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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: A Real Case against Jews
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         The following is an article written by an American Jew in 1928:

                            A Real Case Against Jews

                              by Marcus Eli Ravage
                                 reprinted from
                              The Century Magazine
                                  January 1928

         Of course, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don't.
       So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you
       do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some
       of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that
       before once or twice, I think. And I know too, that you do not
       include me personally - "me" being any particular individual Jew -
       when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am,
       well, so different, don't you know, almost as good as one of
       yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to
       gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive,
       climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike - those, in a
       world, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren.
       We understand each other perfectly. I don't hold it against you.
         Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The
       thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you
       play at it, you make such fantastic and transparent excuses, you
       seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if
       the performance were not so grotesque it would be irritating.
         It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over
       fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish
       pretexts, one might get the impression that you did not know
       yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot
       clearly say why. You think up a new excuse - a "reason" is what
       you call it - every other day. You have been piling up
       justification for yourself these many hundreds of years and each
       new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse
       contradicts and annihilates the last.
         Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers
       and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered
       around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish
       invasion.
         We are, if you are to be believed, at once clannish and
       exclusive, and unassimilable because we won't intermarry with you,
       and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial
       integrity.
         Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and
       sweat industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best
       residential sections. We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime
       because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the
       arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of
       those wars (see "The protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion".)
         We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism
       and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.
         Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!
         And oh! I almost forgot the reasons of reasons. We are the
       stiff-necked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are
       the criminal people who crucified its founder.
         But I tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the
       self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up
       to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem
       to think, we crucified Jesus but because we gave him birth. Your
       real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but
       that we have imposed it upon you!
         Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on
       the blackness of our proved historic offence. You accuse us of
       stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge.
       What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished
       in Rome, the Russian upheavals a mere street brawl.
         You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in
       your theatres and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint
       is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering
       influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and your
       governments, and the very thoughts you think every day?
         A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and  publishes them in a
       book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which shows that
       we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book.
       All right. For the sake of argument, we will underwrite every word
       of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that besides the
       unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out,
       which we never have denied because you never had the courage to
       charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for
       anybody to read?
         If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I
       not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is
       it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by
       Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you
       might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole
       civilization by the Jewish Gospels?
         You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We
       are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken
       your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc
       with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest
       Great War but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but
       of nearly every other major revolution in your history. We have
       brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal
       and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long,
       we shall go on doing it.
         Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred
       years ago you were an innocent, care-free pagan race. You
       worshipped countless Gods and Goddesses, the spirits of the air,
       of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing
       pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your
       gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the
       combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and
       slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting
       yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great
       outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of
       life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy.
       Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of
       the social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about
       human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might
       have been yours if we had left you alone.
         But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled
       down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and
       changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no
       empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all
       without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any
       kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit,
       with ideas, with propaganda.
         We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission
       to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the world, to the
       countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we
       were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial
       tradition, carrying our gospel to unexplored ends of the earth.
         Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our
       tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august
       constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales
       are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets
       have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national
       history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your
       pastors and priests and scholars. Our Kings, our statesmen, our
       prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country
       is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible.
       What our people thought and taught has become inextricable woven
       into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be
       called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.
         Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your
       saints, with countless statues carved in their image and
       innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden
       is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet
       is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled
       down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and
       substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in
       history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our
       conquest over you.
         How did we do it? Almost by accident. Nearly two thousand years
       ago in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and
       materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple.
       Degenerate, selfish priests grew fat. Then a young patriot-
       idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of
       the faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all
       the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize
       the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-
       changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the
       established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman
       authorities , who were in occupation of the country, fearing his
       revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them,
       arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion,
       a common form of execution at that time. The followers of Jesus of
       Nazereth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and
       disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves
       into a brotherhood of pacifists non-resisters, sharing their
       memory of their crucified leader and living together
       communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without
       power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.
         Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the
       new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or
       Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying
       the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-
       resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He
       became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one
       of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul
       do his work that within  four centuries the great empire which had
       subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of
       ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official
       religion of Rome.
         This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it
       was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little
       more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit
       and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are
       religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or
       another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your
       primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the
       pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our Gospel arose to
       down you and re-enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal
       revolutions in modern times - the French, the American, and the
       Russian. What are they but the triumphs of the Jewish idea of
       social, political and economic justice?
         And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At
       this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war
       between  Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between
       those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and
       those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. Again and
       again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage
       censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And
       while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish
       influence in the movies.
         Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your
       progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien
       faith which you cannot digest, which is at cross-purposes with
       your native spirit, which keeps you everlasting ill-at-ease, and
       which you lack the spirit to either reject or accept in full.
         In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian
       teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still take
       pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social
       conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social
       revolution, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely
       divided your soul. confused your impulses and paralysed your
       desires. In the midst of the battle you are obliged to kneel down
       to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said "Resist
       not evil" and "Blessed are the peace-makers". In your lust for
       gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday
       school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your
       industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without
       compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed
       and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And you
       are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a
       deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from
       your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that
       extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the
       fun of paganism for you.
         So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we
       should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we
       should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort
       to subterfuges and transparent pretext. With millions of painfully
       respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult
       your intelligence and your own honesty by talking about communism
       as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions hard-working impecunious
       Jewish peddlers and labourers we should make ourselves ridiculous
       by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No
       we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this
       confused ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-
       Christian half-pagan medley, and - we should say to you point-
       blank: "For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets, and your
       Bible."


       Posted by

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Jan  2 18:14:43 PST 1996
Article: 18545 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: political correctness, revisionism, and censorship
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 21:23:53 +0100
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In article <4c91jt$jaa@access2.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>In article <4bbb2a$1r6@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
>Ourobouros  wrote:
>>No, this was not a special case, as stated before, Austria, Netherlands 
>>and even Denmark have special laws in place for Holocaust denial.  
>
>    This may come as news to Danish resident and Holocaust denier Mr. Ole
>Kreiberg, who has been telling us in alt.revisionism that while there has
>been some pressure put on Denmark to adopt such laws, the Danes have too
>much respect for individual liberty to do so. 
>
The only European countries which had made holocaust denying a thought-crime 
are Germany, Austria, Switzerland and France.  

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Jan  2 18:14:44 PST 1996
Article: 18546 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Edeiken Sees "Nazis" on Every Streetcorner
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 22:36:09 +0100
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes on his plans for
>ethnic cleansing of Denmark:
> 
># There will no "vigilantes" and concentration camps.
># There will be temporary transit camps, 
> 
>How many showers will these have?

There will be showers enough so that everyone can have a shower a day.
Why do you ask? 

> 
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Jan  2 18:14:44 PST 1996
Article: 18547 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Edeiken Sees "Nazis" on Every Streetcorner
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In article <1JAN199619212673@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>, Daniel Mittleman wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes...
>>In article <4c6ehq$k1p@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>>>  
>>>       Why don't you tell us again about your plan to have armed
>>>groups of vigilantes round up foriegners and throw them into concentration
>>>camps, nazi boy?
>> 
>>This particular corps will of course still be a part of the police force,
>>and therefore assigned to the Department of Justice. Therefore the 
>>Administration of Justice Act will fully apply to this corpse. Remember 
>>only members of the police and military can be members. There will no
>>"vigilantes" and concentration camps. There will be temporary transit camps, 
>>and only people belonging to non-European races will be sent back to the  
>>parts of the world, where they naturally belong. 
>
>    And Ashkenazi Jews will be sent where?
>
There are no plans concerning the Jews. Remember that most Danish Jews became
citizens before 1965 and are therefore not supposed to have their citizenship 
reconsidered. If individual Jews act disloyal and subversive against the  
implementation of the plan, or against the interest of the nation, a one 
way ticket to Israel could be the consequence. There are less than ten 
thousand Jews in Denmark. Therefore the problem is not very big, if there
is a significant problem at all. 

You are right that most Ashkenazi Jews appear White. But do they feel
loyalty toward the White race too? Most Jews feel first and foremost a strong 
loyalty to the Jewish cause and the megalomania about being the God's 
chosen people with a certain mission to mankind. 

Ole Kreiberg

Ole Kreiberg


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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan  4 15:09:09 PST 1996
Article: 18817 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Who was Marcus Ravage, and what was _Century_ Magazine?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 22:32:37 +0100
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In article <4cfdvm$pks@access1.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>
>However, I am not sure you're interpreting its intent correctly.  

Do you mean political correct?

>Again, where did you run across this, since I doubt you have sixty-eight 
>year old issues of _Century_ lying around your house?

Does it make any difference, whether I got this article from Peter or Paul.
By the way there is another interesting article by Marcus Eli Ravage 
in the february 1928 issue of the Century magazine. It carries the title, 
Commissary to the Gentiles. I will post it if get the time.

Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan  4 15:09:10 PST 1996
Article: 18818 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Kreiberg Has Never Been a Nazi
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In article <4cfkab$r6d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>  This particular corps will of course still be a part of the police force,
>>  and therefore assigned to the Department of Justice. Therefore the 
>>  Administration of Justice Act will fully apply to this corpse. Remember 
>>  only members of the police and military can be members. There will no
>>  "vigilantes" and concentration camps. There will be temporary transit camps, 
>>  and only people belonging to non-European races will be sent back to the  
>>  parts of the world, where they naturally belong. 
>>
>>>>>
>       In other words armed vigilantes will round up the foriegn element
>and pack them off to concentration camps. "A rose is a rose is a rose is a
>rose. . . ."
>
>       --YFE

  There will be no vigilantes. It will be regular members of the policeforce 
in a regular police unit. The only extraordinary feature will be that the 
members have volunteered for this particular task, and that they may have 
military units for back-up in emergency situations. The reason for creating
this branch of the police is to avoid forcing any members of the police into
this kind of task against their will. It is the same with the Danish 
NATO-force in Bosnia. Only volunteers are sent to Bosnia. In the Vietnam war, 
thousands of American young men were forced to participate against their 
will, and this had a very demoralizing effect on the whole operation. Only 
members of the police who approve of the creation of ethnic homogenity by
deportation of the third world element, will have to participate. This has
nothing to do with nazism. Remember that the USA every day rounds up and 
deports dozens of illegal aliens who have illegally crossed the border 
between the USA and Mexico. 

Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan  4 15:09:11 PST 1996
Article: 18819 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Is Americanism a Kind of Nazism?
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In article <4cfkm5$r6d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>> 
>>  If you really were decent, you ought to worry 
>>  about that and be working for making your country a whiter and brighter
>>  place. Instead you are smearing sincere White patriots. Don't you feel
>>  like a traitor to your country? I think you ought to be ashamed of 
>>  yourself.
>>
>>>>>
>       The real question is why does Krieberg claim that his
>nazi ideology is something other than nazi ideology.  Is he ashamed
>of his own ideas or is it that realizes how offensive his ideas are to
>all decent people?
>
>       --YFE

Nazism is dictatorship and militarism. I have never advocated such things.
The USA started out as 13 states on the East Coast. In the course of one
century the USA had extended it's "Lebensraum" (life space) several times
to the west. The USA won more Lebensraum to the west than Hitler ever dreamt 
of getting to the east. The USA expanded by crowding out the Red Indians
>from  their land. In the south-eastern USA members of the Black race were
kept as slaves. The USA treated Blacks and Red Indians as sub-humans. 
Is Americanism a kind nazism? Please answer that question Mr. Edeiken.

Ole Kreiberg

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