From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 08:46:52 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Letter About The Holocaust by Ken Blewitt
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On 29 Dec 1996 09:14:40 GMT, in
<19961229091300.EAA04884@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

>>What are we to make of your failure to speak out against Matt Giwer's
>>vulgar (and frequently obscene) anti-Semitic outbursts?
>
>I think you should analyze it with the same reasonable objectivity that
>you apply to all subjects hereabouts.
>

Do you indeed, Mr. Thomas?  Considering that you have edited Mr.
Schultz's post (and removed all references) in your response, those
who have flakey servers will be interested in knowing the antecedents
to his question:



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DvdThomas (dvdthomas@aol.com) wrote:

: My own intentions are to speak out on things that I think are wrong,
: participate in the process, and live with the outcome.  I don't recommend
: a course of action to anyone, just making an observation.

What are we to make of your failure to speak out against Matt Giwer's
vulgar (and frequently obscene) anti-Semitic outbursts?



Those of us who do possess reasonable objectivity can only conclude
that your deafening silence regarding Giwer's behaviour would seem to
indicate that you condone it.  (I don't recommend a course of action
to anyone, either.  Just making an observation.)

This being the case, are we to take it that a Giwer-post is the
"debate" that CODOH wishes to promote?  If not, maybe someone else
>from  CODOH is prepared to be a voice in the wilderness - and surprise
us all by calling a spade a spade. (I'm not recommending a course of
action here, either.  Just asking a few questions in the interest of
debate.)

Should you deign to respond, Mr, Thomas, do feel free to edit my post
(without so indicating) and to accuse me of being sleazy - it seems to
be your autoresponse of the month.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 12:19:23 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: The human skin nonsense
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On 31 Dec 1996 20:50:57 GMT, in <5abubh$hlr@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>>  In article <32c94724.3007638@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
>>  wrote:
>>  
>>  > >The artifacts made from human skin were discovered in 
>>  > >Buchenwald. A pathology report confirming this is
>>  > >often posted here. They are also mentioned in an
>>  > >official SS communication; see
>>  > >
>>  > >http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
>>  > >buchenwald-doc04.gif
>>  > >
>>  > >And
>>  > >
>>  > >http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
>>  > >buchenwald02.jpg
>>  > >
>>  > >It is apparent that even some of the SS thought that these
>>  > >kinds of things are going too far, because a letter to
>>  > >the Buchenwald Pathology Department asks that the manufacturing
>>  > >of shrunken heads etc. will stop.
>>  > >
>>  > >See 
>
>The reports are frauds and the artifacts are fake and can no longer
>be found anywhere on the face of God's good earth.--rb

Sure rb.   But do tell, if they cannot be found "anywhere on the face
of God's good earth" what makes you so certain?!  All the books in
your handler's attic?

Your "facts" are frauds, your nyms are fake and can always be found
anywhere you post on the face God's good 'net.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 12:19:24 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Turnabout is fair play?
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On 31 Dec 1996 20:40:18 GMT, in
<19961231203800.PAA19871@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

Mr. Thomas, I have observed on several occasions that you are wont to
comment (sometimes briefly, sometimes at length) on the grammar, tone,
and even the word count of those whose views you seem to hold in low
esteem.  Although you continue to remain deafeningly silent regarding
the bandwidth-wasting posts of the boorish, foul-mouthed troll.

However, in the spirit of the topic (and of the season) I am sure you
will forgive the following:

[deletia]

>[...]  Humor is useful, I highly recommend it if you can find
>some.  

Eureka! I found some.

>I've had a hard time doing that for a long while, and frankly began
>to get tired of myself too.  With that straight line thrown out for
>immediate use, I bid you good day.

On the last day of ninety-six, Mr. Thomas posted here
Five minor flaws
Four hundred words*
Three run-ons
Two paragraphs
And no partidge in a pear tree.

*poetic (?!) licence taken here ... actually 424 [and 1,969 characters
as well, but I couldn't work that in either!)]

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to overcome my aversion to using
the "grammar" feature of my word processing program :>)

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 12:19:25 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz
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On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:07:45 -0700, in
, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <32e9f4f8.4509946@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
>wrote:
>
[Mr. Van Alstine's excellent refutation of  (tm)
deleted for brevity]

>> Thus it appears the Holocaust dependents are presenting what we
>> should expect is the lesser evidence instead of what we should expect
>> would be the greater evidence.
>
>Thus it appears (unsuprisingly) that the Moran(tm) once more trots out
>discredited denier fabrications and distortions while mendaciously
>ignoring the historical record. The Moran(tm) (predictably) sees only what
>his bigotry and anti-Semitism allows him to see -instead of what any
>_honest_ and _objective_ person would: Namely the plethora of evidence
>that confirms the Nazi genocide of European Jewry. 
>
>> Interesting.   
>
>Rather, pathetically typical of an ignorant Holocaust denier such as the
>Moran(tm).

Now please be fair, Mark!  Moran has morphed himself since the days
when he was an *ignorant" Holocaust denier.  In the good old days, he
was simply a buffoon whose malapropisms were highly amusing.  

Assuming (and this may be very foolish on my part!) that he has
actually _read_ and _comprehended_ some of the material he paraphrases
in his own inimitable fashion (he still manages to amuse me
sometimes!,) he can no longer claim ignorance (which was never an
excuse anyway!).

Truth is Moran is a hate-filled failure in life.  And like all
failures (the troll comes to mind - as does Moran's and the troll's
handlers' idol, Hitler) whose mothers never taught them about personal
responsibility, they project their failures onto their scapegoat ...
which is, of course, those wascally joooooos.

But I quite agree ...

>The Moran (tm)  is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
>blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.
>The Moran (tm) generally conducted himself with such a complete lack of
>intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
>taking the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

>But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
>beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding
>Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the  box-office? For
>evidence of this please see:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-menorah-faq
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-schindler-faq

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 12:19:25 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:33:27 GMT, in <32ca5483.4515549@199.0.216.204>,
tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka the denier in search of a persona)
wrote:

>
>	Random House Dictionary
>
>	"gift" - no.4, a special ability or capacity; a talent.
>

And what might yours be, Li'l Tommy?  If you do have any "special
ability or capacity" or "talent," you certainly keep it very well
hidden.

[moranic drivel snipped]

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 14:01:50 PST 1997
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On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:41:25 GMT, in
<32d30a06.15820047@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka
the denier in search of a persona) wrote: [to himself]

>>
>>	Yup. Get ready.
>>

[snip Tommy's fantasies]

>
>	Whoa, there's all kinds of scenarios we could fantacize on.  

Nice of you to admit that the hate-filled fact-bereft drivel you post
here is nothing more than "scenarios [you] fantacize on."

Lurkers will, I am sure, keep this in mind when reading your posts in
future.
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  1 15:18:10 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:15:02 GMT, in
<32cf88ae.5438540@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike
Curtis) wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>>>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>  
>
>Blackmore:
>>>[snip]  I would have to see where.....accused
>>>witches also agreed that they all verily kissed the devil's merry, hairy ass.--rb 
>>  
>>  
>>  Since you keep trying to misdirect everyone, let's get you in another
>>>  historical distortion. Which witches claimed to have done this thing?
>>>  Names please and a citation for verification.
>>>  
>>>>>>
>>One quite typical confession, preserved in the court records of Neuerberg,
>>Luxemberg, is that made by Susanna Stein (Jewish??-rb) of Wassweiler
>>over a 4 month period....The manuscript at Cornell includes her confession
>>of a visit from the Devil, who did with her as he pleased, and later an account
>>of her aerial trip on a broomstick to the devil's dance.--rb
>>
>>Source:  Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins, p.100.101.
>
>
>Well, you haven't shown a case of kissing the devil's ass. 

Indeed he has not, Mr. Curtis.  But then when was the last time a
denier _ever_ presented a citation which would actually substantiate a
"claim" they had put forth?

>You are
>quite incapable of research, aren't you Blackmore.

With respect, Mr. Curtis, I disagree!  I rather think that Blackmore
(or more to the point, his handler) is entirely capable of "doing
research."  But, in keeping with the "revisionist" method as practiced
by (inter alia) David Irving, deception is the name of their game, and
consequently they _ignore_ that which their research has shown them.
in order to put forth further distortions and lies.

What a tangled web they weave .....

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Fri Jan  3 07:41:56 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: For the Benefit of "Mr. Blackmore"
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On 2 Jan 1997 22:54:38 GMT, in <5ahebe$9kb@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   Gord McFee  writes:
>
>
>>  Nice try, but facile as I said.  The word "kike" is a pejorative by
>>  definition; it is independent of the user, and to say that you are not a
>>  racist and therefore can use racist terms is sophistry at its best.  It
>>  is this kind of hypocrisy and duplicity that ensure the denier argument
>>  always loses.
>>  
>>  
>>  --
>>  Gord McFee
>>  I'll write no line before its time
>>  
>>>>>COMMENT:  I must disagree.  Since you do not know me, you cannot 
>really state with certainty whether I am an anti-Semite or not; however, I tell
>you that I am not.  [...]

Really, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner - you should take the time
to *read* before you *respond.*  Mr. McFee said _nothing_ about
whether or not you are an anti-Semite!  

But since you, yourself, have raised the issue ....

Perhaps you should have a little chat with your friend, Ehrlich.
Disagree to your heart's content, by all means (and you are certainly
proving yourself to be a very disagreeable person), but do not forget:

	"People are judged here not by their looks, their degrees,
their publications, their wealth, or the whiteness of their teeth, but
solely by the content of what they say." - Ehrlich 606, in
<4m0ode$26a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> [May, 1996]

So it is of no consequence whether one knows you or not.  You are
judged "solely by the content" of what you say.  It follows,
therefore, that if you do not wish to be deemed an anti-Semite, you
will heed Ehrlich's words - and adjust your content accordingly.  By
the same token, if you do not wish to be deemed a hypocritical and
duplicitous liar, you will also adjust the content of your posts
accordingly.

Of course, you may also choose not to make any such adjustments.  But
such a choice will make you no less responsible for your words (no
matter how furiously you try to backpedal away from them). 

Feel free to stamp your little feet, wave your hands and protest as
much as you like.  But do keep in mind -  whatever your nym of the day
(or hour!) might be and regardless of whether you are in  or  -  you will continue to be judged "solely by the content" of
what you say.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sat Jan  4 01:21:34 PST 1997
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On 3 Jan 1997 21:22:39 GMT, in <5ajtav$od6@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   Gord McFee  writes:
>>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>  > 

[snip]

>>  > 
>>  > COMMENT:  That's it.  You lost the debate, and I am through debating it with an asshole,
>>  
>>  I am sorry to say that *you* lost the debate, Mr. Blackmore.  Attempting
>>  to claim that a word such as "kike" is not antisemitic just doesn't cut
>>  it.  I am surprised you didn't simply admit you made a silly statement
>>  and back out of it.  God knows I have had to do that.  It doesn't make
>>  you less of a man BTW.

>COMMENT:  I already explained that has I had no sinister intent,
>and the word was used as satire, 

Sorry, but your "intent" is irrelevant.  Earlier in this thread, you
made a statement of the obvious i.e. that we do not know you.  I will
therefore agree that we cannot know your "intent."  

>I need not apologize for it.  

However, since you  long ago exhausted any credibility that might be
accorded to your claims, your "explanation" just doesn't cut it.  You
have given us no reason to _believe_ that your "intent" and use of the
word was anything other than pejorative.  And, btw, "because I say so"
doesn't cut it either.

You know, Mr/Ms Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner, in my post, "For the
Benefit of 'Mr. Blackmore' " (if you've missed it, do let me know and
I shall repost it for you), I suggested that you would do well to pay
heed to the words of your friend, Ehrlich. Here they are again:

	"People are judged here not by their looks, their degrees,
their publications, their wealth, or the whiteness of their teeth, but
solely by the content of what they say." - Ehrlich 606, in
<4m0ode$26a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> [May, 1996]

>In
>view of this, do you still think that I need to?--rb

Your question reminds me that there is a corollary to the above words
of wisdom from Ehrlich, which is very applicable to you:

	"People are often further judged by that which they choose not
to say."

Of course, whether you choose to apologize is entirely up to you!
However, even if you do apologize, based your past perforrnance one
might well question the sincerity of any apology that emanates from
your keyboard.  

So it would seem that at this point, Mr/Ms
Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner,  you have damned yourself if you do,
and damned yourself if you don't.

Oh, well, 'tis the denier way, I suppose :>)

hro
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On Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:45:17 GMT, in <32d87a02.8255721@199.0.216.204>,
tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka the denier in search of a persona)
wrote: [to himself again!]

[snip]

>>	By delaying a Hebron agreement over these two issues, Mr.Arafat
>>is postponing further steps toward peace and giving fanatics on both
>>sides more time to do their worst." 	
>
>	One of the favorite words for these unsigned editorials, as with
>most letters, is the use of the word "but" with the following
>commentary wailing on the Palestinians.
>
>	We can take note that the unsigned editorial ends up on a 'evil
>Palestinian' note.

You and yourself can "take note of" whatever you want, Li'l Tommy.
But (sorry, I know you don't like that word) where on earth do you see
the  'evil Palestinian' note?  Are you fantacizing again? Tsk. Tsk.
Tsk.

Btw, you seem to have a problem with "unsigned editorials."  If you
were to actually _read_ newspapers, Li'l Tommy, you would discover
that most (if not all) editorials are unsigned - even when (like most
of them) they are not written by those wascally Jooooos

And why do you keep responding to your own posts, Li'l Tommy?  Oh,
well, I guess it must be because no one else is paying any attention
to you.  Guess that's what happens when you work so hard to develop a
reputation for posting drivel.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jan  5 15:00:51 PST 1997
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On 5 Jan 1997 09:35:38 GMT, in <5ansla$2so@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
>snip
>>>>>
>COMMENTS:  As usual your arguments and diversions are achieving the
>hoped for results.  You fail on all accounts.

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Poor old Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner.  Looking in
the mirror and talking to himself.

Another loser.  Just like the Giwer-troll.  You'd think their handlers
would at least *try* to find someone who could put up a semblance of
an argument.  

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jan  5 15:54:31 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
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On 5 Jan 1997 09:14:30 GMT, in <5anrdm$2so@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   Gord McFee  writes:
>  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>
>  As moderator Matt Giwer would tell you, the causes and reasons for the
>  Holocaust are off-topic in this newsgroup, which exists to discuss the
>  historicity of the Holocaust.  
>  
>  That being said, I wish you would either support your statement about
>  Goldhagen's book or withdraw it.  I have the book beside me by the way,
>  so a page reference would be appreciated.  I disagree with much of
>  Goldhagen's thesis, but it is most unfair to accuse him of having said
>  things he clearly did not say.
>  

>>>>>
>COMMENT:  I do not have the book in front of me.  I cannot cite you a 
>particular page or paragraph.  

Oh, how clever of you, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner.  You've
excised your own words from Mr. McFee's post. (Did Ehrlich teach you
that little trick?  It was one of his favourites, as I recall.) Or are
you beginning to regret having posted them?  Trying to run away from
them, lest you be judged by the content of what you say? Too bad! Here
are your words again:

	 Also, these  posts are in reply to the argument made 	
	implicitly by Goldhagen that the Germans were pliable to 	
	becoming Hitler's "willing executioners" due to some "bad 	
	gene" peculiar to the Germans.   These posts simply prove the

	untenable position of this opinion.

Since you are too lazy to do your own research, it may be too much
effort for you to scroll back up the page.  So here is Mr. McFee's
request, one more time:

	[...]  I wish you would either support your statement about 	
	Goldhagen's book or withdraw it.  I have the book beside 
	me by the way, so a page reference would be 
	appreciated. 

>I assume you have read the book, so I will
>ask you if he implicitly remarks that Germans had a peculiar "bad gene" which
>gave them the predisposition to persecute Jews.

The question is not yours to ask.  Rather the claim is yours to
substantiate.  If you cannot do so, ask your handlers how you might
begin the task of removing the egg from your face.  

Or perhaps your niece is visiting again, and since she is a not too
bright thirteen year-old, she doesn't understand concepts such as
intellectual honesty.

Of course, you could always pull your little "disappear for a month"
act - as you did the last time you were confronted with words posted
>from  your account by this putative niece.

Posted/e-mailed to "Mr. Blackmore" and Mr. McFee

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jan  5 20:26:26 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 4 Jan 1997 01:09:39 GMT, in <5akakj$n6n@news.enter.net>,
yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
>>  Nele Abels  wrote:
>
>
>>  >"The gassings to place in Camp II". Does this mean "There were now gas 
>>  >chambers".
>  
>>  > Is rlbackmore really so stupid or is he just a clumsy liar??
>  
>>  If his posts are any indication, I'm beginning to believe that both
>>  may be true.
>
>	And he seems to be getting clumsier about it as each one is 
>exposed.
>

Seems to me that the "revisionist" motto these days must be "'Tis
better to have lied and lost, than never to have lied at al."
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Sun Jan  5 20:26:27 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 5 Jan 1997 20:38:15 GMT, in
<19970105203600.PAA02347@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

>A groundless retort from Hilary Ostrov to Tom Moran:
>
>>Btw, you seem to have a problem with "unsigned editorials."  If you
>>were to actually _read_ newspapers, Li'l Tommy, you would discover
>>that most (if not all) editorials are unsigned - even when (like most
>>of them) they are not written by those wascally Jooooos
>
>His words, assuming you read them, take exception to the editorial itself,
>not the fact that it's unsigned.  What, exactly, do you base that
>statement on?

Sorry that you found my question to be a "groundless retort," Mr.
Thomas.  I rather thought that since Moran had twice referred to the
editorial as "unsigned" (not to mention that he also used the word
"Unsigned" in naming the thread), he seemed to attach some
significance to it.

But no doubt you are more adept than I when it comes to comprehending
the  [tm].  Perhaps you would also care to explain the
'evil Palestinian note' as in:

>	We can take note that the unsigned editorial ends up on a 'evil
>Palestinian' note.

that Moran seems to have found in:

>>	By delaying a Hebron agreement over these two issues, Mr.Arafat
>>is postponing further steps toward peace and giving fanatics on both
>>sides more time to do their worst." 	
>

Yes, Mr. Thomas, your assumption is quite correct:  I *did* read his
words.  And had you not edited my post, I think this would have been
quite obvious to readers of your response.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Mon Jan  6 02:18:23 PST 1997
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Notwithstanding the References, I have not seen the following response
posted here yet - and I wouldn't want anyone to miss it.  



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Ich hab eine tiefe sehnsucht in mir, nach Dir, nach Dir....ja. ich
sehn mich, ich sehn mich, nach Dir......



I'm sure he must be making a highly relevant contribution to the
discussion. So for the benefit of all to whom the German language
presents a linguistic challenge, I would ask that Mr/Ms
Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner (or their handler) kindly provide a
translation.

Of course, it is entirely possible that Mr. Blackmore's "niece" is
visiting again, and this was a message she intended to post to one of
her correspondents from alt.teen or acadia.chat.  But in any event, a
translation would be appreciated.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Mon Jan  6 06:52:15 PST 1997
Article: 91373 of alt.revisionism
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On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 17:22:04 GMT, in
<32cd3ff1.145548009@news.gte.net>, kavaliers@hong.kong (A troll)
wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 01:49:29 GMT, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis)
>wrote in alt.revisionism:
>

[snip]

>>
>>So, you accept the slaughter of the Einsatzgruppen. It is unique in
>>that folks knew they were being sought because they were part of a
>>group. The NKVD was arbitrary and random sometimes depending upon the
>>whim of a dictator. Russia was also a very large country and
>>communications allowed petty power zones. There seem to be differences
>>you are blind to,  
>
>	The difference is clear only to those playing the "poor us"
>game.  

I am confident that a search of the many thousands of troll-posts that
have littered this newsgroup in the past year will show that the
Giwer-troll in all his thin guises is probably king of the "poor [me]"
gameplayers (if not, he deserves this crown because he has lost so
often).

But it is good to know that he is not blind to the difference between
the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and those of the NKVD.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Mon Jan  6 16:24:13 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 6 Jan 1997 14:52:26 GMT, in
<19970106145000.JAA26967@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

[snip Mr. Thomas "explanation" of Moran's 'evil Palestinian note'  Why
is it that those who mistakenly call themselves "revisionists" - and
who to this day cannot articulate the acceptable standards of "proof"
and/or "evidence" they perpetually demand - can never resist an
opportunity to engage in anti-Israel propaganda?]

>And that's what Mr. Moran meant, in my opinion.  I didn't ask him, it just
>seems casual to the obvious observer.
>
>But you know, when I'm puzzled by someone's remarks and have an honest
>interest in knowing what they meant, I find it best to just ask them.  [...]

Actually, Mr. Thomas, in the post with which you seem to find such
fault, I _did_  in fact ask Moran the question.  Perhaps in your haste
to make your point you missed it.  So for those who have flakey
servers - and at the risk of incurring Mr. Thomas' further scorn for
my failure to conserve bandwidth - here is the relevant text (and
context) from my post:



[Moran]
>>	By delaying a Hebron agreement over these two issues, Mr.Arafat
>>is postponing further steps toward peace and giving fanatics on both
>>sides more time to do their worst." 	
>
[Moran]
>	One of the favorite words for these unsigned editorials, as with
>most letters, is the use of the word "but" with the following
>commentary wailing on the Palestinians.
>
>	We can take note that the unsigned editorial ends up on a 'evil
>Palestinian' note.

You and yourself can "take note of" whatever you want, Li'l Tommy.
But (sorry, I know you don't like that word) where on earth do you see
the  'evil Palestinian' note?  Are you fantacizing again? Tsk. Tsk.
Tsk.



In the further interest of bandwidth conservation, and notwithstanding
Mr. Thomas' very lengthy (but perhaps somewhat misleading*) statement
of the obvious with regard to editorials elsewhere in this thread. I
would draw the reader's attention to Moran's use of the redundant
"unsigned" editorial.

*Perhaps US newspapers are different, but here in Canada, "Editorials"
are "Editorials" - and are always unsigned.  The designation
customarily given to signed "guest" editorials is "Op[inion]
Ed[itorial]."  As far as I know, this "convention" is understood and
accepted by all who have a passing familiarity with more than the
sports and comics sections of a newspaper.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Jan  7 08:36:43 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: The "Bad" German gene--Karl Marx's Letter
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On 7 Jan 1997 00:54:28 GMT, in <5as6s4$77p@news.enter.net>,
yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>>  >  >  >   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>  
>>  >  >  >  "Marx, Karl Heinrich (1818-1883), German philospher of
>>  >  >  >  history....was born, May 5, 181, of Jewish parents  in
>>  >  >  >  the town of Treves (Trier) in Rhenish Prussia. In 1824
>>  >  >  >  his father, a lawyer, ... embraced Christianity and all
>>  >  >  >  members of the family were baptized as Protestants."
>    
>>  >  >  >  p. 993 of Volume 14 of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1962).
>  
>>  >  >  COMMENT:  Karl Marx is just what I wrote he was--the son of a Rabbi.  
>That
>>  >  >  his father decided to convert to Christianity does not change the fact that 
>he
>>  >  >  was a Rabbi.  Anything furhter to add to that?--rb
>  
>>  >  	Yes.  His father was was not a rabbi.  Read the above citation.
>
>>  Wrong, Yale, according to other sources, in particular, Karl Marx-Satanist--
>>  his father was indeed once a rabbi
>
>	Can you quote soe of those sources for us?
>
>	Or we will be treated to another rendition of the song "Tomorrow?"

Gee, Yale, perhaps Bookkeeper Belling was so busy counting his "Cash"
when he wrote this particular inane assertion, that he's confused Marx
with Al Jolson , the cantor who "converted" to jazz  - much to the
consternation of his father - who was either a rabbi or a cantor, as I
recall.

hro
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Mon, 06 Jan 1997 21:24:40 -0500, in <32D1B3E8.1C3@ibm.net>, Gord
McFee  wrote:

>Hilary Ostrov wrote:
>> 
>> Notwithstanding the References, I have not seen the following response
>> posted here yet - and I wouldn't want anyone to miss it.
>> 
[snip part of headers]
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>>         <32cf8687.50592610@news.uniserve.com>
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>> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1
>> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:07:31 EST
>> 
>> Ich hab eine tiefe sehnsucht in mir, nach Dir, nach Dir....ja. ich
>> sehn mich, ich sehn mich, nach Dir......
>> 
>> 
>
>Err... Ms. Ostrov, I am able to translate that passage, and will also
>anxiously await Mr. Blackmore's translation!  I will only say that he
>seems to have switched genders as to that for which he trolls!  

Are you suggesting, Mr. McFee, that one should not ask "for whom the
bell trolls, it trolls for me?"    Surely, not!  :>

[balance deleted]

Posted/e-mailed

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Jan  7 08:36:45 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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Subject: Re: Typical Unsigned Editorial
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On 6 Jan 1997 14:52:26 GMT, in
<19970106145000.JAA26967@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

[snip Mr. Thomas' "explanation" of Moran's 'evil Palestinian note.'
Why is it that those who mistakenly call themselves "revisionists" -
and who to this day cannot (or will not) articulate their criteria for
the  "proof" and/or "evidence" they perpetually demand - can never
resist an opportunity to engage in lengthy diatribes against the State
of Israel, knowing as they do that the State of Israel has no bearing
whatsoever on the historicity of the Holocaust.]

>And that's what Mr. Moran meant, in my opinion.  I didn't ask him, it just
>seems casual to the obvious observer.
>
>But you know, when I'm puzzled by someone's remarks and have an honest
>interest in knowing what they meant, I find it best to just ask them.  [...]

Actually, Mr. Thomas, in the post with which you seem to find such
fault, I _did_  in fact ask Moran the question.  Perhaps in your haste
to make your point you missed it.  So for those who have flakey
servers - and at the risk of incurring Mr. Thomas' further scorn for
my failure to conserve bandwidth - here is the relevant text (and
context) from my post:



[Moran]
>>	By delaying a Hebron agreement over these two issues, Mr.Arafat
>>is postponing further steps toward peace and giving fanatics on both
>>sides more time to do their worst." 	
>
[Moran]
>	One of the favorite words for these unsigned editorials, as with
>most letters, is the use of the word "but" with the following
>commentary wailing on the Palestinians.
>
>	We can take note that the unsigned editorial ends up on a 'evil
>Palestinian' note.

You and yourself can "take note of" whatever you want, Li'l Tommy.
But (sorry, I know you don't like that word) where on earth do you see
the  'evil Palestinian' note?  Are you fantacizing again? Tsk. Tsk.
Tsk.



In the further interest of bandwidth conservation, and notwithstanding
Mr. Thomas' very lengthy (but perhaps somewhat misleading*) statement
of the obvious with regard to editorials elsewhere in this thread. I
would draw the reader's attention to Moran's use of the redundant
"unsigned" editorial.

*Perhaps US newspapers are different, but here in Canada, "Editorials"
are "Editorials" - and are always unsigned.  The designation
customarily given to signed "guest" editorials is "Op[inion]
Ed[itorial]."  As far as I know, this "convention" is understood and
accepted by all who have a passing familiarity with more than the
sports and comics sections of a newspaper.

I must say though, Mr. Thomas, your attempts to rescue Moran from the
corners into which he paints himself will do about as much to enhance
his credibility as Ehrlich's oh-so-noble efforts to dress up the
boorish foul-mouthed troll.  Will Mr/Ms Blackmore/Belling/Tutu/Fafner
be your next rescue project?

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Tue Jan  7 08:36:46 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 01:59:12 GMT, in
<32e8ab9b.42362883@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran aka
the denier in search of a persona) wrote:

>>tom moran wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Friedrich Berg's UseNet articles are available via the Nizkor
>>> >Project, via URL
>
>Moran: 
>>>   Anything this Berg said, is what Berg said and is about him only,
>>> having nothing to do with anyone or anything else.
>
>"McFee":
>>You ought to try reading it, zeyde, before you comment.  Berg is one of
>>your "revisionist" "scholars".
>
>Zeyde:
>	Zeyde very seldom reads revisionist stuff. In fact Zeyde has
>never read a revisionist book. 

And from Moran's posts one might well wonder if Zeyde has ever read
_any_ book (except those with PHOTOS, of course!)

>[...]. A
>good many of the facts against the Holocaust story come right off of
>Nizkor. In fact Zeyde finds Nizkor a very good source for facts
>against the story.  Zeyde finds the best facts against the facts of
>the Holocaust story are it's own facts.

What's this I see?!  Two bursts of honesty from Moran in less than a
week?!  What is this world coming to?!  Indeed, Moran is quite correct
in that this so-called "Holocaust story" is an invention of the
so-called "revisionists."  

For the Holocaust is _not_ a story.  Rather it is the name by which a
series of events has come to be known. These events, the Holocaust,
resulted in the deaths of over 12 million innocent people (of whom
approximately 50% were Jewish), at the hands of Hitler and the Nazi
regime.

And indeed Nizkor is an excellent source for those who seek the
_facts_  -  as well as for  those who seek  the "stories" that the
"revisionists" would have their dwindling audience believe.

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  8 05:43:44 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 8 Jan 1997 04:45:43 GMT, in
,
slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) wrote:

Mr. Slepokura, since the Pollard case has no bearing on anything
relating to the topic of this newsgroup, I'm sure you will forgive me
for snipping most of your post.  However ...

>
>The fact Pollard agreed to betray American interests for money. He was greedy.

So you say.  But speaking of greedy, and bringing your post a little
closer to the topic of this newsgroup, you are aware of course that
Ernst Zundel derives considerable income from, amongst other things,
selling proven forgeries, such as the Lachout Document.  Would you
call him greedy, Mr. Slepokura?

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  8 05:43:45 PST 1997
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On 7 Jan 1997 11:23:19 GMT, in <5atbn7$7gq@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>> 
>SNIP
>
>COMMENT:  Briefly I will state that I accept the admission of the man who
>captured and beat Hoess into making a confession as valid evidence as far
>as I am concerned.  He boasted about it.  He admitted it.  

Hmmm.... I don't suppose you have a source for this "admission," Mr/Ms
Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner?

While one can certainly appreciate your desire to be brief, I really
do think you might address at least _part_ of the post you have
"dropped" in your response.  I know you wouldn't want to be accused of
running away from your words - or, perish the thought, leaving a
dangling thread, as your friend Ehrlich so often liked to do.  So I've
put some of it back in for you:



"rblackmore" admonished:

Do not quote another phony witness, please.  

d.A. answers:

As ever, I did not. 
By all means do post a list of "phony witnesses"
I have quoted, provided sustainable evidence that
they are "phony".

"rblackmore"  cannot contain him-/her-/itself:

As to your comments about Hoess, et. al.,
they do not address the issue that torture was used to obtain false
testimony.  If you wish to accept testimony under such conditions,
then, by default, you must a priori admit that the confessions made
by Jews admitting to heinous crimes of ritual murder, including the
murder of infants, is true and accurate, as there is more than enough
testimony to prove it.

d.A. answers, as ever, with unwarranted civility:

I made *no* comments about Hoess et al. 
I simply challenged you to abide by the i
standards you set.

If you claim that Hoess was tortured, it is up to
you to provide evidence for that claim.
Where is the forensic evidence? 
Where are the untainted documents?
Where are the photographs?
Where are the orders?

When you have provided these, I will
gladly accept that any document he signed
as a result of torture is inadmissible.



>
>As to Power, he will receive no apology from me as his behavior towards myself
>and others does not warrant any such civilities.--rb

Ah!  I see that you have taken to damning yourself again, Mr/Ms
Blackmore/Belling/Tutu/Fafner.  

Oh, btw, when _are_ you (or your friend, Ehrlich) going to post that
little translation I requested?  I know that you will be quite busy
digging up all the evidence to substantiate your claims in the above
material I've put back for you.  But I really would like to know when
I might expect to see this translation.

hro

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From hostrov@uniserve.com Wed Jan  8 16:18:33 PST 1997
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From: hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
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On 7 Jan 1997 11:01:51 GMT, in <5ataev$6fq@juliana.sprynet.com>,
rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   Gord McFee  writes:
>
>
[deletia]

>>  
>>  You are losing Mr. Blackmore.  Just like Giwer did before he sank into
>>  his current fit of obscenity, forgery, cowardice and abuse.  What are
>>  *you* going to do?
>>  
>COMMENT:  I will say this:  [...]  I have demonstrated over and over 
>again that I am capable of reasoned debate[...]

And I will say this, Mr/Ms Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner: I have seen
you demonstrate that you are *capable* of doing many things "over and
over again" (and an equal number of which you are *culpable*);
however, I regret that I have never seen you demonstrate that you are
capable of "reasoned debate."

hro
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From hostrov@uniserve.com Thu Jan  9 00:07:13 PST 1997
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On 5 Jan 1997 06:05:34 GMT, in <5angbe$hmk@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il>,
schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Keith Morrison (lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
>
>: Silly American person, try visiting Cavendish beach on Prince Edward
>: Peninsula (that large ugly outcrop of New Brunswick) in summer.
>
>Which three days will that be?  I want to be sure to mark my calendar.
>
>(BTW, I was once on the coast of New Hampshire, where the water is about
>two dgrees above freezing even during the summer -- and the place was 
>full of Canadians who had decided to go swimming somewhere where the
>water was *warm*.)

That's the problem with those East Coastie Canucks, they give us true
Canadians (who inhabit the best coast) a bad name :>) 

[And for all the gloating easterners:  I have no pictures of the
recently alleged BC blizzard.  So it didn't happen]

hro
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