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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: Faurisson vs. Berenbaum
Date: 29 Sep 1994 14:25:16 GMT
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Barry Shein responds to me:

>>>a) Contrary to your dillusion, the USHMM is not a temple.

>>Then please tell us the difference between a temple and the "Holocaust"
>>"museum."

>You don't have to cover your head to enter the ``""<>""''
><<``""museum""''>>.

>There, that was easy.

I don't have to cover my head when I enter a Christian temple either; I
take my hat _off_.

One need not cover one's head -- nor for that matter _uncover_ one's head --
at the Holocaust Myth temple.  

If one is a "goyim," one only need take an undeserved guilt trip.



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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Myth
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.) [responding to me]
>>Well, we can point out that Hitler boasted of having done this in his
>>last will and testament. Go find a copy, he said that the world will
>>remember him fondly for having exterminated the Jews of Central and
>>Eastern Europe.
>
>The so-called "last will and testament" is not in my library.  Does that give
>you a hint as to my views of its authenticity?

I am sure anything that doesn't agree with your point of view is
regarded by you as not authentic. So what, really? Feel free to
believe the moon is made of green cheese.

>>Besides Kleim, what's your problem? One minute you think Hitler's
>>killing millions of Jews was a great idea, and the next minute you're
>>denying he did this.
>
>I have never said "killing millions of Jews was a great idea."  I said that
>even had Hitler killed millions of Jews, it would not detract from my admira-
>tion of him as a Great Man.

oh.

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Subject: Re: Faurisson vs. Berenbaum
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.) [responding to me]
>>You don't have to cover your head to enter the ``""<>""''
>><<``""museum""''>>.
>
>>There, that was easy.
>
>I don't have to cover my head when I enter a Christian temple either; I
>take my hat _off_.

Ya know that story by Jonathan Swift about a war fought by two peoples
who hated each other? And it turned out that the reason they hated
each other was because one ate their boiled eggs from the blunt side
and the others ate them from the pointier side?

Well, here we are over 200 years later and Milton Kleim is trying to
make hay over those who take their hats *off* when they enter a house
of worship, and those who put hats *on*.

It's unbelievable. But I do suspect people like this actually operate
at that level and Swift was being very wise about human nature in his
cautionary tale.

>One need not cover one's head -- nor for that matter _uncover_ one's head --
>at the Holocaust Myth temple.  

Well, then I suppose it's not a temple, by your own reasoning.

>If one is a "goyim," one only need take an undeserved guilt trip.

If one is guilty one only need take an undeserved guilt trip.

Otherwise all that is asked is that we all avoid ever deserving to
take one.

Sorry if that was lost on you.

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Myth
Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:16:51 GMT
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Danny Keren responds to me:

># No, Keren, I want a document on official stationery from ANY high German
># official that orders that Jews are to be "gassed."  Please provide me a 
># citation for such a document.

>Surely, even Kleim understands that if Hitler and Himmler said the
>Jews will be exterminated and are being exterminated, it must mean
>something. 

Evasion.  Provide the order for the alleged extermination program.

># This clearly implies the Jewish _culture_ is inferior, but never
># have I said __Jews_ are inferior.  

>Ah, what bloody rubbish... who the hell is Kleim trying to fool?

Who is trying to fool whom?  

># What doubts are you talking about?  I've never denied my belief in National
># Socialism.

>Anyone who writes that he'd still deeply admire Hitler even if the
>Nazis would have killed 60 million Jews is a murderous maniac.

Well, considering such a statement comes from a member of a People that have 
chosen themselves to rule the world, I'll take that as a compliment.

What is your opinion of Menachem Begin, Mr. Keren?  Do you support the
terrorist State of Israel?

># The following quote from H.L. Mencken will serve as my response to
># the latter part:

>Who is this Mencken anyway? Kleim thinks quoting him (if the quote
>is genuine) proves anything. 

HA HA HA HA HA!!!  "Who is this Mencken anyway?"  HA HA HA HA.

May I suggest you look him up in Who was Who?

># Of course Mr. Keren would like to paint me as some sort of
># unfeeling monster. It's typical of his camp.

>Everyone will decide for himself if Kleim's desire to kill helpless
>people, and his comments about Hitler mentioned above, make him an
>unfeeling monster or not.

I advocate euthanasia for helplessly retarded and insane individuals.  Jews 
just kill helpless people when it serves their selfish ends.  Shall we discuss
the Jewish role in the 50 million+ dead in the former Soviet Union?  Shall we
discuss the terrorist State of Israel's attack on the unarmed, clearly marked
USS Liberty?  Shall we discuss the attacks on helpless civilians by the Israeli
Defense Forces?

Are you not an accomplice to the crimes committed in the name of the illegiti-
mate State called Israel, which you cherish?
                                    





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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Myth
Date: 1 Oct 1994 15:23:14 GMT
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Danny Keren responds to me:

># I said that even had Hitler killed millions of Jews, it would not detract 
># from my admiration of him as a Great Man.

>Note that he capitalizes "Great" and "Man", to make the message even
>more powerful.

Why, you're very observant Danny.

Have you any comments about that "great man" of the land you love, Menachem 
Begin?



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Bradley R. Smith responds to Danny Keren:

>>4) Kleim wrote here that he would still deeply admire Hitler even
>>if the latter and his regime would have killed 60 million Jews. 
 
>Does Mr. Kleim agree that he made this statement?  If he does, what does he
>meanby it? Maybe there's something here I don't undeand.

Yes, I made the statement.

My statement meant that the alleged genocide against the Jews would be irrele-
vant to me had it occurred, or even if sixty million would have been gassed.

Hitler's dynamic leadership to raise the German People out of misery and 
his visionary work to build a new Way for the perpetual survival and evolution
of the White or Aryan Race far outshadow any real and alleged extreme acts 
(which our self-righteous friends call "crimes") he may, or more probably may
not, have committed.  

My moral beliefs place my own kind in the forefront of my thought and concern; 
what happens to others is really irrelevant, although this does not necessarily
justify cruel acts against persons of other Peoples or Races.  In other words, 
what benefits the Aryan Race is Good; what harms the Aryan Race is Evil.  And
if something neither benefits nor harms my Race and its culture, then that 
something, such as kindness or mercy extended to an individual or group of 
another People or Race, is completely acceptable.

If our resident self-righteous Jew Danny Keren finds this thinking abhorrent,
perhaps he'd like to explain how it differs from the Biblical "command from
God" to exterminate the Canaanites, or how Jewish festivals such as Passover
celebrate the "deliverance of the Jews" at the expense of the suffering of 
other Peoples.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Danny Keren writes:

>## 4) Kleim wrote here that he would still deeply admire Hitler even
>## if the latter and his regime would have killed 60 million Jews. 

># Does Mr. Kleim agree that he made this statement?  

>Yes he does, and he recently posted something quite similar. He just
>used "millions" instead of "60 million" this time.

># If he does, what does he meanby it? 

>Let's see. A "Holocaust revisionist" writes that he would still
>greatly admire Hitler even if his regime would have killed millions
>of Jews, and Bradley Smith finds it difficult to understand
>what he meant.

>I have two suggestions for Mr. Smith:

>1) Conduct a poll among longshoremen, and ask them what they think
>he meant. I am not being sarcastic, or trying to mock longshoremen.
>It's just that Smith as a longshoreman himself, and he posted here
>that he values the opinions of longshoremen.

Better be careful; those longshoremen might not give a damn about the so-
called Holocaust.  Some might even agree with such a statement.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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DbtgThomas writes:

>If you'd like to read an account of Allied atrocities, pick up "Other
>Losses".  I don't have the author's name at hand...

James Bacque.

Also try _Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau_, by Alfred DeZayas.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Myth
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Danny Keren responds to me:

>3) I can't recall writing anything about any land that I love. It
>   seems Kleim is gradually losing his contact with reality.

>The issue here is Kleim's admiration of Hitler.

The issue here _was_ the Holocaust Myth, but you made it into an investigation
of the motives of a "denier" like myself.  It's only fair to question _your_
motives as well.

Do you or do you not have a fondness for the State of Israel?



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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>My moral beliefs place my own kind in the forefront of my thought and
>concern; what happens to others is really irrelevant,

You are such a moral cripple hermann, it's a good thing for you the T4
euthanasia program is no longer operating. Even in Nazi Germany you'd
be considered something of a political liability.

Your problems start when someone other than you and your kind
(whatever the hell that is) have the reigns. That one concern alone is
enough to cause most civilized people (present company excepted) to
strive for equality under the law.

But then again that's a lesson most people learn when they're about
eight or nine years old. So it's probably safe to assume you have some
sort of serious congenital deficiency when it comes to these things.

>or how Jewish festivals such as Passover
>celebrate the "deliverance of the Jews" at the expense of the suffering of 
>other Peoples.

Oh, now he's a biblical scholar.

Well, referring to Exodus, how exactly was the deliverance of the
Hebrews at the expense of other people?

You mean the Egyptians, right? You mean they lost their slaves (the
Hebrews) and this was the expense and suffering of other peoples?

What the hell do you mean?

Anyhow, with Kleim ya never know since he is a self-styled Nazi of the
real live Schickelgruber Fan Club variety, he probably considers the
US laws outlawing slavery as just the govt meddling in the business
community's private affairs...

As I've asked before, Milton: Why should anyone on this earth give a
damn what you think about anything? You've demonstrated amply that
you're a thick-headed little nazi wannabe with a schoolyard level view
of politics (and even that's generous.)

The laughable thing is you talk as if justice is something you are
owed. It's nothing you are owed, because it is nothing you feel you
owe others. As I've said before, the only justice you should expect
would be two cellmates placing bets on how much of their urine you can
swallow as the evening's entertainment after lights-out.

Anything more would be undeserved generosity.

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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>1) Conduct a poll among longshoremen, and ask them what they think
>>he meant. I am not being sarcastic, or trying to mock longshoremen.
>>It's just that Smith as a longshoreman himself, and he posted here
>>that he values the opinions of longshoremen.
>
>Better be careful; those longshoremen might not give a damn about the so-
>called Holocaust.  Some might even agree with such a statement.

It's a chance I'd be willing to take.

As a matter of fact, I'd love to see our friend Kleim go down to the
docks, find some longshoremen, and say real loud: ``Hi, I'm Milton
Kleim, and I'm here as a representative of the American Nazi Party!''

I'm sure you'd have more to say, but you'd probably have to finish the
thought after picking your teeth up off the ground.


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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Myth
Date: 3 Oct 1994 03:35:46 GMT
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Danny Keren writes:

>1) I don't have any problems discussing the history of the
>Holocaust with Kleim, but he refuses to do so. He posts lies,
>like his assertion about the method of gassing used by the
>Nazis in the "T4" operation. To this day, he didn't give a 
>single source to support this assertion. 

Look Keren, the T-4 matter is dead.  I have said I don't have the evidence you
want, and have never claimed I did.  My statement was based on my personal 
knowledge of something I once read.  Because I do not offer the evidence YOU
demand does not mean I am lying about it.

>How can one debate with someone like Kleim, who fails to give any evidence for
>what he claims happened?

How can one debate with someone like Keren, who fails to give any original evi-
dence for what he claims happened?

>2) It *is* relevant, IMHO, to point out the fact that most
>"revisionists" are Nazis and racists. This is obvious to
>everyone who has been following this newsgroup for some
>period of time.

It is rather obvious that I have never tried to hide my fondness for Adolf
Hitler or my adherence to and expression of National Socialism.  It is your
purpose to attempt to paint me as a liar solely because I am a National 
Socialist.

Were I to claim you were a liar solely because you are a Jew you'd scream 
bloody murder (or should I say, Holocaust?).

># Do you or do you not have a fondness for the State of Israel?

>I don't have any special "fondness" for any country, and
>even less so for any government. I don't even know what
>it means to "have a fondness" for a country. But, really,
>this is not the time nor the place to discuss these matters.

IT IS the time and place to discuss such matters.  You have questioned my
motives in disputing the Holocaust Myth because of my philosophy and my admira-
tion of National Socialist Germany and its leaders.  Your fondness of a country
such as the criminal State of Israel could reflect upon your motives in pur-
suing truth, _according to your own rules_.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 3 Oct 1994 03:50:44 GMT
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Barry Shein writes:

>>My moral beliefs place my own kind in the forefront of my thought and
>>concern; what happens to others is really irrelevant,

>You are such a moral cripple hermann, it's a good thing for you the T4
>euthanasia program is no longer operating. Even in Nazi Germany you'd
>be considered something of a political liability.

And just what are your morals based upon, Shein?

>Your problems start when someone other than you and your kind
>(whatever the hell that is) have the reigns. That one concern alone is
>enough to cause most civilized people (present company excepted) to
>strive for equality under the law.

Under the present System, your "equality under the law" is this: "All animals
are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."   Or more correctly,
"All Goyim are equal, and all Jews are masters."

>But then again that's a lesson most people learn when they're about
>eight or nine years old. So it's probably safe to assume you have some
>sort of serious congenital deficiency when it comes to these things.

The sort of "congenetal deficiency" attributed to the Germans by Theodor 
Kaufman, the Jew who said that "Germanism" had to be wiped out by genocide
as it was biological?  The Kaufman who wrote a book praised by the Jewsmedia,
I'll add.

>>or how Jewish festivals such as Passover
>>celebrate the "deliverance of the Jews" at the expense of the suffering of 
>>other Peoples.

>Oh, now he's a biblical scholar.

>Well, referring to Exodus, how exactly was the deliverance of the
>Hebrews at the expense of other people?

>You mean the Egyptians, right? You mean they lost their slaves (the
>Hebrews) and this was the expense and suffering of other peoples?

>What the hell do you mean?

The deaths of the firstborn.  That's not sadistic?  The Jew is a moral rela-
tivist.  

>Anyhow, with Kleim ya never know since he is a self-styled Nazi of the
>real live Schickelgruber Fan Club variety, he probably considers the
>US laws outlawing slavery as just the govt meddling in the business
>community's private affairs...

I would support legislation making enslavement a capital offense.

>As I've asked before, Milton: Why should anyone on this earth give a
>damn what you think about anything? 

Then why do you respond?

>The laughable thing is you talk as if justice is something you are
>owed. It's nothing you are owed, because it is nothing you feel you
>owe others. 

What justice are the Jews owed then?  What mercy should be extended to a People
that has caused untold suffering to every People kind enough to extend a
welcome?

Why should we care if six million Jews _were_ gassed?

>As I've said before, the only justice you should expect would be two cellmates
>placing bets on how much of their urine you can swallow as the evening's 
>entertainment after lights-out.

>Anything more would be undeserved generosity.

This is the Jew.

Beria and Kaganovich would be proud.



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From: jhermann@interaccess (James Hermann)
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Anyone know why the elderly seem to lose their sense
of taste for sweets last, after losing sense of taste
for salt, bitter, etc?

Jim




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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: NEED HITLER GIF'S AND STUFF
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genocidej@delphi.com writes:

>Actually i lot of people involved with the ss and the gastapo were austrian
>they had brown to black hair...

"Austrian" is not a racial category; it is a nationality.  But, indeed, some
SS members were dark haired, the much-hated Adolf Eichmann being one.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Ace of Base - Skinheads?
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Michael P. Beck responds to Joakim Westman:

>>Can anybody confirm if that stupid band from Gothenburg, Sweden, called Ace
>>of Bace actually are true skinheads?

>WHATWHATWHAT?!?!  Where the flying fuck did you hear this?!

Not the group itself, but the blond dude, I guess he's the lead singer, was
a National Socialist Skinhead until he "saw the light" (reflecting from the
gold he was offered).  

I've had this confirmed by a comrade in Sverige.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:57:21 GMT
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Ulrich Roessler writes:

>In my weaker moments, I hope for an eternal retribution.
>Mr Kleim will have to march goose-stepping and heilhitlering
>in purgatory, for a millenium in punishment of every single word he posts. 

I, on the other hand, wish that God forgives the race-traitors amongst us.  I
do not have the Jewish mentality of hateful eternal retaliation.  



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From: flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare)
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In article <36p2k1$eiu@urvile.MSUS.EDU> hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.) writes:

>Ulrich Roessler writes:

>>In my weaker moments, I hope for an eternal retribution.
>>Mr Kleim will have to march goose-stepping and heilhitlering
>>in purgatory, for a millenium in punishment of every single word he posts. 

>I, on the other hand, wish that God forgives the race-traitors amongst us.  I
>do not have the Jewish mentality of hateful eternal retaliation.  

Then rejoice, for is not one of the main traits of our God that He is
a forgiving God? And that He, in one of His Commandments say that 
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"?
(EXO 20:1) I suppose you do not believe me when I say that the
commandment have some deeper meaning than that you shall not call your
next-door neighbour something he is not?

Somewhere else, someone who had a profound sense of ethics stated 
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." but I assume you
think that is restricted to physical stone-throwing? 

(And yes, I know that you will say that who am I to say anything
then.. But I have come to grips with _my_ weaknesses, and accept them
as such. You however delight in claiming moral high ground, and then
go on to abusing some ideals which I hold in very high esteem, hence
my posting.)



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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>Under the present System, your "equality under the law" is this: "All animals
>are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."   Or more correctly,
>"All Goyim are equal, and all Jews are masters."

Sometimes when I read lunatics like this I don't know whether to be
flattered or concerned.

There is a very old joke about the poor Jew in Europe who reads the
anti-semitic papers avidly because only they exalt him and his people
to such high esteem.

>>What the hell do you mean?
>
>The deaths of the firstborn.  That's not sadistic?  The Jew is a moral rela-
>tivist.  

Well, since you're referring to Exodus in the Old Testament it's
perhaps wortwhile noting that it was God who slew the first born.

And if you doubt it was God then why are you referencing the Old
Testament at all?

Silly.

It's also worthwhile noting that in that passage in Exodus the
Egyptians were given many warnings over a period of time, each
escalating. They apparently did not heed the warnings of an
all-powerful being who visited them with plagues of frogs, locusts,
darkness, boils, etc. This is not generally wise. I think the passage
goes to great length to convince the reader that immense efforts were
made to appeal to the sensibility of the pharoah. If you accept it at
all.

But obviously Kleim has his own interpretation. I am sure it will
interest theological scholars for decades...

>>Anyhow, with Kleim ya never know since he is a self-styled Nazi of the
>>real live Schickelgruber Fan Club variety, he probably considers the
>>US laws outlawing slavery as just the govt meddling in the business
>>community's private affairs...
>
>I would support legislation making enslavement a capital offense.

Sounds to me about what God does in Exodus, so what's your beef?

>>As I've asked before, Milton: Why should anyone on this earth give a
>>damn what you think about anything? 
>
>Then why do you respond?

There's something in every person that enjoys pulling the wings off a
fly...

>What justice are the Jews owed then?  What mercy should be extended to a People
>that has caused untold suffering to every People kind enough to extend a
>welcome?

You might have to get a bit more specific for anyone to address this
point. Not everybody is a goose-stepping paranoid lunatic Nazi, much
as that may come as a shock to you.

>Why should we care if six million Jews _were_ gassed?

You shouldn't, Milton, you shouldn't care about anything. Just sit
there quietly, everything is going to be all right (doctor? the
medication?)

>>Anything more would be undeserved generosity.
>
>This is the Jew.

Do not expect justice if you cannot give justice?

Again, flattered...


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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 3 Oct 1994 19:53:47 GMT
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AnnyA666 (the Anti-Christ?) responds to me:

>I don't know you, sir, but this comment caused me great distress.  This
>kind of mean-spirited xenophobia often indicates some deep psychological
>distress.  People with a propensity for nuerosis, coupled with strong
>feelings of inadequacy often substitute a symbol fo rtheir own fears--in
>this case you seem to have symbolized "Jews" as the cause of your own
>"untold suffering".  I feel bad for you.

Feel bad for yourself.

The Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering.  Even had the "Holocaust" occured,
Hitler wouldn't be history's greatest mass murderer.  Why the focus on National
Socialism's alleged crimes?  Could it be the Jews have a special "victim"
status allowed no other People?  And OH PLEASE don't start that "scapegoating" 
shit.  

BTW, do you have a license to practice psychology?
                                                     


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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: NEED HITLER GIF'S AND STUFF
Date: 3 Oct 1994 19:57:30 GMT
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Annikki Niku writes:

>Well, I mean certain historians who re-write the history of the Third Reich.

What is history but a "lie agreed upon?"  (I believe Napoleon said that.)

If you weren't such a dumb shit you'd realize "history" is not some sort of 
gospel that is set in stone once it's written down.  "History," which is the
complex attempt to achieve an understanding of events, is NOT Truth.  That's
why we need revisionists.




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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Do you hate Jews?
Date: 3 Oct 1994 19:59:55 GMT
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Annikki Niku writes:

>Why do you use the word "nazi", then? It was the basis of nazism - hating 
>the jews, you know. It says so in "Mein Kampf". I guess you should call 
>yourself a racist in general.

Please educate yourself.  National Socialism was NOT based upon "hating the
Jews."  NS indeed recognizes the facts about the Jewish Problem, but it is 
much more so a Vision of racial survival.
                          


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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 4 Oct 1994 16:59:50 GMT
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Jonas Flygare responds to me:

>>I, on the other hand, wish that God forgives the race-traitors amongst us.  I
>>do not have the Jewish mentality of hateful eternal retaliation.  

>Then rejoice, for is not one of the main traits of our God that He is
>a forgiving God? And that He, in one of His Commandments say that 
>"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"?
>(EXO 20:1) I suppose you do not believe me when I say that the
>commandment have some deeper meaning than that you shall not call your
>next-door neighbour something he is not?

First, I am not a Christian.

Who am I "bearing false witness" against? 

>Somewhere else, someone who had a profound sense of ethics stated 
>"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." but I assume you
>think that is restricted to physical stone-throwing? 

I will not hesitate to call a lie a lie and a liar a liar.

>(And yes, I know that you will say that who am I to say anything
>then.. But I have come to grips with _my_ weaknesses, and accept them
>as such. You however delight in claiming moral high ground, and then
>go on to abusing some ideals which I hold in very high esteem, hence
>my posting.)

What ideals do you hold in high esteem I am abusing? 



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:12:32 GMT
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Barry Shein responds to me:

>>>What the hell do you mean?

>>The deaths of the firstborn.  That's not sadistic?  The Jew is a moral rela-
>>tivist.  

>Well, since you're referring to Exodus in the Old Testament it's
>perhaps wortwhile noting that it was God who slew the first born.

It was the _Jewish_ "god" that is alleged to have killed the innocent Egyptian
children (and some adults presumably).

The issue here is not who did it, but rather that the Jews rejoice in the
deaths of innocents.  Yet when I say Hitler would be a Great Man even had he
killed sixty million Jews I am called a "murderous maniac."

One standard for the Goi; another for the Jew.

>It's also worthwhile noting that in that passage in Exodus the
>Egyptians were given many warnings over a period of time, each
>escalating. They apparently did not heed the warnings of an
>all-powerful being who visited them with plagues of frogs, locusts,
>darkness, boils, etc. This is not generally wise. I think the passage
>goes to great length to convince the reader that immense efforts were
>made to appeal to the sensibility of the pharoah. If you accept it at
>all.

More justification of the deaths of innocent children.

Would you like to provide justification for the slaughter of the Canaanites
too?

>>>Anyhow, with Kleim ya never know since he is a self-styled Nazi of the
>>>real live Schickelgruber Fan Club variety, he probably considers the
>>>US laws outlawing slavery as just the govt meddling in the business
>>>community's private affairs...

>>I would support legislation making enslavement a capital offense.

>Sounds to me about what God does in Exodus, so what's your beef?

That was another time.  But even if we apply my punishment to the Egyptians,
how does it justify the killing of the first-born, who were in most cases
totally innocent of enslaving the Hebrews.

>>>As I've asked before, Milton: Why should anyone on this earth give a
>>>damn what you think about anything? 

>>Then why do you respond?

>There's something in every person that enjoys pulling the wings off a
>fly...

If I'm a fly, why don't you just gas me?  There's a new bug spray out called
Zyklon C...

>>What justice are the Jews owed then?  What mercy should be extended to a People
>>that has caused untold suffering to every People kind enough to extend a
>>welcome?

>You might have to get a bit more specific for anyone to address this
>point. Not everybody is a goose-stepping paranoid lunatic Nazi, much
>as that may come as a shock to you.

If the Jews' own "Holy Books" justify genocide, why should we concern ourselves
with real or alleged genocide against them?

>>>Anything more would be undeserved generosity.

>>This is the Jew.

>Do not expect justice if you cannot give justice?

I extend justice to others by separating myself from those who are not my
kind, so that they may determine their own destiny and live in peace.

Those who insist upon interfering in Aryan affairs forfeit any sort of rights
beyond that which Aryan mercy extends them.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:13:26 GMT
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Danny Keren writes:

>Just what makes Kleim think Beria was Jewish? 

Ancestry.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kleim the "Revisionist" (was: Re: The Holocaust Myth)
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:16:59 GMT
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Danny Keren writes:

>A liar is someone who claims something happened, although he has no evidence 
>to prove it.

Quick!  Someone call Merriam Webster.  Keren's invented a new definition.

Last time I checked, "liar" meant someone who deliberately told or wrote
falsehoods.  It had nothing to do with making a statement that one cannot
back up with documents.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kleim's Iraeli fixation and the Cheap Shot...
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Ken Mcvay writes:

>Tell me, Mr. Kleim, how any determination of the validity of
>Holocaust-related documents would be effected if I were, for
>instance, the Prime Minister of Israel? 

Tell me Mr. McVay, how my belief in National Socialism affects my claims
that the Holocaust is a hoax?

Your side claims I have a "Nazi agenda" in "denying" the Holocaust.  I say your
side has a Zionist agenda in promoting the Holocaust, and my questions will 
provide evidence one way por another.

If you're willing to leave my personal beliefs out of the debate, I'll be
happy to leave yours out too, and stop asking the questions



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Geff Underwood responds to me:

>>Why should we care if six million Jews _were_ gassed?

>Why should we care?  Six million human minds, annihilated.  Men, women,
>boys, girls, the smallest infants, tortured, shot, poisoned, starved.

SEVEN million in Ukraine, at least FIFTEEN million in Russia, TWO (?) million
in Armenia.  No "Holocaust" movies or "museums" or "rememberance days" for them
poor forgotten bastards, are there?

>Not an act of sudden passion, not even "ordinary" premeditated murder,
>but horror as an industrial product -- the invention of the _career_ of
>mass murderer.  A new definition of evil.  

Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kaganovich, Beria, etc., etc.  THEY invented organized
mass murder on a scale much larger than Hitler is alleged to have BEFORE Hitler
came to power.  Even had Hitler had a policy of genocide, he would only have
borrowed the process from his enemies.

Or we can look to the "Holy" books of the Jews, for such "moral superiority" as
the slaughter of the Canaanites or the CONTINUING yearly celebration of the 
deaths of countless innocent Egyptian children, all "blessed" by the Jewish 
"god" of course, because the Jews are the "Chosen People."

I don't suppose you find the idea that a People such as the Jews chooses itself
to rule over the world as repulsive.  

>An abomination that sears the mind of every person with any remaining shred of
>soul.

One alleged genocide amongst dozens of real ones throughout history.  No big 
deal.  If we remember every mass slaughter the way we're supposed to remember
the "crime of crimes" (so they say it is) all we'd have in Washington DC and
on our television and movie screens is "musuems" and "Holocaust documentaries."

But of course the Jews are more important than the goiim.  That's why _the_
"Holocaust" is elevated to religion status, and the deaths of many times
more people are forgotten. 

>Oh, right.  Nothing that would concern you.  Never mind; it's a human
>thing -- you would not understand.

I face reality and accept that ALL humans can be ruthless and cruel.  If you
have a problem with inhumanity, bitch to God, not me.  Work for justice for all
Peoples and Races, including, no, especially the Aryan Race, then you can
lecture me on right and wrong. 

You have no moral superiority to me.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 6 Oct 1994 13:58:25 GMT
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Barry Shein responds to me:

>>The Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering.  Even had the "Holocaust"
>>occured, Hitler wouldn't be history's greatest mass murderer.  Why the
>>focus on National Socialism's alleged crimes?

>Because of all of them they are the ones you are denying.

Many Holocaust beleivers say that failure to remember is tantamount to denial.

The Establishment's refusal to build museums and memorials and teach "Famine
classes" is therefore denial of the crimes of the Bolshevik regime.

The whole matter lies in the fact that the tremendous influence of the Jews
throughout society (completely disproportionate to their numbers) allow them
to make any real or alleged actions against them much more important than 
actions by them or others against the "Goiim."

>National Socialism would be thought of about the same had they not
>murdered over 10 million Jews, Gypsies, etc. though that result was
>pretty predictable given their bizarre and twisted beliefs.

Most of the works dealing with Germany before 1939 were fairly objective, and
if they touched on its political and social aspects, the author was fairly 
neutral or no more biased against National Socialism than against Bolshevism. 

Only political propaganda like the invented works of Thyssen and Rauschning,
and those by understandably biased Establishment authors, had a clearly 
hostile view.

Without the Myth of the Holocaust, which is supposedly some sort of UNIQUE
crime (in the Jewish mind, such an uprising against Jewish world power IS
a "crime"), National Socialism would be looked upon with much greater objec-
tivity.  But, since National Socialism represents the only viable alternative
to the Jewish ideologies, the only way to prevent its adoption en masse is to
create a Myth and make the philosophy's founder a new "devil," his assistants
dark angels, his followers satanic heretics of the Establishment religion,
and in so doing justify Jewry's own ideas and actions.  But fortunately,
Truth is on OUR side and not that of the Jews.  

>It's kind of hard to miss the fact that the world was assembling to
>put an end to Nazism long before they were taking the stories of mass
>murder very seriously.

The majority of the world's population DID NOT GIVE A DAMN about who controlled
Germany before 1939.  Germany was for the Germans.

The Jews and their lackeys were orchestrating violence against Germany, but
nearly all of the Goiim weren't concerned with something which did not threaten
them.

>Hatred of Nazism wasn't in the slightest the monopoly of Jews, the
>civilized world recognized them for what they were and sent millions
>of their sons to put a stop to it.

Franklin Delano Rosenfeld, ugh, Roosevelt sent millions of American boys
to fight the enemy of the Jews.

The typical American couldn't care less...he went because he was forced to
go and this compulsion was justified with the lies that Hitler wanted to 
"take over the world."

>As much as Milton would love to single out hatred for Nazism's
>perverted beliefs onto a group his own twisted and hateful views hope
>beyond hope are themselves pariahs (Jews) he's wrong on both counts:

>	The world quickly came to hate Nazism and everything
>	it stood for.

The Jews quickly came to hate National Socialism for it represented an end
to their centuries old corrosive influence in the West.  With their mass media 
and their alcoholic stooge Churchill and their megalomaniac friend Roosevelt 
they manufactured a "threat" to the United States and the World and to this day
the Jewish propaganda machine continues to spew out the same old crap.  Nearly 
all people who distance themselves from National Socialism do so because of the
social stigma based upon FALSEHOODS, something which the Jews are so capable of
cultivating.  



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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>>The Jews don't have a monopoly on suffering.  Even had the "Holocaust"
>>>occured, Hitler wouldn't be history's greatest mass murderer.  Why the
>>>focus on National Socialism's alleged crimes?
>
>>Because of all of them they are the ones you are denying.
>
>Many Holocaust beleivers say that failure to remember is tantamount to denial.
>
>The Establishment's refusal to build museums and memorials and teach "Famine
>classes" is therefore denial of the crimes of the Bolshevik regime.

Ok, well, then take it up with "the establishment".

All I know is that you and a few other specific people here are
putting a lot of energy into denying the Holocaust.

Something that comes thru load and clear in everything you write is
your desparate need to abstract into "jews", "the establishment", etc
so you can make a complaint.

You're that establishment as much as any of us here Kleim. Does that
ever occur to you?

This country, the US, was until very recently spending hundreds of
billions of dollars per year in armaments in incredible fear of what
you refer to as something being ignored.

The US built and had at the ready over 20,000 nuclear weapons. Enough
to destroy most of the earth several times over. They had schemes such
as nuclear submarines hidden and stealthy whose job was to launch a
barrage of nuclear destruction upon Soviet cities should they believe
a nuclear war had started and the order NOT to launch had failed (eg,
the US command+control was already dead or incommunicado.)

We, and other European countries, had massive build-ups of arms,
tanks, soldiers etc under NATO in Germany, Norway, etc. There were
listening posts of huge sophistication monitoring for a possible
attack over the north pole or via other routes. Satellite technology
capable of reading the numbers off an automobile's license plate from
over 200 miles up were developed and deployed to spy on the Soviet
Union as were flyover devices such as the SR-71 and the U-2.

Now your point appears to be that the US establishment has not
sufficiently expressed their distaste for what was going on in the
Soviet Union?

Methinks you haven't paid attention.

>The whole matter lies in the fact that the tremendous influence of the Jews
>throughout society (completely disproportionate to their numbers) allow them
>to make any real or alleged actions against them much more important than 
>actions by them or others against the "Goiim."

Yeah, well, then I suppose we all know who the ubermenschen are and I
guess it ain't you. This is silly, again with the abstract demons, can
you perhaps name some names or something and stop slithering back into
this near-psychotic comfort of abstract and invisible enemies?

>>Hatred of Nazism wasn't in the slightest the monopoly of Jews, the
>>civilized world recognized them for what they were and sent millions
>>of their sons to put a stop to it.
>
>Franklin Delano Rosenfeld, ugh, Roosevelt sent millions of American boys
>to fight the enemy of the Jews.
>
>The typical American couldn't care less...he went because he was forced to
>go and this compulsion was justified with the lies that Hitler wanted to 
>"take over the world."

You really are nuts.

Let's start easy: Why would anyone other than those who feel confident
they are "Aryans" by your definition be interested in National
Socialism?

I mean, you lay the failure of Nat'l Soc at the feet of the "Jews"
(whoever they are exactly.)

So what would, say, all of Latin America have to gain, or Asia, or
really about 80% of the world's population, from Nat'l Soc? Or anyone
living in any country who can be pretty certain they're not counted
among your blessed "Aryans"?

It's a stupid, infantile view of the world, Kleim. And it isn't going
to get you anywhere, if such people ever gained any ground you'd be
begging to lick their boots. If they let you live.

You're deluded.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 6 Oct 1994 17:09:34 GMT
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Lisa Nyman, member of the self-proclaimed "Chosen People," responds to Bradley
Smith and myself:

>>>how does it justify the killing of the first-born, who were in most cases
>>>totally innocent of enslaving the Hebrews.

>Why does Miltie care about the killing on non-Aryans?

Why do Jewesses like you celebrate the deaths of innocent children (in your
"holy" celebration "Passover") yet attempt to lecture us "Nazis" on morality?

>>While I disagree with almost everything you post here I want to say that this
>>question is a proper question and should be answered with great care by those
>>who are debating you.

>Are you both serious?  Discussing events, as told in the Bible, which
>may or may not have happened?  

The Jews seem to think these events, "which may or may not have happened,"
are important enough to celebrate.

>How does this in any way compare to the recorded voice of Himmler talking 
>about killing Jewish women and children?

I have yet to be provided with any conclusive proof that these tapes are
extant, or that they _are_ the voice of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, if they do
exist.

On the other hand, I _have_ read the Jewish "holy works" that DO speak
positively about the slaughter of innocent children.
       


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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>I have yet to be provided with any conclusive proof that these tapes are
>extant, or that they _are_ the voice of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, if they do
>exist.
>
>On the other hand, I _have_ read the Jewish "holy works" that DO speak
>positively about the slaughter of innocent children.

This is great. Milton, our resident Nazi, believes in the literal word
of the Old Testament yet doesn't believe he's seen hard enough
evidence to indicate that Himmler made this speech at Posnan.

Look, Miltie, Christians also believe in the Old Testament as divine
revelation (plus or minus a few parts cancelled out or amended by the
New Testament, but Exodus stands intact.)

So who exactly is condemned in your little Nazi fantasy? Only Jews and
Christians? I suppose Muslims also, they also accept the authority of
the OT. Anyone else?

-- 
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Danny Keren responds to Ricardo Joshua:

>Ah, look who's back. It's the same brat that once wrote to
>someone on the net "why don't you kill yourself? That would
>be one less Zionist to worry about". Later, he wrote that
>all Jews are Zionists. It doesn't take much to understand
>what he means.

Rick --

As you can tell, Danny-boy isn't too pleased there are _two_ of us again;
two revisionists who aren't afraid to tell the _whole_ Truth about Danny-boy's
self-proclaimed "Chosen People."  

How much do you want to bet he'll call in his allies now that you've returned?
He certainly can't do much one on one (and his credibility has just about hit
bottom).  His side's gotta try to smother what we post with loads of meaning-
less rhetoric.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 7 Oct 1994 02:26:03 GMT
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Mark Israel responds to me:

>> It was the _Jewish_ "god" that is alleged to have killed the 
>> innocent Egyptian children (and some adults presumably).
  
>   Most people's ancestors of 3000 years ago were barbarous.
>Is that an excuse for being barbarous today?

I don't know.  Ask your fellow Jews who celebrate such barbaric activity.

>   As for God, well, if you believe in Him, you believe that
>he kills everybody, don't you?  I don't know anyone who gets
>immortality here on Earth.  God also causes people to be born.
>Did Hitler cause the people he killed to be born?

I believe in the Creator of the Universe, not the Jewish "god."

Without death, there is no life.  Without life, there is no death.

>> [...] the Jews rejoice in the deaths of innocents.  Yet when I say 
>> Hitler would be a Great Man even had he killed sixty million Jews 
>> I am called a "murderous maniac."

>   Most people's ancestors of 3000 years ago were barbarous.
>Is that an excuse for being barbarous today?

I don't know.  Ask your fellow Jews who celebrate such barbaric activity.

>> One standard for the Goi; another for the Jew.

>   Ah, you used the singular "goy".  You're learning; you're
>learning!

What did I have to learn?  I was tired when I wrote the plural form instead
of the singular.  In every previous post to that one I had used the correct
form of "goy/goi" or "goyim/goiim."

Of course Jews don't make mistakes, right?

>> Would you like to provide justification for the slaughter of the 
>> Canaanites too?

>   Most people's ancestors of 3000 years ago were barbarous.
>Is that an excuse for being barbarous today?

I don't know.  Ask your fellow Jews who celebrate such barbaric activity.

>   (But if you can track down any surviving Canaanites, yes,
>I believe they deserve compensation.)

Unfortunately, the Jewish "Final Solution to the Canannite Problem" _was_
total genocide.

>> If the Jews' own "Holy Books" justify genocide, why should we 
>> concern ourselves with real or alleged genocide against them?

>   The Nazis' victims were by no means confined to practising 
>or believing Jews.  The Nazis murdered those whom they classified
>RACIALLY as Jews.

But the vast majority of Jewish "victims" _were_ adherents of the so-called
"religion" of Judaism.

The victims of Jewish criminality are not limited to any ethnic, religious,
political, or other group.  Jewish-created and implemented Communism is just
a program of mass murder against any real or potential Goyish opponent.

>   So how do the Jewish Holy Books come into it?

>> Those who insist upon interfering in Aryan affairs forfeit any 
>> sort of rights beyond that which Aryan mercy extends them.

>   And what about the 99% of "Aryans" who disagree with you on
>what constitutes "interfering"?

Most of the Aryans who do not embrace National Socialism do so out of
ignorance.  

The Jews do it out of fear of its advocacy of revolt against Jewish world
power.  



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kleim's hate (was: The meaning of revisionism)
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Seth J. Bradley writes:

>Hopefully you'll be looking at the November issue of Discover magazine.
>This issue is a special on the science of race. In it you will discover
>interesting facts, such as that humans only have a 0.2% genetic variance,
>and only 6% of this variance (0.012% total), can be attributed to race.
>Yep, sure seems like "race" is awfully important to me.......

Is the author's name "Stein," "Cohen," "Diamond," or "Israel?"

Or perhaps the author(s) are some more of those name-changers?



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Kleim Myth Again (was: Re: ANA News Update)
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Danny Keren writes:

>Here is what Kleim ("HERMANN") posted re the method of gassing used 
>in the "T4" murders. He has not yet given one shred of evidence to
>support his claim.

Keren's credibility is still slipping...



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: Collins: Out of the Closet
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Ken "I do all this for selfless purposes" Mcvay writes:

>Holocaust just a story: Collins
>By Gordon Clark, Staff Reporter

>Right-wing columnist Doug Collins came out of the closet yesterday and
>denied the Holocaust occurred.

This is news?  It was obvious from reading Mr. Collins that he was aware of 
the truth.

>Collins said he doesn't consider himself anti-Semitic or a neo-Nazi
>but added that "I can't say some of my best friends are Jews."

Ahh, but Doug, if you don't believe in the "Holocaust," you are AUTOMATICALLY
a "Nazi" and a "hater."

Burn the heretic!

>Said Ken McVay, the Vancouver Island man who fights Nazi propaganda on
>the Internet:                            ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
 ^^^ ^^^^^^^^

Doesn't he wish?  McVay's credibility is about as low as Keren's.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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AnnyA666 writes:

>Actually, Brian, Oskar Schindler was Czechoslovakian.

Schindler was either a German from the artificial State of Czechoslovakia
(which was more German than Slovak), or possibly a Jew who slipped through 
the Germans' ancestry checks.



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Danny Keren responds to Wayne McGuire:

>First of all, how the hell do you have the nerve to call the
>Beate Klarsfeld Foundation a "propaganda outfit"? 

I too will call it a propaganda outfit.  Just like the "Simon Wisenthal
Center" and several other religious propaganda ministries.  A new dimension to
"televangelism."

>Just who do you think you are, hurling such accusations?

He probably learned from you.

>The "Institute for Contemporary History" is considered to
>be the foremost authority in Germany about Nazi crimes
>during WW2. You don't believe me, fine. Sit down, and write
>letters to a hundred leading historians in the US (preferably,
>historians who are experts in recent European history), and
>ask them for their opinion regarding the "Institute for
>Contemporary History". Then, post the replies you got.

Don't bother writing, Wayne.  The so-called "Institut fuer Zeitgeschicht" is
indeed _regarded as_ the foremost authority on modern German history by most
Establishment historians.  Of course the reality behind the IfZ is that it is
the guardian and purveyor of official State ideology-based "history."



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In article <372bjr$a25@urvile.MSUS.EDU> hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.) writes:

>Mark Israel responds to me:

>>> It was the _Jewish_ "god" that is alleged to have killed the 
>>> innocent Egyptian children (and some adults presumably).

>>>Most people's ancestors of 3000 years ago were barbarous.
>>Is that an excuse for being barbarous today?

>I don't know.  Ask your fellow Jews who celebrate such barbaric activity.

You claim to be an odinist? What do _you_ celebrate then?
Hanging people in praise of your "god"? 

>>>As for God, well, if you believe in Him, you believe that
>>he kills everybody, don't you?  I don't know anyone who gets
>>immortality here on Earth.  God also causes people to be born.
>>Did Hitler cause the people he killed to be born?

>I believe in the Creator of the Universe, not the Jewish "god."

>Without death, there is no life.  Without life, there is no death.

Ah, so would you mind explaining how Oden is _the_ creator? If I recall nordic mythology Oden was one of three gods that created the world. 


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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: My Reply
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:21:17 GMT
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Jeffrey G. Brown responds to me:

>Jews _are_ your own kind, Kleim: human beings. 

_Aryans_ are my kind because I choose to define "my own kind" as that People.
You're free to include whomever -- or whatever -- you wish as _your_ own kind,
whether they be Jews or worms.

>The 'racial' distinction you make is simply an excuse to elevate yourself 
>above other humans. 

"Chosen People?"  I don't suppose that's an arrogant ethnocentric self-desig-
nation the Jews gave _themselves_?

>>Where does the line stop?  My morality is based on the principle that Good 
>>means beneficial to the Aryan Race.

>No such race exists. 

So you say.  Too bad I don't care what you believe.

>It was invented to give the Nazis an excuse to exterminate their racial 
>"inferiors".

Apparently the fact that the Aryan Race was defined decades before Hitler's
reign, or that the name Aryan had a racist association to a certain biological
type even millenia ago in the time of the RgVeda escapes you.  But then, who 
said my opponents _cared_ about facts?

And _why_ was the Myth of the "Chosen People" created?  Love of one's fellow
man?!?!

>>Why shouldn't an expansion of "murder" and compassion be extended beyond an 
>>anthropocentric defintion, to include cruelty and killing of ALL animals?

>Interesting -- Kleim apparently classes the Jew as an "animal". 

We are ALL animals.  

Why do YOU only include hominids in your worldview?  Why not cows and pigs?

We all make choices in whom and what we associate with, and who and what we
concern ourselves with.

>That must be why it's all right to gas them.

I guess we Gentiles are just "goys"; that must be why it's alright to slaughter
us like in Judeo-Bolshevik Russia.

>Where does the Creator say that Milton Kleim is a better, more worthwhile 
>creation than the least of the Jews?

Is there a copyright on such a claim?  Are you accusing me of violating the
Jewish copyright on the "chosen people" idea?

>And are the Jews human to you, Kleim? 

Yes, Jews are hominids.

>Do you share the same evolutionary ancestors? 

ALL LIFEFORMS "share the same evolutionary ancestors."

>>I do not wish for ANYONE'S death (except perhaps for those who deliberately 
>>try to do me and my own harm).

>Frankly, given your endless rhetoric about the inferior, slimy Jew, I don't
>believe that last statement. 

So?

Some people believe the Earth is flat, some believe Elvis is alive, some
believe in the Loch Ness monster.

>I'm not the least bit interested in debating Judaism with you, Kleim...

You have no arguments, you have no answers.  How _could_ you debate me?

>Once again -- we're all the _same_ kind, Kleim. The racial differences you
>focus on are irrelevant, and the focus unproductive.

So you say.  Some of us believe otherwise.  We're not interested in your Faith.

>As has already been pointed out here, you do not understand what "Chosen
>People" means.

All-knowing Jeffrey, PLEASE tell us what "Chosen People" means.

>Which Jews alive today are responsible for the slaughter of the Canaanites? 

Explain why the Jews, if they supposedly are great moralists, celebrate the
slaughter of innocent children?

>>And don't be attributing statements to me that I have never made.  I have
>>never expressed any desire to "wreak mass murder" upon the Jews.  Nor do I 
>hold such a desire. 

>I frankly consider that last statement a self-serving lie.

So?

I consider you a pompous ass.

>They're part of our society, like it or not. I don't believe they're "in your
>affairs" nearly as much as you fantasize them to be.

PLEASE tell us, all-knowing Jeffrey, how many "goys" there are in Israeli
television, government, and finance.

>>and then show them what National Socialism built in a few years.

>Yes -- a society based on the repression and murder of Jews and other
>"undesirables", and on the waging of aggressive wars of conquest. 

A society that was happier than any People this century.  A society that was
more productive than any other in history.  A society that helped fulfill the 
honest dreams of even the lowliest worker.

A society in control of its own destiny.  A society free from the tyranny of
money.  A society in which People genuinely loved their Leader.

>I can see why you admire Nazi Germany so much.

I can see why Jews admire Israel.  Slaughter of Arab women in hospitals,
slaughter of undefended sailors on the USS Liberty, shootings of Palestinian
children in the streets of their homeland the Jews stole.  Quite a satisfying
state of affairs for a Jew.  

"Even the best of the Goiim should be killed."

>>The Truth is YOUR enemy, not mine.

>Ah, that (capital T) Truth that only the mighty mythical Aryans possess, huh?

Truth from the Creator that ANYONE can accept or reject.

>No -- the truth is that you are a frustrated petty dictator who's pissed off
>that the world knows better than to listen to your fanatical ravings about how
>everything that's gone wrong in your life is the fault of the International
>Joosh Conspiracy. 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

The "Great Masters of Lies," which Schopenhauer termed the greatest of para-
sites, CANNOT stand against the Truth.

The Goiim shall prevail.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:56:01 GMT
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Mark Israel responds to me:

>>> Most people's ancestors of 3000 years ago were barbarous.
>>> Is that an excuse for being barbarous today?

>> I don't know.  Ask your fellow Jews who celebrate such barbaric activity.

>   The vast majority of them would answer with a firm "no". 
>Now, why don't you know?

Then why do they celebrate Passover?   Oh yeah, it's celebration of the Jews'
"escape."

>> Most of the Aryans who do not embrace National Socialism do so out of
>> ignorance.  

>(1) How many "Aryans" do you estimate have read your "National 
>Socialism FAQ"?

Not many.  Most people are essentially programmed to react to any NS terminol-
ogy or regalia in the standard way.

>From the response to my first posting of the FAQ, it was obvious that nearly
all of my critics did NOT read the FAQ, just the title or first few lines.

>(2) Of those, how many do you estimate have converted to National
>Socialism?

It was not intended to "convert" anyone.  It is intended to provide a resource
list and alternative view of National Socialism.  Any "conversions" will occur
because the reader makes an honest investigation into the matter and finds
that the reality behind the media-generated illusion is radically different...
and powerfully great.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:58:02 GMT
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Mark Israel writes:

>   Are you implying that Bradley Smith, Greg Raven, and Ross Vicksell *are*
>"afraid to tell the whole Truth"?

Yes.



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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: My Reply
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>Jews _are_ your own kind, Kleim: human beings. 
>
>_Aryans_ are my kind because I choose to define "my own kind" as that People.

Well, that's nice. But since you seem to believe that freedom and
justice are merely a nuisance we're here to inform you that you are
wrong and you may not think this way any longer. In kind.

Perhaps if you ever express an interest in individual freedoms and
justice we can take your own requirements for the same more seriously.

But so long as you consider it all a one-way street, only your
freedoms and your justice are important and screw everyone else, then
we're forced to treat you as you apparently wish people to be treated,
at least rhetorically.

See, Hermann, your problem is you have a stupid and infantile (the
technical word is "egoistic") view of life, you wear it on your
sleeve.

You think somehow that the world is here to serve you, and that your
rights and needs (vaguely couched by you in the plural as a basically
infantile mind attempts to reconcile with the adult trying to get
through, ok maybe it's not just me maybe it's, um, me and a very few
others, is that better? no.) are more important than others. Well, you
are very, very wrong. No doubt you will learn this some day, probably
the hard way. I doubt anyone here can make you sane, however. You are
simply going to have to lose big and then perhaps some sense will come
into your head. Or maybe you'll die before that happens or just become
one of those pathetic crazy people. It doesn't matter much to me
really.

But don't argue with me, it's futile, you are really just arguing with
yourself. It's only an expression of your own rather twisted and
tortured consciousness trying to reconcile with itself. That is why
you post this idiocy here, you are trying to convince yourself you are
not entirely crazy. Perhaps if you shout loudly enough that piece of
you which raises doubts in your own mind will shut up and be
reconciled? Probably not, that part of you casting doubt is what the
rest of us call your humanity, something we have to give small
children and thus allow them to be a part of society. In some people,
like yourself, this process is damaged. The prisons are full of such
people who thought their own needs were entirely more important than
others'.

Next question?

>>No such race exists. 
>
>So you say.  Too bad I don't care what you believe.

Indeed, and we assure you, also, that we don't care what you believe.

Next question?

>And _why_ was the Myth of the "Chosen People" created?

Ah, Hermann asks a theological question!

If you read Deuteronomy 7, particularly from 7:5 on, there's some
clarification of God's word on this topic (since you choose to
reference the Old Testament I'll assume you also accept this to be
God's word. Personally I subscribe to no religion, but I'll play along
with your game for the moment even if just therapeutically.)

Basically He says that those who reject graven images etc (ie, pagan
worship) and accept Him and His word as the only God are chosen.

It's roughly paraphrased again in the New Testament when we are told
that only through faith in God and belief in Jesus Christ as our
Savior can one enter the Kingdom of Heaven: Matthew 22:14, For many
are called, but FEW ARE CHOSEN (emphasis mine.) I believe that puts
this to rest.

Does this perhaps clarify this STUPID, IDIOTIC AND FUTILE LINE OF
REASONING you became enthralled with a few days ago and out of sheer
and nearly stupifying ignorance choose to belabor and harp on without
any indication you know what the hell you are talking about? Good.

Next question?

>>Once again -- we're all the _same_ kind, Kleim. The racial differences you
>>focus on are irrelevant, and the focus unproductive.
>
>So you say.  Some of us believe otherwise.  We're not interested in your Faith.

Ya know, I once lived with this dog who was a very nice dog except for
one thing: He seemed to have absolutely no conception that biting
someone (typically in play) *hurt*. He seemed completely confused when
people would get angry at him over this. So one day he bit me pretty
hard so I bit him back pretty hard, got a good yelp out of him! He
never, ever bit me again and we became best of friends. Life can be
like that. I think our friend Hermann desparately needs life to bite
him on the ass, and hard.

>The Goiim shall prevail.

Psst, hey bud, you represent no one but your own lunatic ravings.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kleim's hate (was: The meaning of revisionism)
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Barry Shein responds to me:

>>>We should care because the Jews are human beings... just as (alas) Milton
>>>Kleim is.

>>Why should I care if those not of my own kind are killed?

>Because such ill-regard for human life is likely to also turn on you.

Dresden proved who disregarded human life.  I didn't create this type of
attitude.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionist Scholarship Case Study
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Morrison writes:

>Holocaust Revisionist Intellectual Dishonesty: A Case Study

>Milton John Kleim Jr. addresses Einstein

For you to go to all this work to attempt to paint me as a fool and a liar
flatters me.

You've proven my effectiveness on the Net.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Barry Shein responds to me:

>>The issue here is not who did it, but rather that the Jews rejoice in the
>>deaths of innocents.

>The Jews rejoice in their deliverance from slavery.

So did the Germans on January 30, 1933.  But because Germany is a "goy" Nation,
that's different.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
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Barry Shein writes:

>What the fuck is this? Does every thick-headed non-Jew feel it's their
>god-given right and duty to sit in scolding judgement of the Jewish
>religion?

They probably learned it from the self-righteous Jews.

>Shall we go over everything said in the New Testament that may not
>seem entirely to each of our own likings?

Why not?



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions (Updated)
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                           NATIONAL SOCIALISM 
                                 PRIMER

                            Updated 10/09/94



What is National Socialism?

   National Socialism represents the most sound means of assuring the biologi-
   cal and cultural rejuvenation and progression of the White, or Aryan, Race. 

   National Socialism is the product of over a century of political and social 
   thought cultivated in Germanic Nations, popularized and first put into ac-
   tion by its foremost proponent, German _Fuehrer_ and Chancellor Adolf 
   Hitler.

   National Socialism was at first a progressive political outlook adopted in 
   several European Nations, but evolved quickly into a pan-Aryan Vision of
   racial rejuvenation and progress.  Many rightly view National Socialism as 
   the reemergence of a pre-Christian Nature-based Aryan Faith.


Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"

   _Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root "aryo," meaning noble. 
   _Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from 
   Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names 
   _Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_.  Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
   largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by 
   both academics and laypersons as a synonym for White.  _Aryan_ was popular-
   ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_  [My 
   Struggle].
  
   _Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and their 
   descendants across the globe.


Why do you use the Swastika?

   The _Swastika_ (from Sanskrit, "good fortune") is an ancient symbol of the 
   Aryan Peoples representing primarily the positive powers of the Universe 
   which generate and sustain Life, and secondarily good will and good fortune 
   toward the righteous.

   The Swastika has been used for over four thousand years by Aryan and non-
   Aryan alike in Asia, Europe, and North America.  Aryan racialists reclaimed 
   use of the Swastika from pre-Christian European Faiths as a symbol of 
   racial renewal and progress.


What is "Blood and Soil?"   

   "Blood and Soil" refers to the relationship between People and Homeland, 
   and the link of the individual to the natural Order.  "Blood and Soil" rep-
   resents reverence for the origin and miracles of Life, the Ideal of organic 
   lifestyle, and the importance of truly creative work.


Aren't you nihilists without morality?

   National Socialism is a reawakened moral perception, founded upon the 
   ancient and eternal living Truth of the Creator's Will.  National Social-
   ists embrace the Divinely-inspired purpose of humanity: the quest for ex-
   cellence and constant improvement.  National Socialists believe the Aryan 
   Race is the premiere guardian of the righteousness of the Divine Will and 
   the vanguard in the never-ending struggle to achieve humanity's ultimate 
   physical and spiritual potential.

   National Socialists realize the present dominant paradigm, based upon 
   Judaic thought, blasphemes the Creator's Will.  Cultural-diversity destroy-
   ing "universalist" ideologies such as Judeo-Christianity, Capitalism, Marx-
   ism, and Internationalism, founded upon the Jewish Ideal of circumvention 
   of the Creator's Will _must_ be rejected by all people who love the Divine 
   Master of the Universe and His Law.  No compromise or synthesis is possible 
   between the natural Order's Truth and thoroughly flawed Jewish paradigms.

   National Socialism has no pretentious religious "law book" purporting to 
   contain "truth."  The Wisdom of God is present in Nature for all to seek, 
   understand, and apply in their own lives.


What are the "14 Words?"

   "We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White 
   children."

   They are a creed defining succinctly the raison d'etre of today's National 
   Socialist Movement, authored by National Socialist revolutionary David 
   Lane.  

   Lane, a member of the armed revolutionary group known as "The Order," was 
   captured and persecuted by the present regime for his Aryan separatist ac-
   tivities, and is now held as a political prisoner in a Federal political 
   dissident institution.


Why do you give that "Hitler salute?"

   The Aryan Salute, the right arm extended forward with open hand turned palm
   up or down, is an ancient greeting first used by warriors to designate an
   absence of ready weapons and hostility.  The common military salute is a
   more convenient adaptation of this millenia-old custom.  The Aryan Salute 
   has been used by many Aryan Peoples, most notably during ancient times by 
   the Romans, most notably in modern times by citizens of Fascist Italy and 
   National Socialist Germany.

   The Aryan Salute today symbolizes peace, respect, and good will toward com-
   rades or friendly strangers to whom it is extended.  Alternatively, it sym-
   bolizes Aryan racial solidarity when extended to foes.


Why do you worship Hitler?

   National Socialists do not "worship" Adolf Hitler.  National Socialists 
   _do_ offer Hitler deserving reverence for his role in bringing our Race a 
   message of Hope through his leadership of the German People, and as vision-
   ary of a new Europe and a new World.

   National Socialists recognize that while Hitler was an heroic leader, he 
   was human, capable of error.  Hitler's example, both through communication 
   with us in _Mein Kampf_, and in the record of his deeds, serves to guide 
   National Socialists in their efforts to initiate Aryan renewal, but his 
   doctrine does not inhibit the positive evolution of National Socialism 
   toward more sound ideas and methods.  Unlike the static, lifeless ideolo-
   gies of the Establishment, such as the "liberalism" and "conservatism" 
   peddled to confuse and divide Americans against themselves, National Social-
   ism is a _living_ philosophy which adapts to new positive trends and cir-
   cumstances of an ever changing world.


Why do you hate Democracy?

   National Socialists embrace _genuine_ Democracy, but reject the Establish-
   ment's false Democracy, where the illusion of participatory government is 
   manifested in a controlled system of "choices" which all invariably lead to 
   the _same_ end.  

   Adolf Hitler presented a legitimate alternative to the German People in his 
   day, and was freely supported by the vast majority of Germans throughout 
   his reign.  National Socialists today believe that presented a _genuine_ 
   choice, without our opponents using misrepresentation, slander, and false 
   promises, the American Majority would choose to create a National Socialist 
   political system and social order.

   National Socialism does not endorse dictatorship; that is, a political 
   apparatus that functions contrary to the Will and best interests of the
   Majority, as does the present System.  National Socialism endorses the
   "leadership principle," or the idea that a Nation is best governed by those 
   most capable of guiding his or her fellow citizens and providing for their
   social needs and wants.


Why do you hate America?

   National Socialists love the America founded by our pioneer ancestors, but
   despise the "New America" of crime and corruption, decadence and degenera-
   cy, lies and lewdness.  

   America's founders envisioned a land where Aryans from every European Nation
   could build a new life, and by hard work and noble ideals, build a great
   country.  America became a great country because its Aryan men and women
   _made_ it a great country.

   Traditional American Ideals of Honesty, Courage, Commitment, Determination,
   Ingenuity, and Industriousness have been subverted because the American
   People are one of the last obstacles the World Manipulators must overcome
   to achieve their "New World Order" of absolute power and unchecked accumu-
   lation of your wealth.  This ongoing destruction of our People is the sin-
   ister work of alien anti-Americans, who pose as Americans, and who are dili-
   gently assisted by the treasonous Washington Criminals.

   Many great Americans, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and Walt 
   Disney believed in National Socialism, and worked to prevent the enslavement
   of our People.  Today's National Socialists demand a return to the Ideals 
   that made this a once great land, and work to restore the prosperity and
   prestige the American People deserve.


Why don't you believe in human rights?

   National Socialists believe that a People's right to choose how they live 
   with whom they choose to live -- the right of self-determination -- is 
   _the_ most fundamental, inalienable human right.

   The Aryan Race has been denied self-determination through the actions of 
   both internal and external forces, these forces operating out of hatred 
   and/or self-interest to inhibit the social and economic health of Aryan 
   families worldwide, with the ultimate goal being the extinction of our kind 
   through genocidal social, political, and economic programs.

   National Socialism's foremost goal is the liberation of the Aryan Race from 
   these genocidal policies, and implementation of alternatives which will 
   assure its perpetual survival and continued positive evolution.  Part of 
   this goal is to liberate the mind and soul of Americans from the unjusti-
   fied guilt complex instilled by the Establishment's schools and churches 
   and perpetuated by the Jewish-controlled media.  This undeserved shame in-
   hibits the lives of its victims, and must be replaced by love for one's 
   Race and Nation.

   The "concern" about "human rights" by the Jewish-controlled media and among
   Establishment academicians and politicians is a clever sham designed to ob-
   fuscate, hiding the _real_ causes of oppression and injustice in the world.

   The Establishment's fraudulent "United Nations" and other "human rights
   organizations" are mere comforting facades, used as tools both to divert
   attention away from the sinister whims of the World Manipulators and to neu-
   tralize opposition to their "New World Order."  Examination of the record 
   of these "human rights organizations" reveals a very slanted bias toward 
   certain issues and groups serving a _clear political agenda_.  Most obvious 
   is the total lack of genuine censure and _effective_ sanction of Israel's 
   decades of murder and oppression against the indigenous People of Palestine.

   National Socialists believe in _genuine_ human rights for all Peoples.  The
   well-being of the Aryan Race is always our first concern, but as feasible,
   we support and aid other Nations and Races in their effort to build a soci-
   ety conducive to their happiness and prosperity and appropriate for their
   unique character.


Why are you such male chauvinists?

   Despite what Establishment academicians and the Jewish-controlled media in-
   sist you believe, male National Socialists consider our racial sisters
   _partners_ in the struggle for racial rejuvenation and progress, as activ-
   ists, warriors, _and_ mothers.

   The Creator intends for women and men to be _complementary_, not contradic-
   tory.  While Marxist and Jewish "Feminists" arrogantly reject women's
   uniqueness, attempting to "liberate" women from their womanhood, National
   Socialists accept the slight differences between men and women as 
   _strengths_, and demand an end to the gynophobia which is a consequence of
   centuries of pervasive Judeo-Christianity.

   _Relative to the era_, National Socialist Germany had the most truly pro-
   gressive attitude toward women's issues, making leaps forward to end the 
   contempt of women emanating from Judeo-Christian tradition.  Adolf Hitler, 
   among his many revolutionary acts, broke the traditions of the highly an-
   drocentric German Armed Forces by awarding heroine test-pilot Hanna Reitsch
   the Iron Cross.  Many capable, talented women, like Realm Women's Leader
   Gertrud Scholtz-Klink, assumed important roles in helping to rebuild German
   society, and later in the defense of Europe, often while tending their fami-
   lies in the face of great adversity.


Just who do you consider "Aryan?"

   National Socialists recognize individuals as biologically Aryan if they are
   wholly of non-Jewish, non-Asiatic European ancestry, descendants of the 
   autochthonous Peoples of the contemporary States of Austria, Belarus, Bel-
   gium, Britain, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Ger-
   many, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, 
   Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and Ukraine.  Many persons 
   of Albanian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Georgian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Por-
   tuguese, Romanian, Serbian, and Spanish heritage also qualify as Aryan, 
   their ancestors being pioneers of Aryan communities in those lands.

   In every Aryan, there is an instinctive drive to rise above mediocrity and
   decadence.  Materialistic "modern living" can suppress or pervert this call-
   ing, but nothing can ever fully extinguish this gift from the Creator.  The
   Aryan who begins to feel this energy ceases to wallow in the spiritual 
   wasteland of the Establishment's benighted "religious" seers, and struggles 
   to master his or her own Will, achieve proficiency, alleviate shortcomings, 
   discover wisdom, and while so doing, experiences a "revolution in thought" 
   to attain an unique sense of Being, the _Aryan Consciousness_.  To attain
   the Aryan Consciousness is to fulfill one's Aryan heritage, to complete
   one's "Aryanhood." 

   Many myths about the criteria of "Aryan" have been perpetrated by the Jew-
   ish-controlled media and Establishment academia.  An Aryan is not neces-
   sarily blond, blue-eyed, and six-feet tall; the blond Nordic is merely the 
   most notable representative of the Aryan Race because he or she differs 
   most significantly from non-Aryans.  National Socialism did not and does 
   not preach or practice hatred of non-Germanic Aryans, such as French or 
   Slavic Nations.  Adolf Hitler enjoyed the work and friendship of many aides 
   and officers of German citizenship, _but Polish family name and heritage_.  
   Hitler also facilitated the independence of the Slavic Nations of Croatia 
   and Slovakia.  Unfortunately, centuries-old, myopic cultural antipathy 
   between Slavic and Teutonic Nations did, and does manifest itself, oc-
   casionally resulting in misunderstanding and conflict, including the 1939 
   Polish-German War.  


Why do you hate non-Whites?

   National Socialism is based on love of one's own kind and the Creator's 
   benevolent natural Order, _not_ hatred.  National Socialists love their Race 
   above all, and wish to see it thrive and progress.

   Non-Aryans, in particular Jews, regularly engage in activities which in-
   hibit the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of Aryans, and sometimes 
   directly harm individuals of our Race.  The effects of these hate-motivated
   activities provoke deep resentment and sometimes defensive hatred in Aryan 
   racialists, occasionally resulting in unfortunate retributory measures 
   against the perpetrator.  Despite this, Aryan racialists strive to avoid 
   conflict with individuals from different racial or ethnic groups, extending 
   due respect to non-Aryans whenever possible.  National Socialists support 
   and often work with racialists of other Races, such as Black Muslims, who 
   wish to see their Peoples thrive and progress, too.

   Because it benefits their self-serving political agenda, the Jewish-con-
   trolled media routinely and deliberately misrepresent the ideas of Aryan 
   racialists, National Socialists in particular, and present the highly mis-
   leading and inaccurate image of the "violent White-supremacist 'neo-Nazi'
   extremist," resulting in the popularly-held myths about the National 
   Socialist Movement.


Why did Hitler murder six million innocent people?

   Contrary to popular belief, no program of genocide against European Jewry 
   existed during World War II.  Unfortunate but understandable deaths re-
   sulted from Allied-inflicted acts of war which crippled the German economy 
   and infrastructure, leading to virtual cut-off of supplies to the concen-
   tration camps and the starvation or death by disease of tens of thousands 
   of inmates.  There simply was no deliberate program of genocide planned and 
   implemented by the German government, nor is there evidence for the exist-
   ence of gas chambers suitable for mass-murder at the camps alleged to be 
   "extermination centers."

   A Myth has been constructed through sophistry from the spurious allegations 
   and misrepresented facts regarding the Jewish situation during World War II 
   as a weapon of psychological and political extortion and manipulation of 
   Western Peoples by Zionists and their Judeophile apologists.

   The Holocaust is an "historical fact" so flimsy it must be supported by
   force, legislation being enacted in several "democratic" countries, in-
   cluding France, Germany, and Sweden, making it a _criminal_ offense to ex-
   press doubt in _any_ aspect of its dogmatic "truth."


Aren't you right-wing fascists?

   National Socialists reject the Establishment's misleading left/right polit-
   ical spectrum, and are neither "rightist" nor "leftist."  National Socialism 
   favors policies similar to those put forth by both "liberals" and "conserv-
   atives" on many issues, and cannot be confined to a philosophical "pigeon-
   hole," our revolutionary Vision transcending the false stereotypes inherent 
   in the "traditional" political spectrum.

   Fascism is properly the name of the political and social ideology espoused 
   by Italian _Duce_ and Premier Benito Mussolini.  Fascism and National 
   Socialism have many similarities, but are _not_ synonymous.  Fascists be-
   lieve in the supremacy of the State and conformance to a rigid artificial 
   social order, while National Socialism is the manifestation of the Laws of 
   Nature in harmony with the collective spirit of the People, or Folk, who 
   are the highest entity of the Nation, above the State and other man-made 
   institutions.

   The term "fascist" derives from the Latin word _fasces_, the name of the 
   Roman symbol of legitimate authority, a wrapped bundle of rods with a pro-
   jecting axe.  The _fasces_ can be found today in and on many _American_ 
   Federal and State government buildings, and county court houses.  "Fascist" 
   is regularly used by the Jewish-controlled media, Establishment academi-
   cians, and misled Americans as a label intended to be severely derogatory to 
   any opponent of the present System's _illegitimate_ power over the American 
   People.


Hasn't science proven you're full of it?

   Dishonest "scholarship" by the clique of politically-motivated social and
   bio-social scientists has resulted in a body of pseudo-science, its formu-
   lators deliberately omitting "undesirable" facts relating to the strengths
   and shortcomings of each unique human race.  This phony "science" is cited 
   ceaselessly by media liars, hopelessly befuddled "intellectuals," and the
   well-meaning but misled ordinary American.  Equally-qualified and -educated
   scientists have challenged the false premises of the Establishment's Lysen-
   koesque anthropology, and offer a dogma-free alternative which takes into 
   account ignored facts.

   Orthodox social "science," which maintains as a major tenet the _political_
   idea of biological racial equality, allegedly justifies today's social pol-
   icies that have caused great hardship and despair for millions of both Afri-
   cans and Aryans.  Because the victimization of Aryan and African families
   _must_ end, National Socialists demand realistic social policy be imple-
   mented as soon as possible to relieve the pain and suffering inflicted.

   National Socialists promote the Scientific Enterprise, which is simply the
   discovery or understanding through free inquiry of the Laws and processes of
   the natural Order, and encourage use of scientific knowledge to better the
   collective human condition and the lives of individuals.  Scientific re-
   search flourished in National Socialist Germany, with advances occurring in
   medicine, psychology, environmental science, engineering, and other fields,
   work by German scientists even leading directly to the success of America's
   space program and Moon landings.  A National Socialist government will help
   make American science once again the best in the world.


Shouldn't we save the Earth first?

   National Socialists recognize that to survive, the Aryan Race must have a 
   healthy environment, free of the Life-inhibiting poisons Capitalism has 
   brought upon the world.

   The National Socialist German government promulgated numerous radical 
   Nature conservation programs, including the most progressive and comprehen-
   sive legislation to date, the 1935 _Reichsnaturschutzgesetz_ (Realm Nature 
   Protection Law).

   National Socialism today, maintaining the Aryan tradition of strict rever-
   ence for the natural Order and its Life-giving elements, advocates curtail-
   ment of the everywhere pervasive Nature-destroying Capitalist consumption-
   ism, the latter's mad quest for profit causing nearly all of the environ-
   mental disasters we face, and in remedy, implementation of sustainable, 
   organic agriculture, sound methods of resource extraction and use, and re-
   duction and eventual elimination of toxic substances in our nourishment and 
   throughout the environment.  


Why should I support something my grandfather died to destroy?

   It is terribly painful to realize our grandparents' generation was _used_
   by the Roosevelt regime and the shadow string-pullers behind that cabal, 
   but the facts demonstrate that indeed the American People were deceived
   -- abused -- by traitors, to compel them to fight their brothers and sis-
   ters in Germany during World War II.

   Are the American People happier today than before the war?  Are American
   schools better, streets safer, cities more beautiful today than before the
   war?  The American People fought not to save their traditional Way of Life,
   but to destroy America's potential ally in order to increase the wealth and
   power of the World Manipulators.

   Adolf Hitler sincerely sought alliance with the American and British 
   Peoples, as the record shows, but the criminal Roosevelt and Churchill 
   regimes violently rebuffed his hand of friendship.  Ironically today, it
   is the Vision we share with Hitler that will save the American People from
   the gruesome end gleefully planned for us by the World Manipulators.

   We _cannot_ condemn the millions who fell in the Second World War, American
   and German, to a vainful death by refusing to do what is _right_ today be-
   cause our forebears mistakenly thought it wrong yesterday.


Who are skinheads?

   Skinheads are young Aryan men and women who having been bluntly exposed to 
   the tragic realities of today's "New America," consequently become dis-
   illusioned with the Establishment's "multicultural" deathstyle and turn to 
   a sounder Way for individual development and racial progress.

   Contrary to the image of Skinheads portrayed in the Jewish-controlled media,
   National Socialist Skinheads possess virtuous character and have realistic 
   yet positive attitudes about life in today's corrupt society.  

   Skinheads form tight-knit social groups where camaraderie prevails.  They 
   regularly express themselves through powerful, stirring music, poetry, and 
   visual artwork, and celebrate racial kinship with social gatherings amongst 
   comrades.  Skinhead women have an integral part in the struggle for racial 
   survival, earning admiration from their male counterparts.  A broad spec-
   trum of personalities and backgrounds are represented among Skinheads, but 
   their Ideals of Honor and Love for Folk bind them together to courageously 
   confront the crime-infested society we endure and the hoodlums that threat-
   en their communities.

   Most Skinheads are "Generation X" youth who have been betrayed by the elders
   obligated to guard their future, but rather than surrender to a bleak fate
   dished out by the present System, each Skinhead contributes his or her 
   knowledge, talent and skills to _build_ a more promising future for them-
   selves and our Race.


Aren't you tools of the wealthy and powerful?

   National Socialism is diametrically opposed to monopoly Capitalism and all 
   its exploitive manifestations.  The World Manipulators and other socio-
   economic elitists have hated and feared National Socialism since its in-
   ception, for the National Socialist Vision represents a viable alternative 
   to the Tyranny of Money's inequitable compensation for productive labor and 
   its criminal usury-debt-based finance system, which oppresses working 
   people of _all_ racial and ethnic backgrounds.  Not the Democrats, not the 
   Republicans, not the Marxists, but _only_ National Socialists expose the 
   usury-debt finance racket, vowing to destroy it, replacing its rape of the 
   worker with a more equitable economic system based on _genuine_ wealth and 
   a sound currency. 

   National Socialism is dynamic and progressive, encouraging all types of cre-
   ative work which contribute to the health, happiness, or safety of the Race 
   and Nation, and requires proper compensation in living wages, prestige, and 
   social services for farmers, artisans, and laborers.  National Socialism 
   rigorously sanctions with correction or expulsion parasitical elements which 
   selfishly exploit the Nation and Race and refuse to contribute for the bene-
   fit of the entire Folk community. 

   A National Socialist government will protect the National economy from a
   flood of goods produced through Capitalist exploitation of foreign slave
   labor, guaranteeing American farmers, artisans, and laborers a _fair_ 
   trading market.


Will you dare try to legislate morality?

   _All_ governments legislate morality.  That's the purpose of legitimate gov-
   ernment, to provide for the order, stability, and justice which guarantees
   citizens opportunity for happy, productive lives.  The difference between a
   legitimate government and a dictatorship is not a matter of methods, but
   of _motives_ in legislating and governing the Nation.  A legitimate govern-
   ment legislates morality -- law -- which benefits the People and their live-
   lihood and happiness.  An illegitimate government legislates morality that
   serves special interests, most often a wealthy economic minority, usually 
   leading to spiritual and social sickness for the Nation.

   The Jewish-controlled media and Establishment academicians and politicians
   strive to deny the present regime's legislation of _perverse_ morality.  By
   deceiving the American People, awareness of the perversity of the legis-
   lated morality is lessened, and opposition to it stifled.

   A National Socialist government will legislate and govern in the best inter-
   ests of the American People.  National Socialism will put an end to U.S.
   Government-sponsored pictures of Jesus Christ in urine purported to be
   "art," Establishment-promoted and -defended "rap songs" advocating murder
   of police officers purported to be "music," Establishment-glorified filthy
   acts like anal sex purported to be "constitutional rights," and the domina-
   tion of the American Majority by a bigoted religious minority who places
   a tax on _all_ Americans' food in keeping with their "dietary laws."


Why did Hitler have total gun control?

   Misinformed individuals, deriving their false premises from the Jewish-con-
   trolled media and Establishment academia, wrongly claim the German People
   were deprived of firearms during the Third Reich.  While it is true the 
   National Socialist German government did enforce many firearms regulations, 
   the Hitler Administration in fact moderated the _more_ strict gun control 
   regulations of the "democratic" Weimar Republic, and encouraged ordinary 
   German citizens to obtain firearms.

   National Socialists support the inalienable right to individual and collec-
   tive self-defense, both from common thugs and corrupt regimes that function 
   contrary to the Will and best interests of the Majority.  Therefore, 
   National Socialists support the right to possess, and use whenever neces-
   sary, _effective_ firearms and proper ammunition, free of the unreasonable 
   regulations and taxes intended to deprive the citizenry of self-defense
   weapons.


Who are these "World Manipulators?"

   The World Manipulators are an international network of highly resourceful 
   fanatics who believe it their rightful destiny to be Lords of the Earth.  
   This network of organized crime has become a de facto, quasi-secret "super-
   government," exercising near absolute power over the world's banking sys-
   tem, and tremendous influence over the world's mass media and most of the 
   world's ostensibly legitimate governments.

   Jews, members of a People who have chosen themselves to rule the World, 
   comprise a majority of the World Manipulators, with substantial numbers of
   Aryans and Asians intoxicated with Judaic thought also participating in this
   obscene racket.

   Through their masterfully managed mass media, and with the aid of their
   apologists and "true-believers" in the Establishment's "Ivory Towers" of
   Ignorance, the World Manipulators have created a spectrum of "permissible" 
   thought, not unlike the "goodthink" in Orwell's dark world of _1984_, which 
   "right thinking" people are expected to adhere to, with admonishment or 
   even criminal punishment for transgressors.  Obviously, National Socialism 
   lies outside this "politically correct" spectrum of "permissible" thought.

   The World Manipulators recognize strong, healthy, free Nations and Races are
   unbreachable obstacles to their insane lust for _unlimited_ power and 
   wealth, and seek to enslave or obliterate through concocted "no-win" wars,
   planned economic calamity, and crazy but calculated social policy _all_ 
   Nations and Races, _especially_ the Aryan Race.


What is "ZOG?"

   "ZOG," an acronym for _Zionist Occupational Government_, is a popular euphe-
   mism for the alien anti-Americans, the Washington Criminals and their will-
   ing collaborators within Federal, State, and local government agencies that
   dictate directives to the American People and force our compliance.

   The Zionist Occupational Government, or alternately, Jewish Occupational
   Government, is an entity under the hegemony of the World Manipulators who 
   stealthily coordinate the policies of the several occupation governments 
   wielding power over the Aryan Nations to provide an uniform tyranny as well
   as an united front of the "international community" against any potential 
   threat.  ZOG is an _occupation_ government because it is commanded by in-
   filtrators _from a foreign power_ who gained entry to the United States for 
   the real purpose of sabotage of America's legitimate authority, armed for-
   ces, and economy leading to our unavoidable capitulation as a sovereign 
   Nation.


What do you call your party?

   Because today's political world has changed phenomenally since the days of 
   Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, the American National 
   Socialist Movement of 1994 is multi-faceted, without a centralized organi-
   zation and with a diversity of tactical approaches to achieve our most im-
   portant goal.

   Since the World Manipulators have a "golden grip" on the political systems
   of Western Nations, National Socialists have little or no chance of imple-
   menting the Will of the Aryan Majorities through conventional means at this 
   time.  To diminish or neutralize the oppression and subversion by the Es-
   tablishment against National Socialists, diversification of guidance and 
   resources has occurred within the Movement, and although a few small, rep-
   utable and effective NS organizations exist, this diversification has cul-
   minated in a form of "leaderless resistance."  Leaderless resistance means 
   that the National Socialist takes responsibility in his or her own commu-
   nity for directing localized activities and dissemination of the Good News 
   of National Socialism.
   
   The time for direct action and a national organization has not yet arrived.

   A National Socialist is defined by inner substance, not by outer appearance.
   Attention-desperate clowns dressed in Hollywood "Nazi" costumes parading
   around with German flags in childish imitation of a past era who cannot
   offer a coherent expression of the National Socialist Vision -- favorite
   spectacles for Jewish-controlled television -- are _not_ National Social-
   ists.


What does National Socialism offer me, the ordinary American?

   National Socialism means the opportunity of a happier, more fulfilling life 
   for the ordinary American working man and woman.

   A National Socialist government will work _for_ you and your best interests,
   using your hard-earned tax dollars for the benefit of _your_ People's well-
   being, _not_ for "foreign aid" parasites like Israel.

   National Socialism means that the American worker's productivity -- his or 
   her hard work -- will work _not_ for international bankers, millionaire 
   Capitalist racketeers, and their politician-stooges, but to build a better 
   today for American families and an even brighter tomorrow for Aryan 
   children.

   National Socialists support: 

   - opportunities for all to have a rewarding, productive career, suitable to
     individual ability, talent, and needs.

   - affordable opportunities for all families to _truly own_ a home or a food-
     and fiber-producing homestead.

   - opportunities for creative entrepreneurs to establish or sustain produc-
     tive businesses supporting their families and the National economy, free 
     from the crippling taxes, usury-bondage, and corrupt anti-entrepreneur 
     tactics of today's monopoly Capitalist system. 

   - physical and spiritual health maintenance programs for all ages, empha-
     sizing holistic nutrition and fitness awareness.

   - free, comprehensive medical services for all, with special concern for 
     children, mothers, and the aged.  

   - free, universal quality education, primary through university level,
     stressing excellence, practical knowledge, and love of wisdom.

   - enjoyable leisure and social activities for workers inside and outside 
     the workplace, including family vacations, participant sports, and Nature 
     appreciation activities.

   - replacement of Establishment-directed soul-destroying mindless "enter-
     tainment" and degenerate "art" with government-supported programs empow-
     ering all to express themselves through healthy culture, including music, 
     literature, visual arts, theater and dance, and festivals.

   - replacement of the Establishment's mechanistic, inorganic, money-driven 
     law code with a People's Law system upholding the principle of justice 
     for individuals regardless of wealth, gender, or age.

   Question not _how_ National Socialism will build a better life, but _how it 
   can once again_.


How can I help?

   Collecting Third Reich memorabilia is a hobby, not activism.  Discussing
   today's problems while not working for the solution is whining, not activ-
   ism.  Painting swastikas and screaming racial slurs is juvenile stupidity, 
   not activism.

   Activism means commitment.  Activism means you dedicate yourself to Aryan 
   survival and progress, and work daily for its realization.  Activism means 
   you think, act, and look like an Aryan.  "Thinking like an Aryan" means 
   constantly having thoughts constructive and beneficial for oneself and our 
   Race.  "Acting like an Aryan" means upholding Honor in all you do, working 
   for the best interests of the Aryan Race, and _never_ doing anything sense-
   lessly harmful to oneself or our Race.  "Looking like an Aryan" means pre-
   senting oneself in a respectable manner at all times, with cleanliness and 
   sobriety.  Therefore, drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual deviants/perverts, 
   "thrill-seekers," Charlie Manson fanatics, and the mentally and morally 
   unstable are not welcome in the National Socialist Movement.

   Begin by contacting the organizations below, and READ their publications.  
   Read and deeply ponder the ideas and information in the works offered by 
   National Socialist booksellers, and in the following bibliography.  Most 
   importantly, TELL OTHERS about the Good News of National Socialism.  As 
   your knowledge, ability, and means permit, organize appropriate activities 
   for your own community.

   The Aryan Race is backed against the wall.  There is no time to fear for 
   one's comfort.  YOU would see the death of the Aryan Race and _all_ you 
   value, were we to fail in this greatest endeavor of all time.  We have but 
   one option, and that is _forward_.  The alternative is for Aryan men to 
   serve the "New World Order" on their knees, and for Aryan women to serve on 
   their backs.

   YOUR efforts, no matter how small or great, in concert with those of your 
   racial brothers and sisters across this Nation and around the world shall 
   result in 

      The Triumph of the Aryan Will.


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National Socialist ACTIVIST ASSOCIATIONS


The Heritage Front *                        National Alliance  
P.O. Box 564  Station R                     PO Box 90
Toronto, ON  M4G 4E1                        Hillsboro WV  24946         
CANADA


NS Kindred
PO Box 256
North San Juan CA  95960

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National Socialist PUBLICATIONS


_Gambanreidi Statement_                     _National Vanguard_
PO Box 616                                  PO Box 90
Springville AL  35146-0616                  Hillsboro WV  24946


_Remarks_                                   _Resistance_ *
PO Box 234                                  PO Box 24700
Aurora NY  13026-0234                       Detroit MI  48224


_Up Front_ *                                _Vanguard_
P.O. Box 564  Station R                     PO Box 86221
Toronto, ON  M4G 4E1                        Los Angeles CA  90086-0221
CANADA

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National Socialist BOOK & MUSIC DISTRIBUTORS


Aryan Free Press Books                      Bound for Glory Services
PO Box 6853                                 PO Box 1104
Champaign IL  61826                         Mankato MN  56002


Howard Allen Enterprises *                  National Vanguard Books         
PO Box 76                                   PO Box 90          
Cape Canaveral FL  32920                    Hillsboro WV  24946          


Phoenix Records                             Resistance Records *
PO Box 898                                  PO Box 24700
Walnut CA  91788                            Detroit MI  48224
                      

Totenkopf Services
1040 South Mount Vernon #123
Colton CA  92324
                                    
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National Socialist SKINHEAD ASSOCIATION


The Northern Hammer Skins
PO Box 6773
St Paul MN  55106

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National Socialist TELEPHONE MESSAGE LINES


Heritage Front Hotline *                    National Alliance

(416) 693-2298                              (304) 653-4600 

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National Socialist RADIO PROGRAM


_American Dissident Voices_                 

Hosted by Kevin Alfred Strom             


On 50,000 watt AM stations:                 On shortwave radio:

KAAY 1090  (Little Rock, AR)                WRNO
Saturday                                    Saturday

-- at 0100 Central                          -- at 1130 Central on 15420 kHz
-- at 2330 Central                          -- at 2000 Central on 7355 kHz   

KCKN 1020  (Roswell, NM)                    WINB 
Sunday                                      Sunday

-- at 2100 Mountain                         -- at 1430 Central on 15715 kHz

KXEL 1540  (Waterloo, IA)                   Friday
Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday               
                                            -- at 2330 Central on 11950 kHz
-- at 2130 Central                         
                                            Saturday
WWVA 1170 (Wheeling, WV)                
Sunday                                      -- at 1630 Central on 15715 kHz
                                            -- at 2200 Central on 11950 kHz
-- at 2100 Eastern
                                            

For a complete schedule, write National Vanguard Books.

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BIBLIOGRAPHY of useful works on National Socialism and National Socialist
Germany


Works by National Socialists:


Bauer, Wilhelm.  _German Economic Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

Bouhler, Philipp.  _Adolf Hitler: A Short Sketch of His Life_.  Berlin: 
   Terramare Office, 1938.

Degrelle, Leon.  _Campaign in Russia: The Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front_.
   Torrance, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1985.

Dietrich, Otto.  _A Revolution in Thought_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

_____.  _The Spiritual Foundations of the New Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1941.

_Documents on the Events Preceding the Outbreak of the War_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Dorn, Karl.  _Werkstoffe: Miracles of German Chemistry_.  New York: German
   Library of Information, 1941.

Ebner, Adalbert.  _German Forests: Treasures of A Nation_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Edel, Fritz.  _German Labour Service_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Ehrt, Adolf.  _Communism in Germany: The Truth about the Communist Conspiracy
   on the Eve of the National Revolution_.  Berlin: General League of Anti-
   Communist Associations, 1933.

Feder, Gottfried.  _Hitler's Official Programme and Its Fundamental Ideas_.
   London: George Allen & Unwin, 1934.

Frercks, Rudolf.  _German Population Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Funk, Walther.  _The Economic Future of Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_German Youth in a Changing World_.  Fourth Edition.  Berlin: Terramare Office,
   1936.

_Germany: Facts and Figures_.  New York: German Library of Information, 1941.

_Germany Speaks_.  London: Butterworth, 1938.

Grimm, Friedrich.  _The Significance of this War_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_____.   _Versailles in Liquidation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Gritzbach, Erich.  _Hermann Goring: The Man and His Work_.  London: Hurst & 
   Blackett, 1939.

Heinz, Heinz A.  _Germany's Hitler_.  London: Hurst & Blackett, 1934.

Hitler, Adolf.  _Adolf Hitler From Speeches, 1933-1938_.  Berlin: Terramare
   Office, 1938.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by Ralph Manheim.  Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 
   1971.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by James Murphy.  London: Hurst & Blackett,
   1939.

Kaiser, Fritz.  "Entartete 'Kunst' Austellungsfuhrer" [Degenerate "Art" 
   Exhibition Guide], translated by David Britt, in _"Degenerate Art": The 
   Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_, pp. 356-390.  Edited by Stephanie 
   Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: Abrams, 
   1991. 

Lindbergh, Charles A.  "Aviation, Geography, and Race," in _Reader's Digest_,
   volume 35, #211 (November 1939), pp. 64-67.

_A Nation Builds: Contemporary German Architecture_.  New York: German Library
   of Information, 1940.

Reher, Werner.  _Social Welfare in Gemany_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Reitsch, Hanna.  _Flying is My Life_.  Translated by Lawrence Wilson.  New 
   York: Putnam, 1954.

Rittich, Werner.  _New German Architecture_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1941.

Rosenberg, Alfred.  _The Myth of the Twentieth Century: An Evaluation of the 
   Spiritual-Intellectual Confrontations of Our Time_.  Translated by Vivian 
   Bird.  Costa Mesa, CA: Noontide Press, 1993.

_____.  _Race and Race History, and Other Essays_.  Edited by Robert Pois.  New
   York: Harper & Row, 1971.

Rudel, Hans Ulrich.  _Stuka Pilot_.  Translated by Lynton Hudson.  New York:
   Ballantine, 1958.

Sadila-Mantau, Hans Heinz.  _German Political Profiles_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1938.

Schinnerer, Erich.  _German Law and Legislation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1938.

_Wenn Alle Bruder Schweigen: Grosse Bildband uber die Waffen SS_  ["When All 
   the Brothers are Silent": Great Photo Book of the Waffen-SS].  Osnabruck, 
   Germany: Munin, 1981.

Wilhelm, Theodor, and Gerhard Graefe.  _German Education Today_.  Second Edi-
   tion.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1937.


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National Socialist Motion Pictures on videocassette:


_Assorted Nazi Political Films_  (1932-1943).  Videorecording; Chicago:
   International Historic Films, 1985.

_Der ewige Jude_ [The Eternal Jew]  (Fritz Hippler, 1940).  Videorecording; 
   Chico, CA: Tamarelle, 1985.

_Hitlerjunge Quex_ [Hitler Youth Quex]  (Hans Steinhoff, 1933).  Videore-
   cording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1984.

_Jud Suss_ [The Jew Suess]  (Veit Harlan, 1940).  Videorecording; Chicago: 
   International Historic Films, 1984.

_Olympia_  [in two parts]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938).  Videorecording; Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1984.  Part 1: Fest der Volker [Fest-
   ival of the Nations]; Part 2: Fest der Schonheit [Festival of Beauty].

_Triumph des Willens: Das Dokument vom Reichsparteitag 1934_ [Triumph of the 
   Will: The Documentary of the 1934 Realm Party Congress]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 
   1935).   Videorecording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1985, or Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1986.


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Contemporary National Socialist Fiction:


Macdonald, Andrew (pseudonym).  _Hunter_.  Hillsboro, WV: National Vanguard 
   Books, 1989.

_____.  _The Turner Diaries_.  Second Edition.  Hillsboro, WV:  National Van-
   guard Books, 1988.


                       ------------------------------


Supplementary works --

*  While surveying the following works, please keep in mind that each con-  *
*  tains Establishment-mandated anti-National Socialist cliches and mis-    *
*  leading, misrepresented or patently false data.  In addition, a majority *
*  of the authors have varying degrees of anti-National Socialist biases,   *
*  most commonly a pro-Establishment political agenda.                      *

*  May the reader be enlightened by these works, while recognizing and      *
*  overcoming their subjectivity and error.                                 *


Adam, Peter.  _Art of the Third Reich_.  New York: Abrams, 1992.

Beyerchen, Alan D.  _Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics 
   Community in the Third Reich_.  New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1977.

Bramwell, Anna C.  _Blood and Soil: Walther Darre and Hitler's "Green Party"_.
   Abbotsbrook, Buckinghamshire, UK: Kensal Press, 1985.

_____.  _Ecology in the Twentieth Century: A History_.  New Haven, CT: Yale 
   University Press, 1989.

_____.  "Was This Man 'Father of the Greens?'," in _History Today_, volume 34 
   (September 1984), pp. 7-13.

Cocks, Geoffrey.  _Psychotherapy in the Third Reich: The Goring Institute_. 
   New York: Oxford University Press, 1985.

De Zayas, Alfred M., with Walter Rabus.  _The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 
   1939-1945_.  Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1989.  

_"Degenerate Art": The Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_.  Edited by 
   Stephanie Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: 
   Abrams, 1991.

Dominick, Raymond H., III.  "The Nazis and the Nature Conservationists," in
   _The Historian_, volume 49, #4 (August 1987), pp. 508-538.

Farquharson, J.E.  _The Plough and the Swastika: The NSDAP and Agriculture in
   Germany 1928-45_.  London: SAGE, 1976.

Field, Geoffrey G.  _Evangelist of Race: The Germanic Vision of Houston 
   Stewart Chamberlain_.  New York: Columbia University Press, 1981.

Garrity, John A.  "The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,"
   in _The American Historical Review_, volume 78, #4 (October 1973), pp. 
   907-944.

Geuter, Ulfried.  _The Professionalization of Psychology in Nazi Germany_. 
   Translated by Richard J. Holmes.  New York: Cambridge University Press,
   1992.

Greenwood, Harry Powys.  _The German Revolution_.  London: Routledge, 1934.

Grossman, S.  "C.G. Jung and National Socialism," in _Journal of European Stud-
   ies_, volume 9, #4 (1979), pp. 231-259.

Grunfeld, Frederic V.  _The Hitler File: A Social History of Germany and the 
   Nazis_.  New York: Random House, 1974.

Guillebaud, C.W.  _The Economic Recovery of Germany from 1933 to the Incorpor-
   ation of Austria in March 1938_.  London: Macmillan, 1939.

Herbert, Ulrich.  "Good Times, Bad Times," in _History Today_, volume 36
   (February 1986), pp. 42-48.

Herf, Jeffrey.  _Reactionary Modernism: Technology, Culture, and Politics in 
   Weimar and the Third Reich_.  New York: Cambridge University Press, 1984.

Hermand, Jost.  _Old Dreams of a New Reich: Volkish Utopias and National
   Socialism_.  Translated by Paul Levesque and Stefan Soldovieri.  Blooming-
   ton: Indiana University Press, 1992.

Herzstein, Robert E.  _The War That Hitler Won: The Most Infamous Propaganda
   Campaign in History_.  New York: Putnam, 1978.

Hinz, Berthold.  _Art in the Third Reich_.  Translated by Robert and Rita
   Kimber.  New York: Pantheon, 1979.

Hopfinger, K.B.  _The Volkswagen Story_.  Revised Third Edition.  Cambridge, 
   MA: Robert Bentley, 1971.

Hull, David S.  _Film in the Third Reich: A Study of the German Cinema,
   1933-1939_.  Berkeley: University of California Press, 1969.

Irving, David.  _Goring: A Biography_.  London: Macmillan, 1989.

_____.  _Hess: The Missing Years 1941-1945_.  London: Macmillan, 1987.

_____.  _Hitler's War_.  New York: Viking, 1977.  **

_____.  _The War Path: Hitler's Germany 1933-1939_.  New York: Viking, 1978.

Kamenetsky, Christa.  _Children's Literature in Hitler's Germany: The Cultural 
   Policy of National Socialism_.  Athens, OH: Ohio University Press, 1984.

Littlejohn, David.  _Foreign Legions of the Third Reich_ [in four volumes].
   San Jose, CA: Bender, 1979-1987.  Volume 1: Norway, Denmark, France; Volume
   2: Belgium, Great Britain, Holland, Italy, and Spain; Volume 3: Albania,
   Czechoslovakia, Greece, Hungary, and Yugoslavia; Volume 4: Poland, the 
   Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Free India, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland,
   and Russia.

_____.  _The Patriotic Traitors: The History of Collaboration in German-
   Occupied Europe, 1940-1945_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1972.

Mosse, George L.  _The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins of the 
   Third Reich_.  New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1964.

_____.  _The Nationalization of the Masses: Political Symbolism and Mass Move-
   ments in Germany from the Napoleonic Wars through the Third Reich_.  New
   York: Howard Fertig, 1975.

_Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and Social Life in the Third Reich_.
   Edited by George L. Mosse.  Translated by Salvator Attanasio, et.al.  New 
   York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1966.   

_Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation_.  Edited and translated by Barbara
   Miller Lane and Leila J. Rupp.  Austin: University of Texas Press, 1978.

Nelson, Walter Henry.  _Small Wonder: The Amazing Story of the Volkswagen_.
   Revised Edition.  Boston: Little, Brown, 1967.

Price, Billy F.  _Adolf Hitler: The Unknown Artist_.  Houston: B.F. Price, 
   1984.

Proctor, Robert.  _Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis_.  Cambridge, MA:
   Harvard University Press, 1988.

Rabinbach, Anson G.  "The Aesthetics of Production in the Third Reich," in
   _Journal of Contemporary History_, volume 11, #4 (1976), pp. 43-74.

Rhodes, Anthony.  _Propaganda: The Art of Persuasion, World War II_.  Edited 
   by Victor Margolin.  New York: Chelsea House, 1976.

Rockmore, Tom.  _On Heidegger's Nazism and Philosophy_.  Berkeley: University
   of California Press, 1992.

Rupp, Leila J.  _Mobilizing Women for War: German and American Propaganda,
   1939-1945_.  Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1978.

Schiff, Stephen.  "Leni's Olympia," in _Vanity Fair_, volume 55, #9 (September
   1992), pp. 252-261, 291-296.

Schoenbaum, David.  _Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi
   Germany 1933-1939_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1966.

_Scott 1994 Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue_.  Sidney, OH: Scott Publishing, 
   1993.  Volume 2, "Bohemia and Moravia," pp. 919-921.

_Ibid_.  "Croatia," pp. 802-806.

_Ibid_.  Volume 3, "Finland," pp. 205, 223, 226.

_Ibid_.  "France,"  pp. 237, 292-294.

_Ibid_.  "Germany," pp. 403-405, 435-439, 447-449.

_Ibid_.  "Hungary," pp. 643-644, 691-692.

_Ibid_.  "Italy," pp. 857-861, 894-901.

_Ibid_.  Volume 4, "Norway," pp. 635, 648-649. 

_Ibid_.  "Poland," pp. 854-856.

_Ibid_.  Volume 5, "Romania," pp. 8-10, 58-61, 70.

_Ibid_.  "Slovakia," pp. 366-369.

Sheehan, Thomas.  "A Normal Nazi," in _The New York Review of Books_, volume
   40, #s 1 and 2 (January 14, 1993), pp. 30-35.

Sluga, Hans.  _Heidegger's Crisis: Philosophy and Politics in Nazi Germany_.
   Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1993).

Stein, George H.  _The Waffen SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War 1939-1945_.
   Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1966.

Stephenson, Jill.  _Women in Nazi Society_.  New York: Barnes & Noble, 1975.

Stibbe, Matthew.  "Women and the Nazi State," in _History Today_, volume 43
   (November 1993), pp. 35-40.

Stieg, Margaret F.  "The Nazi Public Library and the Young Adult," in _Top of 
   the News_, volume 43, #1 (Fall 1986), pp. 45-57.  

_____.  _Public Libraries in Nazi Germany_.  Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama 
   Press, 1992.

Taylor, A.J.P.  _The Origins of the Second World War_.  New York: Atheneum,
   1962.

Toland, John.  _Adolf Hitler_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1976.

Weingartner, James J.  "The SS Race and Settlement Office: Towards an Orden 
   of Blood and Soil," in _Historian_, volume 34, #1 (November 1971), pp. 
   62-77.

Weir, L.H.  _Europe at Play: A Study of Recreation and Leisure-Time Activi-
   ties_.  New York: A.S. Barnes, 1937.

Whiteside, Andrew G.  _The Socialism of Fools: Georg Ritter von Schonerer and 
   Austrian Pan-Germanism_.  Berkeley: University of California Press, 1975.


** A new edition has been issued by Focal Point Publications of London, which
   includes both _Hitler's War_ and _The War Path_, revised in accordance with 
   new data and the author's dismissal of the Holocaust Myth.

Please note:  To facilitate library catalog searches, umlauts have purposely 
              not been anglicized.


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   necessarily reflect the positions of any particular organization or
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                           NATIONAL SOCIALISM 
                                 PRIMER

                            Updated 10/09/94



What is National Socialism?

   National Socialism represents the most sound means of assuring the biologi-
   cal and cultural rejuvenation and progression of the White, or Aryan, Race. 

   National Socialism is the product of over a century of political and social 
   thought cultivated in Germanic Nations, popularized and first put into ac-
   tion by its foremost proponent, German _Fuehrer_ and Chancellor Adolf 
   Hitler.

   National Socialism was at first a progressive political outlook adopted in 
   several European Nations, but evolved quickly into a pan-Aryan Vision of
   racial rejuvenation and progress.  Many rightly view National Socialism as 
   the reemergence of a pre-Christian Nature-based Aryan Faith.


Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"

   _Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root "aryo," meaning noble. 
   _Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from 
   Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names 
   _Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_.  Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
   largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by 
   both academics and laypersons as a synonym for White.  _Aryan_ was popular-
   ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_  [My 
   Struggle].
  
   _Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and their 
   descendants across the globe.


Why do you use the Swastika?

   The _Swastika_ (from Sanskrit, "good fortune") is an ancient symbol of the 
   Aryan Peoples representing primarily the positive powers of the Universe 
   which generate and sustain Life, and secondarily good will and good fortune 
   toward the righteous.

   The Swastika has been used for over four thousand years by Aryan and non-
   Aryan alike in Asia, Europe, and North America.  Aryan racialists reclaimed 
   use of the Swastika from pre-Christian European Faiths as a symbol of 
   racial renewal and progress.


What is "Blood and Soil?"   

   "Blood and Soil" refers to the relationship between People and Homeland, 
   and the link of the individual to the natural Order.  "Blood and Soil" rep-
   resents reverence for the origin and miracles of Life, the Ideal of organic 
   lifestyle, and the importance of truly creative work.


Aren't you nihilists without morality?

   National Socialism is a reawakened moral perception, founded upon the 
   ancient and eternal living Truth of the Creator's Will.  National Social-
   ists embrace the Divinely-inspired purpose of humanity: the quest for ex-
   cellence and constant improvement.  National Socialists believe the Aryan 
   Race is the premiere guardian of the righteousness of the Divine Will and 
   the vanguard in the never-ending struggle to achieve humanity's ultimate 
   physical and spiritual potential.

   National Socialists realize the present dominant paradigm, based upon 
   Judaic thought, blasphemes the Creator's Will.  Cultural-diversity destroy-
   ing "universalist" ideologies such as Judeo-Christianity, Capitalism, Marx-
   ism, and Internationalism, founded upon the Jewish Ideal of circumvention 
   of the Creator's Will _must_ be rejected by all people who love the Divine 
   Master of the Universe and His Law.  No compromise or synthesis is possible 
   between the natural Order's Truth and thoroughly flawed Jewish paradigms.

   National Socialism has no pretentious religious "law book" purporting to 
   contain "truth."  The Wisdom of God is present in Nature for all to seek, 
   understand, and apply in their own lives.


What are the "14 Words?"

   "We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White 
   children."

   They are a creed defining succinctly the raison d'etre of today's National 
   Socialist Movement, authored by National Socialist revolutionary David 
   Lane.  

   Lane, a member of the armed revolutionary group known as "The Order," was 
   captured and persecuted by the present regime for his Aryan separatist ac-
   tivities, and is now held as a political prisoner in a Federal political 
   dissident institution.


Why do you give that "Hitler salute?"

   The Aryan Salute, the right arm extended forward with open hand turned palm
   up or down, is an ancient greeting first used by warriors to designate an
   absence of ready weapons and hostility.  The common military salute is a
   more convenient adaptation of this millenia-old custom.  The Aryan Salute 
   has been used by many Aryan Peoples, most notably during ancient times by 
   the Romans, most notably in modern times by citizens of Fascist Italy and 
   National Socialist Germany.

   The Aryan Salute today symbolizes peace, respect, and good will toward com-
   rades or friendly strangers to whom it is extended.  Alternatively, it sym-
   bolizes Aryan racial solidarity when extended to foes.


Why do you worship Hitler?

   National Socialists do not "worship" Adolf Hitler.  National Socialists 
   _do_ offer Hitler deserving reverence for his role in bringing our Race a 
   message of Hope through his leadership of the German People, and as vision-
   ary of a new Europe and a new World.

   National Socialists recognize that while Hitler was an heroic leader, he 
   was human, capable of error.  Hitler's example, both through communication 
   with us in _Mein Kampf_, and in the record of his deeds, serves to guide 
   National Socialists in their efforts to initiate Aryan renewal, but his 
   doctrine does not inhibit the positive evolution of National Socialism 
   toward more sound ideas and methods.  Unlike the static, lifeless ideolo-
   gies of the Establishment, such as the "liberalism" and "conservatism" 
   peddled to confuse and divide Americans against themselves, National Social-
   ism is a _living_ philosophy which adapts to new positive trends and cir-
   cumstances of an ever changing world.


Why do you hate Democracy?

   National Socialists embrace _genuine_ Democracy, but reject the Establish-
   ment's false Democracy, where the illusion of participatory government is 
   manifested in a controlled system of "choices" which all invariably lead to 
   the _same_ end.  

   Adolf Hitler presented a legitimate alternative to the German People in his 
   day, and was freely supported by the vast majority of Germans throughout 
   his reign.  National Socialists today believe that presented a _genuine_ 
   choice, without our opponents using misrepresentation, slander, and false 
   promises, the American Majority would choose to create a National Socialist 
   political system and social order.

   National Socialism does not endorse dictatorship; that is, a political 
   apparatus that functions contrary to the Will and best interests of the
   Majority, as does the present System.  National Socialism endorses the
   "leadership principle," or the idea that a Nation is best governed by those 
   most capable of guiding his or her fellow citizens and providing for their
   social needs and wants.


Why do you hate America?

   National Socialists love the America founded by our pioneer ancestors, but
   despise the "New America" of crime and corruption, decadence and degenera-
   cy, lies and lewdness.  

   America's founders envisioned a land where Aryans from every European Nation
   could build a new life, and by hard work and noble ideals, build a great
   country.  America became a great country because its Aryan men and women
   _made_ it a great country.

   Traditional American Ideals of Honesty, Courage, Commitment, Determination,
   Ingenuity, and Industriousness have been subverted because the American
   People are one of the last obstacles the World Manipulators must overcome
   to achieve their "New World Order" of absolute power and unchecked accumu-
   lation of your wealth.  This ongoing destruction of our People is the sin-
   ister work of alien anti-Americans, who pose as Americans, and who are dili-
   gently assisted by the treasonous Washington Criminals.

   Many great Americans, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and Walt 
   Disney believed in National Socialism, and worked to prevent the enslavement
   of our People.  Today's National Socialists demand a return to the Ideals 
   that made this a once great land, and work to restore the prosperity and
   prestige the American People deserve.


Why don't you believe in human rights?

   National Socialists believe that a People's right to choose how they live 
   with whom they choose to live -- the right of self-determination -- is 
   _the_ most fundamental, inalienable human right.

   The Aryan Race has been denied self-determination through the actions of 
   both internal and external forces, these forces operating out of hatred 
   and/or self-interest to inhibit the social and economic health of Aryan 
   families worldwide, with the ultimate goal being the extinction of our kind 
   through genocidal social, political, and economic programs.

   National Socialism's foremost goal is the liberation of the Aryan Race from 
   these genocidal policies, and implementation of alternatives which will 
   assure its perpetual survival and continued positive evolution.  Part of 
   this goal is to liberate the mind and soul of Americans from the unjusti-
   fied guilt complex instilled by the Establishment's schools and churches 
   and perpetuated by the Jewish-controlled media.  This undeserved shame in-
   hibits the lives of its victims, and must be replaced by love for one's 
   Race and Nation.

   The "concern" about "human rights" by the Jewish-controlled media and among
   Establishment academicians and politicians is a clever sham designed to ob-
   fuscate, hiding the _real_ causes of oppression and injustice in the world.

   The Establishment's fraudulent "United Nations" and other "human rights
   organizations" are mere comforting facades, used as tools both to divert
   attention away from the sinister whims of the World Manipulators and to neu-
   tralize opposition to their "New World Order."  Examination of the record 
   of these "human rights organizations" reveals a very slanted bias toward 
   certain issues and groups serving a _clear political agenda_.  Most obvious 
   is the total lack of genuine censure and _effective_ sanction of Israel's 
   decades of murder and oppression against the indigenous People of Palestine.

   National Socialists believe in _genuine_ human rights for all Peoples.  The
   well-being of the Aryan Race is always our first concern, but as feasible,
   we support and aid other Nations and Races in their effort to build a soci-
   ety conducive to their happiness and prosperity and appropriate for their
   unique character.


Why are you such male chauvinists?

   Despite what Establishment academicians and the Jewish-controlled media in-
   sist you believe, male National Socialists consider our racial sisters
   _partners_ in the struggle for racial rejuvenation and progress, as activ-
   ists, warriors, _and_ mothers.

   The Creator intends for women and men to be _complementary_, not contradic-
   tory.  While Marxist and Jewish "Feminists" arrogantly reject women's
   uniqueness, attempting to "liberate" women from their womanhood, National
   Socialists accept the slight differences between men and women as 
   _strengths_, and demand an end to the gynophobia which is a consequence of
   centuries of pervasive Judeo-Christianity.

   _Relative to the era_, National Socialist Germany had the most truly pro-
   gressive attitude toward women's issues, making leaps forward to end the 
   contempt of women emanating from Judeo-Christian tradition.  Adolf Hitler, 
   among his many revolutionary acts, broke the traditions of the highly an-
   drocentric German Armed Forces by awarding heroine test-pilot Hanna Reitsch
   the Iron Cross.  Many capable, talented women, like Realm Women's Leader
   Gertrud Scholtz-Klink, assumed important roles in helping to rebuild German
   society, and later in the defense of Europe, often while tending their fami-
   lies in the face of great adversity.


Just who do you consider "Aryan?"

   National Socialists recognize individuals as biologically Aryan if they are
   wholly of non-Jewish, non-Asiatic European ancestry, descendants of the 
   autochthonous Peoples of the contemporary States of Austria, Belarus, Bel-
   gium, Britain, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Ger-
   many, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, 
   Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and Ukraine.  Many persons 
   of Albanian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Georgian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Por-
   tuguese, Romanian, Serbian, and Spanish heritage also qualify as Aryan, 
   their ancestors being pioneers of Aryan communities in those lands.

   In every Aryan, there is an instinctive drive to rise above mediocrity and
   decadence.  Materialistic "modern living" can suppress or pervert this call-
   ing, but nothing can ever fully extinguish this gift from the Creator.  The
   Aryan who begins to feel this energy ceases to wallow in the spiritual 
   wasteland of the Establishment's benighted "religious" seers, and struggles 
   to master his or her own Will, achieve proficiency, alleviate shortcomings, 
   discover wisdom, and while so doing, experiences a "revolution in thought" 
   to attain an unique sense of Being, the _Aryan Consciousness_.  To attain
   the Aryan Consciousness is to fulfill one's Aryan heritage, to complete
   one's "Aryanhood." 

   Many myths about the criteria of "Aryan" have been perpetrated by the Jew-
   ish-controlled media and Establishment academia.  An Aryan is not neces-
   sarily blond, blue-eyed, and six-feet tall; the blond Nordic is merely the 
   most notable representative of the Aryan Race because he or she differs 
   most significantly from non-Aryans.  National Socialism did not and does 
   not preach or practice hatred of non-Germanic Aryans, such as French or 
   Slavic Nations.  Adolf Hitler enjoyed the work and friendship of many aides 
   and officers of German citizenship, _but Polish family name and heritage_.  
   Hitler also facilitated the independence of the Slavic Nations of Croatia 
   and Slovakia.  Unfortunately, centuries-old, myopic cultural antipathy 
   between Slavic and Teutonic Nations did, and does manifest itself, oc-
   casionally resulting in misunderstanding and conflict, including the 1939 
   Polish-German War.  


Why do you hate non-Whites?

   National Socialism is based on love of one's own kind and the Creator's 
   benevolent natural Order, _not_ hatred.  National Socialists love their Race 
   above all, and wish to see it thrive and progress.

   Non-Aryans, in particular Jews, regularly engage in activities which in-
   hibit the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of Aryans, and sometimes 
   directly harm individuals of our Race.  The effects of these hate-motivated
   activities provoke deep resentment and sometimes defensive hatred in Aryan 
   racialists, occasionally resulting in unfortunate retributory measures 
   against the perpetrator.  Despite this, Aryan racialists strive to avoid 
   conflict with individuals from different racial or ethnic groups, extending 
   due respect to non-Aryans whenever possible.  National Socialists support 
   and often work with racialists of other Races, such as Black Muslims, who 
   wish to see their Peoples thrive and progress, too.

   Because it benefits their self-serving political agenda, the Jewish-con-
   trolled media routinely and deliberately misrepresent the ideas of Aryan 
   racialists, National Socialists in particular, and present the highly mis-
   leading and inaccurate image of the "violent White-supremacist 'neo-Nazi'
   extremist," resulting in the popularly-held myths about the National 
   Socialist Movement.


Why did Hitler murder six million innocent people?

   Contrary to popular belief, no program of genocide against European Jewry 
   existed during World War II.  Unfortunate but understandable deaths re-
   sulted from Allied-inflicted acts of war which crippled the German economy 
   and infrastructure, leading to virtual cut-off of supplies to the concen-
   tration camps and the starvation or death by disease of tens of thousands 
   of inmates.  There simply was no deliberate program of genocide planned and 
   implemented by the German government, nor is there evidence for the exist-
   ence of gas chambers suitable for mass-murder at the camps alleged to be 
   "extermination centers."

   A Myth has been constructed through sophistry from the spurious allegations 
   and misrepresented facts regarding the Jewish situation during World War II 
   as a weapon of psychological and political extortion and manipulation of 
   Western Peoples by Zionists and their Judeophile apologists.

   The Holocaust is an "historical fact" so flimsy it must be supported by
   force, legislation being enacted in several "democratic" countries, in-
   cluding France, Germany, and Sweden, making it a _criminal_ offense to ex-
   press doubt in _any_ aspect of its dogmatic "truth."


Aren't you right-wing fascists?

   National Socialists reject the Establishment's misleading left/right polit-
   ical spectrum, and are neither "rightist" nor "leftist."  National Socialism 
   favors policies similar to those put forth by both "liberals" and "conserv-
   atives" on many issues, and cannot be confined to a philosophical "pigeon-
   hole," our revolutionary Vision transcending the false stereotypes inherent 
   in the "traditional" political spectrum.

   Fascism is properly the name of the political and social ideology espoused 
   by Italian _Duce_ and Premier Benito Mussolini.  Fascism and National 
   Socialism have many similarities, but are _not_ synonymous.  Fascists be-
   lieve in the supremacy of the State and conformance to a rigid artificial 
   social order, while National Socialism is the manifestation of the Laws of 
   Nature in harmony with the collective spirit of the People, or Folk, who 
   are the highest entity of the Nation, above the State and other man-made 
   institutions.

   The term "fascist" derives from the Latin word _fasces_, the name of the 
   Roman symbol of legitimate authority, a wrapped bundle of rods with a pro-
   jecting axe.  The _fasces_ can be found today in and on many _American_ 
   Federal and State government buildings, and county court houses.  "Fascist" 
   is regularly used by the Jewish-controlled media, Establishment academi-
   cians, and misled Americans as a label intended to be severely derogatory to 
   any opponent of the present System's _illegitimate_ power over the American 
   People.


Hasn't science proven you're full of it?

   Dishonest "scholarship" by the clique of politically-motivated social and
   bio-social scientists has resulted in a body of pseudo-science, its formu-
   lators deliberately omitting "undesirable" facts relating to the strengths
   and shortcomings of each unique human race.  This phony "science" is cited 
   ceaselessly by media liars, hopelessly befuddled "intellectuals," and the
   well-meaning but misled ordinary American.  Equally-qualified and -educated
   scientists have challenged the false premises of the Establishment's Lysen-
   koesque anthropology, and offer a dogma-free alternative which takes into 
   account ignored facts.

   Orthodox social "science," which maintains as a major tenet the _political_
   idea of biological racial equality, allegedly justifies today's social pol-
   icies that have caused great hardship and despair for millions of both Afri-
   cans and Aryans.  Because the victimization of Aryan and African families
   _must_ end, National Socialists demand realistic social policy be imple-
   mented as soon as possible to relieve the pain and suffering inflicted.

   National Socialists promote the Scientific Enterprise, which is simply the
   discovery or understanding through free inquiry of the Laws and processes of
   the natural Order, and encourage use of scientific knowledge to better the
   collective human condition and the lives of individuals.  Scientific re-
   search flourished in National Socialist Germany, with advances occurring in
   medicine, psychology, environmental science, engineering, and other fields,
   work by German scientists even leading directly to the success of America's
   space program and Moon landings.  A National Socialist government will help
   make American science once again the best in the world.


Shouldn't we save the Earth first?

   National Socialists recognize that to survive, the Aryan Race must have a 
   healthy environment, free of the Life-inhibiting poisons Capitalism has 
   brought upon the world.

   The National Socialist German government promulgated numerous radical 
   Nature conservation programs, including the most progressive and comprehen-
   sive legislation to date, the 1935 _Reichsnaturschutzgesetz_ (Realm Nature 
   Protection Law).

   National Socialism today, maintaining the Aryan tradition of strict rever-
   ence for the natural Order and its Life-giving elements, advocates curtail-
   ment of the everywhere pervasive Nature-destroying Capitalist consumption-
   ism, the latter's mad quest for profit causing nearly all of the environ-
   mental disasters we face, and in remedy, implementation of sustainable, 
   organic agriculture, sound methods of resource extraction and use, and re-
   duction and eventual elimination of toxic substances in our nourishment and 
   throughout the environment.  


Why should I support something my grandfather died to destroy?

   It is terribly painful to realize our grandparents' generation was _used_
   by the Roosevelt regime and the shadow string-pullers behind that cabal, 
   but the facts demonstrate that indeed the American People were deceived
   -- abused -- by traitors, to compel them to fight their brothers and sis-
   ters in Germany during World War II.

   Are the American People happier today than before the war?  Are American
   schools better, streets safer, cities more beautiful today than before the
   war?  The American People fought not to save their traditional Way of Life,
   but to destroy America's potential ally in order to increase the wealth and
   power of the World Manipulators.

   Adolf Hitler sincerely sought alliance with the American and British 
   Peoples, as the record shows, but the criminal Roosevelt and Churchill 
   regimes violently rebuffed his hand of friendship.  Ironically today, it
   is the Vision we share with Hitler that will save the American People from
   the gruesome end gleefully planned for us by the World Manipulators.

   We _cannot_ condemn the millions who fell in the Second World War, American
   and German, to a vainful death by refusing to do what is _right_ today be-
   cause our forebears mistakenly thought it wrong yesterday.


Who are skinheads?

   Skinheads are young Aryan men and women who having been bluntly exposed to 
   the tragic realities of today's "New America," consequently become dis-
   illusioned with the Establishment's "multicultural" deathstyle and turn to 
   a sounder Way for individual development and racial progress.

   Contrary to the image of Skinheads portrayed in the Jewish-controlled media,
   National Socialist Skinheads possess virtuous character and have realistic 
   yet positive attitudes about life in today's corrupt society.  

   Skinheads form tight-knit social groups where camaraderie prevails.  They 
   regularly express themselves through powerful, stirring music, poetry, and 
   visual artwork, and celebrate racial kinship with social gatherings amongst 
   comrades.  Skinhead women have an integral part in the struggle for racial 
   survival, earning admiration from their male counterparts.  A broad spec-
   trum of personalities and backgrounds are represented among Skinheads, but 
   their Ideals of Honor and Love for Folk bind them together to courageously 
   confront the crime-infested society we endure and the hoodlums that threat-
   en their communities.

   Most Skinheads are "Generation X" youth who have been betrayed by the elders
   obligated to guard their future, but rather than surrender to a bleak fate
   dished out by the present System, each Skinhead contributes his or her 
   knowledge, talent and skills to _build_ a more promising future for them-
   selves and our Race.


Aren't you tools of the wealthy and powerful?

   National Socialism is diametrically opposed to monopoly Capitalism and all 
   its exploitive manifestations.  The World Manipulators and other socio-
   economic elitists have hated and feared National Socialism since its in-
   ception, for the National Socialist Vision represents a viable alternative 
   to the Tyranny of Money's inequitable compensation for productive labor and 
   its criminal usury-debt-based finance system, which oppresses working 
   people of _all_ racial and ethnic backgrounds.  Not the Democrats, not the 
   Republicans, not the Marxists, but _only_ National Socialists expose the 
   usury-debt finance racket, vowing to destroy it, replacing its rape of the 
   worker with a more equitable economic system based on _genuine_ wealth and 
   a sound currency. 

   National Socialism is dynamic and progressive, encouraging all types of cre-
   ative work which contribute to the health, happiness, or safety of the Race 
   and Nation, and requires proper compensation in living wages, prestige, and 
   social services for farmers, artisans, and laborers.  National Socialism 
   rigorously sanctions with correction or expulsion parasitical elements which 
   selfishly exploit the Nation and Race and refuse to contribute for the bene-
   fit of the entire Folk community. 

   A National Socialist government will protect the National economy from a
   flood of goods produced through Capitalist exploitation of foreign slave
   labor, guaranteeing American farmers, artisans, and laborers a _fair_ 
   trading market.


Will you dare try to legislate morality?

   _All_ governments legislate morality.  That's the purpose of legitimate gov-
   ernment, to provide for the order, stability, and justice which guarantees
   citizens opportunity for happy, productive lives.  The difference between a
   legitimate government and a dictatorship is not a matter of methods, but
   of _motives_ in legislating and governing the Nation.  A legitimate govern-
   ment legislates morality -- law -- which benefits the People and their live-
   lihood and happiness.  An illegitimate government legislates morality that
   serves special interests, most often a wealthy economic minority, usually 
   leading to spiritual and social sickness for the Nation.

   The Jewish-controlled media and Establishment academicians and politicians
   strive to deny the present regime's legislation of _perverse_ morality.  By
   deceiving the American People, awareness of the perversity of the legis-
   lated morality is lessened, and opposition to it stifled.

   A National Socialist government will legislate and govern in the best inter-
   ests of the American People.  National Socialism will put an end to U.S.
   Government-sponsored pictures of Jesus Christ in urine purported to be
   "art," Establishment-promoted and -defended "rap songs" advocating murder
   of police officers purported to be "music," Establishment-glorified filthy
   acts like anal sex purported to be "constitutional rights," and the domina-
   tion of the American Majority by a bigoted religious minority who places
   a tax on _all_ Americans' food in keeping with their "dietary laws."


Why did Hitler have total gun control?

   Misinformed individuals, deriving their false premises from the Jewish-con-
   trolled media and Establishment academia, wrongly claim the German People
   were deprived of firearms during the Third Reich.  While it is true the 
   National Socialist German government did enforce many firearms regulations, 
   the Hitler Administration in fact moderated the _more_ strict gun control 
   regulations of the "democratic" Weimar Republic, and encouraged ordinary 
   German citizens to obtain firearms.

   National Socialists support the inalienable right to individual and collec-
   tive self-defense, both from common thugs and corrupt regimes that function 
   contrary to the Will and best interests of the Majority.  Therefore, 
   National Socialists support the right to possess, and use whenever neces-
   sary, _effective_ firearms and proper ammunition, free of the unreasonable 
   regulations and taxes intended to deprive the citizenry of self-defense
   weapons.


Who are these "World Manipulators?"

   The World Manipulators are an international network of highly resourceful 
   fanatics who believe it their rightful destiny to be Lords of the Earth.  
   This network of organized crime has become a de facto, quasi-secret "super-
   government," exercising near absolute power over the world's banking sys-
   tem, and tremendous influence over the world's mass media and most of the 
   world's ostensibly legitimate governments.

   Jews, members of a People who have chosen themselves to rule the World, 
   comprise a majority of the World Manipulators, with substantial numbers of
   Aryans and Asians intoxicated with Judaic thought also participating in this
   obscene racket.

   Through their masterfully managed mass media, and with the aid of their
   apologists and "true-believers" in the Establishment's "Ivory Towers" of
   Ignorance, the World Manipulators have created a spectrum of "permissible" 
   thought, not unlike the "goodthink" in Orwell's dark world of _1984_, which 
   "right thinking" people are expected to adhere to, with admonishment or 
   even criminal punishment for transgressors.  Obviously, National Socialism 
   lies outside this "politically correct" spectrum of "permissible" thought.

   The World Manipulators recognize strong, healthy, free Nations and Races are
   unbreachable obstacles to their insane lust for _unlimited_ power and 
   wealth, and seek to enslave or obliterate through concocted "no-win" wars,
   planned economic calamity, and crazy but calculated social policy _all_ 
   Nations and Races, _especially_ the Aryan Race.


What is "ZOG?"

   "ZOG," an acronym for _Zionist Occupational Government_, is a popular euphe-
   mism for the alien anti-Americans, the Washington Criminals and their will-
   ing collaborators within Federal, State, and local government agencies that
   dictate directives to the American People and force our compliance.

   The Zionist Occupational Government, or alternately, Jewish Occupational
   Government, is an entity under the hegemony of the World Manipulators who 
   stealthily coordinate the policies of the several occupation governments 
   wielding power over the Aryan Nations to provide an uniform tyranny as well
   as an united front of the "international community" against any potential 
   threat.  ZOG is an _occupation_ government because it is commanded by in-
   filtrators _from a foreign power_ who gained entry to the United States for 
   the real purpose of sabotage of America's legitimate authority, armed for-
   ces, and economy leading to our unavoidable capitulation as a sovereign 
   Nation.


What do you call your party?

   Because today's political world has changed phenomenally since the days of 
   Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, the American National 
   Socialist Movement of 1994 is multi-faceted, without a centralized organi-
   zation and with a diversity of tactical approaches to achieve our most im-
   portant goal.

   Since the World Manipulators have a "golden grip" on the political systems
   of Western Nations, National Socialists have little or no chance of imple-
   menting the Will of the Aryan Majorities through conventional means at this 
   time.  To diminish or neutralize the oppression and subversion by the Es-
   tablishment against National Socialists, diversification of guidance and 
   resources has occurred within the Movement, and although a few small, rep-
   utable and effective NS organizations exist, this diversification has cul-
   minated in a form of "leaderless resistance."  Leaderless resistance means 
   that the National Socialist takes responsibility in his or her own commu-
   nity for directing localized activities and dissemination of the Good News 
   of National Socialism.
   
   The time for direct action and a national organization has not yet arrived.

   A National Socialist is defined by inner substance, not by outer appearance.
   Attention-desperate clowns dressed in Hollywood "Nazi" costumes parading
   around with German flags in childish imitation of a past era who cannot
   offer a coherent expression of the National Socialist Vision -- favorite
   spectacles for Jewish-controlled television -- are _not_ National Social-
   ists.


What does National Socialism offer me, the ordinary American?

   National Socialism means the opportunity of a happier, more fulfilling life 
   for the ordinary American working man and woman.

   A National Socialist government will work _for_ you and your best interests,
   using your hard-earned tax dollars for the benefit of _your_ People's well-
   being, _not_ for "foreign aid" parasites like Israel.

   National Socialism means that the American worker's productivity -- his or 
   her hard work -- will work _not_ for international bankers, millionaire 
   Capitalist racketeers, and their politician-stooges, but to build a better 
   today for American families and an even brighter tomorrow for Aryan 
   children.

   National Socialists support: 

   - opportunities for all to have a rewarding, productive career, suitable to
     individual ability, talent, and needs.

   - affordable opportunities for all families to _truly own_ a home or a food-
     and fiber-producing homestead.

   - opportunities for creative entrepreneurs to establish or sustain produc-
     tive businesses supporting their families and the National economy, free 
     from the crippling taxes, usury-bondage, and corrupt anti-entrepreneur 
     tactics of today's monopoly Capitalist system. 

   - physical and spiritual health maintenance programs for all ages, empha-
     sizing holistic nutrition and fitness awareness.

   - free, comprehensive medical services for all, with special concern for 
     children, mothers, and the aged.  

   - free, universal quality education, primary through university level,
     stressing excellence, practical knowledge, and love of wisdom.

   - enjoyable leisure and social activities for workers inside and outside 
     the workplace, including family vacations, participant sports, and Nature 
     appreciation activities.

   - replacement of Establishment-directed soul-destroying mindless "enter-
     tainment" and degenerate "art" with government-supported programs empow-
     ering all to express themselves through healthy culture, including music, 
     literature, visual arts, theater and dance, and festivals.

   - replacement of the Establishment's mechanistic, inorganic, money-driven 
     law code with a People's Law system upholding the principle of justice 
     for individuals regardless of wealth, gender, or age.

   Question not _how_ National Socialism will build a better life, but _how it 
   can once again_.


How can I help?

   Collecting Third Reich memorabilia is a hobby, not activism.  Discussing
   today's problems while not working for the solution is whining, not activ-
   ism.  Painting swastikas and screaming racial slurs is juvenile stupidity, 
   not activism.

   Activism means commitment.  Activism means you dedicate yourself to Aryan 
   survival and progress, and work daily for its realization.  Activism means 
   you think, act, and look like an Aryan.  "Thinking like an Aryan" means 
   constantly having thoughts constructive and beneficial for oneself and our 
   Race.  "Acting like an Aryan" means upholding Honor in all you do, working 
   for the best interests of the Aryan Race, and _never_ doing anything sense-
   lessly harmful to oneself or our Race.  "Looking like an Aryan" means pre-
   senting oneself in a respectable manner at all times, with cleanliness and 
   sobriety.  Therefore, drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual deviants/perverts, 
   "thrill-seekers," Charlie Manson fanatics, and the mentally and morally 
   unstable are not welcome in the National Socialist Movement.

   Begin by contacting the organizations below, and READ their publications.  
   Read and deeply ponder the ideas and information in the works offered by 
   National Socialist booksellers, and in the following bibliography.  Most 
   importantly, TELL OTHERS about the Good News of National Socialism.  As 
   your knowledge, ability, and means permit, organize appropriate activities 
   for your own community.

   The Aryan Race is backed against the wall.  There is no time to fear for 
   one's comfort.  YOU would see the death of the Aryan Race and _all_ you 
   value, were we to fail in this greatest endeavor of all time.  We have but 
   one option, and that is _forward_.  The alternative is for Aryan men to 
   serve the "New World Order" on their knees, and for Aryan women to serve on 
   their backs.

   YOUR efforts, no matter how small or great, in concert with those of your 
   racial brothers and sisters across this Nation and around the world shall 
   result in 

      The Triumph of the Aryan Will.


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BIBLIOGRAPHY of useful works on National Socialism and National Socialist
Germany


Works by National Socialists:


Bauer, Wilhelm.  _German Economic Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

Bouhler, Philipp.  _Adolf Hitler: A Short Sketch of His Life_.  Berlin: 
   Terramare Office, 1938.

Degrelle, Leon.  _Campaign in Russia: The Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front_.
   Torrance, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1985.

Dietrich, Otto.  _A Revolution in Thought_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

_____.  _The Spiritual Foundations of the New Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1941.

_Documents on the Events Preceding the Outbreak of the War_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Dorn, Karl.  _Werkstoffe: Miracles of German Chemistry_.  New York: German
   Library of Information, 1941.

Ebner, Adalbert.  _German Forests: Treasures of A Nation_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Edel, Fritz.  _German Labour Service_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Ehrt, Adolf.  _Communism in Germany: The Truth about the Communist Conspiracy
   on the Eve of the National Revolution_.  Berlin: General League of Anti-
   Communist Associations, 1933.

Feder, Gottfried.  _Hitler's Official Programme and Its Fundamental Ideas_.
   London: George Allen & Unwin, 1934.

Frercks, Rudolf.  _German Population Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Funk, Walther.  _The Economic Future of Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_German Youth in a Changing World_.  Fourth Edition.  Berlin: Terramare Office,
   1936.

_Germany: Facts and Figures_.  New York: German Library of Information, 1941.

_Germany Speaks_.  London: Butterworth, 1938.

Grimm, Friedrich.  _The Significance of this War_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_____.   _Versailles in Liquidation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Gritzbach, Erich.  _Hermann Goring: The Man and His Work_.  London: Hurst & 
   Blackett, 1939.

Heinz, Heinz A.  _Germany's Hitler_.  London: Hurst & Blackett, 1934.

Hitler, Adolf.  _Adolf Hitler From Speeches, 1933-1938_.  Berlin: Terramare
   Office, 1938.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by Ralph Manheim.  Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 
   1971.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by James Murphy.  London: Hurst & Blackett,
   1939.

Kaiser, Fritz.  "Entartete 'Kunst' Austellungsfuhrer" [Degenerate "Art" 
   Exhibition Guide], translated by David Britt, in _"Degenerate Art": The 
   Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_, pp. 356-390.  Edited by Stephanie 
   Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: Abrams, 
   1991. 

Lindbergh, Charles A.  "Aviation, Geography, and Race," in _Reader's Digest_,
   volume 35, #211 (November 1939), pp. 64-67.

_A Nation Builds: Contemporary German Architecture_.  New York: German Library
   of Information, 1940.

Reher, Werner.  _Social Welfare in Gemany_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Reitsch, Hanna.  _Flying is My Life_.  Translated by Lawrence Wilson.  New 
   York: Putnam, 1954.

Rittich, Werner.  _New German Architecture_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1941.

Rosenberg, Alfred.  _The Myth of the Twentieth Century: An Evaluation of the 
   Spiritual-Intellectual Confrontations of Our Time_.  Translated by Vivian 
   Bird.  Costa Mesa, CA: Noontide Press, 1993.

_____.  _Race and Race History, and Other Essays_.  Edited by Robert Pois.  New
   York: Harper & Row, 1971.

Rudel, Hans Ulrich.  _Stuka Pilot_.  Translated by Lynton Hudson.  New York:
   Ballantine, 1958.

Sadila-Mantau, Hans Heinz.  _German Political Profiles_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1938.

Schinnerer, Erich.  _German Law and Legislation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1938.

_Wenn Alle Bruder Schweigen: Grosse Bildband uber die Waffen SS_  ["When All 
   the Brothers are Silent": Great Photo Book of the Waffen-SS].  Osnabruck, 
   Germany: Munin, 1981.

Wilhelm, Theodor, and Gerhard Graefe.  _German Education Today_.  Second Edi-
   tion.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1937.


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National Socialist Motion Pictures on videocassette:


_Assorted Nazi Political Films_  (1932-1943).  Videorecording; Chicago:
   International Historic Films, 1985.

_Der ewige Jude_ [The Eternal Jew]  (Fritz Hippler, 1940).  Videorecording; 
   Chico, CA: Tamarelle, 1985.

_Hitlerjunge Quex_ [Hitler Youth Quex]  (Hans Steinhoff, 1933).  Videore-
   cording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1984.

_Jud Suss_ [The Jew Suess]  (Veit Harlan, 1940).  Videorecording; Chicago: 
   International Historic Films, 1984.

_Olympia_  [in two parts]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938).  Videorecording; Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1984.  Part 1: Fest der Volker [Fest-
   ival of the Nations]; Part 2: Fest der Schonheit [Festival of Beauty].

_Triumph des Willens: Das Dokument vom Reichsparteitag 1934_ [Triumph of the 
   Will: The Documentary of the 1934 Realm Party Congress]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 
   1935).   Videorecording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1985, or Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1986.


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Contemporary National Socialist Fiction:


Macdonald, Andrew (pseudonym).  _Hunter_.  Hillsboro, WV: National Vanguard 
   Books, 1989.

_____.  _The Turner Diaries_.  Second Edition.  Hillsboro, WV:  National Van-
   guard Books, 1988.


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Supplementary works --

*  While surveying the following works, please keep in mind that each con-  *
*  tains Establishment-mandated anti-National Socialist cliches and mis-    *
*  leading, misrepresented or patently false data.  In addition, a majority *
*  of the authors have varying degrees of anti-National Socialist biases,   *
*  most commonly a pro-Establishment political agenda.                      *

*  May the reader be enlightened by these works, while recognizing and      *
*  overcoming their subjectivity and error.                                 *


Adam, Peter.  _Art of the Third Reich_.  New York: Abrams, 1992.

Beyerchen, Alan D.  _Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics 
   Community in the Third Reich_.  New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1977.

Bramwell, Anna C.  _Blood and Soil: Walther Darre and Hitler's "Green Party"_.
   Abbotsbrook, Buckinghamshire, UK: Kensal Press, 1985.

_____.  _Ecology in the Twentieth Century: A History_.  New Haven, CT: Yale 
   University Press, 1989.

_____.  "Was This Man 'Father of the Greens?'," in _History Today_, volume 34 
   (September 1984), pp. 7-13.

Cocks, Geoffrey.  _Psychotherapy in the Third Reich: The Goring Institute_. 
   New York: Oxford University Press, 1985.

De Zayas, Alfred M., with Walter Rabus.  _The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 
   1939-1945_.  Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1989.  

_"Degenerate Art": The Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_.  Edited by 
   Stephanie Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: 
   Abrams, 1991.

Dominick, Raymond H., III.  "The Nazis and the Nature Conservationists," in
   _The Historian_, volume 49, #4 (August 1987), pp. 508-538.

Farquharson, J.E.  _The Plough and the Swastika: The NSDAP and Agriculture in
   Germany 1928-45_.  London: SAGE, 1976.

Field, Geoffrey G.  _Evangelist of Race: The Germanic Vision of Houston 
   Stewart Chamberlain_.  New York: Columbia University Press, 1981.

Garrity, John A.  "The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,"
   in _The American Historical Review_, volume 78, #4 (October 1973), pp. 
   907-944.

Geuter, Ulfried.  _The Professionalization of Psychology in Nazi Germany_. 
   Translated by Richard J. Holmes.  New York: Cambridge University Press,
   1992.

Greenwood, Harry Powys.  _The German Revolution_.  London: Routledge, 1934.

Grossman, S.  "C.G. Jung and National Socialism," in _Journal of European Stud-
   ies_, volume 9, #4 (1979), pp. 231-259.

Grunfeld, Frederic V.  _The Hitler File: A Social History of Germany and the 
   Nazis_.  New York: Random House, 1974.

Guillebaud, C.W.  _The Economic Recovery of Germany from 1933 to the Incorpor-
   ation of Austria in March 1938_.  London: Macmillan, 1939.

Herbert, Ulrich.  "Good Times, Bad Times," in _History Today_, volume 36
   (February 1986), pp. 42-48.

Herf, Jeffrey.  _Reactionary Modernism: Technology, Culture, and Politics in 
   Weimar and the Third Reich_.  New York: Cambridge University Press, 1984.

Hermand, Jost.  _Old Dreams of a New Reich: Volkish Utopias and National
   Socialism_.  Translated by Paul Levesque and Stefan Soldovieri.  Blooming-
   ton: Indiana University Press, 1992.

Herzstein, Robert E.  _The War That Hitler Won: The Most Infamous Propaganda
   Campaign in History_.  New York: Putnam, 1978.

Hinz, Berthold.  _Art in the Third Reich_.  Translated by Robert and Rita
   Kimber.  New York: Pantheon, 1979.

Hopfinger, K.B.  _The Volkswagen Story_.  Revised Third Edition.  Cambridge, 
   MA: Robert Bentley, 1971.

Hull, David S.  _Film in the Third Reich: A Study of the German Cinema,
   1933-1939_.  Berkeley: University of California Press, 1969.

Irving, David.  _Goring: A Biography_.  London: Macmillan, 1989.

_____.  _Hess: The Missing Years 1941-1945_.  London: Macmillan, 1987.

_____.  _Hitler's War_.  New York: Viking, 1977.  **

_____.  _The War Path: Hitler's Germany 1933-1939_.  New York: Viking, 1978.

Kamenetsky, Christa.  _Children's Literature in Hitler's Germany: The Cultural 
   Policy of National Socialism_.  Athens, OH: Ohio University Press, 1984.

Littlejohn, David.  _Foreign Legions of the Third Reich_ [in four volumes].
   San Jose, CA: Bender, 1979-1987.  Volume 1: Norway, Denmark, France; Volume
   2: Belgium, Great Britain, Holland, Italy, and Spain; Volume 3: Albania,
   Czechoslovakia, Greece, Hungary, and Yugoslavia; Volume 4: Poland, the 
   Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Free India, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland,
   and Russia.

_____.  _The Patriotic Traitors: The History of Collaboration in German-
   Occupied Europe, 1940-1945_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1972.

Mosse, George L.  _The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins of the 
   Third Reich_.  New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1964.

_____.  _The Nationalization of the Masses: Political Symbolism and Mass Move-
   ments in Germany from the Napoleonic Wars through the Third Reich_.  New
   York: Howard Fertig, 1975.

_Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and Social Life in the Third Reich_.
   Edited by George L. Mosse.  Translated by Salvator Attanasio, et.al.  New 
   York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1966.   

_Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation_.  Edited and translated by Barbara
   Miller Lane and Leila J. Rupp.  Austin: University of Texas Press, 1978.

Nelson, Walter Henry.  _Small Wonder: The Amazing Story of the Volkswagen_.
   Revised Edition.  Boston: Little, Brown, 1967.

Price, Billy F.  _Adolf Hitler: The Unknown Artist_.  Houston: B.F. Price, 
   1984.

Proctor, Robert.  _Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis_.  Cambridge, MA:
   Harvard University Press, 1988.

Rabinbach, Anson G.  "The Aesthetics of Production in the Third Reich," in
   _Journal of Contemporary History_, volume 11, #4 (1976), pp. 43-74.

Rhodes, Anthony.  _Propaganda: The Art of Persuasion, World War II_.  Edited 
   by Victor Margolin.  New York: Chelsea House, 1976.

Rockmore, Tom.  _On Heidegger's Nazism and Philosophy_.  Berkeley: University
   of California Press, 1992.

Rupp, Leila J.  _Mobilizing Women for War: German and American Propaganda,
   1939-1945_.  Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1978.

Schiff, Stephen.  "Leni's Olympia," in _Vanity Fair_, volume 55, #9 (September
   1992), pp. 252-261, 291-296.

Schoenbaum, David.  _Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi
   Germany 1933-1939_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1966.

_Scott 1994 Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue_.  Sidney, OH: Scott Publishing, 
   1993.  Volume 2, "Bohemia and Moravia," pp. 919-921.

_Ibid_.  "Croatia," pp. 802-806.

_Ibid_.  Volume 3, "Finland," pp. 205, 223, 226.

_Ibid_.  "France,"  pp. 237, 292-294.

_Ibid_.  "Germany," pp. 403-405, 435-439, 447-449.

_Ibid_.  "Hungary," pp. 643-644, 691-692.

_Ibid_.  "Italy," pp. 857-861, 894-901.

_Ibid_.  Volume 4, "Norway," pp. 635, 648-649. 

_Ibid_.  "Poland," pp. 854-856.

_Ibid_.  Volume 5, "Romania," pp. 8-10, 58-61, 70.

_Ibid_.  "Slovakia," pp. 366-369.

Sheehan, Thomas.  "A Normal Nazi," in _The New York Review of Books_, volume
   40, #s 1 and 2 (January 14, 1993), pp. 30-35.

Sluga, Hans.  _Heidegger's Crisis: Philosophy and Politics in Nazi Germany_.
   Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1993).

Stein, George H.  _The Waffen SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War 1939-1945_.
   Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1966.

Stephenson, Jill.  _Women in Nazi Society_.  New York: Barnes & Noble, 1975.

Stibbe, Matthew.  "Women and the Nazi State," in _History Today_, volume 43
   (November 1993), pp. 35-40.

Stieg, Margaret F.  "The Nazi Public Library and the Young Adult," in _Top of 
   the News_, volume 43, #1 (Fall 1986), pp. 45-57.  

_____.  _Public Libraries in Nazi Germany_.  Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama 
   Press, 1992.

Taylor, A.J.P.  _The Origins of the Second World War_.  New York: Atheneum,
   1962.

Toland, John.  _Adolf Hitler_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1976.

Weingartner, James J.  "The SS Race and Settlement Office: Towards an Orden 
   of Blood and Soil," in _Historian_, volume 34, #1 (November 1971), pp. 
   62-77.

Weir, L.H.  _Europe at Play: A Study of Recreation and Leisure-Time Activi-
   ties_.  New York: A.S. Barnes, 1937.

Whiteside, Andrew G.  _The Socialism of Fools: Georg Ritter von Schonerer and 
   Austrian Pan-Germanism_.  Berkeley: University of California Press, 1975.


** A new edition has been issued by Focal Point Publications of London, which
   includes both _Hitler's War_ and _The War Path_, revised in accordance with 
   new data and the author's dismissal of the Holocaust Myth.

Please note:  To facilitate library catalog searches, umlauts have purposely 
              not been anglicized.


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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!bzs Tue Oct 11 05:14:15 PDT 1994
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Kleim's hate (was: The meaning of revisionism)
In-Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU's message of 9 Oct 1994 18:13:33 GMT
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>Barry Shein responds to me:
>
>>>>We should care because the Jews are human beings... just as (alas) Milton
>>>>Kleim is.
>
>>>Why should I care if those not of my own kind are killed?
>
>>Because such ill-regard for human life is likely to also turn on you.
>
>Dresden proved who disregarded human life.  I didn't create this type of
>attitude.

Ok, have it your way.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From oneb!hakatac!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!bzs Tue Oct 11 05:14:16 PDT 1994
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: The meaning of revisionism
In-Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU's message of 9 Oct 1994 18:24:22 GMT
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>Barry Shein responds to me:
>
>>>The issue here is not who did it, but rather that the Jews rejoice in the
>>>deaths of innocents.
>
>>The Jews rejoice in their deliverance from slavery.
>
>So did the Germans on January 30, 1933.  But because Germany is a "goy" Nation,
>that's different.

The Nuremberg Laws and subsequent oppressive and racist acttivty of
the Nazi government were not "deliverance from slavery". Killing
millions of their own citizens was not "deliverance from slavery".

Get a clue.

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionist Scholarship Case Study
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Morrison writes:

>I find you an affront to everything that I hold to be good in humanity.  

I take that as a compliment, since you do not embrace much that is Good.

>It was not for my benefit, nor for the regulars here.  

Oh BS!  It was for your amusement.  Pretending you're something you're not.
Like an intellectual.

I have the courage and humility to admit I'm a "nobody."  I'm just a lone
fighter using the Net as a tool to promote something I believe in deeply.  
Since you are also a nobody, and a nobody without much potential for any
sort of greatness, you must linger here and attack someone like me.  You are 
not competent at handling the real world, which is why you have to pretend 
you're someone important in the artificial cyberspace world of USENET.

>It was to show anyone joining this group for the first time what a complete 
>waste of biomass you are.

It is alleged by all the liars on your side that EVERYTHING I post serves this
purpose.  It is implied that no one need comment on what I write for it to be
obvious I'm an "idiot" or a "psychopath" or a "liar" or a "fool" etc., etc.  

You have destroyed your allies' own theory!

Apparently the material I post isn't enough (could it be my posts are just a
teeny bit more effective than you lead on?), so you have to make a feeble at-
tempt to make me look stupid with an issue that has been dead for months and
an issue I admitted I was in error on.

>And trust me, in painting you as a fool and a liar, look in the mirror
>to see who wields the brush.

Don't you wish.

>And it was not an attempt.  Attempt implies that I had a possibility
>of failure.  

You made "possibility" reality.

>You disgust me.

HA HA HA HA HA!!



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions (Updated)
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Morrison writes:

>No.  The military salute, right hand brought to forehead with elbow bent and
>variations thereof (Canadian Forces, palm down, fingers to edge of eyebrow,
>RCMP palm facing outward, British armed forces, palm outward, etc) originated
>in the Royal Navy during the reign of Queen Elizabeth the First.  

So you say.  I'm willing to examine _evidence_, not your opinion, which demon-
strates the veracity of your belief.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions (Updated)
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Claudius The God (a person with a small ego) writes:

>

>a) I'm surprised you can read. People who spout such _amazing_ amounts
>of BS are typically of a rather inferior intelligence.

Is that the best insult you can offer?

>b) What the hell do you know about Germany, past or present, anyway?!
>Ask someone who is German. Like me, for example.

National Socialism is not a German thing anymore.  It's been an Aryan thing
for many decades.

And what do I care what you have to say about Germany, Germans, Hitler, or
anything else?

>c) What's all this bollocks about allowing people to choose what kind of
>a society they live in -- You obviously haven't noticed that the
>majority of humans choose _not_ to live in a Nazi society. 

You obviously refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of Germans loved
their Philosopher-King Adolf Hitler, and that his government was _the_ most
popular in modern times.

And I am not concerned with the "majority of humans" -- I am concerned with
the great Aryan Race.  And them alone.

>So what can you do about that, huh? Try to use force to achieve your mad 
>goals? 

We will do whatever is necessary to "secure the existence of our People and a
future for White children."

> Do you dare to write back (without swearing, if you can do that?!)

What's this supposed to mean?  I'll write back to whomever I wish whenever I
wish.

I responded without swearing.  Can you respond with some intelligent, substant-
ive remarks?

> Rosa Luxemburg lebt!!!

Volumes are revealed about your personality and philosophy.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: You people are a joke.
Date: 11 Oct 1994 00:44:04 GMT
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dinkelbache@ashley.cofc.edu writes:

>Hey,  Is it just me, or are racist skins just about the dumbest 
>motherfuckers ever to curse this pathetic ball of dirt we call Earth.

It's just you.

>One day in the far away (and hopefully more enlightend) future, 
>archeologists will dig up some of your bullshit Oi rhetoric and laugh so 
>hard that their intestines come out through their noses.  I doubt anyone 
>would even believe it.  It will probably be stuck on page 23 of the 
>future's equivalent of The Weekly World News, right next to the latest 
>Elvis sighting.

No Aryans=no archaeologists.

>White power?  Shit, what kind of power is that?  

The power to "secure the existence of our People and a future for White
children."

>The power to gang up on any minority unlucky enough to wander through your 
>part of town at night?

No, that's what happens to dumb Whites who wander into the Negro and Mestizo
sections.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Kleim Myth Again (was: Re: ANA News Update)
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John Baglow addresses me:

>You've been caught in more lies than a dog has fleas; 

Repeat a lie often enough, and it's believability increases.

Spew out endless claims that I am a liar, and my opponents figure I will _be_
a liar.  Nice try, but it won't work boys.

>you have yet to meet a single argument or piece of documentary evidence head-
>on; 

Indeed.  I have yet to be _presented_ with a single valid argument or "piece of
documentary evidence" to meet head on.

Lies, distortions, and transcripts of "copies of photocopies of microform 
copies" are not documentary evidence.

>you leave the newsgroup for weeks at a time when you've been caught out, ap-
>parently thinking we all have short memories; 

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

As though I fail to reply to the likes of you because I am embarrassed by some-
thing one of your kind posts!!

I have no duty to you or your fellow liars; I post as I wish, and read at
my convenience.  Often I don't have time to waste on your side's bullshit.

>and then you talk about people's credibility! 

What do Keren and McVay try to foist off as evidence?  The same old "trans-
cripts" and their ceaseless claims that _we_ are lying.

When your side has to dig up a few of my or my comrades mistakes and harp
on them until icicles in Hell, who's credibility is damaged?  I'm genuine;
I'm honest; I'm real.  The reality that McVay and Keren are fakes -- propagan-
dists -- comes clear to anyone who reads _both_ sides.

>Coward. 

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

You must feel really courageous to be part of the gang that attacks me with a 
ratio of about 25 to 1.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: My Reply
Date: 11 Oct 1994 16:57:51 GMT
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Barry Shein writes:

>Well, that's nice. But since you seem to believe that freedom and
>justice are merely a nuisance we're here to inform you that you are
>wrong and you may not think this way any longer. In kind.

When my Race has freedom and justice, then we can worry about other groups.

Israel screams about "terrorism," in the same manner you scream about "Skinhead
violence" or my failure to concern myself with your Nation (Jewry).  Perhaps
when your brethren atone for what the've done to the Palestianians, the "terror-
ism" (quest for freedom) will end. 

When you concern yourself with justice for the Aryan Race, I'll be happy to
concern myself with justice for your kind.

>Perhaps if you ever express an interest in individual freedoms and
>justice we can take your own requirements for the same more seriously.

When Jewry makes a sincere attempt to extend justice to the Goyim, including
my Race, I'll be happy to do so.

>But so long as you consider it all a one-way street, only your
>freedoms and your justice are important and screw everyone else, then
>we're forced to treat you as you apparently wish people to be treated,
>at least rhetorically.

The "one-way street" isn't "Aryan Avenue"; it's "Cohen's Court."

Treat me as you wish to be treated, and I'll be fair and just to you.

>You think somehow that the world is here to serve you, and that your
>rights and needs (vaguely couched by you in the plural as a basically
>infantile mind attempts to reconcile with the adult trying to get
>through, ok maybe it's not just me maybe it's, um, me and a very few
>others, is that better? no.) are more important than others. 

The Jews are the premiere people to think the world -- the Goyim -- exists
to serve them.

Who but they are the most self-centered ethnic group in the world?

Again, one standard for the Jew, another for the Goy -- and God help the
Goy if he dares to counter the Jewish fire with Goyish fire.

>No doubt you will learn this some day, probably the hard way. I doubt anyone 
>here can make you sane, however. 

Don't try to lecture me about life, Shein.

And often what is "sane" for the Jew is insane for the Aryan.  The love of
Aryan extinction that is peddled by the Jewsmedia is quite insane for the
Aryan but very sane for the Jew.

>You are simply going to have to lose big and then perhaps some sense will come
>into your head. 

My generation has already lost big.  I have been forced to extremism.  Don't
lecture me on that which you know not about.

>But don't argue with me, it's futile, you are really just arguing with
>yourself. 

I don't argue with you.  Any reply of mine is not for your benefit.

>I think our friend Hermann desparately needs life to bite him on the ass, and 
>hard.

We shall see who gets bitten on the ass.  I've been bitten hard and often, and
I've learned many lessons.

>Psst, hey bud, you represent no one but your own lunatic ravings.

And why do you have to respond to those "lunatic ravings?"  Perhaps it's
to prove to yourself that _you_ are sane...or claim to be.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
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Subject: Re: ANA News Update
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Daniel Mittleman writes:

>    According to the AP story I read yesterday, the charges were dropped
>    for insufficient evidence.

As expected.

Want to lecture me more about justice, Shein?



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>You've been caught in more lies than a dog has fleas; 
>
>Repeat a lie often enough, and it's believability increases.

The same can be said for the truth.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Subject: Re: ANA News Update
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>    According to the AP story I read yesterday, the charges were dropped
>>    for insufficient evidence.
>
>As expected.
>
>Want to lecture me more about justice, Shein?

Maybe the guy didn't do it?

No doubt someone did it.

But maybe they grabbed the wrong guy?

It's happened before.

Besides, you've built your entire world-view denying that justice is
of any importance (except where it happens to suit your own personal
needs.) What do you care, really?

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
>>Well, that's nice. But since you seem to believe that freedom and
>>justice are merely a nuisance we're here to inform you that you are
>>wrong and you may not think this way any longer. In kind.
>
>When my Race has freedom and justice, then we can worry about other groups.

If that's the case then your "race" will never have freedom and
justice, so that's settled.

Freedom and justice aren't "things" like sneakers or music cd's you
just acquire. It's not something you can get but the other guy has to
wait his turn. It's a quality, it either exists or it doesn't.

I realize that's way too subtle for a troglodyte like yourself, but
hey give it a try.

>Israel screams about "terrorism," in the same manner you scream about "Skinhead
>violence" or my failure to concern myself with your Nation (Jewry).  Perhaps
>when your brethren atone for what the've done to the Palestianians, the "terror-
>ism" (quest for freedom) will end. 

Well, independent of the fact that I don't particularly identify with
who you would like to identify me with (but I realize that
thick-necked criminal nazi bastards such as yourself like to do their
own stereotyping of others so I'll let that one by without comment)
since when do you Nazis give a hoot about Palestinians and other, as
you call them, "mud people"?

This is almost comical. You'd think if there was one thing Kleim would
respect in Israelis it would be his belief that they kick some butt on
their own behalf and at the expense of people he no doubt considers
quite far down on his racial purity scale. Then again I realize you
nazis have always had a special place in your heart for Jews.

>When you concern yourself with justice for the Aryan Race, I'll be happy to
>concern myself with justice for your kind.

Palestinians are Aryans?

Well, hey, just keep waiting Hermann, who cares really.

>>Perhaps if you ever express an interest in individual freedoms and
>>justice we can take your own requirements for the same more seriously.
>
>When Jewry makes a sincere attempt to extend justice to the Goyim, including
>my Race, I'll be happy to do so.

I guess they're just too busy following your own desires and
controlling the world. It's a tough job but someone has to mastermind
the entire world's governments, media, banking and economic systems
etc. It's only watching out for one's own. You should understand that.
And, um, kneel before your superiors, ok?

>The Jews are the premiere people to think the world -- the Goyim -- exists
>to serve them.

It's a burden of being racially superior to you. It's really for the
best, darwinian you know, dominance of the fittest.

>Don't try to lecture me about life, Shein.

Only a fool would try.

-- 
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Keith Morrison writes:

>You have nothing upon which to judge my competance in the real world.

Nor do you me.  Of course you'll try to paint me as a fool or liar from what I
post, and point out every little mistake of mine, but what do I care?  I'm
not perfect.  The important thing I have your side does not is authenticity.  
As I said before, I am genuine.  I am genuine, and it comes through clear to 
any who reads my posts without a predetermined bias that I am loony.  I am 
genuine regardless of the defamation I receive.

I speak with honesty; your side speaks mostly out of self-graification.

>But, in order to demonstrate your obvious superiority over me, which,
>you will agree, is implied by that statement, since you are competant in
>the real world, please, Oh lord high Milton, tell us what sort of life
>_you_ have outside the Net.  Now, I'm a humble undergrad geologist, have
>been a volunteer firefighter and officer-cadet in the Canadian Forces,
>member of Scouts Canada, have had four girlfriends since 1989 and am
>recently single again.  I play soccer, softball and curling regularily,
>was a player/manager on my high-school soccer team, DJ'd dances and
>did some tech work at concerts.  I officiate softball and coached kids
>and a women's team.  I worked at UNB's college radio station for a year and
>am currently a member of a Safe-Walk program.

I need not prove anything to you by generating a tale of a "noble" life outside 
of the Net.

I could make up a fantasy tale that I am president of my school, aide to my
State Senator in the summer, and the like, but I won't.  I'm just me, and
I'm happy with that.  Whoever isn't happy with that can shove it.  

My friends, co-workers, and family's opinion are what matters, and they love
me regardless of the vilification piled upon those adherents of the most
lied-about philosophy in the history of the world.

>As far as I can determine, I have no trouble functioning in the real world.
>People have not come up to me and said, "Gee, Keith, you're pretty incompetant
>out here.  Why don't you go play on the computers?"

Nor do I have trouble functioning in the real world.  I am comfortable working
in just about any situation or with anyone, including non-Aryans.  I don't
run from non-Aryans; I look to the future when everyone would be happier 
living separately. 

Many people value my input into their lives, and many times friends or even
strangers (who often become friends) come to me for help, which I gladly
provide.

Before October 1993, I was as computer illiterate as the average American.  
Once I discovered the Internet's potential as a tool for making a small dent in
the Megalith of Lies with the Sword of Truth, I made myself computer literate
(at least concerning the Net).

>Well, I guess they were all wrong, weren't they?

I don't care what they have to say.  Nor would you honestly care what my
friends and colleagues have to say about Milton Kleim.

You dished the "incompetence" shit out first, but I have the honor to retract
my counterinsult of you.  You are obviously quite competent here and probably 
in the "real world" as well.

>Or do you play revisionist because it's the only way people ever notice
>you?  A small person (in the psychological sense) that noone could ever
>take seriously until you invented a big bad Aryan persona?  Does not even
>really exist outside the Net?

If I were a kook on a mega ego-trip of some sort, there are _alot_ safer
and equally attention-getting matters I could concern myself with. 

Truth matters to me.  The perpetual survival of my own kind matters to me.
My family has a tradition of being resisters to evil, here and in the so-called
Soviet Union.  I carry on that tradition.

Only Keith Morrison and those things in the world which serve your selfish
desires matter to you.

>Like I said, Miltie, you and your kind really annoy me.  

If this is the main reason you challenge me on the Net, you really are an
egotistical bastard.

I suspect there's something more behind your motives, even if it's the _rela-
tively_ noble sense of defending your colored friends (at least a few you
undoubtedly have).

>And when I finished humiliating you I'd probably go out with my friends and  
>have a beer.  Surrounded by people who think that I'm competant to survive
>in the real world.

I am "entertained" more by doing noble acts, than by alcohol.

>And, Miltie, tonight, while you're having your wet dreams about marching
>around with a goose step and outthrust right arm wearing a black uniform
>with a Death's Head on the cap and I'm probably watching TV with me friends,
>laughing and talking, tell me who would an independent panel of our peers
>would say needed to get a life, hmmm?

You do make me laugh.  I guess you're not _completely_ bad after all, Keith.




"If Freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with will-power."

"Faith moves mountains, Faith frees Nations, and Faith can strengthen and raise
 Nations..."

"It is Life alone all things must serve."


                                           -- The Philosopher-King



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionist Scholarship Case Study
Date: 15 Oct 1994 15:41:10 GMT
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Gordon McFee responds to me:

>>I am genuine, and it comes through clear to any who reads my posts without a 
>>predetermined bias that I am loony.  

>You are correct Hermann.  It indeed comes through clear to anyone who
>reads your posts, with or without a predetermined bias, that you are quite
>loony.  There was no need for you to confirm what we already knew, but
>thanks anyway.

Well, I'm glad everybody got a laugh out of this.

"I am genuine, and it comes through clear to any who reads my posts without a
prdetermined bias that I am not loony."

Of course the liars will cite forever the first version of the statement.  But
though they do, it is my comrades and I who will have the last laugh.



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Article: 9671 of alt.skinheads
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions (Updated)
Date: 16 Oct 1994 23:19:41 GMT
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Claudius The Ass responds to me:

> Look - I hope I don't sound arrogant with that "Claudius The God"
>thingie. Actually it's a novel by Robert Graves and I liked it a lot.

Well, you do sound arrogant.  It probably indicates an inferiority complex of
some sort.

> Listen, man. 

YOU listen, asshole.

>Your response to what I had written now confirms my suspicion that you Nazis 
>might well be violent and aggressive, and terrifying too; but you don't have 
>too much, erm, intellectual substance shall we say.

_PLEASE_ don't start with that "ignorance" and "stupidity" shit again. 

>I doubt you would stand half a chance if you tried to discuss your views with 
>a "liberal" person, starting from very basic principles. 

Indeed!  I have never won a debate with a "liberal," for liberals KNOW they
are right, and won't even _feign_ an assumption that they might be wrong.  

Liberals' cowardly conceit that their system and beliefs are good, and others
are bad, will be their downfall.

>If you really want to we can talk it all out in this newsgroup... but that 
>might be quite tedious! 

You will not change your mind, regardless of what I point out or demonstrate.

>I didn't mean to merely _insult_ you dear Milton...

You didn't succeed in insulting me.  Shitheads cannot insult me.

>...but I wanted to point out that there are no members of MENSA who are 
>Nazis...

And how might you know this to be true?

>...see what I'm trying to get at?? 

Certainly.  And I also realize how full of shit you are.

>The fascist/Nazi ideology has always been one appealing to the masses - it is 
>based on basic urges and fears (violent ones), not exactly on trying to love 
>and respect others...

The standard bullshit.

Never mind that National Socialism attracts people from EVERY walk of life.
Shall I point out how many earned doctorates were in Hitler's government
(since you are apparently impressed by pieces of paper and titles)?

"...the inner truth and greatness of National Socialism..."  (Martin Heidegger)

Since he wasn't a member of MENSA, you'd suggest we should discount him?

> See point b). I'm not exactly an expert historian, but like most people
>I know (you DON'T, sunshine) that the reason Hitler's government was so 
>effective was because it ruthlessly exploited the sentiments in post-war
>Germany. 

Oh, bullshit.  Can't you invent something creative, rather than parrot the
standard crap?

Hitler's government was popular because it delivered what the German People
wanted, and because they learned they could trust him.

>I doubt it was the most popular in modern times though. 

Name another government that succeeded in securing four referenda votes of
89.9% and above.

> I do not think old Plato would have considered Hitler a Philosopher-King for 
>one second. 

So what you think.

Were Plato alive during the Third Reich, while he undoubtedly would have found
some faults with Adolf Hitler, the Great Aryan Philosopher surely would have
found Hitler to be the best leader alive and probably deserving of the term 
"Philosopher-King."  _Mein Kampf_ contains more wisdom than all of the Estab-
lishment social and political commentaries of the 20th Century combined.

>For the philosopher-king is one who knows all, who has reached the peak of the
>mountain which consists of the many-headed beast, the soldier and finally, the
>philosopher. 

One who honestly investigates the Great Man Hitler will find that he was very
wise, and even on a higher spiritual level than most of the so-called
"religious" leaders of today.

Hitler's wisdom, unlike the nonsense dished out by spiritual seers of today,
had substance and was (and is) solidly applicable to the common person's daily 
life.

>Plato expected a philosopher-king to be a philosopher in the sense that he was
>trained and educated as one, and not just a de facto philosopher (which
>is what you were calling Hitler). 

A degree makes a philosopher not.  Plato would harshly condemn the "Ivory 
Towers of Ignorance" that are today called "universities," and would find
no more truly wise professors than he could count on his fingers.

>If you really want to wrap yourself up in philosophy you don't understand, 
>then you should look at some Nietzsche I think. 

Speak for yourself, asshole.

Why don't you demonstrate those principles Plato laid down that are incompati-
ble with National Socialism?  Quote his works, since you claim to understand
him so well.

National Socialist Germany is the only modern State to have attempted to apply
Platonic ideals from the _Republic_ to its society.

>I think the Germans have not exactly been world leaders in the past two mil-
>lenia when it comes to culture and civilization... How about the ancient
>Greeks and Romans (oooh dark and shifty weren't they?!) or the Indians
>(bloody wogs) or even the Chinese (slit-eyes!)

You're more ignorant than I thought!!

Germans are Aryans but Aryans are not necessarily Germans; kind of a difficult
concept for you??

The fact of the matter is that the ancient Greeks and Romans have little in
common biologically with most of the inhabitants of the successor countries 
today.  Of course the Hellenes and Romans possessed about the same physiog-
nomies as the British today (the Nordic element, that is).

And what's the crap about Indians and Chinamen?  Never mind that "Indian"
philosophy is based on Aryan religious thought.  Or that the facts are now
coming out about the Aryan origins of "Chinese" higher culture.

> Aha! So you do not deny that you'd use force on people (even if they ARE
>Aryans) to make them follow your own system. 

We will do whatever is necessary to "secure the existence of our People and a
future for White children."

> At least there _are_ several volumes to my personality and philosophy -
>Certain people's personality and philosophy would fit on the
>back of a match box...  ;-)  :-)

Don't you know?  They've just perfected a new microform that will encompass
the volumes on me, since hardcopy would fill a room.  :-)

Have a nice day, Claudius.



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Article: 9672 of alt.skinheads
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: National Socialism Frequently Asked Questions (Updated)
Date: 17 Oct 1994 02:56:45 GMT
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Eric Blace writes:

>I guess not Hermann, its only found in your alleged mind.  Fuck off back
>to alt.revisionist or what ever cesspool you came from.

Fuck you.

>From what cesspool did you generate out of?

>Some water is cold, some water is deep, this water is cold and deep.

It's probably all that's in your head as well.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: YGGDRASILL'S Tenth Weekly Lesson
Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:02:09 GMT
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Julian Daniel Beard writes:

[about Yggdrasill]

>	I wonder what this guy is so afraid of that he has to post 
>anonymously.  At least Miltie has the balls to post his shit under his 
>real name.

Yggdrasill is rightly afraid of terrorism.  Both psychological and physical.

I respect his right to self-defense through anonymity.  Not he, but the yellow
mother fuckers who'd assault him one way or another, are the real cowards.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Laughing at Miltie...
Date: 18 Oct 1994 03:12:47 GMT
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Ken Mcvay writes:

>Milton Kleim says: "Well, I'm glad everybody got a laugh out of this."

>Speaking of laughs, Milton, I'm still waiting for your pledge for
>the Himmler voiceprint analysis - can we put you down for $100?

My pledge is conditional upon the validity of your claim that the speech is
indeed by Himmler, and that he speaks of killing Jewish women and children.
You prove you're right, and I'll help pay.

The pledge amount is $20 (I'm cheap).  More costly would be my concession that 
you were right.



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Article: 9769 of alt.skinheads
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Holocaust will NOT be forgotten.
Date: 18 Oct 1994 03:19:57 GMT
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DRACULA13X writes:

>Hey if the Holocaust did'nt happen...then how come a company in ILLonois
>known as "WW II Ltd" is actually selling the bars of soap made from human
>beings?(Pretty Morbid I think! ) 

Oh my God!  You've got to be kidding!?!?

Anyone know the Illinois Attorney General's phone number?  A certain outfit
needs to be investigated for fraud.

These bars of "human soap" are no more genuine than the pieces of the "true
cross" various Catholic outfits sell.



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Article: 17785 of alt.revisionism
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ken McVay: The Man and the Myth
Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:12:15 GMT
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Relayed to me by a friend:

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CHURCH AIDS INTERNET NAZI-FIGHTER
By Gordon Clark
Staff Reporter
 
The United Church of Canada has come to the aid of Vancouver
Island Nazi-fighter Ken McVay.
 
And the church hopes others who support McVay's battles against
those who spread propaganda through the internet computer system
will send money so he can replace his aging computer gear.
 
"Certainly the whole business of resisting racism and countering
the sort of thing represented by McVay's work is within our
mandate," Brian Thrope, executive secretary of the church's B.C.
conference said yesterday.
 
Support for McVay will be funnelled through the anti-racism
organization Committee for Racial Justice, and the United Church
will issue tax receipts, Thorpe said.
 
McVay, 54, was appalled several years ago to discover neo-Nazis
were using the internet to spread hatred against Jews.  He
launched a project to provide accurate information on the
Holocaust and created an archive of documents other computer
users can access.
 
But McVay, who has a $1,000-a-month job at a convenience store,
can't afford to carry on alone.
 
"I must say I'm delighted," McVay said after hearing of the
church's plans.
 
-- _The Province_ [Vancouver] (Oct. 12, 1994), p. A7.

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BATTLE ON THE INTERNET
 
His home is in a small coastal town north of Victoria, his weapon
a rickety self-built personal computer, and his only support a
meagre income from his job as assistant manager of a gas station.
But on the ethereal ground of the Internet, 54-year-old Kenneth
McVay is a warrior with global reach.  His cause: fighting the
neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites who have discovered the power
of the worldwide computer network.  Groups and individuals who
dispute that the Nazis systematically exterminated an estimated
six million people, most of them Jews, have made increasing use
of the Internet to proselytize their beliefs and recruit new
adherents.  Their contributions, often anonymous, to such
Internet discussion groups as _alt.revisionism_ and
_alt.skinheads_ are frequently vitriolic.  "The Holocaust is a
big lie," asserted one recent writer.  "I wish there had been a
Holocaust and that we could have another one."  McVay spends
hours each day monitoring the Internet discussions for such
assertions and countering them with detailed references to a
personal collection of more than 1,000 computerized documents,
including survivors' testimony and evidence from the 1946
Nuremberg war-crimes trials.  "I provide them with the facts,
with the citations," says McVay.  "The project never ends.  We
get one or two new Nazis every week."  McVay has received help,
in the form of research and additional documents, from supporters
who include Eli Rosenbaum, chief war-crimes prosecutor for the
U.S. justice department.  But money remains tight, and his aging
equipment is consistently on the verge of collapse.  "The whole
system is in jeopardy--everything is at risk on a minute-to-
minute basis," he says.  Last week, however, a group of
Vancouver-based admirers persuaded a local charity, the Committee
for Racial Justice, to raise money for McVay's Fascism and
Holocaust Archives--and his one-man crusade may now become a
full-time job.
 
-- _Maclean's_ Magazine (Oct. 17, 1994), p. 6.



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Article: 26540 of alt.censorship
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Censorship of the Net?
Date: 21 Oct 1994 15:43:05 GMT
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Transcribed and relayed to me by a friend:
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CENSORSHIP IN CYBERSPACE by Mitt Jones
 
Freedom of expression for one person is a violation of the First
Amendment for another.  The age-old censorship debate - what
material should be banned and what will be the cost of liberty -
has now spread to the information superhighway, the once
freewheeling, no-holds-barred place also known as cyberspace.
 
Online services such as Prodigy, which have long enforced its
own standards, are now tightening the censorship reigns even
more.  For example, supervisors recently expanded the use of its
"George Carlin" software, which weeds out dozens of objectionable
words.
 
Things are heating up even more on the Internet.  Recently, the
Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Los Angeles institute devoted to
exposing anti-Semitism, submitted a summary of a massive dossier
of cyberspace hatemongering to the FCC.  The three-year investigation,
sparked by tips from users, portrays the Internet as an unchecked
haven for bigots.  One file, called Homobash, describes shooting a
gay person in the face with a gun; a graphic titled Monkey pictures
African-Americans copulating with animals and suggests that such acts
account for the rise of AIDS.  Says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate
dean of the Wiesenthal Center: "It may be time for the FCC to place a
cop on the information superhighway."
 
But because networks are so new, no one knows who's to play Big
Brother.  The FCC, which regulates radio and TV, has no jurisdiction
over computers.  So the dossier summery has been turned over to the
Justice Department, which seemingly doesn't know exactly what to do
about online hatemongering either.  The problem is twofold: There's
no mechanism to regulate online services and no legal precedent has
yet been set for cyberspace, the way it has for publishing,
broadcasting, and speech.
 
The issue with the Internet is whether it should be treated as a
broadcast system (subject to government regulation) or as a phone
or mail system that simply passes along information.  "It's
complicated even more because Internet comprises private e-mail
and public databases and bulletin boards," adds Internet founder
Vinton G. Cerf.
 
Then there's the issue of whether online providers and the thousands
of entities connected to the Internet are defined as commercial or
private.  If they are seen as private carriers, many will have a hard
time defending the enforcement of their standards and will be held
legally responsible for the content of discussion groups and forums.
The issue is muddled further by the numerous types of services
available, including e-mail.
 
Cerf, also the president of the Internet Society, says that his
organization has drafted guidelines of suggested behavior for its
users and providers, but critics argue that this will do little to
curb hatemongering and sexually explicit materials.  For the time
being, however, no mechanism exists to restrict the free flow of
information on the Internet, and at press time, the Justice Department
has yet to announce any other form of regulation.
 
- - HOME-OFFICE COMPUTING, November 1994, p.18.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Censorship of the Net?
Date: 21 Oct 1994 15:50:44 GMT
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Transcribed and relayed to me by a friend:
------------------------------------------

CENSORSHIP IN CYBERSPACE by Mitt Jones
 
Freedom of expression for one person is a violation of the First
Amendment for another.  The age-old censorship debate - what
material should be banned and what will be the cost of liberty -
has now spread to the information superhighway, the once
freewheeling, no-holds-barred place also known as cyberspace.
 
Online services such as Prodigy, which have long enforced its
own standards, are now tightening the censorship reigns even
more.  For example, supervisors recently expanded the use of its
"George Carlin" software, which weeds out dozens of objectionable
words.
 
Things are heating up even more on the Internet.  Recently, the
Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Los Angeles institute devoted to
exposing anti-Semitism, submitted a summary of a massive dossier
of cyberspace hatemongering to the FCC.  The three-year investigation,
sparked by tips from users, portrays the Internet as an unchecked
haven for bigots.  One file, called Homobash, describes shooting a
gay person in the face with a gun; a graphic titled Monkey pictures
African-Americans copulating with animals and suggests that such acts
account for the rise of AIDS.  Says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate
dean of the Wiesenthal Center: "It may be time for the FCC to place a
cop on the information superhighway."
 
But because networks are so new, no one knows who's to play Big
Brother.  The FCC, which regulates radio and TV, has no jurisdiction
over computers.  So the dossier summery has been turned over to the
Justice Department, which seemingly doesn't know exactly what to do
about online hatemongering either.  The problem is twofold: There's
no mechanism to regulate online services and no legal precedent has
yet been set for cyberspace, the way it has for publishing,
broadcasting, and speech.
 
The issue with the Internet is whether it should be treated as a
broadcast system (subject to government regulation) or as a phone
or mail system that simply passes along information.  "It's
complicated even more because Internet comprises private e-mail
and public databases and bulletin boards," adds Internet founder
Vinton G. Cerf.
 
Then there's the issue of whether online providers and the thousands
of entities connected to the Internet are defined as commercial or
private.  If they are seen as private carriers, many will have a hard
time defending the enforcement of their standards and will be held
legally responsible for the content of discussion groups and forums.
The issue is muddled further by the numerous types of services
available, including e-mail.
 
Cerf, also the president of the Internet Society, says that his
organization has drafted guidelines of suggested behavior for its
users and providers, but critics argue that this will do little to
curb hatemongering and sexually explicit materials.  For the time
being, however, no mechanism exists to restrict the free flow of
information on the Internet, and at press time, the Justice Department
has yet to announce any other form of regulation.
 
- - HOME-OFFICE COMPUTING, November 1994, p.18.

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Laughing at Miltie...
Date: 26 Oct 1994 02:05:55 GMT
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Ken Mcvay addresses me:

>I'll accept your pledge, in any amount, without the condition. If
>you can live with that, then you are the first "revisionist" to
>accept the challenge, and I acknowledge and appreciate that. 

OK, deal.  I pledge $20 to the endeavor, payable upon confirmation that the
analysis of the _original_ recording is ready to take place.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Persecution of SS members.
Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:16:03 GMT
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Peter R Cook writes:

>	Did SS troops that were not serving at concentration camps
>	deserve to be tried as criminals when they were merely
>	part of the regular armed forces?

They lost the war didn't they?  

We all know that losing a war is a crime, in the "Allied" scheme of things.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Racial Bill of Rights - BOOK REVIEW
Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:33:39 GMT
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Zack T. Smith responds to Rick Savage:

>>     If individuals are protected by a Bill of Rights, why not races?  

>Because base tribalism (here 'racism') is lowly and uncivilized.

Unless of course one is a member of the self-appointed "Chosen People."  Then
tribalism is the epitome of "morality."

>> "All races have the right to have their existence and identity recognized, 
>> respected and protected..."

>Sure, so long as they respect other groups and individuals. But the
>nature of tribalism or racism is that other groups and individuals
>simply will not be respected.

The State of Israel has the right to exist so long as it respects the right of
the indigenous Palestinians to exist.  It has not, so it does not have a right
to exist -- _by your argument_.

>>     McCulloch's charter is a racial Magna Carta that will be anathema to 
>> anti-racists, whom he calls racial nihilists.

>That term has a negative ring to it, but if you think about it,
>it's a great compliment. It takes maturity to accept the potential
>value of other individuals, and maturity is a thing that no racist
>possesses. Racial nihilism is simply the rejection of a very lowly,
>base way of life, namely the individual's dependency on his group
>as a source of his identity and purpose.

Racial nihilism is the product of the conceited, egotistical (read: infantile)
rejection of the Holy Laws of Nature.  Racial nihilists are those individuals
who declare God is wrong, and they are right.

>>poosition is that racial protectionism will do much more to bring 
>>peace to the world than racial integration.  

>Democracy will bring peace. Tribalism will bring conflict. That is
>the inherent nature of each. Anyone who says otherwise is playing
>cheap little cowardly games.

Democracy (what you're referring to) has brought the world countless wars and 
millions of deaths.  Racism is no more conducive to fostering war than 
"democracy."  

>>We've all seen what integration has done to the social order.

>Yes! It has helped lower the self-esteem of right-wingers everywhere.
>And it has given them an excuse to wrongly accuse others ever of creating 
>their own problems in life.

Whites aren't the only victims of "integration."

Integration has made the African-American suffer like segregation could never
have.  Forced integration (read: totalitarian social engineering, or what those
who advocate integration condemn National Socialist Germany for implementing)
is THE major cause of what the Black man and woman must endure today, not 
"racism," unless one means that sort of liberal racism which rejects the God-
given racial identity that the Black man was born with.  

>> Another is his tracing what he calls "racial nihilism"  to gnosticism, which 
>> he defines as "claiming that the only true reality is non-material or 
>> spiritual."  

>How utterly irrational. Think about it. Most true egalitarians are
>*secular* by choice. Not religious idiots like the gnostics.

Religion is not necesarily supernatural.  Modern secular "liberal humanism"
is as much a genuine religion (a set of beliefs and values and way of perceiving
the world) as any other "recognized" religion.  

Modern "liberal humanism" is indeed a "gnostic" religion, as it declares its 
values as wholly correct, and those contradictory to it as in error or evil.

>Boycott Coors -- They support the extreme far-right in America.

Boycott the Fortune 500 companies.  They support Communism around the world.



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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: FS BOOKS 10/25
Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:36:24 GMT
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JR Parish writes:

>I have the following books for sale. Prices do not include shipping. 
>Leave e-mail if you are interested.

>THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH by William L. Shirer. $7.00
>GERMANY AND THE EAST-WEST CRISIS by William Schlamm $3.00
>THE IRON CROSS by Clare Barroll $3.00
>THE COLLAPSE OF THE THIRD REPUBLIC by William L. Shirer $8.00
>HISTORY OF THE GERMAN STAFF by Walter goerlitz. $3.00

All are worthless.  Not interested.

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Milton John Kleim, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: What's happened with the Metzgers?
Date: 29 Oct 1994 15:50:39 GMT
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Peter R Cook writes:

>	aNYone know what's going on with John Metzger and his father?

They're still going, running their little operation in Fallbrook.  Alot of
people don't trust them anymore.



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Newsgroups: alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: URGENT SURVEY
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Guest For Printing writes:

>ANY COMMENTS ON EITHER OR BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING?:

>- PEACE

Desireable, but usually unattainable.

>- VIOLENCE

Sometimes necessary.  Always necesary when a common thug or organized crime
attacks you.

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