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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:46:51 +0000, in ,
andrew brady  wrote:

Mr. Brady, perhaps you are unaware that ...

>In article , Daniel Keren
> writes
>>[Followup = alt.revisionism]
>>
>>jimmy@jaimie.mcc (jimmy) [lying Nazi coward afraid to post
>>under his own name] writes:

Dr. Keren is referring to an individual, one Matt Giwer, whose many
thousands of posts to this newsgroup have earned him this sobriquet.
But don't take my word for it, do a search on Matt Giwer at Deja News 

http://www. dejanews.com

or peruse at your leisure the evidence we have archived on Nizkor

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt

>># But nothing approaching any such number of mass graves
>># has ever been found.
>>
>>Let's start with these. Just some photographs of what
>>your Nazi heroes have done.
>
>        Do you lable everbody that disagrees with you a Nazi?
>        Is that not what a potential facist would do?
>        Are you willing to learn the lesson from this very sad event
>(the holocaust)? - That the hate must stop! 

Indeed the hate must stop.  In this particular instance, Dr. Keren,
uses the phrase "your Nazi heroes" in speaking to the prolifically
boorish troll.  Speaking solely for myself, I do not "hate" Giwer.  I
find him to be a  pathetically dishonest failure who has proved
himself to be beneath contempt  - and who has a strong need to
continue flaunting his many failures in life.

But it would seem that those who mistakenly call themselves
"revisionists," are bound and determined in their efforts to  plant in
the minds of those who - through no fault of their own - know no
better, a seed of doubt.  

Notwithstanding the mountain of evidence  - which they choose to
ignore or distort -  that those events which have come to be known as
the Holocaust, _did_ occur (with little - if any - opposition from the
civilized democratic world at the time) these "revisionists"
promulgate their hate-filled agenda.  

Strange that by their deafening silence it would seem that those who
masquerade as "seekers of truth and voices of reason"  find Giwer to
be the best representative they've got in this newsgroup.

Very sad, isn't it, Mr. Brady?

Posted/e-mailed to Mr. Brady and Dr. Keren

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:45 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Twelve Questions Matt Giwer won't Answer (Month 11)
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On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 07:41:11 GMT, in ,
dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>mgiwer@gte.net [whose visage makes his claim to be a leprechaun beyond ludicrous] posting as Leprechan@is.back (PJO)  writes:
>
># Nice dodge but very foolish.  Please explain the following...
>#
># On my way back to Toronto, I was told by one of my office
># associates that Harry Abrams, the Jewish hyper-activist of B'nai
># Brith, Victoria, had sent a threatening type e-mail, demanding
># that, in the future, if I wanted to reach Ken McVay, I should
># only contact him (!) or the R.C.M.P. (!!)
>
>Let's be very careful here. This was written, as I recall, by
>the world's "most well-known revisionist", Ernst Zundel, right?

And let's also consider that this miserable failure of a man (i.e.the
Giwer-troll) is so dim-witted that despite his "163 I.Q." he is
addressing his request for explanation to the wrong party!

As he has stated so many, many times "he who asserts must prove"!  His
request for explanation would be more productively addressed if sent
to Zundel (although Giwer - in his state of perpetual oversight -
seems to have omitted the fact that it was Ernst "please take my
picture or at lest sue me"  [tm] Zundel who made this statement!)

Why on earth should Mr. McVay - or even Mr. Abrams - be expected to
"explain" one of Zundel's statements?!

I have on occasion attempted to translate Giwerundese (but I have to
confess that I am Giwer-comprehension-challenged) and I realize now
that I was obviously very much mistaken in giving him the benefit of
the assumption that there might be some thought behind his keyboard
spewings (or method to his madness!)

But then again, Zundel's mouthpiece (aka Ingrid Rimland) seems to hold
Giwer in high esteem.

>But Zundel also claims that the Nazi leadership built "secret
>UFO's", and used them to fly into the inner earth.
>
>The poor, crazy fellow actually claimed that he met some of
>the "German scientists" who planned and built these "UFO's"...
>
>See 
>
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/
>
>for more details, as well as scans of fliers authored by Zundel.
>Truly amusing stuff. He even has a photograph allegedly taken
>inside a "German UFO control bunker" (!!).
>
>So, let's be careful when evaluating what this madman says, ok?

And I would add to that (in the words of the immortal hero of "Hill
Steet Blues" )  " Let's be real careful out there, people*"

[* guys, foks ... whatever he said!]

Posted/e-mailed to Dr. Keren

hro

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:46 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Chief French Rabbi on War & Christians
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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:33:23 GMT, in
<329b7e26.1722777@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter)
wrote:

>On 24 Nov 1996 20:45:53 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>
>>	That is, of course, one way of checking the accuracy a typical 
>>"revisionist" forgery.  Another way is find out whether the person even existed.  
>>Putatively the comment was made by the "Cheif Rabbi" of France in 1859.  That 
>>office was abolished after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815.  It was 
>>not reinstated until the time of the Second Republic after the Franc-Prussian War in 
>>1870-1871.  There was no "Chief Rabbi" during the rule Napoleon III.
>>	
>>	--YFE
>Will get back to you on this matter.

Ah!  The famous last words!  How many times have we heard this
response in the face of refutation?!  And how many times has the
writer of such words ever followed through?!

hro

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:47 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Chief French Rabbi on War & Christians
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On 29 Nov 1996 22:20:17 GMT, in <57nnj1$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>>  ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:
>>  
>>  >>In 1996, in the United States, Chris Carpenter said:
>>  >>
>>  >>"I am a lying antisemitic Nazi-wannabe. I despise Jesus Christ
>>  >>but find the pathetically stupid Christian Identity movement a
>>  >>useful tool in disseminating my lies. I only wish the Holocaust
>>  >>had succeeded 100%."
>>  >>
>>  >>Either admit this statement or prove you did not say it.
>>  >Everyone knows that I would not say that.
>>  
>>  Nonsense. I for one know no such thing. I know that I in fact 
>>  made up those particular words, but so far, the evidence on the
>>  table that you said them is exactly as good as the evidence 
>>  that your alleged Chief Rabbi in France said the words you 
>>  attribute to him. You said that you had a source for those words,
>>  and evidence that he said them, but you haven't shown either, so
>>  I find it reasonable to suppose that, at best, you partake of much
>>  of what I attributed to you, to wit, that you are a lying antisemite.
>>  
>>>>>
>Miss Flower, go have some tea and biscuits and play a little
>bridge-it is much better suited to your limited capabilities.-rb

TRANSLATION:  I, Mr/Ms Belling, hereby acknowledge that Mr. Power is
entirely correct - but I'm too much of a coward to say so openly.

hro

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:48 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Forgery (Re: We Jews regard our race as superior . . . .)
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On 29 Nov 1996 18:28:00 GMT, in <57n9vg$3ed@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  
>>  >Why don't you simply PROVE that this
>>  >quote is a forgery and put an end to this
>>  >guy's insolence once and for all?  We are
>>  >waiting.....
>>  
>>  As I pointed out (or tried, without much success) to Chris Carpenter a
>>  while back, there is no way to prove positively that someone *didn't* say
>>  or write something. That is why it is up to the person attributing the
>>  words to demonstrate that there is grounds for the attribution. However, 
>>  when asked for a source, the best this moron can do is refer back to the
>>  web page from which he gleaned the quote (for all I know, having made it
>>  up and placed it there himself). This is Matt Giwer scholarship. I could
>>  put together a web page myself featuring Adolf Hitler's long-awaited
>>  specific order to set up the gas chambers of Oswiecim, and you'd have no
>>  way to *disprove* that it was authentic.
>>  
>>  An intelligent little girl should have been able to figure these things
>>  out for herself, Jane. (BTW, did your post in that other conference
>>  garner any responses from cute teenage boys?)
>>  
>>>>>
>Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?  Of course not.

Do you have any idea of how cowardly you sound, Mr/Ms
Belling/Blackmore?



Subject:      look and you shall see...
From:         rblackmore@juno.com
Date:         1996/07/29
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hello ? antone out there 12-14 e-mail me . i am thirteen and ... well
if you e-mail me at jbelling@sprynet.com 

you can find out more about me i am a female.



Of course you do.

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On 25 Nov 1996 03:16:31 GMT, in <57b32f$fme$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>,
gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <579tnb$cof@bell.maths.tcd.ie> - dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>writes:
>:>
>:>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>:>
>:>Matt Giwer, posting as jimmy@jaimie.mcc (jimmy) writes:
>:>
>[deleted]
>
>:>	OK, what about all your bluster about lawsuits against Nizkor? You
>:>didn't follow them up, so it looks like you don't have any huevos, grandes or
>:>not.
>
>Derek, that's just the start.  The criminal drunken Hitlerhugger Giwer was
>going to sue me too.  He was going to sue everybody.  Instead, he just crawled
>back into the bottle.

Chalk up another failure for the Giwer-troll, eh?!  Gee, what number
do you reckon this one is, Gord?  I stopped counting at 11,163.  Gotta
hand it to him though, he does excel at failure - and is very
consistent to boot!!

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:49 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: A Troll Confessesion:  "I know nothing ..."
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On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 15:05:26 GMT, in <32a04153.68336421@news.gte.net>,
Matt Giwer , pos[t]ing as PJO@is.back (Leprechan)
wrote:

>On 29 Nov 1996 04:33:13 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

[
>>In message <329d8aa8.94225485@news.gte.net> - rbs@arches.ogre (RBS)[aka, Leprechaun, PJO, etc.etc]Thu, 28 Nov
>>1996 12:54:04 GMT writes:
>>:>
>>:>	Out of the 2.5 (two and a half) million jews gassed (from the
>>:>latest official holocaust estimates) 3 (three) million of them were
>>:>Hungarian Jews and 4 (four) million of them were Polish Jews.  
>>
>>None of those figures exists anywhere except in Mr. Giwer's fetid imagination.
>
>	I know nothing about his imagination [...]

Looks like the troll is so confused he doesn't even know his own
"mind"

[recycled troll-drivel deleted]

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:50 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: HateWatch - Monitoring Hate Groups on the Internet
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On 1 Dec 1996 02:16:11 GMT, in
<19961201021700.VAA07514@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
wrote:

>>HateWatch Inc. 
>>http://hatewatch.org
>>"Whom they fear, they hate" - Quintus Ennius
>
>Doctor, I strongly suggest a mirror as your best self-prescription at this
>point.

Mr. Thomas, I cannot imagine why you would prescribe for anyone a cure
which has so obviously failed you.

Physician, heal thyself.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:56 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 29 Nov 1996 23:30:47 GMT, in <57nrn7$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>>  John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote:
>>  
>>  posted / emailed
>>  
>>  [text deleted]
>>  
>>  >
>>  >Bellinger claims that we exaggerated his claim about the size of his
>>  >personal library (hee!) and says that it is really around 45,000 books
>>  >or some such twaddle.
>>  >
>>  >At that rate, I would need twenty rooms the size of my study to hold
>>  >that many books.
>>  >
>>  >I have a friend who had about 10,000 books crammed into a large loft
>>  >in New York City. He had them arranged in stacks just like a library,
>>  >and he filled his place.
>>  >
>>  >You have to wonder.
>>  
>>  They are probably all porno magazines. He was always comparing
>>  Streicher's stuff with what he saw in _Screw_ magazine and other such
>>  stuff. Anyway, those things take up less room. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>Typical reply from someone like Mr. Curtis.

Interesting that Mr/Ms Belling/Blackmore does not dispute or refute
Mr. Curtis'  observation.

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:11 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Every Day, in U.S. Press, Holocaust, Yes, Yes, Yes
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On 1 Dec 1996 16:20:45 GMT, in
<19961201162200.LAA19037@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
wrote:

>Tom Moran wrote:
>
>>So every day we are given the truth of the Holocaust story in our
>>major medias. I would say, if Holocaust revisionists had only 2% of
>>the accommodation the lie gets in our every day medias, the other 98%
>>would cease.

I see that Li'l Tommy is still doing Moranic math [tm]

>The process of shedding light on this subject is like one of those "worm"
>fireworks.  A small flame results in an immense amount of smoke and ash. 
>So it is at the moment--the small number of reasonable doubts given public
>exposure have created an immense outpouring of orthodox smoke-screens.
>

Are you counting on the Morans, Blackmores and Giwers of this world to
light these small flames for you Mr. Thomas?!  "Worm" does seem apt
when one thinks of them, I'll grant you that.  Not much fire there
though - not much that works either, come to think of it.

But whatever are these "reasonable doubts" of which you speak?  May we
have some examples - as well as the source of the evidence,
examination of which would lead to the conclusion that there is a
basis for finding that there are "reasonable doubts,"  (however small
in number they might be.)

We've seen lots of questions from the "revisionist" camp - and in fact
those who pose them keep on asking them, even though they have been
answered many, many times.  Of course, there is much that _can_ be
inferred about those who keep recycling  these questions - but
"reasonable doubt" is most definitely _not_ one of the inferences.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/

hro


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From hostrov@uniserve.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:12 PST 1996
Article: 84074 of alt.revisionism
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Good Old Days-Pogrom at Kaunas
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On 30 Nov 1996 03:19:07 GMT, in <57o93b$57u@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

[deleted]

Given his already demonstrated dishonesty in describing what he claims
to have read in other chapters of this book, I will leave it to those
who have access to the text to highlight Mr/Ms Belling/Blackmore's
more egregious errors.

>
>Conclusion:  On the basis of what the authors have provided, it is very
>difficult to come to a definite conclusion about what happened in the
>last report and why.  The orderly's comments are not very helpful, and there
>is no indication as to whom he directed his report to, or whether he ever 
>received a reply or explanation.

Conclusion:  On the basis of what his/her ghost writers have sent for
him to paste 'n post, it is very easy to come to a definite conclusion
about Mr/Ms Belling/Blackmore.  If s/he has the books s/he claims to
cite, they remain unread, gathering dust  in the attic.
Belling/Blackmore's comments are not very helpful except to the extent
that there is an indication that some have replied to them, although
the replies may not have been from those to whom s/he directed the
comments.   The only explanation that comes to mind is that
Belling/Blackmore - whose Profile in Cowardice becomes more clearly
defined  with each passing post s/he makes - is probably nothing more
than another trolling twit.

OTOH, it has been suggested that the degree of intellect, integrity
and honesty among those in the denier camp seems to be inversely
proportional to the volume of their respective posts.
Belling/Blackmore does provide ample evidence in support of this
thesis.

hro

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 14 07:54:11 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: The Good Old Days,1.
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On 8 Dec 1996 03:06:57 GMT, in <58dbch$s0k$21@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>,
gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <19961206104800.FAA18687@ladder01.news.aol.com> - tutu101@aol.com6
>Dec 1996 10:48:21 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>I must correct you.  It is the duty of a prosecutor to prove the
>:>accusations against the accused.  You have things backward.  Someone has
>:>submitted these accusations as evidence.  If I was the judge, I'd throw it
>:>out of court.
>
>Look Tootsie, the accusations that are being submitted are those of the
>deniers who claim that established fact did not happen.  Hence, the burden of
>proof is on them and thay have failed completely.
>
>It is clear why you are not a judge.

Yes, and thank heavens for small mercies, eh?!   Btw, Gord I notice
that this poster is yet another bisyllabic-palindronumeric nym from
aol.  I wonder if the erstwhile "honest" one has demoted himself ;>)

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 14 07:54:13 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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On 3 Dec 1996 21:56:26 GMT, in <5827ma$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:
>
>
>>  
>>  I am certainly not outraged by your flaccid insults though I am
>>  annoyed that you seem to have to post so many useless messages.
>>  
>>  --
>>   John Morris                                
>>   at University of Alberta  
>>  -- 
>>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>>  
>>>>>
>Then advise your colegues to act like ladies and gentlemen-you
>included.

Poor old Blackmore/Belling  - You just don't get it, do you?!  Mr.
Morris was commenting on your many useless messages.  Perhaps in your
hasty editing of his post you missed that part in which Mr. Morris had
also noted:

	"Perhaps you will be treated with respect when you show some
self-respect."

And your response is to append yet another useless message!  And for
this you expect "respect?"

Newcomers to this newsgroup who might be wondering whether Mr/Ms
Blackmore/Belling is deserving of the contempt in which s/he is held
by otherwise reasonable and tolerant people are referred to
http://www.dejanews.com.  Do simple query on rblackmore (or a power
search if you are so inclined) and follow any of the threads to which
s/he has "contributed."

hro




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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 14 07:54:13 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:51:42 GMT, in <32b1b0d1.8418519@news.gte.net>,
mgiwer@gte.net pos[t]ing as destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On 13 Dec 1996 06:32:02 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard
>Schultz) wrote:
>
>>Prince Myshkin (mgiwer@gte.net) wrote:
>>
>>: 	What you are doing is clearly an attempt to disrupt the discussion
>>: of revisionism and what I am doing is responding to that attempt and
>>: making your spamming a worthless exercise.  
>>
>>No one is stopping you from "discussing revisionism" (whatever that is).
>>Go ahead, discuss away.  Which of course is completely unrelated to the
>>fact that alt.revisionism is not, and never was, for "discussion of 
>>revisionism."
>
>	You learned how to spell internet when you hit college.  Suddenly
>an expert telling us that revisionism is not for the discussion of
>revisionism.  

When you eventually learn to read, Giwer-troll, you will discover that
this newsgroup is called alt.revisionism.  After you have learned to
read and have developed some comprehension skills, you will also
discover that Mr. Schultz is entirely correct.

>	One of your fellow holobuggerers even found and posted the
>conference description circulated when it was being proposed.  It
>clearly stated that it was for the discussion of revisionism so that
>it would not be brought up in newsgroups all over usenet.  

Actually, the newsgroup was formed to keep off-topic denier drivel
>from  inappropriately cluttering other newsgroups.  You can flap and
bluster as much you like Giwer-troll.   

But as long as you, your handlers and your admirers continue to
recycle the distortions and lies you mistakenly call "revisionism,"
you will have to learn to live with the certain knowledge that your
wastes of bandwidth will be countered by facts.

>	Either that is true or we go back to discussing revisionism in
>every conference but this.  Kapisch?  

Sure I understand!   You've backed yourself into a corner with your
silly threats to control this newsgroup.  Chalk up another failure for
the witless troll.  And you follow this failure with yet  another
threat.   Slow learner aren't you Giwer-troll?

Do yourself a favour, Giwer-troll.  Find something in life at which
you stand a remote chance of succeeding.  I'm sure you'll feel better
about yourself  - and you might even be able to rescue yourself from
this hole you've dug yourself into.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 14 07:54:14 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: edm.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Gauleiter Gross Wants to be Freenet Fuehrer,or Goebbels
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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:51:00 -0500, in <32B23234.447E@passport.ca>,
raterman  wrote:

>Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>> In article <32b0e15b.16776292@news.gte.net> destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>> 
>> Just goes to show that poor, sick Mr. Giwer has so little pride that he'll
>> post under the name of an American hero in order to puff himself up.
>> 
>> For those who don't know:
>> 
>> From:  http://www.uss-intrepid.com/fleetweek96/usnabio.html
>> 
>> 
>> Admiral Arleigh A. Burke
>> 
>>                              Arleigh A. Burke, whose courage and speedy sailing made him one
>>                              of the Navy's biggest heroes during World War II, and who later
>>                              sped past more senior admirals to take charge of the service during
>>                              a critical peacetime transition, died Monday, January 1, 1996. He
>>                              was 94.
>(etc)
>
>Interesting info.  Thanks.  It just raises the puzzle of why Nazi
>sympathisers identify with American war heros; although when you think
>about it, it's not surprising that these screwballs are confused.

Actually, the more intelligent (well everything's relative, so they
say) among them are not in the least confused.  They are fully
cognizant that their deceits are simply an attempt to confuse those
who may - through no fault of their  own - know no better.

However, such attempts invariably fail.  Giwer is known for flaunting
his state of perpetual failure. 

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 14 08:41:58 PST 1996
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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:51:00 -0500, in <32B23234.447E@passport.ca>,
raterman  wrote:

>Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>> 
>> In article <32b0e15b.16776292@news.gte.net> destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>> 
>> Just goes to show that poor, sick Mr. Giwer has so little pride that he'll
>> post under the name of an American hero in order to puff himself up.
>> 
>> For those who don't know:
>> 
>> From:  http://www.uss-intrepid.com/fleetweek96/usnabio.html
>> 
>> 
>> Admiral Arleigh A. Burke
>> 
>>                              Arleigh A. Burke, whose courage and speedy sailing made him one
>>                              of the Navy's biggest heroes during World War II, and who later
>>                              sped past more senior admirals to take charge of the service during
>>                              a critical peacetime transition, died Monday, January 1, 1996. He
>>                              was 94.
>(etc)
>
>Interesting info.  Thanks.  It just raises the puzzle of why Nazi
>sympathisers identify with American war heros; although when you think
>about it, it's not surprising that these screwballs are confused.

Actually, the more intelligent (well everything's relative, so they
say) among them are not in the least confused.  They are fully
cognizant that their deceits are simply an attempt to confuse those
who may - through no fault of their  own - know no better.

However, such attempts invariably fail.  Giwer is known for flaunting
his state of perpetual failure. 

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:45 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:14:28 GMT, in <32b0e605.1732938@199.0.216.204>,
tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>tom moran (tm@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>>: >In article , 
>>: >William "Gruber is a Jewish name" Grosvenor, posing
>>: >inappropriately as "WAHRHEIT"  wrote:
>>: >
>>: >>Actually I have laid the charges with the RCMP against the person with
>>: >>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>: >>Edmonton freenet, which is a business for which I paid a year in advance,
>>: >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>: >>and is not free!!!
>>: >>
>>: >>They have now SWINDLED me out of the year's prepayment of service fees.
>>: >
>>: >Translation: I agreed to abide by the Edmonton Freenet's Terms of Service.
>>: >Had I not done so, they would not have permitted me to use the system. I 
>>: >then violated those selfsame terms, and was quite properly turfed.
>>: >(Those Wascally Joos made me do it!)
>>
>>: 	Hilary, is that you? What have you done with McVay?
>>
>>Hilary Ostrov took an axe
>>And gave Sir Nizkor 40 whacks
>>When she saw what she had done
>>She took his code to post for fun
>>
>>Ya think?
>
>Billy Anderson or Chuck, is that you? What have you done with
>Mr.Mittleman?

Hey Mr. Riddleman 
Where's Dr. Mittleman?
Tommie's really on his toes
Following poetry with such dull prose.




From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:46 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
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On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:33:37 GMT, in <32b209af.220743@199.0.216.204>,
tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka the denier in search of a persona)
wrote:

>>In article <32ADE9FB.34D8@trib.infi.net>, arcaro@trib.infi.net wrote:
>>
>>[Identity claptrap]
>>
>>>(I am not particularly religious, just throwing this in for discussion)
>>
>>No one involved with Identity can fairly be described as
>>religious, so I accept your disclaimer. Now perhaps you will tell
>>us what any of that had to do with the Holocaust?
>>
>>-- 
>>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
>
>	Hilary, what have you done with McVay? 

Little Tommy what have you done with your mind (I use the term very
loosely)?  

About a year ago, I gave you some lessons on how to use your
newsreader to copy and paste an URL.  I'm not quite sure if you've
mastered that task yet, but if you like I can give you some more
lessons on how to use your newsreader - so that you don't have to
continue embarrassing yourself by asking such inane questions.

Just let me know, OK?!

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:47 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Of Pomp and Circumstance (Was Re: Clearing the air about CODOH)
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On 13 Dec 1996 18:30:36 GMT, in
<19961213183000.NAA19407@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

>Keith Morrison wrote:
>
>>Then perhaps you might take the time to clear up a few other issues:
>>
>>Why has there been no comment by people affiliated with CODOH,
>>who have posted here, concerning people who have provably lied,
>>misquoted, slandered and otherwise acted as not nice people when
>>said people take the position the Holocaust is a myth?
>>
>>Why have members of CODOH taken particular delight (or so it appears)
>>in complaining when people who take the opposing position engage
>>in behaviour such as name-calling?
>>
>>In short, why have members of CODOH engaged in this double standard?
>
>Happy to oblige you with some answers, observations and clarifications. 

Well, now that he has entertained us with his self-serving doublespeak
which did not address any of Mr. Morrison's questions (although it
provided considerable insight as to how those who mistakenly call
themselves "revisionists"  choose to formulate their "reasonable
views") perhaps Mr. Thomas will deign to actually respond to the
questions asked.

Maybe this time he'll march with a little less pomp - and considerably
more circumstance.

[balance deleted]

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:49 PST 1996
Article: 89095 of alt.revisionism
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: BELLING/BLACKMORE/TUTU - TRIPLETS IN DOUBLE JEOPARDY
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On 23 Dec 1996 19:56:16 GMT, in <59mo50$r5c@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

[snip]

>>  
>>  	One of things he will learn is how you distort and misrepresent.
>>  
>>  	--YFE
>>  
>>>>>
>This coming from the "King" of distortion himself!  The reader only be made 
>aware of one fact----Mr. Edeikin is an ATTORNEY.--rb

(and obviously not only is rb spellingly/gramatically-challenged but
no doubt s/he is also memory-challenged and/or newsreader
sig.file-challenged):

On 25 Dec 1996 00:03:07 GMT, in
<19961225000200.TAA19841@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tutu101@aol.com
(Tutu101) wrote:

>	One of things he will learn is how you distort and misrepresent.
>
>	--YFE
>
>However, I am a real novice compared to you.--rb

Then again, it could be that the putative niece has taken over the
triplets' keyboard one more time.

Don't forget about that New Year's resolution I suggested to you,
Mr/Ms. Blackmore/Belling/Tutu.  Who knows, '97 could be the year you
begin to approach a pseudo-semblance of deserving credence [or maybe
there'll be a clearwater revival ;>)]

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Fri Dec 27 11:36:50 PST 1996
Article: 89135 of alt.revisionism
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: SUGGESTED NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION FOR MR. BELLING/BLACKMORE/TUTU
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On 25 Dec 1996 12:28:31 GMT, in
<19961225122700.HAA29374@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tutu101@aol.com
(Tutu101) wrote:

[Quoting Mr. Curtis]:
>The charges against her were not simply those of participating in
>selections. There were also charges of beatings, etc., and some of
>these she admitted to.
>
>
[Presumably responding to Mr. Curtis]:
>Yes, she beat people for malingering and stealing other people's food. 
>That is hardly a reason to hang someone.--rb
>
[Quoting Mr. Curtis]
> You have this simplistic habit of narrowing the
>evidence to her testimony alone. then you narrow that into specific
>events.

[snip]

>. You are distorting the case
>against her to meat your own agenda and are not being fair to the
>sources available. This is something that most _good_, _fair_, and
>honest historians who got As in their classes learn NOT to do.
>
[Presumbably responding to Mr. Curtis _and_ playing Al Baron - and/or
playing Ehrlich playing Al Baron]:
>I have studied their comments and Ido not find their accusations to be
>credible, Mike.  That's all there is to it.  I feel sorry for Ms. Grese
>and her family.  She did not deserve to die.--rb
>
>

To Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Tutu and/or their putative niece and/or their
apparent handlers:

Before you invent your next persona, would you please take the time to
LEARN how to use a newsreader so that your attributions are correct -
and your posts slightly  less convoluted. The simplistic habit the
three of you seem to share -  sloppy pasting (whether of the material
your handlers have sent you and/or that of  the poster to whom you are
responding) - makes your "contributions" needlessly time consuming to
read (especially for those of us who have to deal with flakey servers
>from  time to time).

Thank you.

[posted not e-mailed because previous courtesy e-mails I've sent to
B/B/T have yielded irrelevant and/or immature responses which appear
to be from a not very bright 13 year-old. Then again, perhaps the
putative niece was "visiting" each time my e-mail arrived?:>)]

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Dec 28 15:24:05 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer:  is he a felon?  I dunno.
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On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 11:14:59, in ,
joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <5a3i31$abc$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>
[snip]

[asking if the following might have occurred to Mr. Rosenberg]
>
>>it may well have been Giwer who sent it out anonymized in order
>>to set some people up?
>
>Yes, it did.  
>
>Although how he might think this could possibly benefit him escapes me.  
>
>But, then again, we are talking about Jabba the Giwer...

OTOH, when have you ever seen _anything_ from the witless foul-mouthed
troll that could possibly benefit him?  Unless of course he views
maintaining his high FQ (Failure Quotient) as a way of scoring points
with his handlers.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Dec 29 23:00:08 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:01:20 GMT, in
<32c9fb3b.8911220@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike
Curtis) wrote:

>tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) wrote:
>

[snip]

>>  All forms of corporal punishment had
>>to be approved of in advance by authorities in Berlin.
>
>I thought you said that Berlin had nothing to do with this stuff. when
>exactly is Blackmore going to be consistent?
>

Gee, Mike, Blackmore _is_ consistent!  No matter which nym s/he pastes
under s/he always manages to prove s/he can't handle the basics of
USENET 101.  Not to mention being faithfully consistent with all the
tenets of DENIER 101, including "peddle a lie - and when cornered
squirm and/or backpedal as fast as you can" ;>)

Posted/e-mailed

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Mon Dec 30 16:25:40 PST 1996
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On 30 Dec 1996 02:51:54 GMT, in <5a7aoa$fn0$4@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>,
gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

[snip]

>
>I'm beginning to wonder if anyone *didn't* receive a copy of the bloody thing.

Well, I didn't!  However I noticed that Charles Power
 didn't get one either!  Maybe the
remailer discriminates against those whose User ID's end in .  Or
maybe there's an anti-ovitic conspiracy diverting our e-mail.

>Matt??  Did you really think we were stupid enough to fall for that one?

Oh, come on Gord, be fair!  When was the last time the troll put his
163 IQ  brain in gear before he engaged his keyboard?!

Guess he loses again, eh?!

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Mon Dec 30 16:25:41 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:58:56 GMT, in <32c5e421.199597@199.0.216.204>,
tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka the denier in search of a persona)
wrote:

>
>Brought to you by a synagogue.
>

Really?!  Are you sure it wasn't the NY or LA Times?

You never did answer my question, Li'l Tommy:  what have you done with
your mind (still using the term very loosely)?

[Li'l Tommy's repeat of my post deleted]

I noticed elsewhere that Li'l Tommy (who is not exactly known for
having any original thoughts) has trotted out his bandwidth wasting
distortions and drivel (without acknowledging that his "arguments"
have been soundly refuted) one more time.

Newcomers (and those who haven't already killfiled Moran) may wish to
peruse:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/moran-tom/

and/or

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

There you will find everything you always wanted to know about Tom
Moran.  Like all who mistakenly call themselves "revisionists," he
damns himself with his own words.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Dec 31 21:13:50 PST 1996
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese
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On 31 Dec 1996 22:24:02 GMT, in <5ac3q2$pf9@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  In article <19961228221600.RAA21156@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>  fafner13@aol.com (Fafner13) wrote:
>  
>   # Grese testified that the gas chambers were rumored.
>   
>  "I knew that prisoners were gassed" - Irma Grese,
>   in "The Belsen Trial", p. 251.
>   
>   
>   -Danny Keren.
>   
>   Now, revert to her earlier testimony and show everyone here what a
>   deceitful man you are.
>  
>  You first, Mr. Belling. By all means. 

We didn't really need any further examples, Mark, but I see that the
B/B/T/F has decided to oblige and has provided the following as a very
telling example of his lack of intellectual honesty (amongst other
deficiencies he repeatedly demonstrates)

>OK.  She "knew" they were "gassed" based upon "rumors" told
>to her by prisoners.  

If your handlers have shown you how to scroll back up a page, Mr.
Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner I would suggest that you do so.  But
just in case that is too complex a task for you (and it may well be
since you have yet to demonstrate that you can respond intelligently
to a post - or that you can paste and/or post in such a way that
attributions can be readily discerned), here it is again (slowly):

Your fafnym wrote:

 Grese testified that the gas chambers were rumored. 

Dr. Keren responded:

"I knew that the prisoners were gassed" - Irma Grese,
 in "The Belsen Trial", p. 251.

Now, Mr. B/B/T/F, for your enlightenment, Dr. Keren has provided a
citation (in case you are not aware, "The Belsen Trial" is a *book*
and  is the *page* on which the text and it's context can be
verified).

In other words, Dr. Keren has provided a _verifiable_ source for his
information.  In so doing, he has completely refuted your repeatedly
unsubstantiated claim (actually, at this point I would go so far as to
say your repeated blatant *lie*).  

You, on the other hand, are such a dishonest coward that you just keep
repeating your lies - rather than admit that there is no testimony
which supports your "claim" (or, more to the point,  that of your
handlers).

>Some of you people are so pathetic 

The only thing that is "pathetic" is the abysmally low opinion that
you ( your alter egos, your cohorts and your handlers) must hold of
the intelligence of readers of this newsgroup.

>that you
>cannot even bring yourselves to admit what should be obvious to 
>most people by now--that this young lady did not deserve a sentence
>of death.  --rb

Oh, I get it now.  Hitler was a hero, Grese was a "lady" who "did not
deserve" the death sentence, and the 12 million innocent people - of
whom approximately half were Jewish - who were murdered by Hitler and
the Nazi regime ... oh, well it must have been their own fault just
for committing the unforgivable crime of being born and living in
Europe at that time.

"Revisionism" the great adventure of the 20th century.  Amazing.
Simply amazing.

hro

"Adolph Hitler's Final Solution ideology represented in stark reality
a cult of the irrational bordering on lunacy yet advanced under the
guise of ice cold reason, a cult whose founder saw himself as the
benefactor and savior of his Greater German Reich." - Gerald Fleming
in _Hitler and the Final Solution_  p. 188.

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