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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Barry Shein spews:

>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.

What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

The mask is removed.

-- HERMANN




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Subject: ATTENTION PATRIOTIC AFRIKANERS
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 1 May 94 13:43:19 -0500
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Due to the ongoing crisis and the impending installation of the convicted
Communist terrorist Nelson Mandela as dictator of what was once the proud
Republic of South Africa, we wish to remind you that there are many in North
America and Europe who are saddened by the destruction of your once great
land, a desolate frontier built with the sweat, blood, and brains of your
Boer ancestors.

We offer our assistance during this tribulation of the Afrikaner nation.  We
cannot offer much, but we can provide intelligence reports, or we can put you
in touch with someone who can handle your inquiry or request.  This is the
least we can do to help as suited savages in Pretoria, Washington, and New
York coax naked savages to destroy you, your families, and your home.

Feel free to contact us in confidence with any question or request.  You need
not be AWB-affiliated, but we will not help traitors who now cower in the face
of what they have helped to sow.

Long Live the Afrikaner Nation!

-- HERMANN, representing the AIS




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Barry Shein spews:

>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.

What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

The mask is removed.

-- HERMANN




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Barry Shein spews:

>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.

What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

The mask is removed.

-- HERMANN




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Subject: Re: Jewish roots
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Richard Schultz comments on my response to Harry Katz --
>In this case (surprise!) Katz is right and Kleim is wrong.  *Every* Talmud
>edition since the Basel edition (1578-1580) has been censored either by
>Christians due to self-censorship by Jewish printers.  Even the passage to
>which Kleim refers (from tractate Gittin) -- incorrectly, as usual, by the
>way -- has been censored, as the original text (Jesus) as found in the
>Munich MS has been replaced by "the sinners of Israel" in current printed
>editions.  In any case, it was Balaam who was described as being punished
>in boiling semen; Jesus was punished in boiling excrement, which makes more
>sense anyway.  Many of the other references to non-Jews have been so garbled
>due to censorship that it is often unclear whether they were referring to
>Christians or not.  Especially given that the Babylonian rabbis would have
>had little contact with Christians anyway.

As I said, whoever wants to find out who is lying should obtain --

   _The Plot Against Christianity_, by Elizabeth Dilling  [reissued by the
      Noontide Press as _The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today_}

The facts are plain to see.




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In article <1994May2.212201.10306@msus1.msus.edu>,
  wrote:
>Richard Schultz comments on my response to Harry Katz --
>>Even the passage to
>>which Kleim refers (from tractate Gittin) -- incorrectly, as usual, by the
>>way -- has been censored, as the original text (Jesus) as found in the
>>Munich MS has been replaced by "the sinners of Israel" in current printed
>>editions.  In any case, it was Balaam who was described as being punished
>>in boiling semen; Jesus was punished in boiling excrement, which makes more
>>sense anyway.

>As I said, whoever wants to find out who is lying should obtain --
>
>   _The Plot Against Christianity_, by Elizabeth Dilling  [reissued by the
>      Noontide Press as _The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today_}
>
>The facts are plain to see.

I realize that arguing with lunatics is usually futile, (e.g. note how
Kleim "cleverly" deleted the rest of my post in which I illustrated some
of the evidence for Dilling's unreliability), but I cannot resist pointing
one thing out.

In the above book, *Dilling herself* makes reference to censored Talmud 
editions (see, for instance, p. 14-15).  Not only that, but she reproduces,
as "Exhibit 202" the very page from the Soncino translation that includes
the passage "sinners of Israel" and a footnote stating that the (uncensored)
Munich MS has "Jesus" instead.

So I guess we can chalk this one up to another example of Kleim providing
us with the very source that refutes him.  Is this guy a card or what?

					Richard Schultz


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Subject: Re: Jewish roots
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>As I said, whoever wants to find out who is lying should obtain --
>
>   _The Plot Against Christianity_, by Elizabeth Dilling  [reissued by the
>      Noontide Press as _The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today_}
>
>The facts are plain to see.

Isn't Noontide Press one of those, to be kind, alternate presses that
specializes in things like "Create a False Identity" and "How to Make
Bombs in your Kitchen"? The name rings a bell. Anyhow...

It strikes me that this Jewish "plot" against Christianity you allude
to hasn't been going very well, if you follow the trends of the past
2,000 years.

I suppose next we'll be hearing about some 200 year old plot by the
Costa Ricans to undermine the USA...


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Subject: RE: Nazis on Internet
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 3 May 94 14:31:29 -0500
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Barry Shein responds to my reply to his attack on Jason Smith:

BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of excising its
BS: most diseased bits.

MJK: What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
MJK: against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.

Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?

MJK: The mask is removed.

BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.

BS: There is no mask.

All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
with every means necessary.  For you to condone the actions of madmen who
orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say 
aren't).

BS: As far as I am concerned nazis like Jason Smith and Hermann need only
BS: be extended those "rights" they claim to respect for others, they
BS: should be treated by their own standards.

If I am treated by my own standards for others, then I'm gonna be living
a pretty damn good life.  The essence of the White self-determination 
Movement is to be able to choose how we shall live with whom we shall live.
I have no objections to other peoples being given this right unconditionally
as well.

BS: I am not surprised this disturbs them.

What disturbs me is the viciousness of someone who has never met me; some-
one who could not tell me apart from a group of ordinary Americans; someone
who hates me only because I dare love my kind and ways above others, and
am willing to protect my kind and ways from criminals, outside and inside
my race.

Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National 
Socialists truly believe and strive for.

-- HERMANN



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Trebor Lee responds to Barry Shein's incitement to violence:
                                                          
BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
BS: most diseased bits.

TL:     You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
TL: concerned, sleeping their at XXX XXXXXXXXXX XX. in XXXXXXXX, XX. You think
TL: you can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, 
TL: and go unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone 
TL: call at (XXX) XXX-XXXX or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock 
TL: and don't fuck with one of my white brothers!!!    

Regardless of what Shein spews, I do not condone violence or the incitement
to violence against him for his hateful views.

Mr. Shein is a Jew, and hatred tends to come easy for them.  We should try to 
understand this hateful nature.

-- HERMANN



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MikeDaBike writes:

>Ignore this idiot...

Yes indeed ignore me, as the post wasn't for you.  

-- HERMANN


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N W H Mailer wrote:

>>Hmmm.  Interesting how this "Afrikaner" can't spell Afrikaaner. :-)

Several South African friends have spelled it "Afrikaner," and the AWB
newspaper has spelled it "Afrikaner."

-- HERMANN


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Peter Wade writes:

>Dear Hermann,

>While you are entitled to your point of view, I, who have Afrikaner ancestry 
>and family, would like to have my point of view appended to yours.

>I also have some questions to ask you.  Are you South African ?  

No, I was born in California.

>What are you doing in a foreign country generating inflammatory racist 
>rhetoric, instead of working here to rebuild the nation, {and, from a 
>strategic point of view, trying to shape the process in the mould of your 
>desire} ?

First, as a pan-Aryanist, I do not recognize national borders when my fellow
Aryans are threatened anywhere in the world.

Second, our American heritage encourages us to support peoples that are 
stuggling for freedom and self-determination.  The Afrikaner nation is one
of these peoples.

Third, how are we Aryan racialists in North America "interfering" in the
affairs of the former Republic of South Africa by offering information to 
any interested Afrikaner?  Why were you not concerned when North Americans, 
Europeans, and others "interfered" to bring about the tragic situation 
which spells certain death for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of 
Blacks and Whites, in the months and years to come under a Marxist dic-
tatorship?

>I wish to state that it is not the Afrikaner who built South Africa, nor the 
>English techno-immigrants, nor the oppressed masses, but everybody who ever 
>did any work in this land.  

The traditions and technology which made possible the very existence of the
Republic of South Africa are exclusively the product of the White man.  
Without the White man, there would be no South Africa...nor would there be 
an America.

>Without the so-called "naked savages", there would be no gold, no vast 
>cities, no email.  

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

We have plenty of gold in other parts of the world.  The native African
did not create your "great cities."  And *please* tell me who this Black
guy is that invented computer technology?.

>Likewise, it is not the Afrikaner who installed the abusive system of 
>Apartheid.  

This is partially true, since the original apartheid system was not meant
to be "abusive."

Apartheid simply was a program which was to lead to individual development 
and eventually complete separation of the peoples of South Africa.

>Nor did the English do it.  Nor did the corrupt Black homeland 
>leaders do it.  Greedy, myopic, heartless individuals of all so-called 
>races did it...

The modern "apartheid" was developed after it was recognized by the Capitalist
exploiters, such as the Jew Oppenheimer, that their slave labor policies could 
no longer continue if racial *separation* occurred, and a policy of *segregation* 
was implemented instead.

>Many Afrikaners have opposed the system of slavery in many ways.  Some went to 
>prison (Breyten Breytenbach), some wrote about it (Andre Brink) some, even, 
>are prominent in the ANC (Carl Niehaus).  

There is decaying fruit in every orchard.

>It is to insult and diminish Afrikaners by implying that racism and Afrikanerism 
>are a single package.  Indeed, it is in itself a racist act to do so.

The defense of one's own kind and life-ways are fundamental to Afrikaner culture,
and every other Aryan culture.  To betray one's people to support a myopic ideal 
such as the "multicultural" deathstyle is most disgraceful.

>Finally, Afrikaner Nationalism and Zulu Nationalism are the two greatest 
>dangers that a unified, non-racial South Africa face.  

I encourage Afrikaner and Zulu *self-determination*.  If they wish to live
apart from your "glorious" new South Africa, then it is THEIR choice, not 
yours, not Mandela's, not the "world community's."

MANDELA is the greatest danger to Southern Africa.  He is a power-hungry pet 
who is playing the "humanitarian" role concocted by his masters, such as
the Jew Joe Slovo, very well.  Once he is firmly installed as the figure-head 
of the new Southern African "state," his "ANC" will be allowed free rein in 
domestic policy to do as it pleases, including exterminate its opponents, 
Black and White, just as has happened in nearly every other Black "state" 
in Africa.

Hopefully all the White traitors who have helped to bury their nation will
be the first to go under him.  Most likely some will be made a spectacle
of by being "necklaced."

>To encourage either is to push us closer to the Bosnia Option.  If you are 
>going to do that kind of stuff, do it here, where you can experience the 
>consequences of your actions and beliefs, not from the safety of a foreign 
>country.  

When was the last time you were in the United States?  "Safety of a foreign 
country?"  The Republic of South Africa is the first domino.  What happens in 
Southern Africa affects ALL Whites everywhere.  The criminal actions by 
purported "leaders" in the former RSA are occuring, and will occur to an even 
greater extent, in North America.  A worldwide racial apocalypse approaches,
not because of White self-determinationists, but because of the policies of
Capitalist Internationalists and interracists.

We will not trade our race's survival for what you call "peace."

>If you are not South African by birth, come and let our continent heal you.

Racial suicide is not a prescription I wish to consume.

-- HERMANN




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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
>BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.
>
>Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?

Race crimes.

>BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.
>
>BS: There is no mask.
>
>All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
>with every means necessary.  For you to condone the actions of madmen who
>orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
>in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say 
>aren't).

Condone? Who condoned? The Nazis who ran the country at the time
condoned it. That's one reason Hitler and his henchmen are referred to
as madmen. They sacrificed thousands and thousands of their fellow
countrymen rather than broker peace when defeat was inevitable.

Hey, they wanted to go down to their last dying breath, they got it.

Anyhow, you're a nazi Hermann, don't bother speaking about "justice"
I'm not that goddamned stupid. Your interest in justice stops when you
have your hands on the noose.

>Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
>and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National 
>Socialists truly believe and strive for.

We've been there once before, your kind is not an unknown quantity.
Burned any Turks lately Hermann? Swastika'd any gravestones or
synagogues? As I've said before, who do you think you're kidding?

Hey, we have any communists out there wanna lecture us all about the
beautiful dream of Marxist-Leninism while we're at it?

I assume Hermann will grant them everything he wishes granted to him,
all the benefits of the doubt of history. Ignore that copy of Mein
Kampf Hermann is waving, he only intends to put forth the good
parts...


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>Mr. Shein is a Jew

I realize you are prone to racialist categorizations as per your Nazi
philosophy but for the record I neither practice nor subscribe to any
religion.


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Tony Quirke writes:

>   As far as I can see, you're a two bit little pissant who has to resort
>to Nazi beliefs to provide some measure of self respect, deluded as that
>may be. Prove me wrong, Milton. What have you done in your life that can
>be considered worthwhile ?      ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
 ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

Where do you want me to start?

-- HERMANN


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Michael P. Stein writes:

>    But does Kleim condone violence or the incitement to violence against 
>him for some *other* reason?  Inquiring minds want to know.

No.  I do not advocate violence or illegal coercion against any individual
for their philsophical beliefs, ancestry, or religion.  Every racial/ideo-
logical program which I advocate is intended to be implemented as part of
legislation by a legal government.

-- HERMANN


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>No.  I do not advocate violence or illegal coercion against any individual
>for their philsophical beliefs, ancestry, or religion.  Every racial/ideo-
>logical program which I advocate is intended to be implemented as part of
>legislation by a legal government.
>
>-- HERMANN

Ok, so then why don't you just get them implemented via legislation by
the current govt?

Oh, right, they're under unholy influence, and you're going to fix
that first...So tell us, are you a naive fool or just perfidious? Or
do you just think the rest of us are dumb?

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From:   MX%"georg@sybase.com"  6-MAY-1994 07:09:27.74
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Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:08:30 +0200
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>I have seen ignorance and smallmindedness before, but this tops it all.
>There is no room in today's world for closedmindedness, racism, and superioism.

We seek independence from your "multicultural" deathstyle.  We demand the right
to live how we wish with whom we wish.  WE, not you, decide whether we want to 
change course from your path to destruction.  Racial and cultural self-deter-
mination is the most fundamental of human rights.  What you advocate is genocide.

>Have you not studied any history, culture?

I am fully aware of the most important events and trends in history.  I have 
intensively studied native Aryan cultures, as well as non-White cultures,
for many years now.  My studies have reinforced all of my National Socialist
beliefs.  *I* know myself and my heritage.  Do you?

>How can anyone that twisted in the head ever make it to college level? I am
>astounded you can write, as certainly you are not firing on all cylinders.
>Were you dropped on your head as a child???

Judge yourself, Mr. Carlson.  My life-ways will assure the perpetual survival
and positive evolution of the Aryan race.  Your hateful comments indicate 
that you believe in "ideals" that will invariably lead to the destrcution of
not only the Aryan race, but the genetic and cultural heritage of every other
people on Earth.  Is suicide normal?  Which of us is *really* twisted?
Examine yourself by your own subjectivity.

>Go away, back under that rock you came out from under! Like of you do not 
>deserve to be treated as humans.

Please obtain a dictionary, and look up the definitions of "bigotry,"
"hatred," and "prejudice."  Any similarities to your opinions?  Educate
yourself, Mr. Carlson.  Learn to respect others, as you demand respect
from others.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --



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>>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>>most diseased bits.
>
>What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
>against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
on others' placidity in your wretched goals.

>The mask is removed.

Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.

There is no mask.

As far as I am concerned nazis like Jason Smith and Hermann need only
be extended those "rights" they claim to respect for others, they
should be treated by their own standards.

I am not surprised this disturbs them.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Richard Schultz comments on my response to Harry Katz --
>In this case (surprise!) Katz is right and Kleim is wrong.  *Every* Talmud
>edition since the Basel edition (1578-1580) has been censored either by
>Christians due to self-censorship by Jewish printers.  Even the passage to
>which Kleim refers (from tractate Gittin) -- incorrectly, as usual, by the
>way -- has been censored, as the original text (Jesus) as found in the
>Munich MS has been replaced by "the sinners of Israel" in current printed
>editions.  In any case, it was Balaam who was described as being punished
>in boiling semen; Jesus was punished in boiling excrement, which makes more
>sense anyway.  Many of the other references to non-Jews have been so garbled
>due to censorship that it is often unclear whether they were referring to
>Christians or not.  Especially given that the Babylonian rabbis would have
>had little contact with Christians anyway.

As I said, whoever wants to find out who is lying should obtain --

   _The Plot Against Christianity_, by Elizabeth Dilling  [reissued by the
      Noontide Press as _The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today_}

The facts are plain to see.




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>As I said, whoever wants to find out who is lying should obtain --
>
>   _The Plot Against Christianity_, by Elizabeth Dilling  [reissued by the
>      Noontide Press as _The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today_}
>
>The facts are plain to see.

Isn't Noontide Press one of those, to be kind, alternate presses that
specializes in things like "Create a False Identity" and "How to Make
Bombs in your Kitchen"? The name rings a bell. Anyhow...

It strikes me that this Jewish "plot" against Christianity you allude
to hasn't been going very well, if you follow the trends of the past
2,000 years.

I suppose next we'll be hearing about some 200 year old plot by the
Costa Ricans to undermine the USA...


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Barry Shein responds to my reply to his attack on Jason Smith:

BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of excising its
BS: most diseased bits.

MJK: What does this mean exactly, Shein?  Sounds like an appeal to violence
MJK: against those who disagree with you.  How typical.  

BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.

Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?

MJK: The mask is removed.

BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.

BS: There is no mask.

All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
with every means necessary.  For you to condone the actions of madmen who
orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say 
aren't).

BS: As far as I am concerned nazis like Jason Smith and Hermann need only
BS: be extended those "rights" they claim to respect for others, they
BS: should be treated by their own standards.

If I am treated by my own standards for others, then I'm gonna be living
a pretty damn good life.  The essence of the White self-determination 
Movement is to be able to choose how we shall live with whom we shall live.
I have no objections to other peoples being given this right unconditionally
as well.

BS: I am not surprised this disturbs them.

What disturbs me is the viciousness of someone who has never met me; some-
one who could not tell me apart from a group of ordinary Americans; someone
who hates me only because I dare love my kind and ways above others, and
am willing to protect my kind and ways from criminals, outside and inside
my race.

Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National 
Socialists truly believe and strive for.

-- HERMANN



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Trebor Lee responds to Barry Shein's incitement to violence:
                                                          
BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
BS: most diseased bits.

TL:     You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
TL: concerned, sleeping their at XXX XXXXXXXXXX XX. in XXXXXXXX, XX. You think
TL: you can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, 
TL: and go unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone 
TL: call at (XXX) XXX-XXXX or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock 
TL: and don't fuck with one of my white brothers!!!    

Regardless of what Shein spews, I do not condone violence or the incitement
to violence against him for his hateful views.

Mr. Shein is a Jew, and hatred tends to come easy for them.  We should try to 
understand this hateful nature.

-- HERMANN



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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
In-Reply-To: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU's message of 3 May 94 14:31:29 -0500
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
>BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.
>
>Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?

Race crimes.

>BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.
>
>BS: There is no mask.
>
>All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
>with every means necessary.  For you to condone the actions of madmen who
>orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
>in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say 
>aren't).

Condone? Who condoned? The Nazis who ran the country at the time
condoned it. That's one reason Hitler and his henchmen are referred to
as madmen. They sacrificed thousands and thousands of their fellow
countrymen rather than broker peace when defeat was inevitable.

Hey, they wanted to go down to their last dying breath, they got it.

Anyhow, you're a nazi Hermann, don't bother speaking about "justice"
I'm not that goddamned stupid. Your interest in justice stops when you
have your hands on the noose.

>Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
>and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National 
>Socialists truly believe and strive for.

We've been there once before, your kind is not an unknown quantity.
Burned any Turks lately Hermann? Swastika'd any gravestones or
synagogues? As I've said before, who do you think you're kidding?

Hey, we have any communists out there wanna lecture us all about the
beautiful dream of Marxist-Leninism while we're at it?

I assume Hermann will grant them everything he wishes granted to him,
all the benefits of the doubt of history. Ignore that copy of Mein
Kampf Hermann is waving, he only intends to put forth the good
parts...


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>Mr. Shein is a Jew

I realize you are prone to racialist categorizations as per your Nazi
philosophy but for the record I neither practice nor subscribe to any
religion.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Tony Quirke writes:

>   As far as I can see, you're a two bit little pissant who has to resort
>to Nazi beliefs to provide some measure of self respect, deluded as that
>may be. Prove me wrong, Milton. What have you done in your life that can
>be considered worthwhile ?      ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
 ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

Where do you want me to start?

-- HERMANN


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Michael P. Stein writes:

>    But does Kleim condone violence or the incitement to violence against 
>him for some *other* reason?  Inquiring minds want to know.

No.  I do not advocate violence or illegal coercion against any individual
for their philsophical beliefs, ancestry, or religion.  Every racial/ideo-
logical program which I advocate is intended to be implemented as part of
legislation by a legal government.

-- HERMANN


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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Nazis on Internet
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>No.  I do not advocate violence or illegal coercion against any individual
>for their philsophical beliefs, ancestry, or religion.  Every racial/ideo-
>logical program which I advocate is intended to be implemented as part of
>legislation by a legal government.
>
>-- HERMANN

Ok, so then why don't you just get them implemented via legislation by
the current govt?

Oh, right, they're under unholy influence, and you're going to fix
that first...So tell us, are you a naive fool or just perfidious? Or
do you just think the rest of us are dumb?

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From:   MX%"georg@sybase.com"  6-MAY-1994 07:09:27.74
To:     HERMANN
CC:
Subj:   Re: ATTENTION PATRIOTIC AFRIKANERS

Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:08:30 +0200
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>I have seen ignorance and smallmindedness before, but this tops it all.
>There is no room in today's world for closedmindedness, racism, and superioism.

We seek independence from your "multicultural" deathstyle.  We demand the right
to live how we wish with whom we wish.  WE, not you, decide whether we want to 
change course from your path to destruction.  Racial and cultural self-deter-
mination is the most fundamental of human rights.  What you advocate is genocide.

>Have you not studied any history, culture?

I am fully aware of the most important events and trends in history.  I have 
intensively studied native Aryan cultures, as well as non-White cultures,
for many years now.  My studies have reinforced all of my National Socialist
beliefs.  *I* know myself and my heritage.  Do you?

>How can anyone that twisted in the head ever make it to college level? I am
>astounded you can write, as certainly you are not firing on all cylinders.
>Were you dropped on your head as a child???

Judge yourself, Mr. Carlson.  My life-ways will assure the perpetual survival
and positive evolution of the Aryan race.  Your hateful comments indicate 
that you believe in "ideals" that will invariably lead to the destrcution of
not only the Aryan race, but the genetic and cultural heritage of every other
people on Earth.  Is suicide normal?  Which of us is *really* twisted?
Examine yourself by your own subjectivity.

>Go away, back under that rock you came out from under! Like of you do not 
>deserve to be treated as humans.

Please obtain a dictionary, and look up the definitions of "bigotry,"
"hatred," and "prejudice."  Any similarities to your opinions?  Educate
yourself, Mr. Carlson.  Learn to respect others, as you demand respect
from others.

-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.

-- No Guilt -- No Remorse --
-- White Pride -- White Power! --



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Subject: Milton Kleim and Einstein - anatomy of a fiasco
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I wrote this article up several months ago, but decided aginst posting
it when Milton "Hermann" Kleim claimed he was leaving this newsgroup.
Seeing as he appears to be back, I thought I'd get it off my hard drive
and onto Usenet:


This episode is rather dull, if seen as an exploration of Einstein and
Lorentz.  But it's educational, if you view it as an attempt to get one
measly indisputable fact through the thick skull of an admitted racist
anti-Semite.  If it's this hard to get him to admit something so
patently obvious, how hard must it be to discuss with him the hundreds
upon thousands of claims made by the Holocaust-deniers?
 
 
Milton "Hermann" Kleim started the ball rolling by posting this, in
<1994Jan10.203551.7776@msus1.msus.edu> on the 10th of January:
 
>I have yet to see a Jewish "artist" who has produced a work nearing that of
>the worst Aryan painter, sculptor, writer or musician.
>
>Your dear Kafka produced nothing of value (of course your Jewish cultural
>elite disagrees with me, for obvious reasons).
>
>Mr. Einstein "borrowed" (i.e. stole) the work of several Aryan scientists,
>modified it, and presented it as his own.
 
 
After six requests for Miltie to name his source and name the scientists
whose work Einstein stole - by dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren),
choover@usd.edu (Christopher J Hoover), t08o@unb.ca (Keith Morrison),
stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl), and b28d@unb.ca (LOCKHART E)
- Miltie finally posted this, in <1994Jan14.170402.7914@msus1.msus.edu>
on the 14th of January:
 
>Start on this matter by finding the book _The Einstein Myth_ published by
>Devin-Adair in 1979.
>
>As for names of the scientists he "borrowed" from, I do not recall the 
>exact spelling of the primary one, but it is either Lorenz or Lorentz.
 
 
Just a few _hours_ later, Keith Morrison posted a reply, in article
<1994Jan15.011801.17422@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, which began:
 
>Hermann, I love you.  I bet a friend $5 that if you named anyone at all, it
>would be Lorentz.
 
Keith then gave a brief biography of Lorentz and shredded Miltie's claim.
As Keith said:
 
>YOU BLEW IT HERM!  Einstein uses those equations, yes, and know what he called
>them?  The Lorentz Transformations.  I was taught General Relativity, and know
>what I was taught they were called?  The Lorentz Transformations.  Look in
>any good physics textbook, encyclopedia or class notes, and lo, what do we
>find?  The Lorentz Transformations.  
>
>Now, it would be pretty stupid to steal something and then give credit to the
>real owner, wouldn't it?  Damn right.
 
At almost exactly the same time, Danny Keren posted his reply, in article
<2h7bok$5dj@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, saying essentially the same thing.
 
Then, within _three_hours_ of his first article, Keith had posted several
other articles.  Among these was - get this - a review of the book Milton
cited!  Not content to merely point out Milt's mistake, Keith actually
went to the library, checked out the book, read it, ripped it apart, and
posted his conclusions to the net!
 
All three of these articles - Keith's first exposure, Danny's independently-
concurring article, and Keith's analysis of the book - were posted to the
net on January 15th, all within twelve hours of Milton's article naming
his source.
 
 
Then, a startling thing happened.  Milton had been a frequent and regular
contributor to alt.revisionism up until that point.  Let's take a look at
his posting pattern for early January:
 
January  3rd:   2 articles
January  7th:   2 articles
January  8th:   3 articles
January  9th:  12 articles
January 10th:   7 articles
January 11th:   5 articles
January 12th:   3 articles
January 13th:   2 articles
January 14th:   3 articles
 
After the 14th - all of a sudden - silence!  Nothing to be heard from
Milton "Hermann" Kleim until the 24th!
 
He claimed it was because he was celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. weekend,
which he calls "White American Day."  (King's holiday was January 17th,
a Monday.)  On February 3rd, in <1994Feb3.101742.8322@msus1.msus.edu>,
after having returned to the net, he innocently asked:
 
>What "Lorentz-Einstein fiasco?"  What is it [I] missed over the White
>American Day weekend?  I welcome someone to repost what transpired after
>my post about Einstein.
 
You missed nine days' worth of netting, Miltie - that's a whole lot more
than a weekend.  Perhaps there's something you're not telling us?
 
After a few times back and forth of Milton asking what happened, Keith
finally explained, again, on the 11th of February, in a 150-line post.
Quite thorough.  It completely demolished, again, Milton's "thesis."
 
Then, a startling thing happened!  Milt had been a frequent and regular
contributor to alt.revisionism up until that point.  Let's take a look at
his posting pattern for early February:
 
February  1st:   2 articles
February  3rd:   3 articles
February  5th:   1 article
February  7th:   3 articles
February  8th:   2 articles
February  9th:   3 articles
February 10th:   5 articles
 
After the 10th - all of a sudden - silence!  Nothing to be heard from
Milton "Hermann" Kleim until the 18th!
 
He didn't have an explanation for this precipitous drop in posting
activity.  I humbly offer my own - that he was publicly humiliated and
hung out to dry.  His articles thereafter made no mention of the
Einstein fiasco.  After four more articles total from the 18th of
February to the 3rd of March, Milt announced that he was leaving
alt.revisionism "for an indefinite period."
 
Keith concluded his final explanation with an interesting paragraph
that's worth quoting here.  It reads:
 
> The following is a test to see if Hermann bothered to read this far:
 
And, I might add, it's a test to see how easily one can pound facts
into Hermann's cranium...
 
> Hermann, I dare you to answer the following question--what date is White
> American Day? If you don't answer this, I will assume that you did not
> complete the article, therefore are completely incapable of debating the
> points I have made.  If you answer the question, I will conclude you are
> not an absolute moron.
 
"Hermann" has yet to answer the question.  Another good example of the
futility of discussing facts with neo-Nazis.
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy   Internet: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu   AppleLink: j.mccarthy
 If your email is related to my job, please send it to mccarthy@lpi.com.
 I speak for no one but myself.


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From: stubbe@asterix.uni-muenster.de (Hermann Stubbe)
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Subject: Re: Looking for family in Germany
Date: 19 May 1994 21:59:54 GMT
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Jonathan Seeger (S1002873@cedarville.edu) wrote:
: I'm am starting to look for my family roots in Germany and I was wondering 
: if any one out there knows of anyone with the last name "Seeger".  It is 
: not, at least in the US, a common name.  If you know of anyone with this 
: last name, please E-mail me and tell me where they are from.  You help will 
: be very much appriciated. 

: ps. Sie koennen auf Deutsch schreiben.

: E-mail address: S1002873@cedarville.edu

Hello Jon!

Well, I always thought that Seeger wasn't a very common name in this 
region, too.
But I just checked our local phonebook and found out that there are at 
least 17 Seegers living here in Muenster.
Now imagine a region where this name is more common... :-)

I think you should give us some more information about your forefathers.

Sincerely,
Werner

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* Werner Oluts, User of Stubbe :-)                                           *
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Subject: ANA News Update
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SAINT CLOUD, Minnesota --

African-American self-determinationist Khalid Abdul Muhammad spoke about 
Black pride and politics Saturday afternoon to a gathering of 200 at Saint 
Cloud State University.

During his speech, Muhammad expressed his lack of guile for Whites, and
encouraged Black self-respect.  "You're wearing your X shirts, your X
sweatshirts, and your X hats, but you don't want to listen to the X-perts
and the X-amples who can X-plain what's going on here today.  You want
to wear your X on the outside, but not on the inside," Muhammad declared.
He condemned Blacks for dating and marriage of Whites, calling it a betrayal
of his people.

Muhammad, denounced by Jewish propagandists for "anti-Semitic" comments
made last Novemeber, echoed such sentiments during a follow-up question 
session, warning against the "conspiracy of Jews in the media and the 
Anti-Defamation League.  They're out to rule the world.  We happen to be
in the way."

A Jewish agitation/propaganda group, "Jewish Activist Minyan," protested 
Muhammad's visit, distributing pamphlets which were quickly confiscated 
by SCS public safety officers for security reasons.  A Saint Cloud _Times_
reporter's notes were also confiscated.  No hostile skirmishes occurred.

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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac - Yockey's "Imperium" - A Critique
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Ken Mcvay posts:

>Archive/File: fascism/usa/yockey yockey.001
>              holocaust/usa/ihr  carto.004
>Last-Modified: 1994/05/20

>                       Francis Parker Yockey's 

>         "Imperium, The Philosophy of History and Politics"

>                      a Summary and Evaluation
>                        by Neighbors Network

[hundreds of lines deleted]

WOW McVay!  This was actually pretty good.  Objective and informative,
_relative to it's source_.

Do you have one for _Mein Kampf_, _White Power_, or _Which Way Western
Man?_ too?

-- HERMANN



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Subject: Re: Swindler's Jest revisited
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Date: 31 May 94 09:12:36 -0500
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Ross Vicksell replies to Danny Keren:

>>Then why are "revisionists" trying to ban it, you clown?

>Make that "revisionist." The state-side revisionists I know are 
>appalled at the notion of censorship, in any way, shape or fashion.

Indeed.  Most revisionists *want* _Schindler's List_ to be propagated widely.

We're not afraid of a theatrical fraud.

-- HERMANN



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Subject: Re: Swindler's Jest revisited
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Date: 31 May 94 10:36:15 -0500
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Felix Vagabond writes:

> Mr.Savage why do you call a brave man who isn't even with us any more 
> a Swindler?  

Oskar Schindler was not a "brave man," but a war profiteer.  

-- HERMANN

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