I of Krema II which can be found today. Accordingly, the splotches arising from these pipes would have to possess a comparable size. If one is to rule out the thesis that the aerial photos were falsified by retouching, one must assume, with regard to the splotches located on the roofs of the Mortuaries I, that they were objects of unknown origin, at most a few decimeters in width and breadth and three to four meters in height. On the basis of their size and position, they can be neither pipes nor holes. They would have to be ascribed to the generally blotchy, possibly overgrown, earthen covering of the mortuaries. According to Pressac, moreover, the position of the holes which can be found today in the roofs of Mortuaries I ("gas chambers") do not correspond with the position in the aerial photos, which he explains by the warpings of the roof after the demolition of the building by the SS in the winter of 1945 [56]. Since it is established with certainty that the objects in the aerial photos are not insertion holes, the varied position is not really surprising. The longstanding, false interpretation of the splotches in the aerial photos has resulted in the acceptance, without plausible explanation, of a linear arrangement of the insertion columns for Mortuary I of Krema II, but for Krema III an alternating, staggered arrangement. The staggered arrangement of the columns in the case of Krema III would contradict the argument usually brought forward that the columns were camouflaged by being aligned with the concrete support pillars so that the entering victims were not suspicious. But actually, the insertion holes could not have been bored in alignment with the support columns, since the ferro-concrete girder visible in Illustration 7 (p. [21]) would have to have been destroyed. An arrangement of the holes staggered around the supporting columns would therefore have been absolutely necessary. And with that it is proved for the shadows on the roof of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema II that there could not have been insertion points. http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball) http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html Brian Smith http://www.natall.com "A civilization which tolerates the existence of Kaplan and his filthy business should be burned to the ground." I said. "We should make a bonfire of the whole thing and then start over fresh " _The Turner Diaries_. p. 85 >-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- \|/ Towards a New Consciousness. \|/ | A New Future. | A New People. >.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Path: szdc2!super.zippo.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!rbi141.rbi.com!user From: mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.correct Subject: Re: Rudolf Report Smashes Holocaust "Gas Chamber" Lie: Part 3 Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:26:26 -0700 Organization: rbi software systems Lines: 460 Message-ID:References: <5m2rjm$o4j$1@news01a.micron.net> <5m6923$903$1@news01a.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbi141.rbi.com X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: szdc2 alt.revisionism:106022 alt.politics.correct:82992 In article <5m6923$903$1@news01a.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote: > The following is the next section of the "Rudolf Report," written by > Germar Rudolf, a chemist and doctoral candidate at the Max Planck > Society for Solid-State research in Stuttgart. The Rudolf Report > supports in detail the findings of The Leuchter Report, which found > that the "homicidal gas chambers" as alleged in the "holocaust" story > never operated as such. > > To read the Rudolf Report in full: > > http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html I would like to note that the footnotes cited in Rudolf's denier tract cited by Mr. Smith and located on CODOH's site are not, as far as I can tell, included in the document. Nor was the link to the German version of this document available on the Zundelsite. Therefore, at this time, _all_ supporting sources cited are unsubstantiated and Rudolf's argument's thereby are unsupported. Perhaps this will be fixed? > In the following excerpt, some of the more flimsy claims of Pressac > (one of the Holohoax's main proponents) are discussed and ruled out. > > > 1944 Allied aerial photos of some of the alleged "gas chambers" are > examined. These particular photos show "splotches" on the roof -- > which the hoaxsters claim were the drop-pipes for Zyklon B. However, > the splotches in the photo couldn't be that: they appear to have > shadows to them which reveal them to be over 3-4 meters high (!), ten > times wider than the size testified to, and the "shadows" in the photo > aren't pointing in the right direction (oops!) Nor do the splotches" > line up according to where they would have to be in order for the "gas > chambes" to function as alleged. Would Mr. Smith care to cite the air photo interpreter who came to this conclusion? I ask because according to Michael Shermer: Thanks to Dr. Nevin Bryant, supervisor of cartographic applications and image processing applications at Caltech/NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, I was able to get the CIA photographs properly analyzed by people who know what they are looking at from the air. Nevin and I analyzed the photographs using digital enhancements techniques not available to the CIA in 1979. We were able to prove that the photographs had not been tampered with, and we indeed found evidence of extermination activity. The aeirial photographs were shot in sequence as the plane flew over the camp (on a bombing run toward its ultimate target - the IG Farben Industrial works). Since the photographs of the camp were taken a few seconds apart, stereoscopic viewing of two consecutive photographs show movement of people and vehicles and provides better depth perception. The airiel photograph in figure 23 [1] shows the distinctive features of Krema II. Note the long shadow from the crematorium chimney and, on the roof of the adjacent gas chamber at right angles to the crematorium building, note the four staggered shadows. Ball claims these shadows were drawn in, but four small structures that match the shadows are visible on the roof of the gas chamber in figure 24 [2] taken by an SS photographer of the back of Krema II (if you look directly below the chimney of krema II, you will see two sides of the rectangular underground gas chamber structure protruding a few feet above the ground.) The photgraphic evidence converges quite nicely with eyewitness accounts describing SS men pouring Zyklon-B pellets through the opening in the roof of the gas chamber. the aerial photograph in figure 25 [3] shows a group of prisoners being marched to Krema V for gassing. The gas chamber is at the end of the building, and the crematorium has double chimneys. From the camp's daily logs, it is clear that these are Hungarian Jews from an RSHA transport, some of whom where selected for work and the rest sent for extermination. (Additional photographs and detailed discussion appear in Shermer and Grobman 1977.) Source: Shermer, _Why People Believe Weird Things: pseudoscience, superstition, and other confusions of our time_, pp.233-234,235. 1. KL Au II, August 25, 1944, RG 373 Can F 5367. (Probably exposures 3185, 3186.) 2. PMO neg no. 20995/494, Kamman series. (Circa February 9-11, 1943). See: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/insertion-columns-commentary http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/insertion-columns.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/documents/pressac/insertion-columns-detail.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/photos.01 3. KL Au II, May 31, 1944, RG 373 Can D 1508. (Probably exposures 3055 and ?) > What a clusterf@!ck the hoaxsters > have gotten themselves into! Rather, it appear that it is Mr. Smith (as usual) who has gotten himself into a "menage a' cluster!" > 1.3. 'Gas Chambers' in the Birkenau Camp > > 1.3.1. Crematoria II and III > > In size, equipment and manner of construction these crematoria are > quite comparable with other facilities built at that time in the > Reich, as well as with those of today [36]. Not true. Take the Topf incineration furnaces used at Auschitz for example. According to van Pelt: ...As Pressac described, Pru"fer's firm had been able to corner the concentration camp market for incinerators by offering stripped-down version of civilian furnaces. The Topf model lacked the cumbersome economizer, which saved fuel but was very expensive to construct. A further savings had been obtained by grouping two muffles (the space that held the coffin or body) in one furnace- a practice that was legally forbidden in cicilian incinerators, as it removed from the cremation a sense of "privacy" appropriate to the occasion. In the concentration camp environment such niceties did not matter; Pru"fer realized this early on and used his insight to double the furnace's capacity for the same price. Pru"fer suggested to Bischoff that he could create another 50 percent increase in capacity through a combination of three incineration muffles in a single furnace.... Source: Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.139. Cf. Ibid., pp.183-186. > This was pointed out at the trial against the architects of the cremation > facilities in the Birkenau Camp. The court in 1972 acquitted the two > defendants, master builder W. Dejaco and master builder F. Ertl, since the > suspicion of being accessories to mass murder could not be substantiated > [37]. The reason that the case against Dejaco and Ertl was dismissed was due to technical incompetance in correctly evaluating the documentary evidence, specifically incriminating Bauleitung construction drawings of Krema IIthat indicated Krema II was modified for the purpose of mass murder. According to Pressac: Keeping the [corpse] chute meant that if necessary the Krematorium [II] could easily return to being a < > facility. By eliminating it completely, Dejaco clearly revealed that the role of the building was nop longer to cremate people dying in the camp, but to cremate people dying on the spot. During the trial of Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, considered to tbe the < >, a trial was held before the Vienna Assize Court from 18th January to 10th March 1972, drawing 2003, which formally accuses Dejaco, could have led to his being found guilty (Dejaco alone). The main Bauleitung drawings of Krematorium II (932, 933, 936, 980, 1301, 1311, 1173-1174 and 2197) were furnished to the court by an envoy from the Warsaw-based Central Commision for research into Hitlerian crimes in Poland, Mr. Stanislaw Kaniewski at the 25th session on 1st March 1972, but they were studied for only one hour (between 11 and 12 o'clock), during which time there was much quibbling about the size of the pillars supporting the Leichenkeller roofs, which one witness claimed were hollow. Drawing 2003, drawn by the hand of Dejaco himself, was not even cited as such. The designated expert, incapable of understanding these drawings virtually admitted defeat. There was no correct and detailed exploitation of this valuable historical material. Needless to say, the case against the two was dismissed for lack of evidence. Source: Pressac, _Technique_, p.303. [snip] > As is apparent in the cross-section, these morgues lie to a large > degree under the ground. The elongated design of the morgues, their > subterranean location, as well as the limited contact to the cremation > rooms produces a uniformly cool temperature in these areas. This > speaks for their planning as mortuaries, which they are designated as > in the construction plans. And yet according to Pressac: Another last-minute problem arose because of defective arrangement of the three forced drafts around the smokestack. The transfer heat from the smokestack ventilation system was so to increase the temperature in all the rooms serviced by the syste. Pru"fer had pointed out this drawback on February 19 and had suggested channeling the excess heat to morgue 1 - a suggestion that claerly reveals that the morgue, which must by definition remain cool, had become a gas chamber. Heating the morgue would ensure more rapid diffusion of Zyklon B. The plan was immediately accepted by the SS, and on February 22, Topf sent to Auschwitz a cast-iron blower with an extractive power of 9,000 to 10,000 cu m an hour, priced at 522 RM (1992: $2,100). A relatively minor item that had not yet been made was a metal connecting pipe, in the shape of a tridentm, to be placed in the loft between the ceilings of the rooms with forced draft and the blower, which fed into the smokestack used to evacuate the gs from the gas chamber. A sliding damper inthe smokestack allowed control of the flow of air. Closed and with activated blower, the flow of hot air would go to the gs chamber and preheat it. Open, it would allow for the extraction of the toxic gas. The order for the connecting pipe was officially approved on March 6 at a price of 1,070 RM . It was to be manufactured within the week. Source: Gutman, _Anatomy_, pp.231-232. > Pressac endorses this interpretation. According to him the facilities > are descended from an earlier plan for a new crematorium in the > original camp from the year 1941 [39]. This is quite specious of Mr. Smith. (Or should I say of Germar Rudolf?) Pressac _clearly_ indicates, for example, that the ventilation system which serviced L.Keller 1 was modified so as to be able to _preheat_ the gas chamber to channeling hot air into it! (See immediately above.) Clearly, as Mr. Smith argues that morgues are to be kept cool, and that L.Keller 1 was to be capable of being preheated (to expidite the vaporization of HCN from Zyklon B), L.Keller 1 was not a morgue but a homicidal gas chamber! [snip] > As a result of the dramatically altered war situation after the defeat > at Stalingrad in the winter of 1942/43, a corpse chute here, as was > planned in place of the old stairs, apparently was abandoned on the > grounds of expense. Would Mr. Smith please cite the specific source(s) for this conclusion that the corpse chute was "abandoned on the grounds of expense"? According to Pressac, the corpse chute in Krema II was _built_ and then after Dejaco had modified the plans, "the top of the chute was demolished, and its outlet was masked by a wooden partition." (cf. Gutman, _Anatomy_, pp.223-224.) [snip] > That this staircase was built anyway speaks for an overhasty > transposition of the old plans for the original camp to the new > situation in Birkenau. Would Mr. Smith care to expand on this claim? > The later constructed entrance staircase at the > end of Mortuaries II of Kremas II and III is today interpreted in the > sense that this had been the victims' entrance, especially since > Mortuary II was supposed to have served as the undressing room for the > victims. The designation of the premises as an undressing is not > evidence of a criminal act, since all corpses would normally be > stripped. The lack of a corpse chute at the companionway which was > added later is, according to Pressac, additional proof for the > conversion of the crematoria into human annihilation rooms, since > corpses cannot climb stairs [41]. Indeed. > An answer to the question of how the corpses got from their places of > death, e.g. in the sick camp, to the crematorium chute and from the > end of the chute to their storage areas or to the ovens Pressac does > not have. Perhaps because the answer is self-evident: a wagon. One can see an example of this on pages 132-133 of _Auschwitz: a history in photographs_, which show as wagon filled with corpses being transported at Birkenau. > But, obviously, the corpses can be carried on a stretcher, > and even down a staircase with a few steps. Is Mr. Smith seriously arguing that it makes more sense to take the corpses off a wagon and load them on strechers and carry then down stairs than to simply back the wagon next to the corpse chute and slide them down? And why does Mr. Smith ognore the eyewitness accounts that clearly explain that the victims walked down the stairs into the undressing room? > The floor and ceiling of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") are > ferro-concrete. Since the technology of installing electrical outlets > was still very immature then, conically shaped pieces of wood were > inserted on the underside of the concrete, which later served as > places to insert, for example, wires and lamps. Pressac interprets > these pieces of wood as insertion places for dummy showerheads, > which were supposed to have been installed in Mortuary I in order to > deceive the victims into thinking that it was a shower room [42]. If Mr. Smith were to have carefully studied Bauleitung drawing 2197(b)(r), he would have noticed that the lights for L.Keller 1 ran along the centrline of the ceiling of the gas chamber (i.e. between the supporting pillars on each side of the support beam). The dummy showerheads were placed well off-center on the east side of the ceiling of the gas chamber. Additionally, the inventory list to the handover document for Krema III lists "14 Brausen" (14 [dummy] showers). (cf. Pressac, _Technique_, pp.310,312,353,439.) And again, why does Mr. Smith ignore eyewitness testimony that clearly says that the homicidal gas chamber contained dummy showerheads to fool the vicitms into thinking that it was a showeroom? > The walls are made from double brick masonry with an intervening > layer of tar for insulation [40]. The inner walls are plastered with a > hard, cement rich material; the ferro-concrete ceiling and the support > pillars show the grain of the framework, and therefore are not > plastered. The layer of tar between the brick walls seems to be > imperative as a water barrier due to the high ground water level in > the swampy area of Birkenau. Both mortuaries contained multiple > drains. Could Mr. Smith please explain why the drainage system, according to Bauleitung drawing 1300, was modified to indicate that the drains in L.Keller 1 were disconnected from the rest of Krema II? What possible reason (other than to prevent possible residual HCN emitted from Zkylon B pellets accidently washed down the drain from backflushing into the Krema) would have been for this if L.Keller 1 and 2 were both morgues? Why wouldn't L.Keller 2 _also_ have been disconnected as well? (cf. Pressac, _Technique_, pp.296-297.) [snip] > A radiator, even though allegedly considered in the meantime, had > never been present. Would Mr. Smith please provide a citation that indicates that _radiators_ were to be installed in Kremas II and III to _heat_ their morgues? Pressac indicates that the ventilation system was modified to channel hot air from the forced drafts to L.Keller 1. (And please explain why, in this light, you are now evidently contradicting your previous claim above that the morgues had to be kept cool.) > Pressac interprets this interim consideration of > the installation of a radiator as proof for the existence of gas > chambers, since morgues would not have to be heated. He ignores the > circumstance that in every crematorium the bodies are protected against > frost. In a proper operation of this facility, the morgues would at > least have to be heated during the winter. Would Mr. Smith please provide citations that indicate morgues in _every_ crematorium are heated to protect bodies from frost? Would Mr. Smith please explain _why_ corpses have to be protected from frost in an undergrounf morgue? > At the same time, he interprets the removal of the exposed plumbing in > Mortuary I ("gas chamber") as referring to the "gas chamber", since > the victims could have torn out the exposed pipe. The simpler > noncriminal explanation that the plumbing, which could freeze in the > winter since there was no heat, had to be shut down to avoid risking a > water-pipe rupture also presents itself [49]. WHy them was not the "plumbing" in L.Keller 2, for example, _also_ "shut down"? Whhy does Mr. Smith continue to ignore eyewitness testimony that says the showerheads and their waterpipes were dummies? Why does Mr. Smith also ignore eyewitness testimonies that indicate that the gas chamber was washed down after each gassing by running a hose in the vestibule outside? Would this water supply _also_ not have to be "shut down" as well? > There are also supposed to have been hatches in the roof here for the > introduction of Zyklon-B. Pressac shows some outside shots of the > crematoria from that time, in which the insertion points are supposed > to be recognizable [50]. In the photo of Krema II, moreover, only > three shadowy reflections interpreted as pipes are recognizable. In > accordance with this, the pipes, standing vertically in a row, are > approximately 50 cm high and no wider than 30 cm. > > In the photo of Krema III nothing is recognizable, even though the > quality of the photo is quite good. (It should be pointed out that it > is very easy to alter any photo with traditional retouching > techniques. Photos, therefore, possess questionable evidential value.) [The issue of photographs of the Zyklon B introduction vents, and their confirmation by JPL, has been treated above.] > According to the testimony of former inmate M. Kula, the insertion > points were supposed to have been hollow columns with a square base, > 70 mm on a side, fabricated in the central workshop which distributed > the Zyklon-B preparation evenly among the tightly packed people on the > floor of the morgue by means of an unknown mechanism[51]. There is no > documentary reference for these columns. According to Pressac's > interpretation, four, not further defined, "wire net insertion > devices" served as removable wire insets in the hollow columns of > Mortuary I ("gas chamber") described by Kula. However, these "wire net > insertion devices" were only entered later by hand in the inventory of > Mortuary II of Krema II. First Mr. Smith says there is no documentary reference" for the Zyklon B introduction columns and then he immediately cites the Zyklon B introduction columns as being on the inventory list of the handover document for Krema III? Hello! And, of course, why does Mr. Smith ignore the eyewitness testimonies in addition Kulka that describes these Zyklon B intoduction columns- and their homicidal purpose -in Krema II? > By means of these nets the Zyklon-B is supposed to have been released > into the chamber and drawn out again after completion [52]. Pressac > shows a drawing of the insertion column, whereby, without explanation, > he cites the length of a side as 70 cm instead of 70 mm, and therefore > ten times greater than Kula [48]. Eh? Did not Mr. Smith, just above, say the Zyklon B introduction columns were "supposed to have been hollow columns with a square base, 70 mm on a side?" That is the very same dimension that Pressac shows in Kulka's sketch. (cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.487.) Hello! > But these wire net insertion devices could also have served simply to insert > the corpses into the cremation ovens. Oh, please. A metal corpse stretcher (Leichenbreet [corpse board]) was used for to insert corpses intot the furnace. See Tauber's testimony and Oleres's 1945 drawing of this. (cf. Pressac, _Technique_, pp.495,496.) [stupid semantic tap dancing snipped] > Illustration 9 shows an enlarged section of an Allied aerial photo > of the Birkenau camp on 25 August 1944 [53]. On the cross-section, the > roof of Mortuary I ("gas chamber") of Krema II, one can clearly > recognize shadows (arrows). A stereoscopic evaluation of this aerial > photo reveals that the dark splotches in Illustration 9 cannot be > elevations [54]. If the Zyklon-B insertion columns actually had the > 70 mm base length described by the witness, then that cannot be > reconciled with either the large, approximately 2 to 3 m2 in area > splotches in the aerial photo, nor with the size of the roughly 60 to > 80 cm wide punctures on the spot. [The issue of photographs of the Zyklon B introduction vents, and their confirmation by JPL, has been treated above.] > Besides, they would hardly be visible due to the insufficient > resolution of this aerial photo. It should be pointed out that the > chimneys of the inmate barracks, as well as the tall crematorium > chimneys cast sharply contrasted, symmetrical, straight shadows. [The issue of photographs of the Zyklon B introduction vents, and their confirmation by JPL, has been treated above.] [air photo tap dancing snipped] For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Mr. Smith's rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, lies, and utter hypocrisy -and that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a sewer mouth) please peruse DejaNews and visit the Nizkor Project at: http://www.dejanews.com/ http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/smith.brian.r http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/stele.kurt Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but right through every human heart--and all human hearts." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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