From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Apr  1 12:45:53 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Hate Propaganda
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In article <3158727B.52D7@bnr.ca>, Dani Zilberstein  wrote:
>
>THESE PEOPLES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOLOCAUST TOGETHER WITH
>GERMANS.
>
>JASON, DO YOU HEAR? THERE ARE MANY JEWS (not me only) THAT BLAME
>MOST OF EUROPEAN PEOPLES FOR EITHER SILENT AGREEMENT OR 
>ACTIVE COOPERATION IN KILLING JEWS DURING WW2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Silent agreement? What could unarmed civilians do against the German army?

  Remember that Denmark was very close to neutral Sweden and there were
  only a few thousand Jews. E.g. as far as I know only very few Dutch Jews
  managed to escape all the way to England.

  Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Apr  1 23:46:56 PST 1996
Article: 23798 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Multiracialism Still Sucks
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In article <4j8iau$d79@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, actium@ix.netcom.co wrote:
>
>Miscegenation has wiped racism out in South America! Duhhhhhhh!

Miscegenation has made South America a part of the third world forever. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr  2 00:16:46 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Multiracialism Still Sucks
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In article <4j8iau$d79@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, actium@ix.netcom.co wrote:
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>Miscegenation has wiped racism out in South America! Duhhhhhhh!

 Miscegenation has made South America a part of the third world forever. 


Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr  2 07:24:25 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Hate Propaganda
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In article <4jkuvn$di9@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>> 
>>    This gives no Jew the right to call me a nazi or to compare me with the
>>  German nazis from WW2.
>>  
>>>>>
>       Sorry, nazi-boy, the First Amendment to the Constitution gives me that 
>right as long as I can back up my opinion with fact.  I can.  You know it.  
>I know it.  

 Bah. 

>You believe in nazi race science.  You believe in the nazi goals.  You lie 
>consistently to justify their actions.  You are a nazi.
>
  To you "liar" and "nazi" are just empty words that you fling in the teeth 
on everybody that you disagree with.

Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Hate Propaganda
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In article <4jic83$pva@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <4jda1c$ku8@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>  >
>>  >       No I can prove you're a nazi.  
>>  
>>  So please do it right now. 
>
>       "Been there.  Done that."

  You have only made feeble attempts which will not carry much weight in a
court.

>  
>>  >Or your suggestion that 
>>  >armed band of vigilantes should round up foreigners and throw them into 
>>  >concentration camps.  
>>  
>>    I did not talk about concentration camps but rather transit-camps,
>>  which the inmates were free to leave anytime to go anywhere (except back to
>>  Denmark). Not all foreigners are supposed to leave. Only those with the
>>  roots in the third world. Opinion polls have shown that more than 70 per cent
>>  of the Danish population do not want the multi-ethnic society in the first
>>  place. Give the people what the people wants.
>
>
>       In other words it's o.k. to have armed bands of vigilantes round up 
>foriegners and throw them into concentration camps.

Tsk, you and all your dilusions about "armed bands of vigilantes" and 
"concentration camps".

>>  
>>  >Or you outright anti-Semitism.  
>>  
>>    To you and many other Jews anti-Semitism is an epithet you label on 
>>  everyone who dares critize the Jews or comes across their interests.
>>
>
>       That's a lie and you know it.  Or shall we bring up your assertion that 
>the ADL hires roving bands of vandals to eliminate references about Jews from 
>libraries.  

Now you become frenzied and exagerate and distort what I said about a couple
of pages missing in a magazine from 1928 in a university library in Arizona.

>
>>  >Or your enthusiatic embrace of nazi race science.  
>>  
>>   I have just embraced *general* racial science. 
>
>       Please tell us how your position that Ayrans are at the "apex of 
>evolutionary development" is anything but nazi race science.  Please tell us the 
>name of a single recognized academic in the field of evolution or anthropolgy who 
>would consider that statement within the range of opinions held by those working 
>in that field.

  Gee you do not seem to know much of history. The idea of a superior Aryan 
race was first advanced by the French writer and diplomat Arthur de Gobineau
in his four volume work, Essai sur L'Inegalite des Races Humaines (An Essay 
on the Inequality of the Human Races). Views like his were widespread 
and accepted in Europe and the USA in second part of the last century and 
in the first part of this century. I do not think that the German Nazis
contributed much to racial science if anything at all. 

What do you think about the contemporary American racial theorist Madison 
Grant by the way?
                                   
>>  
>>  >Or your advocacy of nazi groups in the United 
>>  >States.
>
>       No aswer.  I wonder why.  Perhaps becasue o your enthusiasic support 
>of neo-nazi groups in the United States including propaganziing for them, lying for 
>them, and making excuses for their violent activities?

  The National Alliance is not a true Nazi Group. They do not call 
themselves national socialists, and they do not apply nazisymbols. However 
they are somewhat inspired by national socialism, but they are first and 
foremost Americans, and I think that they are intelligent enough to 
understand that there is too much difference between American and German 
culture, mentality and history to make it possible to import national 
socialism to the USA. You cannot sell nazism to a broader American public 
or Danish public for that matter. It will not fit in.
                                    
>>  
>>    Only Germans can be true nazis. 
>
>       O.K. nazi-boy, you're a nazi wannabe.  Happy?
>
  Forget about nazism. That is what I have done. 
  
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr  2 09:25:06 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: The Escape of the Danish Jews during WW2
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  This is a reposting of an article, which I think will be of interest to
newcomers to these newsgroups. Part of it has been printed in two Danish
newspapers as letters to the editor. The information is taken from a 
textbook in historical criticism applied at the University of Copenhagen in 
the 70s:

         The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
       October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
       According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
       nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews.
         As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.
       When this event is mentioned it is often forgotten how much money
       "heroic" Danes received for their effort. An example from the
       book, October 1943 by the former anti-German resistance leader
       Aage Berthelsen page 67-69 shows that a skipper received 100000
       DKR (app. US$ 16000) for sailing 230 Jews to Sweden the night
       between the 8th and 9th October 1943. Exactly how much this sum of
       money corresponds to today after 52 years of inflation I am not
       sure, but in 1943 a skilled worker in Denmark earned around 5000
       DKR (app. US$ 800) per year. The skipper had bought the boat for
       25000 DKR (app. US$ 4000). This means that he received 4 times the
       value of the boat for a single trip over the narrow sound between
       Denmark and Sweden. Because the engine of the boat was not able to
       start that night a "heroic" fishing boat skipper scored further
       17000 DKR (app. US$ 2600) for towing the boat to Sweden.
         Beside the Jew transportations many Danes also earned well on
       deliveries of war material, provisions etc to the Germans. In fact
       Denmark had the highest standard of living among all the countries
       in Europe involved in the war including Germany.
         Concerning Sweden that received the Jews it should be mentioned
       that Sweden gave the Germans permission to send their military in
       transit through Sweden to Norway. When the elephants are fighting
       the mice are in danger of being trampled down, and for small
       neutral countries like Sweden and Denmark it was wise to be nice
       to everyone and thereby hoping to get as unharmed as possible out
       of the war. In Denmark 2 per cent of the population voted on the
       Danish Naziparty in the elections of 1939 and 1943, and 2 percent
       were affiliated with the resistance movement against the German
       occupation towards the end of the war. The remaining 96 per cent
       supported more or less the pragmatic neutrality policy of the
       legal Danish government.
         If it really was so important for the Germans to exterminate the
       Jews how come that high-ranking German officials in Denmark like
       Duckwitz, Best and Renthe-Fink all tried to dissuade the German
       government from apprehending and deporting the Danish Jews to
       camps in Central Europe. How could it be tolerated that Duckwitz
       (a German official) on his "own" initiative went to Sweden before 
       the escape in order to get the Swedish acceptance of the reception 
       of the Danish Jews. Why happened all German patrol boats to be in 
       harbour when the escape was going on? Why did not these German 
       officials receive as much as a reprimand from their superiors in 
       Berlin, when it was discovered that almost all of the Danish Jews 
       had escaped.
         I think that there are much in this story that proves that it
       was not basically the plans of Germans to exterminate the Jews but
       only to get rid of them through emigration or deportation.

       Ole Kreiberg
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In article <4jkoj9$3qg@orb.direct.ca>, Cthulhu wrote:
>In article <3jLLnOev1Ww9065yn@login.dknet.dk>, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>  In this country you do not have these anti-racist rallies any more, 
>>because fewer and fewer attended. People are just fed up with the multiethnic
>>society and all the propaganda and unconstitutional repression in order 
>>to make it "acceptable". Recently an opinion poll in a newspaper showed
>>that more than 70 per cent of the Danish population do not want the 
>>multiethnic society in the first place. Multiracialism sucks and stinks.
>
>Welcome to the present. It's too bad for people like you that 
>multiculturalism, even if not actively practiced by the state, is here to 
>stay.

  Like in Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Cyprus, Northern Ireland etc.. 
Multiculturalism sucks. 

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Apr  4 07:20:45 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Hate Propaganda
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In article <4jqh7p$n48@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <4jkuvn$di9@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>  >You believe in nazi race science.  You believe in the nazi goals.  You lie 
>>  >consistently to justify their actions.  You are a nazi.
>>  >
>>    To you "liar" and "nazi" are just empty words that you fling in the teeth 
>>  on everybody that you disagree with.
>>  
>>
>>>>>
>       The whine of the anti-Semite.  

  Typical of the anti-revisionists. First they smear their victims by 
wrongfully calling them "liars" and "nazis". When the victim then speaks 
out against the wrong, they cry "the whine of an anti-Semite". 

>And to think, nazi-boy, that you claim 
>that you stand at the apex of evolution.  

  If you are able to calm down for a moment, then please try to answer
these questions. The nazis claimed that the Aryan Germans were standing
on the apex of evolution. This they based on biology. The Jews (not 
necessarily all of them) claim to be God's chosen people with a special
mission to the rest of mankind. While the nazis were only basing their
allegation of superiority on biology, the Jews are basing their allegation
of superiority on divinity. Now who do think suffer most from megalomania? 
The Jews or the nazis? As far as I know the mental hospitals are teeming 
with patients suffering from delusions of divine greatness, while it is very 
rare to find patients with ideas of biological greatness.  

  Usually paranoia is a concomitant phenomenon of megalomania. The nazis  
saw Jewish conspiracies on every streetcorner. The Jews on the other hand
see nazis and anti-semites on every streetcorner. As you know it is
impossible to talk megalomaniacs and paranoiacs out of their delusions. So I
think all my efforts of convincing you that I am not nazi, are in vain. Just
keep on looking under your bed every evening before you go to bed to see if 
any nazis are hiding there. Remember "it" must never happen again. Remember
to chant "never again, never again" before you go to sleep. :-) 

  Yassir Arafat once said in an interview to the Danish television: "The  
Jewish religion is most racist in the world, because it claims the Jews 
to be God's chosen people". Later in the interview he was asked whether 
he was an anti-Semite. He answered with a grin: "I am a Semite. Arabs are 
Semites"

  Now I have criticized the Jews. The Jewish organisations such
as the European Jewish Congress must now feverishly try to make pressure on
the Danish government through the EU in order to legislate against 
"racism and anti-semitism" (read criticism of the Jews). The Jews cannot
do anything wrong (because of their innate "divinity" I presume) and must 
therefore be protected against criticism by the law like in crazy 
STASI-Germany and Funny-France.

>You are a liar.  You are a nazi.  They 
>are hardly empty words in your case.  They are a statement of fact.

Yawning. Yale Edeiken's usual ravings. Look out for the nazis, Yale, the 
end of the world is coming soon. :-)

Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <3162ee0f.7973086@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris wrote:
>
>Mr. Kreiberg is a racist and Nationalist and proud of it. Mr.
>Kreiberg's public pronouncemnets are indicative of where he stands:
>
>  -he has stated publicly a plan to rid Denmark of the "wogs" by
>   rounding them up, interning them, and expelling them from Demark
>
>  -he states publicly his belief in the validity of "racial science"
>
>  -he has stated publicly his sympathy and support for such
>   organizations as the American neo-nazi group the National
>   Alliance
>
>Mr. Kreiberg's pronouncments allow for many points of comparison
>between his philosophy and the philosophy of the Nazis. In a broad
>sense, it is a perfectly fair comment to call Mr. Kreiberg a "nazi."

  Nazism was like communism a revolutionary and totalitarian ideology. To be 
a nazi you must be in favour of dictatorship, militarism and social 
darwinism. I do not subscribe to any of those, and I want to preserve the 
social welfare state.  

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Apr  5 10:06:05 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Multiracialism Still Sucks
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In article <4jtsuh$s5u@news1.ucsd.edu>, Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>: In article <4j8iau$d79@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, actium@ix.netcom.co wrote:
>: >
>: >Miscegenation has wiped racism out in South America! Duhhhhhhh!
>
>:  Miscegenation has made South America a part of the third world forever. 
>
>
>May we have proof of that?

Have you a proof that it is not so.

  It is often forgotten that to most people the truth about the racial 
differences is so compelling obvious that the burden of proof must lie 
with those who proclaim the racial equality - and not the other way round. 

  It is not possible to display just one instance from history that  
some desirable can result from miscegenation, while there are 
plenty of instances of the contrary. 

Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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You were just posting a follow-up of a follow-up. The original posting
was: 


  The anti-racialist idea of a natural and inborn racial equality
is nothing but a political doctrin based on wishful thinking. 

  It is often forgotten that to most people the truth about the racial 
differences is so compelling obvious that the burden of proof must lie 
with those who proclaim the racial equality - and not the other way round. 

  It is not possible to display just one instance from history that  
some desirable can result from miscegenation, while there are 
plenty of instances of the contrary. 

  The first law of nature is self-preservation. That also applies to ethnic
groups and nations.

  Let me qoute from Benjamin Disraeli who was a premier minister in England
>from  1874-80 and of Jewish descent:

  "No one must lightly dismiss the question of race. It is the key to  
  world history, and it is precisely for this reason that written history
  so often lacks clarity - it is written by people who do not understand
  the race question and what belongs to it. Language and religion do not
  make a race, only blood does that."  (Endymion) 


Ole Kreiberg


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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Apr  8 22:27:57 PDT 1996
Article: 16899 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Who Is White? A: All Ethnic Europeans Are White
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  All Ethnic Europeans are White. Natives to the Middle East are in the 
grey zone between White and Coloured. Some southern Europeans may
fall into the grey zone as well and may thus be regarded fringe elements
of the White race.

Ole Kreiberg


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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr  9 07:14:37 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article <4k6867$som@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  >
>>  >First off, you did not read the quotation in the Jerusalem Post as
>>  >your original post indicated. You read it on the cover of a book which
>>  >denies the Holocaust:
>>  
>>  I did not indicated where I had read it. Just that it was supposed to be 
>>  derived from the Jerusalem Post. 
>>  
>
>       That is an outright lie.  You first claimed you were relying "in good faith" 
>on the Jerusalem Post.  Second,  you did not just fail to indicate where you read it, 
>you concealed it when asked several times about it.
>
  What is the intention of these quibblings? I believed in good faith 
that the Krakowski quotation from the Jerusalem on the cover of 
the English edition of the Leuchter report was correct. It has not been 
proved that this quotation was not taken literally from the Jerusalem Post. 
It does not matter where I got it from. What matters is, whether or not it 
is correct. 

>>  
>>    I have only your word for that. How can I be sure that it is not you that
>>  are lying? Why should I trust you? Are you anti-revisionists supposed to be 
>>  particular honest?
>
>       That is wrong again.  The denial by Krakowski was posted here.  You 
>have every right to check it out.  Do so.  After you have satisfied yourself that the 
>statement you printed was denied as by the person supposedly making, come 
>back and tell us what you think of those who lied to you.

  You are telling me that Krakowski made a denial shortly after, and you 
want me to believe that. If it is true he could have been under pressure 
because what he was saying might damage the Jewish cause. Maybe he realized 
that himself and then made his denial. Who knows?

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr  9 10:33:38 PDT 1996
Article: 30327 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: True Hate Propaganda
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In article <4k6a0g$som@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  
>>    I have explained that at least one hundred and one times. Just let me 
>>  repeat it again. Hitler said that national socialism knows only Germany and
>>  is not meant for export.
>
>       Odd then that Hitler tried so hard to export it.  

  So where did he try to export this ideology? Not to Denmark? Hitler was 
first and foremost a German chavinist. Racialism was an auxiliary ideology
he used to justify the alleged _German_ superiority. He wanted to make 
Germany great, not e.g. Denmark, Holland and France. He fought for 
Germany not the Aryan race. 

>Odd as well that so many 
>of the groups which you support, specifically the National Alliance -- 
>are philosphically and practically neo-nazi organizations.
>
  Well this is your subjective evaluation. To me the National Alliance is
a true White American patriotic organisation. Have you ever heard them
speak out against the American constitution and in favour of a superstrong
dictatorial government in charge of every move of it's citizens. By the way 
is that what American right-wingers want? I guess not. 

The White Americans are a blend of immigrants from different European 
nationalities. Because it has succeded in USA to absorb a lot of other 
European nationalities in the original White Anglo Saxon Protestant 
nationality, Americans think more in the terms of race than in nationality. 
This is not the case in European nations. Just take a look on e.g. Northern 
Ireland and the Former Yugolavia, and you will understand.

>
>
>> I am not a German and I do not identify myself
>>  with anything German.
>
>       Except, of course for naziism.
>
>>    I never use the expression "Aryan race" except when I am referring to the 
>>  nazis and others that apply this term. I prefer the term "the White race". 
>>  The Aryan race in the Nazi-terminology was mostly identified with the 
>>  Nordic race which is a sub-race of the White race. 
>
>       I note that you do not deny the quote.  You are very good at making up 
>your own definitions and then expecting all others to accept them.  Sorry, 
>nazi-boy, what you are telling us is that you believe in nazi "race scinece" with a 
>slightly broader definition.  I *have* read Rosenberg (in translation) and he makes 
>no such restriction.  While his favorite "Aryans" were Nordics, his definition was 
>similar to yours.
>
  Well the nazis may have adopted something here and there from what I 
regard the racial truth. They also called themselves socialists 
(national socialists). Do you then think that everybody who call themselves
socialists are nazis? Are Scandinavian socialdemocrats, members of the 
English labour party, the French socialist party nazis? Were the communists
nazis? Are the Israeli Labour government nazi? So you see you cannot just 
fling the word "nazi" in the teeth of everybody who may superficially  
in certain fields resemble the true German nazis. 

  Finally I base my understanding of the meaning of the racial differences 
on the experience of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of 
nature. What ever some krauts were fooling around with more than 50 years 
ago is not really my problem.

Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Edeiken & the Krakowski Quotation Quibbling
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In article <3169f851.35072198@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Apr 1996 22:32:01 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)

>     The following are critical comments by mostly Jews about the
>   credibility of the Jewish Holocaust eyewitnesses:  
>
>       "A large number of testimonials on file were later proved to be
>
>       inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert 
>       historian's appraisal"   
>
>                             -Shmuel Krakowski
>                   Director of Archives, Yad Vashem, Israel.
>             Interview in Jerusalem Post, 17th August 1986; page 1
>
>The source you gave was the Jerusalem Post. Where does it say anything
>here about book by Fred Leuchter? When you cite your source, you are
>supposed to cite your *immediate* source.

  Why? I read in good faith that the above-mentioned quotation was derived 
>from  the Jerusalem Post. So far nobody has been able to prove that this 
quotation was a fake. It *is* from the Jerusalem Post. So I was correct in
quoting that it was from the Jerusalem Post. Is that clear? It is the 
primary source that counts. Maybe he was not quoted correctly in the
Jerusalem Post, but the quote was still there, so I have not lied about 
anything. I had not heard anything about his supposed later letter to 
Editor when I was posting the above-mentioned. 

  It is typical of the anti-revisionists to denounce everything which come 
>from  revisionists as "lies". If I say that the Earth is round and that I 
have heard that from Ernst Zuendel and Fred Leuchter, the anti-revisionists 
will immediately shout that it is flat and that I am liar.  

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Apr 14 09:26:12 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Kreiberg is not a nazi and he never lies
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In article <4kf5ji$rpb@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  
>>    You are telling me that Krakowski made a denial shortly after, and you 
>>  want me to believe that.
>
>       No, I want you to check it out. 

  You have not checked it out yourself, and you call me a liar for not 
having checked it out. 

Ole Kreiberg


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Article: 30999 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Nazism Died in 1945
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In article <4khim2$4kq@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  
>>    Try to forget about nazism. It belongs to a bygone age. It was a failure  
>>  and I cannot see that it will be of any use to try to revive that cadaver.
>>  
>>>>>
>       Then why are you trying, nazi-boy?
>

  As I have told several times before, my political goal is to create a 
ethnic homogenous society. For that purpose I do not need to copy 
anything from the past of Germany. By the way there were not any 
people from the third world living in Germany before Hitler came to power.
There was no problem with immigration and political "refugees"
>from  the third world. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Apr 14 09:26:14 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Self-hate and Guilt
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In article <199604121637.MAA01685@access5.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>In article ,
>Ole Kreiberg  wrote:
>>native population. Some Jews may label me an "anti-semite" for critizising 
>>the Israeli treatment of the (semitic) Palestinians, but would I be labelled 
>>"anti-American" or an "American-hater" for critizising the treatment of the 
>>native Americans by the USA?
>
>    What gets one labeled an antisemite, or anti-American, or whatever, is
>not the criticism per se.  Rather, it is focusing one's criticism on one
>particular group even though similar evils are being committed by other
>people.  Someone who consistently condemns injustice regardless of who is
>committing it is anti-injustice.  Someone who condemns injustice except
>when committed by his/her own "group" (whatever that may be) is
>hypocritical.  Someone who makes a practice of speaking out only against
>injustices committed by one particular group gives the clear appearance of
>being less concerned with injustice than with attacking the criticized
>group - that the citation of the injustice is merely a case of "any stick
>to beat a dog."
>
>    Posted/emailed.

  Everytime an atrocity is committed by members of the White race an outcry
is made in the massmedia. In Bosnia 10000 Muslims are supposed to have been
massacred by Christian Serbs. In Rwanda nearly a million Blacks are supposed
to have been massacred by other Blacks. Still the atrocities committed by
White people in Bosnia get most attention and have most "guilt" attached. 
All of "Europe" and even the remote USA have a "responsibily", while in 
the case of Rwanda the rest of Africa does not seem to have any particular 
"guilt" and "responsibility. On the contrary even here it is suggested 
that the evil "Europeans" have "guilt" and "responsibility", because Rwanda 
was once a Belgian colony. 

  However, it is regarded war-crimes what went on there, and attempts are 
made to procecute some of the Africans who were behind this massacre. It
is however only because of it's ethnic character that it is regarded "a 
crime against humanity". Idi Amin killed 100,000 of his own countrymen in 
Uganda and Pol Pot killed one million in Cambodja. These two men are still 
free and not the slightest attempts have made been made from the so-called
international community to procecute them, because they did not commit their
atrocities out of ethnic motives, and they are not White. 

  More people died in communist camps than in nazi camps and still not a 
single camp commander or guard from the comminist camps has been charged.  

  The White race is the most vilified ethnic group in the world. It 
constitutes only a minority of the world population. If you speak in favour
of the White race you will receive an outcry. You will be labelled
"racist" if you are White, and you will even hear that the "White race does 
not exist". If a White person say the same about the Jewish People that it 
does not exist or at least that the Jewish victims from the WW2 did not 
exist, he/she will immediately be labeled "anti-semite", "nazi", "bigot" 
etc. 

Ole Kreiberg  
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In article <199604121637.MAA01685@access5.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>In article ,
>Ole Kreiberg  wrote:
>>native population. Some Jews may label me an "anti-semite" for critizising 
>>the Israeli treatment of the (semitic) Palestinians, but would I be labelled 
>>"anti-American" or an "American-hater" for critizising the treatment of the 
>>native Americans by the USA?
>
>    What gets one labeled an antisemite, or anti-American, or whatever, is
>not the criticism per se.  Rather, it is focusing one's criticism on one
>particular group even though similar evils are being committed by other
>people.  Someone who consistently condemns injustice regardless of who is
>committing it is anti-injustice.  Someone who condemns injustice except
>when committed by his/her own "group" (whatever that may be) is
>hypocritical.  Someone who makes a practice of speaking out only against
>injustices committed by one particular group gives the clear appearance of
>being less concerned with injustice than with attacking the criticized
>group - that the citation of the injustice is merely a case of "any stick
>to beat a dog."
>
>    Posted/emailed.

  Everytime an atrocity is committed by members of the White race an outcry
is made in the massmedia. In Bosnia 10000 Muslims are supposed to have been
massacred by Christian Serbs. In Rwanda nearly a million Blacks are supposed
to have been massacred by other Blacks. Still the atrocities committed by
White people in Bosnia get most attention and have most "guilt" attached. 
All of "Europe" and even the remote USA have a "responsibily", while in 
the case of Rwanda the rest of Africa does not seem to have any particular 
"guilt" and "responsibility. On the contrary even here it is suggested 
that the evil "Europeans" have "guilt" and "responsibility", because Rwanda 
was once a Belgian colony. 

  However, it is regarded war-crimes what went on there, and attempts are 
made to procecute some of the Africans who were behind this massacre. It
is however only because of it's ethnic character that it is regarded "a 
crime against humanity". Idi Amin killed 100,000 of his own countrymen in 
Uganda and Pol Pot killed one million in Cambodja. These two men are still 
free and not the slightest attempts have made been made from the so-called
international community to procecute them, because they did not commit their
atrocities out of ethnic motives, and they are not White. 

  More people died in communist camps than in nazi camps and still not a 
single camp commander or guard from the comminist camps has been charged.  

  The White race is the most vilified ethnic group in the world. It 
constitutes only a minority of the world population. If you speak in favour
of the White race you will receive an outcry. You will be labelled
"racist" if you are White, and you will even hear that the "White race does 
not exist". If a White person say the same about the Jewish People that it 
does not exist or at least that the Jewish victims from the WW2 did not 
exist, he/she will immediately be labeled "anti-semite", "nazi", "bigot" 
etc. 

Ole Kreiberg  
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <4kha5k$gct@news.nyu.edu>, Jeremy A. Litt wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>:   Yes, it is the policy to have them deported in a quiet and smooth manner
>: as possible. They will receive money for leaving the country voluntarily
>: within two years. Only those who refuse to leave will have to stay 
>: temporarily in those transit-camps. Even after the expiry of the respite
>: of two years those who cooperate will be able to receive a smaller amount of
>: money and leave in full dignity. As little fuss as possible should be made 
>: around these people. Therefore they should keep all their social rights and 
>: live normal lives until they will be picked up late at night one family 
>: group or single individual at a time in the course of e.g. one year. Big 
>: groups from the same place at a time could create unnecessary and unwanted 
>: tension. You just pick somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure 
>: on the rest in order to make them cooperate. They will of course all be 
>: notified of the expiry of the respite and the consequences of not 
>: cooperating (that is tranfer to temporary transit-camps) in good time.   
>
>No let me aks you what you would do if the government came for YOU 
>because you were a neo-Nazi, took you in the middle of the night, put you 
>in a camp and held you there, and then deported you.
>
I can only say that banishment has been abolished centuries ago.

>Ten bucks says you'd be hollering about the government infringing your 
>rights.

The way I see it, I have those right because I am an ethnic Dane, and I 
do not want to share them with undesired ethnic groups. 

>
>You're a sick, sick boy.

  On the contrary, I stand for common sense and sanity. The first law of 
nature is self-preservation. This law applies to nations and ethnic groups 
as well. I do not want to rule over other ethnic groups (supremacy) and 
being consistent I symphatize with all other ethnic groups striving to 
preserve themselves. I feel that I have politically more in common with 
e.g. Louis Farrakhan and the NOI than I have with so-called liberal Whites 
(that is anti-White Whites).

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Apr 15 07:14:58 PDT 1996
Article: 31164 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg writes:
>
>[bla-bla-bla again]
>
>Ok, Kreiberg, I'll try to put it into terms you can understand.
>
>Suppose there's this person called, say, Small Cryborg. Suppose
>further that  Mr. Cryborg is interviewed by a newspaper about his 
>plan to expel a large number of people he doesn't like from his
>country, or to build cremation furnaces that will withstand the
>force of corpses exploding inside them, whatever.
>
>Now, the morning after, Mr. Cryborg buys the newspaper, eagerly
>waiting to see the interview. To his astonishment, he sees that
>the interviewer has quoted him as saying his mother was a whore,
>although he never said that.
>
>So Mr. Cryborg writes a letter to the newspaper, saying "I was 
>astounded by the blatant misquote in your interview with me. I
>never said that my mother was a whore, and this is totally untrue;
>she was never a whore. Why did you misquote me like that?"
>
>Now, the letter is published; yet, people who are enemies of
>Mr. Cryborg, continue to quote the original, false article,
>and intentionally fail to mention that Mr. Cryborg denied
>the incorrect allegations in it.
>
>Now, as a proud White Man, look me in the eyes and say: aren't
>these enemies of Mr. Cryborg liars and propagandists?
>
>I am sure that you'll answer "yes, they are".
>
>But then, what about the people who do the same kind of thing
>to Dr. Krakowski? Aren't they liars and propagandists too?
>
>
  Well you anti-revisionists may have found a flaw in some of the 
revisionist material and you are triumphing, while you are trying to make 
it look like all revisionism is untrustworthy. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Apr 15 07:14:59 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Edeiken & the Krakowski Quotation Quibbling
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In article <316d0f21.937948@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris wrote:
>
>But the issue now is whether you will continue to believe that Barbara
>Amouyal's article is an accurate reflection of what Krakowski said, or
>whether Krakowski should be allowed to have the final word on what he
>said. The issue now is whether you will continue to say that Krakowski
>said what was reported in the Jerusalem Post now that you know he
>denied saying it.

  Of course in that case I would have to study the original article and the 
supposed letter to the editor. I would also have to study the depositions 
>from  all the alleged witnesses. Then I could make a final conclusion.

>But more broadly, revisionism is denounced as lies because it *is* a
>pack of lies made up to serve ulterior political motives.
>
  Well I could say exactly the same about the holocaust story. The 
revisionists are a very heterogeneous group and you cannot generalize
their political motives like that. A lot of them may not have a political 
motive at all. What are the political motives of e.g. Bradley Smith and
David Cole. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Apr 17 07:38:47 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "Hate Monger" Broadcasts?
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In <4kpbpu$se7@news.xs4all.nl> hbhjv@xs4all.nl (Herbert Visser) writes:
>
>You know what we do with people like
>> you ??  We arrest them  and put them in jail.  If an American is
>>spreading racist propaganda in Europe, via leaflets and so on, that
>> person will be arrested the moment he will be spotted over here.
>> I don't see any difference with Americans who broadcast hate
>> radio progarmmes directed against minor races, and whose broadcasts
>> can be picked up in Europe or whose web pages can be seen on 
>>Internet over here. 
>>
>>                                           Herbert Visser
>>                                            Amsterdam

  I  think that you are trying to bluff Kevin Strom. I was in the USA for 
half a year in 1994, and I listened every saturday evening to "American 
Dissident Voices". I do not think that it violated any race-laws in any 
European country. It is only certain rhetoric similiar to that used by the 
German Nazis in the thirties which may be punishable (in my country, 
Denmark at least). I have spoken out in public against multiracialism and 
immigration from the third world for years and I have never had any 
problems. Even if the race-laws were not there I would never have applied 
the banned rhetorics anyhow.

  Another thing is that Herbert Visser comes from the most neurotic and
self-hating European country. To many Dutch people the anti-racist doctrines 
are like a religion worshipped with fanatism. Such kind of fanatism always 
creates persecution of dissidents. 

Ole Kreiberg
  
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Apr 18 22:17:23 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "Hate Monger" Broadcasts?
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In <4kpbpu$se7@news.xs4all.nl> hbhjv@xs4all.nl (Herbert Visser) writes:
>
>You know what we do with people like
>> you ??  We arrest them  and put them in jail.  If an American is
>>spreading racist propaganda in Europe, via leaflets and so on, that
>> person will be arrested the moment he will be spotted over here.
>> I don't see any difference with Americans who broadcast hate
>> radio progarmmes directed against minor races, and whose broadcasts
>> can be picked up in Europe or whose web pages can be seen on 
>>Internet over here. 
>>
>>                                           Herbert Visser
>>                                            Amsterdam

  I  think that you are trying to bluff Kevin Strom. I was in the USA for 
half a year in 1994, and I listened every saturday evening to "American 
Dissident Voices". I do not think that it violated any race-laws in any 
European country. It is only certain rhetoric similiar to that used by the 
German Nazis in the thirties which may be punishable (in my country, 
Denmark at least). I have spoken out in public against multiracialism and 
immigration from the third world for years and I have never had any 
problems. Even if the race-laws were not there I would never have applied 
the banned rhetorics anyhow.

  Another thing is that Herbert Visser comes from the most neurotic and
self-hating European country. To many Dutch people the anti-racist doctrines 
are like a religion worshipped with fanatism. Such kind of fanatism always 
creates persecution of dissidents. 

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr 23 10:49:09 PDT 1996
Article: 32389 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: True Nazism Died in 1945
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In article <13APR199606285051@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>, Daniel Mittleman wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes...
>> 
>>  As I have told several times before, my political goal is to create a 
>>ethnic homogenous society. For that purpose I do not need to copy 
>>anything from the past of Germany. By the way there were not any 
>>people from the third world living in Germany before Hitler came to power.
>>There was no problem with immigration and political "refugees"
>>from the third world. 
>
>    There were also no jet aircraft, no computers, no digital telephone
>    lines, and no televisions in Germany before Hitler.  Do you see a cause
>    and effect situation with any of these?
>
>    The world has become a very small very cosmopoliton place due to the
>    technologies mentioned above.  Because of that the entire world is
>    becoming increasingly heterogeneous.  This pattern will continue for
>    the forseable future.  Whether it is good or bad (I think it is good),
>    I don't believe it is stoppable.
>
  Where there is a will there is a way. If you want to stop and reverse the
immigration you can do so. Of course you must be willing to pay some human
costs. You get nothing for free in life. 

Ole Kreiberg
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Edeiken & the Krakowski Quotation Quibbling
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In article <317330ef.10310940@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:29:56 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
>wrote:
>
>But whatever the political or personal motives of an individual
>denier, the key thing is to be certain that what they are saying is
>the truth. Not just a partial truth that can be used as a stick to
>beat "the Jews," but the whole truth.
>
  You forget another factor. Today the holocaust story is not just about
what happened to some Jews during the WW2. It is used to serve various 
propaganda purposes. One is to "legitimate" the theft of Arab Palestine by
the Zionists. It is also used in the propaganda in favour of the 
multi-ethnic society. If you do not accept to coexist with other ethnic
groups then for some reason a new holocaust is supposed to happen and all 
that ad nauseam. If it was kept as an affair between the Jews and the 
Germans, which it in my opinion really is, I would not be such a keen 
revisionist. I may not have become interested in the subject in the first 
place. I do not feel that I owe the Jews or the Germans anything.
Nevertheless both the Jews and the Germans have the cheek to put pressure 
on the Danish goverment in order to legislate what people in Denmark 
should be allowed to think about a part of German history. This bothers me 
a great deal. Furthermore to me it indicates a weakness to forbid critism 
or opposition to something. 

Ole Kreiberg


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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Apr 23 11:10:27 PDT 1996
Article: 26274 of alt.politics.white-power
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Subject: A Real Case against the Jews by Marcus E Ravage
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         The following is an article written by an American Jew in 1928:

                            A Real Case Against Jews

                              by Marcus Eli Ravage
                                 reprinted from
                              The Century Magazine
                                  January 1928

         Of course, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don't.
       So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you
       do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some
       of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that
       before once or twice, I think. And I know too, that you do not
       include me personally - "me" being any particular individual Jew -
       when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am,
       well, so different, don't you know, almost as good as one of
       yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to
       gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive,
       climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike - those, in a
       world, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren.
       We understand each other perfectly. I don't hold it against you.
         Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The
       thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you
       play at it, you make such fantastic and transparent excuses, you
       seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if
       the performance were not so grotesque it would be irritating.
         It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over
       fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish
       pretexts, one might get the impression that you did not know
       yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot
       clearly say why. You think up a new excuse - a "reason" is what
       you call it - every other day. You have been piling up
       justification for yourself these many hundreds of years and each
       new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse
       contradicts and annihilates the last.
         Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers
       and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered
       around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish
       invasion.
         We are, if you are to be believed, at once clannish and
       exclusive, and unassimilable because we won't intermarry with you,
       and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial
       integrity.
         Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and
       sweat industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best
       residential sections. We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime
       because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the
       arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of
       those wars (see "The protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion".)
         We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism
       and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.
         Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!
         And oh! I almost forgot the reasons of reasons. We are the
       stiff-necked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are
       the criminal people who crucified its founder.
         But I tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the
       self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up
       to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem
       to think, we crucified Jesus but because we gave him birth. Your
       real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but
       that we have imposed it upon you!
         Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on
       the blackness of our proved historic offence. You accuse us of
       stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge.
       What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished
       in Rome, the Russian upheavals a mere street brawl.
         You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in
       your theatres and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint
       is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering
       influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and your
       governments, and the very thoughts you think every day?
         A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and  publishes them in a
       book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which shows that
       we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book.
       All right. For the sake of argument, we will underwrite every word
       of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that besides the
       unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out,
       which we never have denied because you never had the courage to
       charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for
       anybody to read?
         If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I
       not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is
       it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by
       Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you
       might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole
       civilization by the Jewish Gospels?
         You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We
       are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken
       your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc
       with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest
       Great War but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but
       of nearly every other major revolution in your history. We have
       brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal
       and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long,
       we shall go on doing it.
         Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred
       years ago you were an innocent, care-free pagan race. You
       worshipped countless Gods and Goddesses, the spirits of the air,
       of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing
       pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your
       gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the
       combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and
       slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting
       yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great
       outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of
       life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy.
       Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of
       the social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about
       human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might
       have been yours if we had left you alone.
         But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled
       down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and
       changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no
       empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all
       without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any
       kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit,
       with ideas, with propaganda.
         We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission
       to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the world, to the
       countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we
       were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial
       tradition, carrying our gospel to unexplored ends of the earth.
         Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our
       tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august
       constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales
       are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets
       have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national
       history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your
       pastors and priests and scholars. Our Kings, our statesmen, our
       prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country
       is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible.
       What our people thought and taught has become inextricable woven
       into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be
       called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.
         Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your
       saints, with countless statues carved in their image and
       innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden
       is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet
       is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled
       down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and
       substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in
       history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our
       conquest over you.
         How did we do it? Almost by accident. Nearly two thousand years
       ago in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and
       materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple.
       Degenerate, selfish priests grew fat. Then a young patriot-
       idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of
       the faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all
       the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize
       the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-
       changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the
       established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman
       authorities , who were in occupation of the country, fearing his
       revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them,
       arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion,
       a common form of execution at that time. The followers of Jesus of
       Nazereth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and
       disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves
       into a brotherhood of pacifists non-resisters, sharing their
       memory of their crucified leader and living together
       communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without
       power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.
         Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the
       new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or
       Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying
       the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-
       resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He
       became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one
       of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul
       do his work that within  four centuries the great empire which had
       subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of
       ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official
       religion of Rome.
         This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it
       was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little
       more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit
       and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are
       religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or
       another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your
       primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the
       pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our Gospel arose to
       down you and re-enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal
       revolutions in modern times - the French, the American, and the
       Russian. What are they but the triumphs of the Jewish idea of
       social, political and economic justice?
         And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At
       this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war
       between  Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between
       those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and
       those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. Again and
       again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage
       censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And
       while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish
       influence in the movies.
         Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your
       progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien
       faith which you cannot digest, which is at cross-purposes with
       your native spirit, which keeps you everlasting ill-at-ease, and
       which you lack the spirit to either reject or accept in full.
         In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian
       teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still take
       pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social
       conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social
       revolution, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely
       divided your soul. confused your impulses and paralysed your
       desires. In the midst of the battle you are obliged to kneel down
       to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said "Resist
       not evil" and "Blessed are the peace-makers". In your lust for
       gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday
       school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your
       industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without
       compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed
       and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And you
       are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a
       deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from
       your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that
       extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the
       fun of paganism for you.
         So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we
       should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we
       should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort
       to subterfuges and transparent pretext. With millions of painfully
       respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult
       your intelligence and your own honesty by talking about communism
       as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions hard-working impecunious
       Jewish peddlers and labourers we should make ourselves ridiculous
       by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No
       we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this
       confused ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-
       Christian half-pagan medley, and - we should say to you point-
       blank: "For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets, and your
       Bible."



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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Apr 25 21:14:49 PDT 1996
Article: 26492 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Commissary to the Gentiles by M E Ravage
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:40:04 +0100
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In article <830197410snz@augur.demon.co.uk>, Caesar  wrote:
>In article 
>           olk@login.dknet.dk "Ole Kreiberg" writes:
>
>> 
>>  
>>                This is an article written by an American Jew in 1928:
>> 
>>                               The Century Magazine
>>                                  February 1928
>> 
>>                            Commissary to the Gentiles
>>                                
>>                                  By M E Ravage
>> 
>[snip]
>
>Probably another fake, like the so-called "Protocols of the Learned Elders of
>Zion".
>
No, It's genuineness has been confirmed. You can find copies of the Century 
Magazine and the two articles in several libraries. M E Ravage was a 
wellknown writer who wrote several books.

Ole Kreiberg



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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Apr 28 12:14:06 PDT 1996
Article: 18392 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Euro Nationalism
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:52:39 +0100
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In article <4lmk1r$hcd@news1.panix.com>, Andrew Mathis wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk ("Niels Ebbesen") wrote:

>>Multinational Unions Suck.
>>Flush the European Union out in toilet.
>
>Why are you posting under a differnet name?

  That was an error. I use a pseudonym when I write about the "European 
Union" in some of the other newsgroups. However I forgot to change the 
settings before I wrote the former follow-up. What about you, why have 
you stopped posting under the name the "The Semitic Avenger"?

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed May  1 00:14:46 PDT 1996
Article: 18771 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: A Plan for the Creation of Ethnic Homogeneity
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:28:49 +0100
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  Some monthes ago I had a discussion in one of the Danish newsgroups
on whether it would be realistic one day to implement a repatriation of 
all the undesired third world immigrants and "refugees" in Denmark. I 
thought so and made the following blueprint for the re-creation of an 
ethnic homogeneous country:

1. Firstly, a political majority for this solution must be achieved.
I.e. a majority of the population would have voted in advance on one
or more parties which have such a home return in their program. 

2. Next, a suitable legislation will be put into effect in order to
implement the above. It will perhaps on certain occasions be necessary
to have referenda on constitutional changes before the legislation can
be carried through. All international treaties which could be in the
way, will be cancelled immediately. 

3. A special corps made up of volunteers from the police and the
military will be created for the purpose of fighting unrest or the
like in connection with carrying out the plan. 

4. All who do not have a Danish citizenship, and who ethnically and
culturally do not have their roots in Europe (or are descended from
Europeans who live outside Europe), will be expelled to the countries
in which they are citizens after a respite of two years. However, e.g.
70000 crowns plus travel will be granted to those who leave the
country voluntarily within the first year and e.g. 35000 crowns plus
travel will be payed to those who leave the country voluntarily within
the second year. 

5. Next, all citizenships granted after 1965 will be examined. All
persons and their children who fall under the unwanted category
mentioned above, will have their citizenships changed to temporary
B-citizenships. (Persons with double citizenship will however be
deprived of any form of Danish citizenship straight off.) A voluntary
home return arrangement similar to that in point 4, will be offered. 

6. On several desert Danish islands so-called transit camps will be
established for placement of those persons who for one reason or the
or other have not left the country voluntarily within the two year
respite of which they had been informed individually by Danish
authorities. It is very important to state that nobody will be held
against his own will. Everyone can go wherever he or she wishes,
except back to Denmark. The camps will have the status of
international territories under Danish administration. Visits to these
camps by irrelevant persons will only be allowed after applying for a
visa which in practice will be granted only exceptionally. Connected
to the camps there will be special offices which exclusively work at
finding a new country for the transit guests to settle in. Transit
guests who after a long wait in those dreary camps, will think of a
country which will receive them, will have the right to be transferred
within 24 hours to a fenced-off transit hotel, specially constructed
for this purpose, in the Kastrup airport, From there, the persons
concerned will be sent with the first available flight to the country
which will receive them. 


Ole Kreiberg
                                                  
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed May  1 00:18:16 PDT 1996
Article: 27243 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: A Plan for the Creation of Ethnic Homogeneity
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:50:14 +0100
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  Some monthes ago I had a discussion in one of the Danish newsgroups
on whether it one day would be realistic to implement a repatriation of 
all the undesired third world immigrants and "refugees" in Denmark. I 
thought so and made the following blueprint for the re-creation of an 
ethnic homogeneous country:

1. Firstly, a political majority for this solution must be achieved.
I.e. a majority of the population would have voted in advance on one
or more parties which have such a home return in their program. 

2. Next, a suitable legislation will be put into effect in order to
implement the above. It will perhaps on certain occasions be necessary
to have referenda on constitutional changes before the legislation can
be carried through. All international treaties which could be in the
way, will be cancelled immediately. 

3. A special corps made up of volunteers from the police and the
military will be created for the purpose of fighting unrest or the
like in connection with carrying out the plan. 

4. All who do not have a Danish citizenship, and who ethnically and
culturally do not have their roots in Europe (or are descended from
Europeans who live outside Europe), will be expelled to the countries
in which they are citizens after a respite of two years. However, e.g.
70000 crowns plus travel will be granted to those who leave the
country voluntarily within the first year and e.g. 35000 crowns plus
travel will be payed to those who leave the country voluntarily within
the second year. 

5. Next, all citizenships granted after 1965 will be examined. All
persons and their children who fall under the unwanted category
mentioned above, will have their citizenships changed to temporary
B-citizenships. (Persons with double citizenship will however be
deprived of any form of Danish citizenship straight off.) A voluntary
home return arrangement similar to that in point 4, will be offered. 

6. On several desert Danish islands so-called transit camps will be
established for placement of those persons who for one reason or the
or other have not left the country voluntarily within the two year
respite of which they had been informed individually by Danish
authorities. It is very important to state that nobody will be held
against his own will. Everyone can go wherever he or she wishes,
except back to Denmark. The camps will have the status of
international territories under Danish administration. Visits to these
camps by irrelevant persons will only be allowed after applying for a
visa which in practice will be granted only exceptionally. Connected
to the camps there will be special offices which exclusively work at
finding a new country for the transit guests to settle in. Transit
guests who after a long wait in those dreary camps, will think of a
country which will receive them, will have the right to be transferred
within 24 hours to a fenced-off transit hotel, specially constructed
for this purpose, in the Kastrup airport, From there, the persons
concerned will be sent with the first available flight to the country
which will receive them. 


Ole Kreiberg
                                                  

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed May  1 07:57:08 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: A Plan for the Creation of Ethnic Homogeneity
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:50:14 +0100
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  Some monthes ago I had a discussion in one of the Danish newsgroups
on whether it one day would be realistic to implement a repatriation of 
all the undesired third world immigrants and "refugees" in Denmark. I 
thought so and made the following blueprint for the re-creation of an 
ethnic homogeneous country:

1. Firstly, a political majority for this solution must be achieved.
I.e. a majority of the population would have voted in advance on one
or more parties which have such a home return in their program. 

2. Next, a suitable legislation will be put into effect in order to
implement the above. It will perhaps on certain occasions be necessary
to have referenda on constitutional changes before the legislation can
be carried through. All international treaties which could be in the
way, will be cancelled immediately. 

3. A special corps made up of volunteers from the police and the
military will be created for the purpose of fighting unrest or the
like in connection with carrying out the plan. 

4. All who do not have a Danish citizenship, and who ethnically and
culturally do not have their roots in Europe (or are descended from
Europeans who live outside Europe), will be expelled to the countries
in which they are citizens after a respite of two years. However, e.g.
70000 crowns plus travel will be granted to those who leave the
country voluntarily within the first year and e.g. 35000 crowns plus
travel will be payed to those who leave the country voluntarily within
the second year. 

5. Next, all citizenships granted after 1965 will be examined. All
persons and their children who fall under the unwanted category
mentioned above, will have their citizenships changed to temporary
B-citizenships. (Persons with double citizenship will however be
deprived of any form of Danish citizenship straight off.) A voluntary
home return arrangement similar to that in point 4, will be offered. 

6. On several desert Danish islands so-called transit camps will be
established for placement of those persons who for one reason or the
or other have not left the country voluntarily within the two year
respite of which they had been informed individually by Danish
authorities. It is very important to state that nobody will be held
against his own will. Everyone can go wherever he or she wishes,
except back to Denmark. The camps will have the status of
international territories under Danish administration. Visits to these
camps by irrelevant persons will only be allowed after applying for a
visa which in practice will be granted only exceptionally. Connected
to the camps there will be special offices which exclusively work at
finding a new country for the transit guests to settle in. Transit
guests who after a long wait in those dreary camps, will think of a
country which will receive them, will have the right to be transferred
within 24 hours to a fenced-off transit hotel, specially constructed
for this purpose, in the Kastrup airport, From there, the persons
concerned will be sent with the first available flight to the country
which will receive them. 


Ole Kreiberg
                                                  

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