From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 1 22:02:43 PDT 1996 Article: 61592 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net.!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi. Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:42:45 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5LVAoOev1CI0065yn@login.dknet.dk> References:<4vo6hd$9d4@news.enter.net> <0DQ8oOev1SKB065yn@login.dknet.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:61592 soc.culture.german:84690 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >In article <0DQ8oOev1SKB065yn@login.dknet.dk>, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole >Kreiberg) wrote: > >[snip] > >> Did the America First movement want to abolish the American constitution >> and make the USA into a dictatorship. If not, you do not have the right to >> call them nazis. > >Silly Nazi. Of _course_ I (or Mr. Edeiken) the the (Constituionallly >protected) right to call members of the America First movement Nazis. Of >course, it also helps, from a argumentative point, that they also >supported the Nazis and shared their ideological bed. > But don't you have laws against slander and libel in the USA? If somebody calls me a nazi in public and I sue him he will actually have to prove that I am nazi. A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be libel to call somebody a nazi. There have also been several cases in DK where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti- immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won their cases. Remember that the term "racist" and in particular "nazi" are very negatively charged, and you should therefore be very carefull by labelling somebody with these terms in order to avoid to be taken to the court. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 1 22:02:44 PDT 1996 Article: 61593 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net.!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi! Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:04:43 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <07w9oOev1eXH065yn@login.dknet.dk> <3229D2CE.31F2@twics.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:61593 soc.culture.german:84691 In article <3229D2CE.31F2@twics.com>, Rene v. Rentzell wrote: >Ole Kreiberg wrote: > >> On the contrary. I have always spoken out against the immigration from >> the third world and the multi-ethnic society. So how could I be regarded >> a traitor? During the WW2 a traitor was one that *acted* pro-German. > >But Ole, you *do* realize that saying this makes a racist and worse >hereabouts? The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.) >You see, Denmark might only have 5 million people, but it does not >have a right to preserve its culture. In Denmark today the word traitor is reserved for those that promote immigration, and they have not even tried to win a case in the court for being called so in public. >Immigrating third worlders, >however, most certainly do. Come on, drink a glass of Gin, listen >to Big Brother, and you'll start to love it too. HM. This would indeed be a despicable and cowarly attitude. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 1 23:28:28 PDT 1996 Article: 84689 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!mr.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net.!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:47:37 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <4i63p3$l5@axl02it.ntc.nokia.com> <503d1b$ldn@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.european-union:5821 soc.culture.nordic:46975 soc.culture.german:84689 In article <503d1b$ldn@duke.telepac.pt>, Leonardo Melo Pared wrote: > > Singapore are not lean against a large market as Japan. Denmark are! > One of the problems will be if Denmark stay outside of a united Europe >already with the Euro, defining the most powerful economy of the world. No >one will go invest there, not even the largest Denmark enterprizes. But what about Norway and Switzerland? Will no one invest there too because they do not have this silly Euro currency? Will the Swiss Franc stop being a very strong currency after the introduction of the Euro in the EU? -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 2 09:28:21 PDT 1996 Article: 61613 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 22:07:20 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98139 alt.revisionism:61613 alt.politics.white-power:41642 soc.culture.europe:47418 soc.culture.german:84704 In article <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote: > That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone >loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the >Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas. > This is the way that Joseph McCarthy and the Commitee against Anti-American Activities in USA in fifties spoke about communism. Nazism is even much more unlikely to take over anywhere today than communism was and still is. Germany is an openly paranoid country with political prisoners and disgrace for democracy in Europe. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 2 09:28:23 PDT 1996 Article: 61614 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!jussieu.fr!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 21:47:53 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98140 alt.revisionism:61614 alt.politics.white-power:41643 soc.culture.europe:47419 soc.culture.german:84705 In article , Joel Rosenberg wrote: > >Well, yes, he did. He violated German and Danish law by sending Nazi >propaganda into their countries. Nonsens. He did not violate any Danish laws by sending propaganda to Denmark. If he had done so he would have been convicted while being in custody in Denmark. His American organisation is still printing the magazine "Faedrelandet" (The Fatherland) of the Danish Naziparty. The content of this magazine is fully legal in Denmark. *He had not violated any laws in Denmark*. Just ask those courts that allowed him to be extradited. He was extradited because of German political pressure and intimidation. The Americans can never imagine how it has always been for small Denmark to have such an unpleasant neighbour country. The USA has the strongest army in the world and is armed to the teeth nuclear weapons and has not to fear anyone. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 2 10:25:11 PDT 1996 Article: 41635 of alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.structured.net!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net.!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi! Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:34:29 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <504j05$d13@molokini.conterra.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article <504j05$d13@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker wrote: > Ole, here we go again. On the white power ng, these same >clones are insisting they never call anybody a Nazi, and that >there is no such thing as a traitor, since I call them race >traitors. > As for this clown, Hitler died over half a century ago. >Traitors are people like you who call immigration and >integration the Final Solution to race problem. But a traitor to what? Certainly not my country or race. >Since this >immigration and integration will only do away with one race, >the white race, it is the Final Solution to the White Problem. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 2 18:36:18 PDT 1996 Article: 61763 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 20:31:55 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98332 alt.revisionism:61763 alt.politics.white-power:41731 soc.culture.europe:47460 soc.culture.german:84802 In article , Dave Harman OBC wrote: > > The mere fact that Denmark never enforced their anti-racist laws does not >mean that racism is legal in Denmark! There is in Denmark no law that mentions racism. However, there is a heavily disputed law (section 266B of the penal code) that makes it illegal to insult, debase or persecute a group of people because of race, nationality, religion and sexual orientation. However, this law can of course not overrule the constitution in which the freedom of speech is made statutory. This is mentioned by the legislators in the comments to this law. The Danish politicians often admit that this is a very stupid law and it is only made in order to please a UN convention. They say that the only reason for not removing this silly law is that it will be a "wrong" polical massage to send to the ethnic minorities in Denmark, and furthermore what would the other nations think if Denmark was the only nation that did so? There is a permanent strong political pressure to repeal this law. In some of the older lawbooks you can read in the comments to the law that most people regard it unconstitutional. Even if this law was enforced with no regards to the constitution it would still be legal to be a racialist and express racialist views as long as you just abstain from insulting, debasing or persecuting somebody because of race, nationality, religion and sexual orientation. To critisize somebody e.g. the Jews and their influence is not the same as insulting, debasing or persecuting them. The same is the case with e.g. uttering your utmost disgust against multiracialism and misgecenation, because this utterance is not directing on any particular ethnic group. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 3 09:26:46 PDT 1996 Article: 84812 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!imci2!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 21:22:12 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 100 Message-ID: References: <4i63p3$l5@axl02it.ntc.nokia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.european-union:5822 soc.culture.nordic:46979 soc.culture.german:84812 In article , Martin Paegert wrote: >Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote: > >> In article , Martin Paegert wrote: > >> >History can show that, whenever people made statements like the cited, >> >mass killings were the outcome. > >> Show me one example outside of Germany in the 20th century. > >Yugoslavia, Ruanda, Burundi, Sudan, Indonesia, Armenia/Aserbaidchan, >Iraq, Turkey, China (PROC), South Africa just to mention some. > The tension between the various groups were not created by some agitation or statements. In e.g. the former Yugoslavia it was already there but was supressed by the communist dictatorship and ideology. When the dictatorship was removed these tensions rapidly ascended to the surface. The same was the case when democracy came to Denmark in the middle of the 19th century. While the new Danish constitution was written, civil war broke out between the German population in Slesvig-Holsten and Denmark. This came spontanously and not because of some agitation. The tensions had been there for centuries but were ignited by this new constitution. The Germans think that it so important to learn from history. But why is it only the period from 1932 to 1945 they want learn from? Why do they not want to remember the rest of history? I think that you can learn a lot from the war of 1848-51 about why the formation of an European Union should be avoided. The closer the different nationalities or ethnic groups are forced to live together the more tension will crop up. These tensions are not created by agitation but they rather arise spontaniously in consequence of the differences between the different groups. You see this phenomenon all over the world. To me Helmuth Kohl with his wild-eyed plans for a united Europe is just as big a maniac as Hitler with his Neuropa plan. Grosswirtschaftraum was the slogan of the German nazis. This ugly Kohl is trying to accomplish by peaceful means what the Germans were not able to accomplish by aggressive means in WW1 and WW2. > >> miscegenation created those political, economical and social conditions >> which prevails in Latin America. > >Feel free to explain how. I mean is there a gene granting economical, >social and cultural success to the white man or - to be more general - to >pure races ? No races are equal, and neither the individuals within the same race are equal in inherent abilities. They may be equal towards the law, but that is all. In Latin America, a country like Costa Rica is much whiter than the other countries in tropical Latin America and is much more developed and political stable. The southern Brazil with a predominant white population is much more developed than the north east with a predominant negro and mullatto population. >How is the purity of races determined biologically ? I do >mean _real_ biology not the socio-darvinistic derivatives. (To all >biologists: Be assured that I know, social darvinism is _no_ biological >derivative but an ideology instrumentalizing biological schemes, but at >least lingually it is.) The problem is that we do not know enough about races, allthough the the meaning of the inherent differences is quite obvious. > >Let's have a look on "miscegenation created economical conditions". A >violation of arbritrary, human made, pseudo-natural "biological" categories >does create economical conditions ? How that ? Seems no better than the >medieval explanation of "God did strafe them as they do not believe in >real God". > > >> In Latinamerica the choise is between a Castro, a Pinochet or chaos. > >Oh, really ? Hmmm, of course it might have occured as being chaotic to >United Fruit and others if a government does oppose them concerning having >the control of the ressources of a country. But as you don't see any >problem with it, Well this is a problem between these countries and the USA. >you would not object about 75 % of the property in >Denmark being in posession of let's say German companies and privateers ? > This would of course be a problem between Denmark and Germany. It is one of the strong reasons why I and the Danish left wing are so heavily against the EU. As long as Denmark is outside the EU it can take counter measures against the danger of German economical domination. Within the EU it will be abandonned. To be in favour of the EU is the same as being traitors like those Danes that supported Germany in 1940-45. >By the way: why do you object the EC ? And why to you complain about >"German interference and hegemony" ? > See above. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 4 16:50:10 PDT 1996 Article: 62381 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:46:31 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7RWBoOev1iQD065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: <322D0FF8.41E3@netvigator.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98772 alt.revisionism:62381 alt.politics.white-power:41972 soc.culture.europe:47534 soc.culture.german:85000 In article <322D0FF8.41E3@netvigator.com>, TsuiDB wrote: > To sum up simply, it would be exceedingly bizarre for Denmark (or any >country) to extradite anyone for something which did not constitute an >offense in Denmark. Whether or not Denmark's prosecutors would exercise >their discretion to prosecute that offense within Denmark is an entirely >separate question. > Denmark acted under pressure like it did in 1941 when the Danish communist party was forbidden and 300 communists arrested. The latter was clearly an unconstitutional act. What the former is I am not so sure of. But one thing is for sure, this extradition case stinks. Lauck's activities were directed against Germany and he would in any case have been asked to leave the country after the expiry of his 3 monthes visitor's permit. Because Lauck does not speak Danish he has not produced any propagandamaterial to Denmark. The nazi magazine in Danish that is printed in his headquarter in the USA is written by Danes in Denmark who have taken account for the Danish legislation. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 4 23:30:20 PDT 1996 Article: 62466 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wagner.spc.videotron.ca!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news.corpcomm.net!funny.bahnhof.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Sara, the great grammarian Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:49:02 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: > >Well, for certain, you nattering Nazi twit, she is smarter tha _you_! ^^^^ > Because she has learned how to spell? :-D :-D By the way I have traced a mis-spelling in your text above which proves that you are not as smart as the great Sara, who was number one in spelling in her primary school. Or maybe Sara just have got a new spell check program to her computer that she is very proud of. Unfortunately I do not have one that is able to work together with my external newsreader that I apply for writing follow-ups and articles to the newsnet. The great Sara must be the pet aversion of people with dyslexia. ;-) -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 15:42:29 PDT 1996 Article: 62707 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!icarus.lon.hookup.net!hookup!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!hermod.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:23:51 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <50lf7m$3f4@mag6.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98981 alt.revisionism:62707 alt.politics.white-power:42075 soc.culture.europe:47567 soc.culture.german:85100 In article <50lf7m$3f4@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote: >In article <322D0FF8.41E3@netvigator.com>, >TsuiDB wrote: >> >>... To sum up simply, it would >>be exceedingly bizarre for Denmark (or any country) to extradite anyone >>for something which did not constitute an offense in Denmark. > _________________________________________________________________ > > By Lars Foyen > COPENHAGEN, June 6 (Reuter) - A Danish district court on > Tuesday approved a German request for the extradition of U.S. > neo-Nazi leader Gary Lauck, suspected of smuggling banned hate > literature into Germany for two decades. > > While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi > symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and > other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited > by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police. >* But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal >* attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it >* possible to extradite him. Bah, the bloody Roskilde kangaroo court! There was so much secretiveness in this case. How can Lauck violate a Danish law in the USA? Is the USA within the Danish jurisdiction? Does that mean that if I am driving 90 mph (app. 140 kmph) on the expressway in Germany where there are no speed limits, and I then go to the USA where there are speed limits which are taken very seriously, that I may expect to receive a fine for speeding in Germany? Several law professors were quoted in Danish newspapers for saying that his "violation" in the USA could give 15 days in jail at most in Denmark? In order to extradite somebody he must have done something that could give at least one year of prison in Denmark. This was a case of German pressure, hegemony and intimidation of the Danish authorities not seen alike since 1940-45, and Germany will have to pay for this foul act - not for convicting Lauck but for involving Denmark in it's bizarre and paranoid nazi-hunting. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 16:27:02 PDT 1996 Article: 42081 of alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!hermod.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:01:06 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98998 alt.revisionism:62723 alt.politics.white-power:42081 soc.culture.europe:47574 soc.culture.german:85106 In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote: > >Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print >Anti-Semitic hate materials. He also published detailed manuals and >instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic >devises. If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 17:04:22 PDT 1996 Article: 84987 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Trade between Europe and the Third World Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:14:12 -0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <4vvfa0$j1i@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.european-union:5835 soc.culture.nordic:46995 soc.culture.german:84987 In article , Ole Kreiberg wrote: > The following is a translation of a letter to the editor of the social >democratic Danish newpaper, Det Frie Aktuelt. It was printed as a >commentary just below the editorial on 18.08.1996. > I am sorry that I made a mistake. The correct date is 18.08.1994 -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 17:04:23 PDT 1996 Article: 85097 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!newshost.convex.com!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!news.seinf.abb.se!news.tip.net!newsfeed.tip.net!cph-2.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german Subject: Trade between Europe and the Third World Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:47:53 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <4vvfa0$j1i@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.european-union:5838 soc.culture.nordic:47005 soc.culture.german:85097 The following is a translation of a letter to the editor of the social democratic Danish newpaper, Det Frie Aktuelt. It was printed as a commentary just below the editorial on 18.08.1996. Shall the Social Welfare Vanish into Thin Air? By Ole Kreiberg I have often heard the allegation that if you give the industrial goods of the third world free access to the markets of the wealthy countries, that would be the solution to the problems of the third world. It is not that simple. The capital does usually according to the economical natural laws move to where the biggest profit is. There is much more profit in producing goods in a third world country where the labour costs are e.g. 50 cent per hour, and then exporting them to an industrialized country where there is the highest possible spending power. When an industrial company moves it's production or a part of it's production to a third world country, does this mean lower prices to the consumers in the wealthy countries? Usually not, it only means higher profit for the invested capital. The ideal situation for the third world countries would be, that since they are capable of producing goods at very low costs, these goods should first and foremost be sold at similiar low prices to their own populations. That would mean a real improvement of the standard of living there. The demand from the rich countries is making the prices increace in the third world countries, while the low production costs in the third world are creating unemployment in the rich countries. This unemployment has a sweating effect on wages in the rich countries. Danish politicians are already talking about lowering the minimum wage and thereby gradually creating a shabby proletariat. Therefore this trade is neither beneficial for the poor in the third world countries nor the badly off in the industrialized nations. The only one that benefits from this situation is the capital and may be also some of the usefull idiots of the capital on the political left wing that hereby get some more poor people to feign solidarity with. I should like by this letter to ask the social democratic party and the labour unions whether the so-called new world order needs unskilled and badly off Danes at all? Are they going to scrape through as street vendors and shoeshiners and gradually sink down to the level of the majority of the populations in third world? Are the social welfare that the social democratic party and the labour unions have created the last 60 years going to vanish into thin air in the new world order? Shall all industrial production move to the third world and be produced under slavery-like conditions? I think that many of the traditional voters of the social democratic party would like to get an answer to these questions. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 17:04:24 PDT 1996 Article: 85106 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!hermod.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:01:06 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98998 alt.revisionism:62723 alt.politics.white-power:42081 soc.culture.europe:47574 soc.culture.german:85106 In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote: > >Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print >Anti-Semitic hate materials. He also published detailed manuals and >instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic >devises. If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 5 17:26:59 PDT 1996 Article: 62723 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!mcsun!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!hermod.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:01:06 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:98998 alt.revisionism:62723 alt.politics.white-power:42081 soc.culture.europe:47574 soc.culture.german:85106 In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote: > >Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print >Anti-Semitic hate materials. He also published detailed manuals and >instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic >devises. If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 6 21:32:52 PDT 1996 Article: 63044 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.math.psu.edu!news.iag.net!insync!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.corpcomm.net!funny.bahnhof.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi. Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:23:24 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <5LVAoOev1CI0065yn@login.dknet.dk> <50gnnr$93j@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article <50gnnr$93j@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: > >> A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship >> as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be >> libel to call somebody a nazi. > > An American jury would laugh at this argument. > In that case I would ask the jury the following the question: "Can Nazis be democratic? Since when have the nazis dropped the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip)? And since when have the nazis embraced the social welfare state as I do?" *You cannot be a nazi if you are not in favour of dictatorship*. > > >> There have also been several cases in DK >> where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist >> is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that >> one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti- >> immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won >> their cases. > > You, on the other hand, have advocated those views. > You are lying. I have never advocated the right of one race to rule other races. This would have meant that I am tolerating different races living within the same state which I certainly do not. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 7 09:23:35 PDT 1996 Article: 63057 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:19:00 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99284 alt.revisionism:63057 alt.politics.white-power:42188 soc.culture.europe:47620 soc.culture.german:85214 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >Lauck was arrested in Denmark because the Danish judiciary suspected >him of breaking Danish law. This is not true. He was arrested after Germany had ordered Denmark to do so. How would he have been able to break Danish anti-racist laws when he was not able to speak the language? You will find no case in Denmark in this century where somebody has been jailed just because of his political attitudes. Exceptions for this rule is the period 1940-45 and now the Lauck case and both times Germany was the culprit. Please point out something concrete he had done against Danish law in Denmark while he was visiting local nazis. I have never heard of anything. In the last decades there has been an outright nazi-party in Denmark, and this party has published innumeral magazines and pamphlets and there has not been raised a single case against them, because they have adapted their material to these laws. (This means that they have avoided expressions as "subhumans", "mud races" etc.). Gerhard Lauck has obviously not taken Danish laws into account when he wrote his German stuff in the USA. That was the *only thing* that the Danish Kangaroo courts had against him. >While he was in Danish custody, the German >judiciary requested his extradiction, and a Danish court ruled that >he could be extradicted according to Danish law. He was then >transported to Germany - but I doubt he went in chains. Closed van >sounds more likely. The German authorities had hired a special airplane for the purpose. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 7 09:23:36 PDT 1996 Article: 63075 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!washington.Capitol.Net!news.abs.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:01:17 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99306 alt.revisionism:63075 soc.culture.europe:47623 soc.culture.german:85220 In article <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote: > > >"Shall declare an offence punishable by law all dissemination >of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement >to racial discrimination, as well as all acts of violence >or incitement to such acts against any race or group of >persons of another colour or ethnic origin, and also the >provision of any assistance to racist activities, including >the financing thereof...." > >-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of > Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a). > I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 7 09:23:37 PDT 1996 Article: 63084 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi! Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 10:37:45 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9Y1BoOev1OZ1065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: <50g2v7$2ds@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article <50g2v7$2ds@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: >> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: > >> The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if >> you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You >> must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right >> to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist >> in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.) > > You have done so, nazi-boy. > > --YFE I have never advocated that one race should have the right to rule over other races. This will inevitablely lead to miscegenation in the long run. I have just advocated that the races should live seperately. That would be the best for all and in particular the weaker races. -- Ole Kreiberg http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 7 18:07:02 PDT 1996 Article: 63275 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 22:41:46 -0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI> <50n1q1$3ad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99467 alt.revisionism:63275 alt.politics.white-power:42300 soc.culture.europe:47642 soc.culture.german:85275 In article <50n1q1$3ad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote: >In article , >Ole Kreiberg wrote: >>In article <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote: >>> That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone >>>loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the >>>Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas. >>> >> This is the way that Joseph McCarthy and the Commitee against >>Anti-American Activities in USA in fifties spoke about communism. Nazism is >>even much more unlikely to take over anywhere today than communism was and >>still is. Germany is an openly paranoid country with political prisoners >>and disgrace for democracy in Europe. > >Well there was a point in opposing communism, but the methods were all >wrong. Instead of just making spreading of communist material illegal, >they instituted witch hunts that were not based on any law. > >Has they banned spreading communist material and then given the accused >fair trial and not used excessive punishments, then I would not have so >much against it. Of course the US has never been a communist country, so >the situation is not comparable. > If you ban a certain political ideology or the spred of certain written political material you have no longer the right to be called a democracy. Germany is a phony democracy like the former DDR (East Germany = The German Democratic Republic) allthough it has still not reached the same level, it seems rapidly to head in that direction. Remember DDR was fighting an everlasting fascist threat. It even had to built a wall between east and west Berlin which was called something like:" The wall to protection against fascism". The present equally paranoid Federal German Republic is fighting a battle against some great nazi threat which only seems to exits in it's unreal delusions. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 7 18:07:03 PDT 1996 Article: 63276 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:44:39 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net> <50nlqp$mc2@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99468 alt.revisionism:63276 alt.politics.white-power:42301 soc.culture.europe:47643 soc.culture.german:85276 In article <50nlqp$mc2@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote: >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >> >> If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for >>thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent? > >I assume you have a copy of the indictment where he was charged for >"thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent"? Please post this >document, which I am sure will be fascinating. As I have said before there were a lot of secretiveness about this case. When the case was pending, I called the leader of the Danish nazi-party, Johni Hansen and asked him what Lauck had "done". He referred to a label with the text (in German): "The Jews are guilty in our distress". No matter how ridiculous and how much you may disagree with an argument like this it is obvious that it has nothing to do with crime, and proves that this case was all political persecution and was against the Danish constitution. I have read a lot of statements in Denmark harsher than that about ethnic minorities. But no Danish court would never dare to convict a Dane to jail on this unconstitutional law. This would create too much political tensions that could seriously threaten the political stability in Denmark. Therefore I think that all Danish politicians find it very convenient if only Germany is blamed for this deed. > >In the meantime, I wonder whether any of you Defenders of Freedom (tm) >would like to comment on why the Zionist Communists that control Germany >are actually expending more effort suppressing far-left self-described >anti-fascists. Obviously a ZOG trick. It couldn't be that the German >national security establishment, just like any other national security >establishment, is concerned about any lunatic-fringe group that poses a >threat to society, regardless of "ideology." > Germany also proves it's anti-democratic nature when it persecutes left- winged groups. The German word "Berufsverbot" (exclusion from government jobs of politically reasons) is already adopted in the Danish language and is very negatively charged. No Danish company - private or government - would like to be accused of "Berufverbot". In Germany "Berufsverbot" has hit mostly the political left wing. The persecution of the left wing in Germany is just as despicable as the persecution of the right wing and proves the fundamental weakness of the German "democracy", -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 8 08:01:48 PDT 1996 Article: 63459 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 09:20:20 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <322F5785.1ADD@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99583 alt.revisionism:63459 alt.politics.white-power:42366 soc.culture.europe:47658 soc.culture.german:85314 In article <322F5785.1ADD@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote: > >For one small example, I am myself in favor of racial separatism and >self-determination for Whites in an all-White racial state. I further >believe that America should never have fought on the side of the >Communists during World War II, and that a victory by the anti-Comintern >powers would have been much better for America than the reverse. Should I >be jailed for propagating these views through the mails or on the >Internet? > >Please tell me what _your_ view is on this. We already know about the >"laws" of Germany and Denmark. > In 1994 I spent 6 monthes in the USA where I listened to your radio program "American Dissident Voices" every saturday evening. Your radio program and all the material of the National Alliance that I have seen, seem to be acceptable according to the Danish legislation. The ideas themselves are not forbidden in Denmark. It is only certain rhetorics. One of the most wellknown German revisionists and nazi-"apologists", Thies Christophersen has lived in exile in Denmark for more than 10 years, and the courts have refused to extradite him and have ruled that nothing of what he has written has been severe enough to have violated Danish laws. Because of his presence in Denmark there had been the fear that real hardcore nazis would regard Denmark as a safe heaven for printing a distrubuting nazi material to Germany. This is the background for the German pressure which let to arrest and extradition of Gerhard Lauck. This has not so much to with laws as with the wish of scaring foreign nazis from settle down in Denmark in order to please to German government. Posted and e-mailed. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 9 08:20:52 PDT 1996 Article: 63733 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!iafrica.com!pipex-sa.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:28:44 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <50lf7m$3f4@mag6.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99784 alt.revisionism:63733 alt.politics.white-power:42520 soc.culture.europe:47679 soc.culture.german:85379 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >[quote showing that a Danish court extradicted Lauck to Germany, because >he had also violated Danish law. - Thanks Mr. Eisenberger for that info] > > >Lauck was sentenced for crimes committed IN GERMANY! - The publishing >of the "NS - Kampfruf" containing incitement to racial hatred and >denial of the holocaust. This does not explain how he could possibly have broken the law in Denmark by producing some magazines and pamphlets in the USA about the Jews and then mailing them to Germany. How can that be a problem within Danish jurisdiction? If Germany wanted him extradited they should have gone to the American embassy in Bonn and not the Danish. Why did Germany have to embarrass the Danish public by involving Denmark in it's silly and paranoid Nazi hunt at all? Why can you Germans not just built a wall around Germany as protection against ubiquitous foreign nazis that constantly are threatening the fragile German democracy. The DDR did something like that, and they called it the "the wall for protection against fascism". You could call yours "the wall for protection against nazism". And do not forget to shoot all Germans on sight that try to escape to the ugly nazi world outside this wall. ;-) -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 9 08:20:53 PDT 1996 Article: 63749 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:32:07 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com> <50ufg9$g4u@sol.caps.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99810 alt.revisionism:63749 soc.culture.europe:47681 soc.culture.german:85399 In article <50ufg9$g4u@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote: >In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says... > >>>-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of >>> Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a). >>> >>I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention. > >Or maybe to scrap your silly and useless posts ;) > >Should we take a vote? > In a constitional democracy you have the right to critisize and be in opposition to every law and convention. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 9 08:20:54 PDT 1996 Article: 63750 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:23:01 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com> <50qh5k$f5@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:63750 alt.censorship:99811 soc.culture.german:85402 soc.culture.europe:47682 In article <50qh5k$f5@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote: >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: >>In article <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote: >>> >>>-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of >>> Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a). >>> >>I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention. > >Sorry. Denmark is a full signatory, without reservations. A few >reservations relating to implementation in the Faeroe Islands were >withdrawn October 4th, 1972. > >If you believe that Denmark is entitled under international law to >discriminate against Jews and other people you don't like, you should >bring it up with your MP. You should also request that Denmark withdraw >from the Convention on Genocide, as some of your proposals contravene that >convention, too. These conventions do not overrule the Danish constitution that gives the citizens the freedom of speech. That is why I can agitate in public against the disgusting multi-ethnic society and the stupid multiracial ideology. Without the full freedom of speech you do not have a true democracy. The freedom of speech can only be limited by slander and libel. The anti-racist law (section 266B) of the penal code forbits you to insult, debase and persecute somebody because of race, nationality, religion and sexual orientation. Your statements about *specific* groups must have the character of slander and libel and be of a certain gravity in order to no longer be protected by the freedom of speech (section 77 of the constitution). E.g. there is not enough gravity in expressions such as "dumb, superficiuos and uncouth Yanks", "megalomaniac and dishonest Yids" "mad Krauts" or "cheese-paring Scots" I certainly agree that Denmark should withdraw from those silly UN conventions as quick as possible, and as a citizen in a democracy I have of course my legal right to advocate that view in public. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 9 19:33:31 PDT 1996 Article: 63925 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 23:00:19 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx <50ruij$1k82@sol.caps.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:99933 alt.revisionism:63925 soc.culture.europe:47710 soc.culture.german:85497 In article <50ruij$1k82@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote: > >There was no punishment for what Gary Lauck was thinking. But there was for expressing those thoughts in public. >If you want, you >can travel through Germany and think all the neo-Nazi thoughts you wish. You >can fantasize about racist pogroms all you want. It's only when you act on >those thoughts that you risk breaking the law and being put into prison. What you and the German government call laws in this connection have nothing to do with laws but it is rather measures for political repression. You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does not have a criminal character. Everyone, also the criminals, knows what crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done anything criminal. His political ideology may be disgusting and extremely antagonistic to the German political establishment but it is not criminal. A lot of the historical German nazis and Soviet communists may have committed acts that can be regarded criminal, but Lauck has not. He has only committed thought-"crimes". Politically he is an absolute nonentity with no influence on any real events at all. Right now he has attained the status of political prisoner which I am sure must have boosted his self- esteem. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 10 17:31:11 PDT 1996 Article: 64241 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:45:08 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <50qh5k$f5@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <511sj1$le6@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:64241 alt.censorship:100174 soc.culture.german:85643 soc.culture.europe:47730 In article <511sj1$le6@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote: > >But according to you, it's libel to call you a Nazi (see your post "It is >libel to call me Nazi"). Yes because I am not. > >I find this disjunction strange. Can people speak freely, or can't they? >Is there some fine legal point I'm missing that distinguishes >"megalomaniac and dishonest Yids" from "you fucking Nazi"? Not that I'm a >fan of such anguage myself. > To call somebody a nazi is much more severe than just critisizing the character of some ethnic groups in general terms. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 10 19:07:02 PDT 1996 Article: 64269 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi! Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:28:30 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 26 Message-ID: <-rTDoOev1ieT065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: <07w9oOev1eXH065yn@login.dknet.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:64269 soc.culture.german:85652 In article , Martin Paegert wrote: >Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote: > >> Today the problem is all those people from the ethnic minorities from >> the third world who have "invaded" my country. > >According to my records the "invasion" in terms of percentage of >inhabitans does consist of > > Turkish 0.5 % > Swedish 0.4 % > British 0.2 % > Yusoslavia 0.2 % > ---------------- > Sum 1.3 % of inhabitants do not have Danish citizenship > ================ Hey why have you omitted all the Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians, Vietnamese, Africans etc. And what about all thousands of third worlders that each year are granted citizensship? What about all the adopted children from the third world and the children of mixed ancestry? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 11 15:01:37 PDT 1996 Article: 64445 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!flagship.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi. Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:59:59 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 15 Message-ID: <$trCoOev10w6065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: <50qnn3$ktn@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article <50qnn3$ktn@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: > > This is such utter nonsense that it is unbeleivabler. You have openly >stated that you are a white supremacist. You have openly supported white >supremacist and neo-nazi organizations. Your own program calls for depriving >people of citizneship based on race and expelling them from their own country. If >you believe in "democracy" the moon is made of green cheese. > I can see no reason for changing the Danish political and social system just because I want to do away the horrible multiethnic society. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 11 17:08:05 PDT 1996 Article: 100377 of alt.censorship Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:06:14 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6doDoOev1WUE065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100377 alt.revisionism:64478 soc.culture.europe:47761 soc.culture.german:85783 In article <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote: >In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says... > >>You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does >>not have a criminal character. > >Sure it does. In Germany it's criminal to spread Nazi propaganda. That >isn't a thought crime, its a crime against certain acts. > Well I remember that Pinochet called marxism criminal and had marxists arrested only because they were outspoken marxists. My question to you is: Do you consider marxists criminals just because Pinochet and the Chilean government said so? Why should I consider nazism criminal just because the German government with it's silly "laws" say so? I say that you cannot make political ideas criminal just because you are strongly opposed to them. You can oppress political ideas but you cannot make people believe that they are "criminal". Most people easily understand the difference between political suppression and crime prevention. >Whether or not you think it *should* be a crime is another matter. > >> Everyone, also the criminals, knows what >>crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done >>anything criminal. > >Wrong. He has broken the law. That makes him a criminal. What do you think about all the "witches" and heretics that the Christian churches burned at stake some centuries ago? Were they criminals or something similiar just because the church claimed so? Or Jesus Christ, for that matter, who was sentenced to death by the Roman authorities. Had he done some crimes that might have justified his crucifixion? And what about unfaithful women that are stoned or flocked in Islamic fundamentalist countries like Iran? What do you think about Salman Rushdie? Is he a dangerous criminal just because the Iranian government says so? He had broken Iranian "laws" by defaming the Islamic religion the same way that revisionists in Germany and France have broken the "laws" by defaming the holocaust cult. > >You apparently still have problems with the English language. The >definitions of these terms are very clear. > >If you wish to argue the merits of greater free speech (Germany is one of the >most liberal states in the world in this regard, by the way), you can do so. >To tie it to the case of this insignificant speck is weird. I think that the Iranian goverment may have something similiar to say about Salman Rushdie. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 12 11:33:39 PDT 1996 Article: 85781 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:06:23 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4i63p3$l5@axl02it.ntc.nokia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.european-union:5868 soc.culture.nordic:47044 soc.culture.german:85781 In article , Hans Kristian Ruud wrote: >In , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) >writes: > >> According to e.g. Arthur de Gobineau there are no pure races only various >> degrees of relative purity. > >Arthur de Gobineau was a crank, who only National Bocialists take seriously. > But his contemporaries took him seriously years before Hitler was born. He was in particular popular among the Germans. He is called the father of racialism. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:11 PDT 1996 Article: 65028 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:32:10 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <32282586.73C@ix.netcom.com> <50agrb$17s@sjx <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu> <32374259.5C2F@novia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100688 alt.revisionism:65028 soc.culture.europe:47828 soc.culture.german:85952 In article <32374259.5C2F@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote: >Scott Erb wrote: >> >> In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says... >> >> >You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does >> >not have a criminal character. >> >> Sure it does. In Germany it's criminal to spread Nazi propaganda. That >> isn't a thought crime, its a crime against certain acts. > >In addition to propaganda publications and paraphanalia, Lauck's >"mail-order warehouse" for neo-Nazis also had German language manuals for >making bombs and terrorist devises. Do you have any evidence? If it is so why was it not been mentioned by the courts? >> >> Whether or not you think it *should* be a crime is another matter. >> >> > Everyone, also the criminals, knows what >> >crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done >> >anything criminal. >> >> Wrong. He has broken the law. That makes him a criminal. > >Only a white racist like Kreiberg could believe that Lauck should be >immune from prosecution in Europe and North America. I do not think that I can be called a racist. A racist is defined as somebody who regards his own race as superior and thinks that one race has the right to rule other races. I certainly do not want to rule other races. And I speak very little about racial superiority. > >And all of us know that Kreiberg is paranoid about "an invasion of Third >World Peoples of Color" even though there the number of such immigrants >in Denmark is statistically insignificant. According to the Danish Ministry of Internal Affairs at least 4 per cent of the population are foreign citizens. At least 50000 thousand have acquired Danish citizensship the last two decades. This makes another per cent. E.g. in Copenhagen app. 10 per cent are foreign citizens, but among the schoolchildren every forth child is foreign. This is because in particular the Muslims get much more children than the Danes. >I do remember seeing a story >on DW-tv's "Drehscheibe Europa" on the Eskimos of Kopenhagen -- ah, a >legacy of Leif Ericson and Denmark's past as a minor colonial power. Is >Ole paranoid about Eskimos? > There are only very few Eskimos. The total population of Greenland is 49502 (in 1975). -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:13 PDT 1996 Article: 65029 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:52:41 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100689 alt.revisionism:65029 soc.culture.europe:47829 soc.culture.german:85953 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >You are deluding yourself, on top of that, if you think that what Lauck was >writing was "antagonistic to the German political establishment". It is >considered despiccable by an overwhelming majority among the German >citizens. Because something is depicable does not necessarily make it criminal too. >Don't ever forget that Nazi shitheads are just a tiny minority >in Germany AND in other European states. Then why do you fear them so much? > >>A lot of the historical German nazis and Soviet communists may have >>committed acts that can be regarded criminal, but Lauck has not. He has >>only committed thought-"crimes". Politically he is an absolute nonentity >>with no influence on any real events at all. Right now he has attained the >>status of political prisoner which I am sure must have boosted his self- >>esteem. > >Oh yeah? A non-entity, without any real influence? Bull! >He called for driving out immigrants and seekers of political asylum >by force - some people listened. His writings were incitement to >violence and were successfull in that. No real influence my foot! > Come on. You are trying to make an insignificant number of nazis scapegoats for the widespread discontent with the consequences of the German immigration and refugee laws. In Denmark there have been similiar (minor) incidents (e.g. Kalundborg July 1985), but there have never been made cowardly attempts of blaming the the discontent leading to such attacks on the "nazis". In Denmark the massmedia just said that the local population did not want all these refugees in their community and therefore reacted spotaneous that way. Why are you Germans too cowardly to admit the same? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:13 PDT 1996 Article: 65030 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:09:34 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <50lf7m$3f4@mag6.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100690 alt.revisionism:65030 alt.politics.white-power:43081 soc.culture.europe:47830 soc.culture.german:85954 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >Ole, you can read. Go back and look at Mr. Eisenberger's posting. He quoted >a Danish(?) newspapershowing that some of Lauck's >activities were under investigation by the DANISH judiciary. So? Which activities? As he is not being able to speak one word in Danish he would hardly have been able to participate in any significant activities in Denmark. Furthermore there is already an active naziparty in Denmark. Why would he have tried to compete with them? What would he have been able to do without their help, and remember that no Danish nazis were arrested, allthough he was together with them all the time. The Danish nazis are not subordinated any foreign nazis. All activities by Lauck in Denmark must have been sanctioned by the Danish nazis. >He was >arrested in Denmark because of THAT, not as the result of "German >pressure". Nonsens. Show me exactly in which way he might have broken the law during his stay in Denmark or shut up. > >Thiess Christopherson is a prime counter-example. He was never >indicted in Denmark, despite protests from Germany, because >he never broke Danish law. His writings stayed sagely inside the >bounds prescribed by Danish law and thus he was never extradicted >to Germany, although the German judiciary would have just LOVED >to lay hands on him. > Yeah I bet that you witch hunting Germans would have loved that. You never get tired of persecuting scapegoats. >Don't try to distort facts, people will notice. And by the way: the >German judiciary has attempted to have Lauck extradicted from the >US - to no avail of course. But they made the point of trying >nevertheless. > Yes, here we have an important point. The Danes have the right to as much freedom of speech as the Americans. Remember the Danes had as little to do with nazism as the Americans. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:14 PDT 1996 Article: 65031 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Ken McVay's wild lies and distortions Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:13:33 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu> <6doDoOev1WUE065yn@login.dknet.dk> <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100691 alt.revisionism:65031 soc.culture.europe:47831 soc.culture.german:85955 In article <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote: > >Most people certainly do understand the difference, Mr. >Kreiberg, although you aren't one of them. You, after all, are >a man who supports the right of the Danish state to arrest and >forcibly deport Danish citizens. You are lying and distorting. I could not even dream of thinking of deporting Danish citizens. I have only spoken of cancelling certain citizenship which should not have been granted in the first place. When no longer being Danish citizens they will be asked to leave the country. Furthermore I could never dream of advocating the arrest of somebody who leave the country within a certain respite. Only people who refuse to leave the country after they have lost legal rights to stay, will be interned until they change their mind and leave. > >Will you take them to concentration camps first, and make >_them_ believe they are "criminal," Mr. Kreiberg? After all, >being Jewish isn't against the law in Denmark these days, is >it? You, however, using "volunteer police," will arrest, >detain, and deport these Jewish Danes, if, God forbid, your >flavour of creep ever gains power in Denmark. > You are grossly lying again. I have never spoken about deporting the Danish Jews. Even the leaders of the German occupation administration in Denmark during WW2, Renthe Fink and later Dr. Werner Best, stated that there was not a Jewish problem in Denmark and recommended the German government not to take any action against the Danish Jews. There have always been less than ten thousand Jews in Denmark. Furthermore I have only talked about cancelling certain citizensships issued after 1965. Most Danish Jews have been much longer in the country. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 17:53:53 PDT 1996 Article: 65208 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:36:48 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <6doDoOev1WUE065yn@login.dknet.dk> <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <51c401$bir@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100806 alt.revisionism:65208 soc.culture.europe:47853 soc.culture.german:86010 In article <51c401$bir@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote: >In article , >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote: > > >>When no longer being Danish citizens they will be asked to leave the >>country. Furthermore I could never dream of advocating the arrest of somebody >>who leave the country within a certain respite. Only people who refuse >>to leave the country after they have lost legal rights to stay, will be >>interned until they change their mind and leave. > >Tranlation: When Danish citizens refuse to leave Denmark, I >will arrest them. When they no longer are Danish citizens, they will be treated as illegal aliens. > >Not surprising, considering that, on April 14, you said: > >"Therefore they should keep all their social rights and live >normal lives until they will be picked up late at night... you >just pick somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure >on the rest in order to make them cooperate. They will of >course all be notified of the expiry of the respite and the >consequences of not cooperating (that is transfer tdo >temporary transit-camps) in good time." > >...which translates into "We will employ terror to strip >Danish citizens of their rights, and then force them to leave >their own home." > Terror? Is it terror to motivate illegal aliens to leave? Does the USA exercise "terror" by forcing thousands of illegal aliens every month to leave the country? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 14 16:27:51 PDT 1996 Article: 65547 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!swrinde.nde.swri.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:42:59 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:100944 alt.revisionism:65547 soc.culture.europe:47877 soc.culture.german:86089 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >Taking into consideration some of your past comments (below), Mr. >Kreiberg, it is self-evident that you indeed are a racist as well as a >Nazi. No suprises there. ^^^^ How do you dare call me a Nazi. You do not seem to understand what nazism was. This article is crossposted to soc.culture.german, and I think that there will be Germans there that may be able to confirm the following: 1. Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export. 2. Nazism was harsh dictatorship and social darwinism. I have never advocated things like that. Without the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have nazism or fascism, and I have never advocated such things. So simple is that. 3. The nazis had some strange ideas about Slavs not being "Aryan" allthough Russians and Poles seem to be as White as Germans. This was not based on true racialism but rather on a perversion of racialism in order to support German chauvinism. In my opinion nazism was an extreme expression of German chauvinism. 4. I remember once one of the leaders of the Danish resistence and former member of the parliament for the social democracy, Frode Jacobsen was asked by the Danish television of his opinion about nazism and what caused it. He answered that in order to understand nazism and it's causes one has to understand the German defeat in WW1 and the Versailles Treaty. Frode Jacobsen was a M.A. in German language and was well versed in German culture and history. You can now understand that even if I wanted I would not be able to identify myself with nazism. My problem is the present day with the immigration from the third world and the multiethnic society. I leave the problem of nazism to the Germans. My views on the meaning of the ethnic differences are thus not based on German chauvinism but on the experience of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of nature. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 15 16:04:06 PDT 1996 Article: 101103 of alt.censorship Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:05:15 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <6doDoOev1WUE065yn@login.dknet.dk> <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <51c401$bir@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101103 alt.revisionism:65874 soc.culture.europe:47906 soc.culture.german:86132 In article <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison wrote: > >So, Mr Kreiberg, what are the objective definitions you will use to decide >who gets stripped of their citizenship? > Everyone that ethnically and culturally are a part of Europe will keep their citizensship. All others will not. They will have their citizenships converted into temporary B-citizensships that expire as soon as they leave the country and not a day before. For the slow-witted I will emphasize that e.g. former American citizens that obviously appear to originate from Europeans will be treated accordingly. Former American citizens that have acquired Danish citizensship but appear e.g. African or part African will be regarded as Africans or third worlders. >Who decides these criteria? A board of ethnic Danes. [I have set the followsups to alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture. europe] -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 15 16:19:13 PDT 1996 Article: 65874 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:05:15 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <6doDoOev1WUE065yn@login.dknet.dk> <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <51c401$bir@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101103 alt.revisionism:65874 soc.culture.europe:47906 soc.culture.german:86132 In article <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison wrote: > >So, Mr Kreiberg, what are the objective definitions you will use to decide >who gets stripped of their citizenship? > Everyone that ethnically and culturally are a part of Europe will keep their citizensship. All others will not. They will have their citizenships converted into temporary B-citizensships that expire as soon as they leave the country and not a day before. For the slow-witted I will emphasize that e.g. former American citizens that obviously appear to originate from Europeans will be treated accordingly. Former American citizens that have acquired Danish citizensship but appear e.g. African or part African will be regarded as Africans or third worlders. >Who decides these criteria? A board of ethnic Danes. [I have set the followsups to alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture. europe] -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 16 21:37:13 PDT 1996 Article: 66192 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:49:09 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 147 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101268 alt.revisionism:66192 soc.culture.europe:47936 soc.culture.german:86216 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: > >Then please explain, Mr. Kreiberg, the existance of the Austrian Nazi >Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi Party in >Germany? Now you expose your ignorance. The Austrians are Germans. The only reason why Austria and Germany were not united after WW1 was that this was not allowed according to the Versailles Treaty. There were strong movements in both Germany and Austria that worked for the union of these two German people. In fact Hitler, the German chauvinist, was an Austrian. When Germany made "Anscluss" with Austria in 1938 the Germans were greated by most Austrians. On the other hand Germany was regarded the enemy by the populations of those Non-German countries invaded by the Germans and here nazism was regarded the ideology of the enemy. Remember Hitler was a nationalist and did not try to export his German nationalistic ideology to people that were not German. He tried to expand the German territory to the East but he did not try to make nazis out of the population there. Neither did he try to make nazis out of the population in the occupied Western European countries. > >> 2. Nazism was harsh dictatorship and social darwinism. I have never >> advocated things like that. > >Mr. Kreiberg, you have claimed you are "looking for" a "humane and >unfanatic racialism." [1] Yet you also say that to "stop and reverse the >immigration" one "must be willing to pay some human costs." [2] The >dichotomy here is self-evident, yes? Obviously, one might think your >professing to look for "humane and unfanatic racialism" is nothing but >vapid and placatory disinformation as to your real intent: the ethnic >cleansing of Denmark by whatever means are necessary. I strongly believe that this goal can be attained in a humane manner without bloodshed. > >Additionally, evidence of your sinister intent is only reinforced by your >comment regarding those who refuse to placidly be stripped of rightful >Danish citizenship and be deported to the third-world: "You just pick >somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure on the rest in order >to make them cooperate." [3] > >Such blatant acts of intimidation and terrorism are a hallmark of "harsh >dictatorships." Who says so? Are there some political natural law saying that democracies cannot work for the creation of ethnic homogeity. I say that democracy works best in homogenous populations and that multi-ethnicism is a threat to democracy. Democracy needs societies with a certain degree of coherence and consensus in order to work. > >Furthermore, Mr. Kreiberg, evidence of the "social darwinism" in your >views and writings can be found by such statement as: "Ayrans stand at the >pinnacle of human evolution" [4] and the "first law of nature is >self-preservation. That also applies to ethnic groups and nations." [5] > >> Without the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have nazism or >> fascism, and I have never advocated such things. So simple is that. > >Yet, Mr. Kreiberg, you have stated that your "political goal is to create >a ethnic homogenous society." Exactly. However, because I want ethnic homogeneity, why would I want dictatorship? [6] You, by your own admission, Mr. >Kreiberg, have political goals you are trying to further. You have had a >letter published in a Danish newspaper advocating your political goal, >yes? It was in the Danish newsgroup dk.politik, but I have had several letters published in Danish newspaper about the many aspects of the immigration- and refugee problem. >Mr. Kreiberg, given all this, one might think your professing a lack >of "Fuehrerprinzip" is nothing but vapid and placatory disinformation. >This becomes more evident when considering that you have taken it upon >yourself to convince others to support your racist and discriminatory >ideals. > >[snip] > >> You can now understand that even if I wanted I would not be able to >> identify myself with nazism. My problem is the present day with the >> immigration from the third world and the multiethnic society. I leave the >> problem of nazism to the Germans. > >Mr. Kreiberg, you have written that you "symphatize with other White >patriots in other countries. Because I symphatize with them, it does not mean that I want to adopt their ideology. During WW2, England and the USA symphatized with the Soviet Union without having much symphaty with it's ideology. >In a new racial world order it will be >necessary that all White nations are allied." [3] Given that, for >instance, many of these "White patriots" espouse Nazism, especially groups >such as the National Alliance, which I believe, you said of: "To me they >are simply Americans who love their country and race" [7] and whom you >dishonestly tried to downplay their embracement of Nazism by claiming that >they are "somewhat inspired by national socialism" Being Americans they can only be inspired by nazism. If they really want to get into the American mainstream they will have to create an ideology based on American culture and heritage. >[8]; I find it hard to >see how you have not identified yourself with Nazism. In fact, Mr. >Kreiberg, based on what you have espoused, I have come to a very different >conclusion than you. You have been clearly influenced by Nasizm. In fact, >it is obvious, despite your futile denials, that you have _embraced_ much >of the ideology of National Socialism. You, sir, are a Nazi. The nazis did not invent racialism. It was already there. They just distorted it in order to make it fit into their *German* chauvinism. Because I am not German I do not have any guilt complex because of nazism. You can make me angry or insulted by calling me a nazi but never guilty. You are not able to use this epithet to manipulate me in any way. Leave that for the Germans. I think that they love to feel guilty in all eternity because of WW2 and all that. > >> My views on the meaning of the ethnic differences are thus not based >> on German chauvinism but on the experience of history, common sense, logic >> and the eternal laws of nature. > >Again, Mr. Kreiberg, given the above, I find it far more plausible that >your racism has been colored by Nazism, which, after all, was primarily >racial fascism. You, sir, are also a racist. > >And finally, Mr. Kreiberg, given the above, and your disingenous behavior >in not acknowledging what you have written, and the implications your >writings clearly espouse, I can only conclude that you are also a liar. > To me nazism was still a product of the German authoritarian character, like the present day acceptance of political prisoners in Germany is a product of the same German character. The Germans will remain Germans, and they will continue to persecute and imprison each other. That is the way they are. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 12:25:18 PDT 1996 Article: 66380 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!philabs!blanket.mitre.org!news.tufts.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:35:39 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101363 alt.revisionism:66380 soc.culture.europe:47952 soc.culture.german:86269 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >The Kreiberg says: >"I'm not a Nazi, because Adolf Hitler said that Nazism was only for Germans. >I am not a German, I'm Danish - so I conclude that I cannot possibly be a >Nazi". > >- That's what I understood Mr. Kreiberg's utterings to mean at least. > >Everybody can see that Hitler's opinion was likely voiced in a >different context and since when should we take anything Adolf >Hitler said at face value? Kreiberg believes A. Hitler - one could >conclude that, depending how far that belief goes, he is one of >Hitler's followers - ie. a NAZI for all practical matters. > Holger you are rather slow-witted. Try to look at some of the other posters that all point out my wish for ethnic homogeneity. This is what I want. I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult to understand? You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much as you want, as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't this a fair deal? -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 13:08:45 PDT 1996 Article: 43588 of alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Anti-Racists Control Everything Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <518gkq$mvb@dscomsa.desy.de> <51kn6e$3ck@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <51kvn5$1c44@sol.caps.maine.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101364 alt.revisionism:66384 alt.politics.white-power:43588 soc.culture.europe:47953 soc.culture.german:86272 In article <51kvn5$1c44@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote: > >If one really wants to see where racism and the like leads, read the history >of Germany. If ever another state like Nazi Germany arose, it would suffer >the same fate -- or worse. Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason, why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland. If Germany had stayed within it's own border, England and France would never have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war. When Nazi-Germany had lost the war, the anti-racists took the opportunity to utilize the defeat and the real and alleged German atrocity in their propaganda against general racialism. Like there are many kind of socialists ranging from Scandinavian social democrats to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, there are similiarly many kind of racialism. There no natural law saying that racialism have to be as extreme as the nazi-German chavinistic and megalomaniac version. I think that all sorts of fanatics are much more dangerous than their ideas. Blame atrocities and wars on people not on ideas. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 13:35:25 PDT 1996 Article: 86256 of soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:56:23 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101345 soc.culture.europe:47950 soc.culture.german:86256 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >Mr. Kreiberg, for your pleasure, I shall quote the pertinent part of an. >article from dejanews. It contained a Reuter's bulletin which said, >among other things: > > While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi > symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and > other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited > by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police. >* But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal >* attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it >* possible to extradite him. > > He still did not break any Danish laws while being within Danish jurisdiction. He was not convicted for anything by the Danish courts. However in order to be extradited from Denmark you must have commited something that would be illegal in Denmark too. The Danish courts just had to determine whether or not it was legal to extradite him to Germany. He was only arrested and extradited because Germany demanded so. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:50:03 PDT 1996 Article: 101345 of alt.censorship Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:56:23 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101345 soc.culture.europe:47950 soc.culture.german:86256 In article , Holger Skok wrote: > >Mr. Kreiberg, for your pleasure, I shall quote the pertinent part of an. >article from dejanews. It contained a Reuter's bulletin which said, >among other things: > > While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi > symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and > other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited > by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police. >* But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal >* attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it >* possible to extradite him. > > He still did not break any Danish laws while being within Danish jurisdiction. He was not convicted for anything by the Danish courts. However in order to be extradited from Denmark you must have commited something that would be illegal in Denmark too. The Danish courts just had to determine whether or not it was legal to extradite him to Germany. He was only arrested and extradited because Germany demanded so. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:50:05 PDT 1996 Article: 101403 of alt.censorship Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:46:27 -0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101403 alt.revisionism:66453 soc.culture.europe:47962 soc.culture.german:86295 In article , Daniel Keren wrote: >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) > ># I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult ># to understand? > >Yes. The fact that you support policies central to Nazism, while >at the same time trying to distance yourself from Nazism, is >difficult to understand - unless one assumes you're lying. A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment. Are all people that find it important to combat unemployment "nazis"? The first law that the German nazis made after they had come to power was a law for the protection of animals. Does that mean that all those people that are members of associations for protection of animals are "nazis"? I could go on like that for ever. I am not German and I was born years after the war, and I do not feel that I have anything to do with this period. I just know that homogenous societies are better than heterogenous, and that every decent person should be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. I really do not care what Hitler, Djengis Khan or some other historical bogey men had to say about that matter. > ># You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much ># as you want, as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't ># this a fair deal? > >It's certainly not fair to those you plan to mistreat and deport >because you don't like the color of their skin. Hey who says that those people people who have to go to those parts of the world where they naturally belong, not are going to be treated fair. I am certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want to see a few errors corrected. That is all. Take a look at the Jews. They think that they naturally belong in the Middle East in a place they call Israel. Millions of Jews have gone to live in that place the last five decades. Another thing is whether the aboriginal population got a fair treatment by the Jewish conquerors. Ask some of those hundred thousands of Palestinians and their descendants that still live in miserable refugee camps in the neighbouring Arab countries. I do not think that you will find many here that think that they were treated fair by the Jews during the ethnic cleansing that was caused by the Deir Yassin massacre. Do not forget that one of the greatest ethnic cleansings in the this century took place in Palestine. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:55:33 PDT 1996 Article: 66453 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:46:27 -0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101403 alt.revisionism:66453 soc.culture.europe:47962 soc.culture.german:86295 In article , Daniel Keren wrote: >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) > ># I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult ># to understand? > >Yes. The fact that you support policies central to Nazism, while >at the same time trying to distance yourself from Nazism, is >difficult to understand - unless one assumes you're lying. A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment. Are all people that find it important to combat unemployment "nazis"? The first law that the German nazis made after they had come to power was a law for the protection of animals. Does that mean that all those people that are members of associations for protection of animals are "nazis"? I could go on like that for ever. I am not German and I was born years after the war, and I do not feel that I have anything to do with this period. I just know that homogenous societies are better than heterogenous, and that every decent person should be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. I really do not care what Hitler, Djengis Khan or some other historical bogey men had to say about that matter. > ># You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much ># as you want, as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't ># this a fair deal? > >It's certainly not fair to those you plan to mistreat and deport >because you don't like the color of their skin. Hey who says that those people people who have to go to those parts of the world where they naturally belong, not are going to be treated fair. I am certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want to see a few errors corrected. That is all. Take a look at the Jews. They think that they naturally belong in the Middle East in a place they call Israel. Millions of Jews have gone to live in that place the last five decades. Another thing is whether the aboriginal population got a fair treatment by the Jewish conquerors. Ask some of those hundred thousands of Palestinians and their descendants that still live in miserable refugee camps in the neighbouring Arab countries. I do not think that you will find many here that think that they were treated fair by the Jews during the ethnic cleansing that was caused by the Deir Yassin massacre. Do not forget that one of the greatest ethnic cleansings in the this century took place in Palestine. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 09:13:25 PDT 1996 Article: 66562 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:50:26 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 121 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101485 alt.revisionism:66562 soc.culture.europe:47980 soc.culture.german:86326 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole >Kreiberg) wrote: > >> In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >> > >> >Then please explain, Mr. Kreiberg, the existance of the Austrian Nazi >> >Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi Party in >> >Germany? >> >> Now you expose your ignorance.... > >Mr. Kreiberg, Austria and Germany were seperate internationally >recognoized contries _before_ the _Anschluss_. > >>...The Austrians are Germans... > >And, Mr. Kreiberg, many Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc. are >Anglos. Does this mean we are British? > >Do you see the irrelevency of your specious arguments yet, Mr. Kreiberg? > >Now, again, Mr. Kreiberg, please explain the existance of the Austrian >Nazi Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi >Party in Germany? > As I have told you before there was a strong opinion in favour of a United Austria and Germany. There were associations in both countries already in the 19th century working to unite these two German people. I think that many Austrians saw their fellow Austrian Adolph Hitler as the right man for the job. > >> >Furthermore, Mr. Kreiberg, evidence of the "social darwinism" in your >> >views and writings can be found by such statement as: "Ayrans stand at the >> >pinnacle of human evolution" [4] and the "first law of nature is >> >self-preservation. That also applies to ethnic groups and nations." [5] >> > >> >> Without the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have >nazism or >> >> fascism, and I have never advocated such things. So simple is that. >> > >> >Yet, Mr. Kreiberg, you have stated that your "political goal is to create >> >a ethnic homogenous society." >> >> Exactly. However, because I want ethnic homogeneity, why would I want >> dictatorship? > >"Fuehrerprinzip," Mr.Kreiberg. You have claimed you cannot have Nazism >without "Fuehrerprinzip," and that since you have evidenced no >"Fuehrerprinzip" you cannot be accused of promulgating Nasism. Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip". > >You are not England, the United States, or the Soviet Union in WWII, Mr. >Kreiberg. You are a neo-Nazi "sympathizing" with other neo-Nazis and >calling for a alliance of "White" (i.e. Nazi-like) nations. > >> >In a new racial world order it will be >> >necessary that all White nations are allied." [3] Given that, for >> >instance, many of these "White patriots" espouse Nazism, especially groups >> >such as the National Alliance, which I believe, you said of: "To me they >> >are simply Americans who love their country and race" [7] and whom you >> >dishonestly tried to downplay their embracement of Nazism by claiming that >> >they are "somewhat inspired by national socialism" >> >> Being Americans they can only be inspired by nazism. > >No, Mr. Kreiberg, being bigoted racists and anti-Semites, they find solace >on the evil doctrines of Natiol Socialism. That and they're into >swastikas, leather, and hob-nailed boots.... Gee, really. >Oh yeah, and repressed sexuality. Gee, repressed sexuality??! :-D I thought this was about racialism. You are not going to tell me that racialism has something to do with repressed sexuality, are you? :-D Like you are trying to make me believe that racialism always leads to dictatorship. > >> If they really want to get into the American mainstream they will have to >> create an ideology based on American culture and heritage. > >That _wouldn't_ be Nazism then, Mr. Kreiberg. Sure. Because nazism has nothing do with the American culture and heritage or the Danish culture and heritage for that matter. I think we are beginning to understand each other. Nazism is krautstuff. Face it. > >> >[8]; I find it hard to >> >see how you have not identified yourself with Nazism. In fact, Mr. >> >Kreiberg, based on what you have espoused, I have come to a very different >> >conclusion than you. You have been clearly influenced by Nasizm. In fact, >> >it is obvious, despite your futile denials, that you have _embraced_ much >> >of the ideology of National Socialism. You, sir, are a Nazi. >> >> The nazis did not invent racialism. > >Did I claim otherwise, Mr. Kreiberg? No. Nazism, however, _was_ steeped in >racist doctrine and virulent anti-Semitism. That is undeniable. > >> It was already there. They just distorted it in order to make it fit into >> their *German* chauvinism. > >Mr. Kreiberg, German anti-Semitism evolved around 1870 from a non-racist >to the racist doctrine that was eventually adopted by Hitler and Nazism. > In a distorted form very much inspired by Houston Stewart Chamberlain's book, Grundlagen des 20. Jahrhunderts. > >And to me, Mr. Kreiberg, you remain a racist Nazi liar. > And to me you are remain a silly slanderer and mud slinger. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 15:16:17 PDT 1996 Article: 66637 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:41:35 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <51d4q7$9gc@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk In article <51d4q7$9gc@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote: > > The difference -- which you refuse to recognize -- is that the >people who you are talking about are not "illegal immigrants." They are >Danish citizens either by birth or because they obtained that citizenship >by legal means. The problem is that they have a Danish citizenship without being Danes or closely related to the Danes. >To arbitrarily >revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of >their human and legal rights. Then those laws that grant them those legal rights have do be repealed. Furthermore who says that the socalled human rights represent something absolute or God given. If they do not fit into the political reality they have to be modified accordingly or abandoned if necessary. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 15:16:17 PDT 1996 Article: 66645 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:30:19 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 124 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101527 alt.revisionism:66645 soc.culture.europe:47987 soc.culture.german:86352 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: > >Is this your explination then Mr. Kreiberg? That because some Austrians >and Germans (I note you above implicitly admit that Austria and Germany >were _seperate_ countries) and Germans shared Hitler's racial-fascist >ideology that this somehopw proves, as you claimed, that "national >socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export?" In the twenties even the Austrian socialist party wanted a referendum about a possible union between Austria and Germany. Austrian Hitler who said that National socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export regarded Austria for a part of Germany. There is nothing strange in that. The Austrians are Germans. Why do you want to quibble about that? On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as Germans, because they simply are not Germans. Is that really so difficult to understand? >> >> Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip". > >Then why do you promulgate it, Mr. Kreiberg? The contradiction between >your words is damning, Mr. Kreiberg. I have never promulgated that. This a pure lie from you. I believe that it is possible to create ethnic homogeneity within democracy. I do not have any problems with domocracy. Of course you can point out a lot weaknesses in democracy, but you can easily do the same with dictatorship. My problem is the multiethnic society and the multiracial ideology - not democracy. Is that so difficult to understand? > >"...I always wanted to get new members onto the rolls of some >organization, to get them thinking in terms of race and Nazism, And I >confess I also got a certain enjoyment from searching out people's >psychological and inteelectual weaknesses and exploiting them for the sake >of political training....The very concept of indoctrinenation seems >negative to a democratic way of thinking, but our worldview it was a >positive idea, much like the concept of propaganda. Both were means of >spreading national socilism, which we saw as the highest end. The goal was >to produce as many peole as possible who were ideologically 'fit,' which >meant they identified 100 percent with the program of the Nazi Party and >lived according to its goals...." (_Fu"hrer-Ex_, pp.238-239.) > >"...The whole thing took place in the dining room of [Gottfreid] Ku"ssel's >unusual apartment, which was nothing short of a museum to Nazism and >racial hatred....I had never seen anything like it in my life....Wax >figures of black-clad SS men in full uniform with steel helmets greeted >you as you came in the front door....Most of the figures wore the uniforms >of the death's-head concentration camp guards, but posted in the various >rooms were also Waffen SS men in camouflage uniforms and military field >officers....Ku"ssel admired Mengele for his experiments, widely condemmed >as the most betial in the history of medicine, to 'produce Aryan >chracteristics' in Jews....IN his mind, Mengele should have won the Nobel >Prize....In a guest room he had another old-fashioned, simple bed, and a >big Nazi flag on the wall....Finally when you got to his dining room, you >felt like you'd emerged from the barracks into a general's headquarters. >There was a long, polished oak table surrounded by high-backed chairs and >a swastika flag on a pole in the corner...." (Ibid. pp.248-239.) > Hm these Krauts have always been a little weird, haven't they. ;-) > >> >Oh yeah, and repressed sexuality. >> >> Gee, repressed sexuality??! :-D I thought this was about racialism. You >> are not going to tell me that racialism has something to do with repressed >> sexuality, are you? :-D > >Hey, Mr. Kreiberg, _you_ explain the reason for all those Ayran hunks in >tight leather on Nazi posters! };-> Yeah they were real macho guys. ;-) > >> ...Like you are trying to make me believe that racialism always leads to >> dictatorship. > >Mr. Kreiberg, I'm not trying to _make_ you do anything. I'm simply >pointing out that your "arguments" are nothing more than lame >rationalizations for you choosing to be a racist and a Nazi and >promulgating Nazi ideals. > Why do you keep repeating your slander? I am not a nazi. Only Germans can be genuine nazis. >> >> If they really want to get into the American mainstream they will have to >> >> create an ideology based on American culture and heritage. >> > >> >That _wouldn't_ be Nazism then, Mr. Kreiberg. >> >> Sure. Because nazism has nothing do with the American culture and heritage >> or the Danish culture and heritage for that matter. I think we are >> beginning to understand each other. Nazism is krautstuff. Face it. > >Mr. Kreiberg, you sure do seem to like logical fallacies. Please explain >the existance of the American Nazi Party and its role in America. It is an extreme small party with a few thosands members, and it has certainly not been even close to the American mainstream. They are just copycats. However many American descend from Germans. E.g. Gerhard Lauck claims that his parents immigrated to the USA from Germany. > >> >And to me, Mr. Kreiberg, you remain a racist Nazi liar. > >> And to me you are remain a silly slanderer and mud slinger. > >Ah, but you see, Mr. Kreiberg, I've shown repeatedly, by your own words, >that you _are_ a racist, a Nazi, and a liar. > >If you don't like it, sue me. Or stop acting like a racist Nazi liar. Not >mention one possessing dubious logical and argumentative abilities. > There is no way that you can intimidate or manipulate me from being against the multiethnic society and the multiracial ideology. I am fully aware that you antiracists always try to smear your opponents with the epithet "nazi". This may work with the Germans who has a guilt complex because of their nazi past. I do not have any guilt complex on behalf of the Germans. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 18:21:17 PDT 1996 Article: 66674 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:37:09 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101550 alt.revisionism:66674 soc.culture.europe:47990 soc.culture.german:86366 In article , Holger Skok wrote: >In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole >Kreiberg) wrote: > >>In article , Holger Skok >wrote: > >Sorry, Mr. Kreiberg, you cannot have that. I am quite convinced that the Danish >people are too smart to fall for the kind of arguments you use to justify >your political aims. Thus, unless you aim for a Putsch, Denmark will never >become "ethnically pure" like you want it to, because that aim will never >find a majority. A recent opinion poll in Denmark showed that 72 per cent did not want the multi-ethnic society in the first place. > >Concerning the label one might want to slap on your political ideas, let >me just remind you (and other readers) of recent extensive quotings >from your very own postings which Ken McVay (sp?) has posted. They >show pretty clearly, that the government you advocate would not >care about legality (you'd like to use force and threats to "convince" >those you consider racially impure to leave Denmark), you don't care >about human rights (depriving people of their citizenship against their >will), your ideas about society are based on a strange and vapourous >concept of race and racial superiority. You have misunderstood something. There will be created a legal foundation that makes the creation of ethnic homogeneity legally possible before anything else are done. Laws etc. that may stand in the way will be legally repealed. This of course demands that I have a majority of the votes. I will then have to wait for that. > >Taken together, there are enough similarities between your ideas and >those promulgated by the NSDAP to justify calling you a Danish Neo-Nazi. >Not that the lable would fit exactly - there might be some differences, >but I consider them insignificant. > You do not seem really to understand the authoritarian and German chauvinistic nature of national socialism. I am sorry to state that national socialism is not an workable option in Denmark. You just cannot sell national socialism to the Danes. It just taste too much of Kraut :-) . Furthermore the Danish democracy is very old and well established and have no resemblance with the one of the Weimar republic. It would be silly even to consider doing it away. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 07:41:25 PDT 1996 Article: 66708 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: KREIBERG THE 'HUMANIST' Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:59:35 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.nordic:47085 alt.censorship:101576 alt.revisionism:66708 soc.culture.europe:47995 soc.culture.german:86389 In article , Daniel Keren wrote: >olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: > ># I am certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want ># to see a few errors corrected. That is all. > >Is that so... Yes it was a fatal error in the first place to turn e.g. the Scandinavian countries into multi-ethnic societies. Multiethnic societies do not work and multiracialism sucks. Just take a look around in the world. Does places like Cypruss, Sri Lanka, Sudan Israel/Palestine etc. ring a bell? > > > > From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:58:14 +0100 > >Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some >people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer >qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been >granted a residence permit they will have their status changed to >illegal aliens and then treated accordingly. > > From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:09:43 +0100 > >Nonsens. However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates >to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they should of >course not be too attractive. > > > > This quotes have been taken out of their original context and have got a new meaning. All the moderating factors have been omitted. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 07:41:26 PDT 1996 Article: 66752 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:19:50 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <323F2532.268A@unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30137 soc.culture.europe:47998 alt.revisionism:66752 In article <323F2532.268A@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison wrote: >> >I see. How long must they have been resident in Europe to be "ethically >and culturally" European? > If you are not White you will never be regarded European no matter how many years you have lived in Europe. > >Do Jews who have residing in Europe since the >early days of the Roman Empire count? > The Jews in general are in the grey zone between white and coloured. Some may appear white, others not. It is however obvious when you watch the Jewish population in Israel that they resemble rather those people among whom they lived in the Diaspora than they resemble each other. It is obvious that there must have been a heavy inmixture through the many centuries. The Jews in general can therefore not be regarded as a race. > >Where do you draw the line of >deciding where Europe ends and everywhere else begins? > The lines will follow Europe geographically. > >Geographically >or geologically? Do Turks who have been living on the European side of >the Dardenelles for several centuries count? > The Turks are clearly in the grey zone. Many of them may appear white, others not. Their Muslim religion and culture make them a part of the Middle East. The Turkish people and their culture rather seem to be a hybrid between Europe and the Middle East, and I think that this is the way the Turks understand themselves too. > >Do Spaniards who have some Moorish ancestors count? > Spaniards are clearly Europeans culturally and ethnically. There may have been some Moorish inmixture here and there, but the Moors were mostly Berbers, and Berbers are classified as Mediterreanoids by ethnographers and thereby white, although they due to inmixture at least today may appear to be in the grey zone. > > >How about white Europeans who have adopted Islam or Buddhism? Can they >stay? > Yes -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 18:45:02 PDT 1996 Article: 66898 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:35:59 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101667 alt.revisionism:66898 soc.culture.europe:48013 soc.culture.german:86446 In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: >In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole >Kreiberg) wrote: > >> In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote: > >I see. Do you also consider the Irish to be English? No the Irish have fought against the British for independence. The British always looked down on the Irish and certainly did not regard them English. > >> On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as >> Germans, because they simply are not Germans. Is that really so difficult >> to understand? > >I see. Hitler said so and that is good enough for you? Thanks, Mr. >Kreiberg. You may step down now.... Have you ever heard somebody in his right mind claiming that Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc are Germans. You do not seem to kmow much about the ethnography of Europe. There is a Danish saying that goes like this: "From children and drunken men you are going to hear the truth". You could add nazis in some cases. > >> >> Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip". >> > >> >Then why do you promulgate it, Mr. Kreiberg? The contradiction between >> >your words is damning, Mr. Kreiberg. >> >> I have never promulgated that. This a pure lie from you.... > >No, Mr. Kreiberg, it is not a lie by me. _You_ have convicted _yourself_ >with _your_ own words. Sorry about that you Nazi scumbag. So where and when have I advocated dictatorship and "Fuehrerprinzip". If you are not able to prove that, you are a liar and a slanderer. > > It's just the Nazis, neo-Nazis, totalitarians, and racists that >are bent. Germany has never had a monopoly of that. Just the unfortunate >tradgedy to have been responsible for the Holocaust. Yeah try to put all the blame for the German behaviour on nazism and never on the German character. The present day Germans think that they can make the world believe that it was nazism that made the Germans the way they were during WW2, and that it was not the other way round, namely that the German character and mentality made nazism the way it was. I do not buy their crap. Nazism was an extreme expression of the German soul and nothing else. As Rudolph Hess once said Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler. > >I am not attempting to "intimidate or manipulate" you, Mr. Kreiberg. I am >simply evidencing, from your own words, that you are a racist, a Nazi, and >a liar. > Well I am not a nazi and a liar. On the other hand you are a liar and a slanderer. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 20:26:30 PDT 1996 Article: 66927 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-b.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Anti-Racists Control Everything Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:04:00 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <518gkq$mvb@dscomsa.desy.de> <51kn6e$3ck@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <51kvn5$1c44@sol.caps.maine.edu> <51ph8n$frk@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101682 alt.revisionism:66927 alt.politics.white-power:43848 soc.culture.europe:48019 soc.culture.german:86454 In article <51ph8n$frk@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Matt Giwer wrote: >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote: > >> Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just >>utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason, >>why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland. >>If Germany had stayed within it's own border, England and France would never >>have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of >>solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war. > > Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany that had been given to >Poland. Stalin and Hitler did in fact divide Poland between themselves. While Germany made an enourmous crime against humanity because of that it did not matter that the Soviet Union kept it's part of Poland and had it ethnic cleansed of Poles during the end of the war. It did not matter either that Stalin invaded Finland in 1939. On the contrary the Soviet Union was rewarded with a part of Finland which had been ethnic cleansed of Finns. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 20 19:09:44 PDT 1996 Article: 67172 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.insinc.net!netrover2!news1.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:58:05 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <323F2532.268A@unb.ca> <3241B2F1.62A9@unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30379 soc.culture.europe:48047 alt.revisionism:67172 In article <3241B2F1.62A9@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison wrote: > >Answer the question. Do Jews who can trace their ancestory in Europe >back at least two thousand years count or don't they? > This is a difficult question and we have not really been considered the Jews yet among the Danish patriots. (The Danish nazis are excluded from the patriotic enviroment). The answer to the question is therefore not ready yet. However in Denmark there are only very few Jews, and if it will not be possible to prove that they are engaged in activities that can be considered detrimental to their host country I do not think that they will be considered a problem. > >Answer the question. Do Turks who have been living on the European side >of the Dardenelles for several centuries count? > >> >Do Spaniards who have some Moorish ancestors count? > >Answer the question. Do Spaniards who have some Moorsih ancestors count? > In southern Europe some people may fall into the grey zone between white and coloured like the Turks and other Middle Eastern people. However the borderline has be to drawn somewhere and for obvious reasons it will be most practical to use the Mediterranean as the border line. The border between Greece and Turkey should mark where the Balkans ends and the Middle East starts ethnically and culturally. I know that this may not be ideal and can be critisized. In the new racial world order all the European nations will keep their full sovereignty. This will mean that the Northern European nations will not have the slightest influence on the ethnic policies and definitions of Southern European nations. This will be regarded as internal affairs of each country. > >> >How about white Europeans who have adopted Islam or Buddhism? Can they >> >stay? >> > >> Yes > >Why? Because they are white. Remember Christianity which is the predominant religion in Europe is imported from outside of Europe too. Therefore religion in my opinion should not be a criteria. >By adopting Islam or Buddhism they have adopted a "non-European" >cultural (ie religious) identity. Therefore, since they are not following >a European cultural artifact, they are not white. > -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 09:51:19 PDT 1996 Article: 67274 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:21:26 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <32417AB7.6175@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101852 alt.revisionism:67274 soc.culture.europe:48057 soc.culture.german:86537 In article <32417AB7.6175@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>, Matthias Goos wrote: >Maybe you are not a nazi, cause you are not German, but you are a >facist. >Hitler try facism in Germany and called it nazism. >Your idears of >ethnic homogeneity< a only the same new words that >german newfacist use for only 50 years old word of "Reinheit der Rasse". >Facism is the ideologie for worlwide intollerance against races, >religions and opoines. What do you know about fascism. I do not think that Mussolini had a racial program at all. Fascism was first and foremost an authoritarian ideology. Racialism is much older than fascism and nazism. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 09:51:21 PDT 1996 Article: 67275 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists? Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:46:31 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7xnGoOev1iXI065yn@login.dknet.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: login.dknet.dk Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:101853 alt.revisionism:67275 soc.culture.europe:48058 soc.culture.german:86538 In article , Holger Skok wrote: >He recently emailed me his proposals for ethnical cleansing of Denmark, >which he claims to have posted elsewhere before - that's why I feel >entitled to summarizing them here - and they don't sound like any >extermination policy. > >He suggested paying DKr 70000.- to each "non-ethnic Dane" (whatever >that means) for leaving the country. He suggested rounding up those >who wouldn't go of their own accord and putting them into camps, where >they would be kept until ready to leave. > >In that email at least, he did not suggest exterminating anybody. Nor did >he allude to intimidating people. Of course, in practice, that would be >necessary and he realizes that, according to postings Mark van Alstine >quoted. But still, there is a difference between the scale of things he >suggests >and what actually happened in Germany. Kreiberg is a racist, as he states >himself with pride, but his ideas are still somewhat removed from >Nazism. Their practical application would result in something closely >resembling Nazi Germany, Again there will be no dictatorship, militarism or attempts of conquering territory from other white people (or coloured people for that matter). Without these features you hardly resemble nazi Germany at all. To some extent my views may resemble those of Le Pen and the Front National in France or Deutsche Volksunion in Germany. In Germany and France where nazi-parties are prohibited these parties are legally participating in elections etc., which prove that they are definitely not nazis. I have several copies of the National Zeitung, a newspaper of the Deutsche Volksunion, and from that I can understand that I share their much of their world view. >I think, but at least according to his statements, >that's not exactly what he wants. I assume he imagines some sort of >all-white paradise which would result from his ethnic cleansing. Lower >crime rate (except for those crimes committed by the new Danish state), >lower social security payments, because less people would have to be >supported by the social security system (he seems to imply that >non-ethnic Danes need social security more than ethnic Danes) and >there's more, probably. Pie in the Sky, fantasies of a small and scared >mind, but certainly NOT on the scale of Hitler and his cronies. > I think that we are beginning to understand each other. >But who knows - that's probably what some people believed about Hitler >BEFORE he came to power. Hm, Hitler was quite clear in his political intentions from the beginning. Just read Mein Kampf that was written several years before he came to power. -- Ole Kreiberg Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language) From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 13:04:48 PDT 1996 Article: 30525 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news.uni-c.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!usenet From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:27:38 +0100 Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: