From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 3 06:47:37 PST 1996 Article: 83279 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka Message-ID:Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57820u$5h6@Vir.com> <57qi3i$77h@Vir.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 21:49:39 GMT Lines: 54 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## You must have seen the photos of skeletal corpses being ## buried in the Ghetto. # I never saw such photo, That figures. You're a "revisionist scholar", right? # althought they may exist but I would be surprised. The photos are well-known. There was starvation in the Warsaw ghetto. It's well-known. # However, this has little importance: your methode to # calculate this is not valid. You assume that the human # body is of the density of water, and this is not correct, So tell us what you think the density is. People sink in water; fact. The average density of a human being is rather close to that of water. This is a FACT. I guess that the density of an emaciated person is even higher. # You still bring your photo and claim that there's not # 60% empty space: well, I don't know in this case, Did you consider looking at the photo? # but the way those people are pilled up in this case is # not the same that what was given in the Treblinka story. No major difference. Certainly not to account for such a huge difference in the packing inefficiency. # I'm saying that the total empty space between the # corpses and inside the corpses is 60% or more, yes. The "empty spaces inside the corpses" are irrelevant, as they are covered in the density. To suggest that 60 percent of the mass grave consists of spaces between the corpses is simply absurd. You want to say it, say it. You can also say that the moon is made of green cheese; It's a free country, after all. You've lost this debate, and you know it. Why can't you just give up, and move to something else, like proving that Hitler didn't exist? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 3 06:47:38 PST 1996 Article: 83401 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57unpq$1sj@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:45:08 GMT Lines: 71 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca qc.general:12517 can.general:98592 soc.culture.canada:102709 alt.revisionism:83401 [Followup = alt.revisionism] writes: # Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well # documented cases contradicting the jewish version of # events in WWII. How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his 1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following: p. 391: "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka, four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were exterminated". Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews "unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330). # Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found # documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there, # according to recently released Soviet documents. How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only "revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945. The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that "acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names down - that would have been a complete waste of time. Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist" agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces, would have been more than enough to deal with this number of victims. According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every day, on the average. But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 3 06:47:39 PST 1996 Article: 83403 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: qc.general,mtl.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!news.flora.ottawa.on.ca!news.synapse.net!n4ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57unpq$1sj@freenet-news.carleton.ca> writes: # Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well # documented cases contradicting the jewish version of # events in WWII. How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his 1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following: p. 391: "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka, four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were exterminated". Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews "unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330). # Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found # documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there, # according to recently released Soviet documents. How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only "revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945. The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that "acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names down - that would have been a complete waste of time. Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist" agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces, would have been more than enough to deal with this number of victims. According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every day, on the average. But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 4 05:21:52 PST 1996 Article: 83611 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961202063200.BAA07273@ladder01.news.aol.com> <57uodc$15b@news.enter.net> <32a3ed57.44461678@news.micron.net> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:29:42 GMT Lines: 38 "Kurt Stele" writes about Himmler's Posen speeches: # If the tape was legit the cowardly Jewish Holohoax Industry # would have already tested it by now. You must really be desperate, kurtzi. We offered to test it. Moreover, "leading revisionists" like Faurisson and Irving agree Himmler said these things. Faurisson's explanation is that Himmler "indulged in a bit of braggadocio", and probably didn't mean what he said. But then, Faurisson is about as crazy as you (well, maybe a little less). # Just like the cowards have to resort to imprisoning revisionists # and censoring websites to keep the public from finding out about # it. kurtzi, what do you think about Matt Giwer's letter to my ISP, demanding to kick me off the net and threatening to mail-bomb him if he doesn't? Care to answer, kurtzi? -Danny Keren. ---- For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 4 16:05:07 PST 1996 Article: 83701 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: agressive Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57t92t$2ju@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <57ufpe$ano@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:18:57 GMT Lines: 26 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # By the way, I speak 3 languages besides English. And he obviously lies in all of them. Remember his claim that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS for mistreating Jews"? In reality, he was tried and executed by the Poles, after the war. When his lie was exposed, the lying Nazi apologist "rblackmore" blamed a "Jewish researcher" who allegedly supplied him with this false information... What a stupid, lying Nazi. Can he perhaps tell us: 1) Who this "Jewish researcher" is? 2) How come he ["rblackmore"] didn't know that Goeth was executed by the Poles? With his "60,000 books" and all? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 4 16:05:08 PST 1996 Article: 83702 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57t2sc$1eoe$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <57udiu$ano@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:11:07 GMT Lines: 27 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # There is no forensic evidence to prove that people # were gassed by the Nazis. Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau gas chambers. This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2 for which there is forensic evidence. There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians after the war. If the lying Nazi apologist believes there is such evidence, he is most welcome to tell us where it can be found. If not, and if he has any honesty whatsoever, he has to admit that, according to his own standards, these events never took place. But how many honest Nazi apologists are there? None. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 4 16:05:09 PST 1996 Article: 83717 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!mr.net!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'the screams and groans of the people died away' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57nmml$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com> <329f80e1.19596635@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 21:01:27 GMT Lines: 20 Testimony of Hauptschrfuehrer Gustav Labs [Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 87] ---------------------------------------------------------- Then Burstinger, who had reappeared from the cellar passage, came up to me. He ordered me to start the engine and to leave it running for about twelve minutes. I did what I was told, and a minute later I heard terrible screams and groans coming >from the interior. I got frightened and jumped out of the driver's cab. I realized that the exhaust had been directed to the interior of the van to kill the people inside. Bothmann* yelled at me, "Have you gone mad?". He told me to get back behind the wheel. I did so and waited. I didn't dare to do anything, because I was afraid of Bothmann. Gradually, after some minutes, the screams and groans of the people died away. * SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hans Bothmann. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 4 16:05:09 PST 1996 Article: 83718 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!mr.net!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Decision in Legion v. Carto et al Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329F669A.562D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:59:09 GMT Lines: 7 It's fascinating to see these animals tearing each other to pieces. My guess is that now they'll start killing each other. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 05:45:48 PST 1996 Article: 83759 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57njlm$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a3ec72.44232831@news.micron.net> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:50:14 GMT Lines: 59 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # Kremer's diaries mentioned "Sonderaktions" (special actions) Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268] ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 September 1942 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ extermination camp for nothing! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmm. kurtzi, what do you and the rest of your crazy Nazi pals make of this? "They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!". # which Dr. Kremer testified the term meant "gassing of people" Kremer, and everyone else. # only to retract it 10 years later after being released from # Polish prison. Sigh. kurtzi, I assume you're lying through your teeth, as not only haven't I heard of him retracting this, but he repeated what he said later, as a witness in the trial held by the German legal system in 1963-5. I assume, kurtzi, that you can supply us with a source about him "retracting" what he said in Poland? It's a simple question, kurtzi. On what do you base your claim that he retracted what he said in Poland, re the gassings? Why do you keep denying what you know happened, and what you consider the greatest accomplishment of your one-balled fuehrer? -Danny Keren. ---- For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 05:45:49 PST 1996 Article: 83792 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57np6v$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:10:07 GMT Lines: 20 rblackmore@juno.com writes: ["quote" from "French rabbi"] # (Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880) Does anyone know what this "Le Contemporain" is? Does anyone have access to it? Is there any evidence this "rabbi" ever existed? I see no reason to believe anything posted by this rabid Nazi, "rblackmore". He also claimed that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while in reality he was tried and executed by the Poles after the war. If he lies about what happened in WW2, he can certainly lie about what happened in 1880. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 05:45:50 PST 1996 Article: 83808 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.nacamar.de!news.he.net!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Mass Murder in Belsen Camp, I Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329b7a86.3599214@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <57m9as$a4p@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a089fe.2084990@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:25:45 GMT Lines: 33 The following photos are in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/ Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz and Belsen). http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/ Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of corpses in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/ Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz II (Birkenau) and later Belsen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 05:45:51 PST 1996 Article: 83842 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.etri.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: What did the allies know and when did they know it? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329CA593.183E@rio.com> <19961130120100.HAA23739@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:01:30 GMT Lines: 33 dvdthomas@aol.com writes: [To Mr. Chuck Ferre] # Was this on the day that your outfit lost # 160 planes? :-) Has anyone else noticed the wild attacks against Mr. Ferre - from Giwer, Stele, and now this lame one-liner from "dvdthomas", who apparently thinks it's funny to joke about Americans who died fighting the Nazis? Why do they hate him so much? because he was there and because he fought the Nazis, that's why. There's no other reason. This is just one example. The "revisionists" constantly attack and slander the American Armed Forces, while showering praise on the Nazis. According to them, the baddies were the Americans, not the Nazis. One can only wonder what these people would have done had they lived during WW2. Personally, I have no doubt whatsoever. This is a democracy. These rabid dogs may bark as much as they wish. As for myself, here's a toast to Chuck Ferre, and to all other Americans who fought the Nazi evil. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 11:50:33 PST 1996 Article: 83921 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: never trust a confession Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57t2sc$1eoe$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <57udiu$ano@juliana.sprynet.com> <5808l8$1f48$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <32a45c80.2954690@news.gte.net> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:42:50 GMT Lines: 54 Delorean@cobble.frie (Trunksated) (the senile, unemployed Nazi drunkard from Tampa, FL) writes: # You appear to be referring to YFE's assertion without support # that a US doctor at Dachau, where there was never a gas chamber Sigh. Matt: 1) There was a gas chamber, and it is still there. 2) There is a letter from Dr. Rascher to Himmler, mentioning the gas chamber and asking to use it to test "combat gases" on humans. See http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/ images/Rascher1.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/ images/Rascher2.jpg Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation courtesy of John Morris. Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief als "Geheimsache." [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz] anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the action. Up till now there have only been animal tests or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter marked "Secret"]. # When do you folks give it up? When do you find a job, leech? How difficult can it be, with your claimed IQ of 163? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 15:35:43 PST 1996 Article: 83953 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!mr.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: He started shouting, and raised his whip Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57oat8$7ae@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:40:11 GMT Lines: 26 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## The stupid, lying Nazi now blames a mysterious "Jewish ## researcher" for the lies he posted. Just who is that ## "Jewish researcher"? David Cole, maybe? Do tell us. # He was a Jew-like you. Who was he? Why don't you tell us, you stupid, lying Nazi? Anyway, you posted a lie; namely, that Goeth was "executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while he was actually tried and executed by the Poles after the war. Being the stupid, lying Nazi clown that you are, you now blame your lie on a "Jewish researcher". You stupid Nazi. Even assuming this "Jewish researcher" exists, how come you didn't know yourself what happened to Goeth? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 5 15:35:43 PST 1996 Article: 83972 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.mci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:02:32 GMT Lines: 17 Letter from SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe to Reich security office, [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. I, p. 1001] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A transport of Jews, which has to be treated in a special way, arrives weekly at the office of the commandant of the Security Police and the Security Service of white Ruthenia. The three S-vans which are there are not sufficient for that purpose. I request assignment of another S-van (five tons). At the same time I request the shipment of twenty gas hoses for the three S-vans on hand since the ones on hand are leaky already. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 04:16:08 PST 1996 Article: 84015 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961204110400.GAA28242@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:09:40 GMT Lines: 31 tutu101@aol.com writes: # You have only quoted one case, Mr. Keren. The case itself is not as important as the position expressed by the SS court. Again, I suggest that our "revisionists" will read the following: Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943 ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p, 196-207] ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself. Nothing can be more clear than this. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 04:16:08 PST 1996 Article: 84023 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To? (Re: Blackmore lies again (Was Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a30252.861897@news.spry.com> <581u9r$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:56:48 GMT Lines: 25 rblackmore@juno.com writes: [About his articles in acadia.chat and alt.teens, in which he pretended to be a young girl, and asked youngsters to e-mail with him] # And now, if you really must know who wrote it, it was my # niece, who happened to be visiting our home at the time. And I guess you can prove this to us? Nahhhh. # Isn't it peculiar that the only posts from a teenage girl # all come from the same short time period with no additional # posts afterwards? If your "niece" was just visiting for a short period, why did she ask to e-mail her at your address? Maybe you'll just tell us what you were up to when you posted to these newsgroups? Planning to open a new branch of the Hitler Youth... or something even worse? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 04:16:09 PST 1996 Article: 84035 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism..... Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57bhvc$jj3@usenet80.supernews.com> <32a451f2.252435@news.gte.net> <583gsk$dvm@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> <32a5c80e.2313825@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:18:37 GMT Lines: 31 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.abortion:193053 alt.abortion.inequity:61105 alt.revisionism:84035 [Followup = alt.revisionism] WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes: # Where did you run across that admission? The last I heard, the # revisionists only claim that the documented deaths occurred. That # would be 74,000 for the Auschwitz complex. Well, "Holocaust revisionists" claim very strange things. For instance, that Belsen camp was in Poland (it was in Germany). For instance, that human beings can protect themselves against cyanide gas by holding their breath. Etc. Re your 74,000 figure: during 14-16 of May 1943, SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Gricksch inspected Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, and wrote a report for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler (see "Hitler and the Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143). In the report, he said that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz. Can you explain how the figure decreased to 74,000 in 1945? -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 04:16:10 PST 1996 Article: 84072 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photographs from DACHAU Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:17:03 GMT Lines: 19 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images dachau01.jpg Corpses of the inmates. dachau02.jpg, dachau03.jpg: Mass graves of murdered inmates near Dachau. dachau04.jpg Letter about conducting medical experiments in Dachau. MedExp02.jpg An inmate subjected to low-pressure experiment in Dachau. MedExp04.jpg An inmate subjected to freezing experiment in Dachau. -Danny Keren From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 17:44:06 PST 1996 Article: 84108 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: mtl.general,ont.general,edm.general,can.general,bc.general,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.lebanon,qc.general,qc.politique Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'Revisionist' Arithmetic? (Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUND Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32A09D07.4D78@interlog.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:17:34 GMT Lines: 44 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca ont.general:61686 can.general:98943 bc.general:58373 alt.revisionism:84108 soc.culture.canada:102941 soc.culture.lebanon:26512 qc.general:12600 qc.politique:13797 [Followup = alt.revisionism] WAHRHEIT writes: # Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found # documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there, # according to recently released Soviet documents. I have to point out to you, yet again, that in 14-16 May, 1943, SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch inspected Auschwitz, and wrote a report for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, in which he states that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau. See, for instance, "Hitler and the Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143. You seem to claim that, by 1945, the total number of the victims decreased to 72,000? By the way, the camp had five huge crematoriums. Look at the following photographs of them and of a related document: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours. Krema4.jpg Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau. Furnace.jpg Cremation furnaces in a Birkenau crematorium. Can you possibly explain why such tremendous cremation capacity was necessary, if 72,000 people died in the camp? It's a large number, indeed, but one small crematorium would certainly suffice to dispose of their corpses over 5 years. Why build all these huge crematorius if they were not necessary? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 6 17:44:07 PST 1996 Article: 84128 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32b3e937.20955535@199.0.216.204> <32a76498.7982195@news.gte.net> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:55:12 GMT Lines: 21 p@q.r (Advance) writes: # There are no signs of any disturbed earth that would be the # evidence of destroyed or dismantled buildings. Says who? What signs would be there, months after the camp was dismantled? # Continue to refuse to look at the pictures all you like. What pictures? # Majdanek is worse when you are ready to do into it. Huh? "do into it"? Lay off the cheap wine, Matt. Get a job, and then you'll have enough money to buy some good stuff, you 163-IQ'ed unemployed leech. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:02 PST 1996 Article: 84215 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Dresden Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <5877lt$t8j@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:17:30 GMT Lines: 22 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes: ## [A long article about Dresden] # Was this author there, Miss Flower? Amazing. "rblackmore", the lying Nazi apologist [1], was not in the Nazi concentration camps during WW2, yet he claims to know exactly what happened in them. Why does he have a problem when someone who was not in Dresden claims to know what happened there? -Danny Keren. [1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was tried and executed by the Poles after the war. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:03 PST 1996 Article: 84260 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!mn6.swip.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!eru.mt.luth.se!news.algonet.se!news.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <585jsq$14pg$2@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <588i8e$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:33:21 GMT Lines: 34 The lying Nazi apologist, "rblackmore@juno.com" [1], writes: [comment about Dr. Kremer's Auschwitz diary] What about the following excerpt from the diary? Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268] ---------------------------------------------------------- 2 September 1942 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing! "They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!". "Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this". Sounds pretty bad. Not something one would write about an innocent "labor camp". -Danny Keren. [1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was tried and executed by the Poles after the war. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:04 PST 1996 Article: 84264 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <584mgg$hkt@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:21:33 GMT Lines: 66 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make ## this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there ## are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau ## gas chambers. # I always admitted this as well, so why are you deliberately posting # misleading remarks, Doctor Keren? The minute compounds found # in the walls at Auschwitz Birkenau were very minute and certainly not # evidence that millions of people were murdered there. Rubbish. The compounds are not "minute", and are certainly consistent with homicidal gassing. Delousing will indeed produce a larger amount of compounds, because it takes a much longer time, but the amounts in the gas chambers are certainly consistent with homicidal gassing. # The compounds were consistent with the general practice of the # Nazis to delouse all areas regularly with Zyklon B. Nope. Many samples in the camp were negative. ## This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2 ## for which there is forensic evidence. ## There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of ## Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians ## after the war. # Only the reports of the German Red Cross at the time According to "revisionists", such reports don't count. Also, they don't serve as forensic evidence. # along with a score of photos.... Photos of what? Photos of 3 million corpses? You have ZERO forensic evidence. ZERO. According to your standards, this mass death of German civilians after the war never took place. # where are your photos of a gas chamber in action Right here (from the well-known gassing in Mogilev, supervised by Arthur Nebe and Dr. Widmann). I'm trying to find better copies, though, than the poor xerox copies I have. Now, let's see. You claim that millions of German civilians were murdered after the war. Another common claim is that millions of German women were raped by Soviets soldiers. Now, I'm not into this habit of yours of spitting on graves and of mocking the memory of the dead, so I won't say it never happened. However, do you have photographs of these events? If not, according to your own standards, they never took place. # The bodies we see in certain photos from Auschwitz died # as a result of the many dangerous epidemics which spread # throughout the camp. You were not there, yet you know more than every person who was there what happened? Is this a joke? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:05 PST 1996 Article: 84265 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'Some bodies fell out' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57si5p$fbg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <5824qv$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:30:42 GMT Lines: 16 Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered [Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54] ------------------------------------------------------------------- I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place, where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see that the people were dead. The van was opened. Some bodies fell out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:06 PST 1996 Article: 84268 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32a2df3e.351684@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:35:24 GMT Lines: 22 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Even though the 1944 photograph shows Treblinka to be nothing # more than a clearing, agriculture, some trees and three or four # buildings, Could this have anything to do with the fact that the camp was partially destroyed in the sonderkommando rebellion, and then dismantled (in 1943)? What about the huge amounts of human remains and ashes in the camp? # Holocaust accounting has it the camp was over-run by the # Soviets while it was still in full operation. You're either hallucinating, or confusing it with Maidanek. Treblinka was dismantled long before the Soviets occupied the area. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:07 PST 1996 Article: 84284 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Good Old Days-Pogrom at Kaunas Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a68dbb.22013216@news.uniserve.com> <19961206105100.FAA18719@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:36:03 GMT Lines: 12 tutu101@aol.com writes: # I find it curious that the more effective a person's post # is, the more they are insulted. You are a very nice person and we all love you. :-) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:08 PST 1996 Article: 84286 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Mass Murder in BELSEN Camp (Re: 'Some bodies fell out') Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net> <588ij6$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:38:22 GMT Lines: 33 The following photos are in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/ Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz and Belsen). http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/ Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of corpses in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/ Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz II (Birkenau) and later Belsen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 09:54:09 PST 1996 Article: 84289 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Dr. Becker Implements National Socialism Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <581v3s$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <588kf6$eij@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:39:50 GMT Lines: 42 Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942 [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even camouflaged... Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading. Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be issued accordingly. The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 17:12:48 PST 1996 Article: 84350 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a7265a.11505015@news.demon.co.uk> <32a70328.56592852@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:11:16 GMT Lines: 95 p@q.r (Advance) writes [to me]: # Another lie but then, please provide a copy of the email and # a POC at your ISP for verification, please. This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. # From mgiwer@gte.net Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996 # Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) # id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500 # Received: from LOCALNAME (tpm228028.gte.net [207.115.228.28]) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via SMTP id EAA11366; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600 # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600 # Message-Id: <199611181009.EAA11366@mail.gte.net> # X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net # X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 # Mime-Version: 1.0 # Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" # To: root@world.std.com # From: Matt Giwer # Subject: spamming # # Would you please ask your user to stop spamming the alt.revisionism # conference with holocaust material? It would be much appreciated. Although # this is clearly an unmoderated conference, his spams are making it unusable # for its intended purpose. This is but one of many examples. # # This has gone on for over a year now since I first started objecting # to his spamming. I have previously limited it to public posting in the # newsgroup. At this point I know that the patience of many of the users of # the conference are losing patience with his spamming and have suggested # returning his spams to his provider also. # # Why not save yourself some hassle and try to slow him down? Just an # attempt to help out here. # # Thank you for your time. # # Newsgroups: alt.revisionism # Path: news1.gte.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren # From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) # Subject: 'the thirty to forty women were dead' # Message-ID: # # # -Danny Keren. # --------------------------------------------------------------- # Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website. # # http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/ # Commentary from the right side of the curve # Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/ (tips and tricks for webs) # http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising) # http://www2.combase.com/~matt/ (my son) # http://www2.combase.com/~matt/mega/ (for internet advertising) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 7 17:12:48 PST 1996 Article: 84354 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Pederasty Allegation: Drop It (was Re: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To?) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32A58F0C.3B56@rio.com> <588kto$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a96b3a.2742582@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32A849AF.32BF@rio.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:52:36 GMT Lines: 23 I have to agree with Chuck Ferre on this one, for the following reasons: 1) The messages posted on alt.acadia, trolling for teenagers, were posted from "rblackmore's" account. The default assumption is that if messages are posted from X's account, X posted them. More so because, usually, if someone is posting from the account of someone else, he/she will add something like "I am not this and that, I'm really <...>, using this account". Nothing like was posted as I recall. 2) I see no reason to believe anything from "rblackmore". The man's clearly a revolting liar, and I can easily demonstrate this by using his articles on alt.revisionism. I see no reason to believe his claim that someone else posted these messages from his account, unless he proves it to us. Note that he offered no proof. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 8 12:02:08 PST 1996 Article: 84474 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a826d8.5112089@news.gte.net> <58db8m$s0k$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:27:55 GMT Lines: 22 gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: # Mr. Giwer would just love to have Dr. Keren post Giwer's e-mail # bomb, so he could run to Dr. Keren's ISP and accuse him of # polluting the Internet. There seems to be a confusion here. Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail bomb to Mr. McVay a few months ago. As a result, he got the boot from netcom. As I recall, Giwer claimed the e-mail bomb was really a reply to something Mr. McVay asked him. More recently, in the spirit of supporting free speech, Giwer sent an abusive e-mail to my ISP, demanding to limit my postings on alt.revisionism, and added the threat that if my ISP does not comply, he will be e-bombed. I posted this mail from Giwer a few times already, including twice today. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 8 12:02:09 PST 1996 Article: 84478 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism..... Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57bhvc$jj3@usenet80.supernews.com> <32a829a5.5829190@news.gte.net> <32A8C326.62A1@umich.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:22:02 GMT Lines: 34 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.abortion:193240 alt.abortion.inequity:61215 alt.revisionism:84478 [Followup = alt.revisionism] olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: # It is defamatory to claim that the whole of Europe was # responsible for what these Germans did or did not do. Who's making that claim? ## If the Holocaust were truly a manufactured event, why didn't ## the Germans point this out? # Because they were not allowed to. The Nuremberg court was # kangaroo court. Stop with this foolishness. The war trials held by the Allies were not, at any rate, a "kangaroo court", except for in the demented minds of Holocaust deniers and other Nazi kooks. A common claim you crazies make is "there was no cross- examination of witnesses in those trials". How odd. I have "The Belsen Trial" with me, and every witness is cross- examined. Care to explain? Bet you'll explain it just after you explain your argument as for why it would have been "difficult" to cremate many corpses in Auschwitz-Birkenau. You said that the corpses would "violently explode" in the furnaces, damaging them... You're a nut, Kreiberg. Live with it. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:40 PST 1996 Article: 84521 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!visi.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32a76498.7982195@news.gte.net> <32a8ce91.3025873@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:28:36 GMT Lines: 48 p@q.r (Advance) writes: # No one says it. There are no such sings in the aerial # photo. No signs to what? # Once soil is disturbed to the point of mixing topsoil # with lower soil, as has to happen in laying the foundations # of buildings as much as in removing them, the fertility of # that mixed soil is different. How is it different? Can you prove this claim? How exactly is it relevant to what we're discussing here? # It takes YEARS for the soil to return to the local average. Says who? # And until the fertility is the same the pattern of # vegetation shows the difference in fertility. Says who? # The aerial photos of course, pages 84 and 85 on Ball's book. # Shall I scan them in and post them here? Sure, why not? I looked at Ball's web site. The man obviously cannot handle third-grade arithmetic. I'll post more on this soon. # The photos are still the photos. ALL OF THE WITNESSES # claiming to describe it and what happened there clearly lied. Go ahead. Prove it to us. But don't use arguments like the senile, unemployed Matt Giwer uses (see below). You know him, BTW? -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:41 PST 1996 Article: 84572 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!voskovec.radio.cz!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Schwarzhuber Testifies About Ravensbrueck Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:10:46 GMT Lines: 29 SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Johann Schwarzhuber testifies about gassing in the Ravensbrueck concentration camp [Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 187] ----------------------------------------------------------------- At the end of February 1945 I was called with Dr. Trommer to the office of the camp commandant, Sturmbannfuehrer Suhren. Suhren informed us that he had received an order from Reichsfuehrer Himmler to liquidate all the women who were sick or unable to walk. Before giving us this information, he asked us how many sick women there were in the camp. I explained to the commandant that I had been glad to leave Auschwitz and would not like to repeat that experience. He then told me that Sturmbannfuehrer Sauer, deputy to the camp commandant, had been put in charge of the execution. . . . I witnessed a gassing. A hundred and fifty women, all at once, were pushed into the gas chamber. Hauptscharfuehrer Moll ordered the women to undress and told them that a delousing was going to take place. They were then pushed into the chamber, and the door was bolted. A male prisoner, wearing a gas mask, climbed up onto the roof and, through an opening which he closed again immediately afterward, threw a can of gas into the room. I heard groans and moans. After two or three minutes, there was silence in the chamber. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:41 PST 1996 Article: 84592 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann Testifies About Auschwitz Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:19:08 GMT Lines: 12 Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz [Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1] --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in advance. It was determined by the need for workers. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:42 PST 1996 Article: 84593 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Dr. Klein Testifies About Auschwitz Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:17:39 GMT Lines: 16 Testimony of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Fritz Klein [Quoted in "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949.p. 717] ---------------------------------------------------------------- When transports arrived at Auschwitz it was the doctor's job to pick out those who were unfit or unable to work. These included children, old people and the sick. I have seen the gas chambers and crematoria at Auschwitz, and I knew that those I selected were to go to the gas chamber. But I only acted on orders given to me by Dr. Wirtz. . . . I never protested against people being sent to the gas chambers, although I never agreed. One cannot protest when in the army. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:42 PST 1996 Article: 84603 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a98322.129732@199.0.216.204> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:22:56 GMT Lines: 23 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: [fascinating stories deleted] # Ah yes, good old photographic evidence. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/ http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/ -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:43 PST 1996 Article: 84616 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a7265a.11505015@news.demon.co.uk> <32ad0c6b.10517074@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:14:03 GMT Lines: 45 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # WE do not know this. It has been claimed. It has been proved. # IT HAS BEEN CLAIMED that Mr Giwer sent an e-mail bomb. However, # this claim has been refuted by Mr Giwer. No. He admitted to having sent a 5-meg e-mail. He justified it, as I recall, as being a response to one of Mr. McVay's questions. # Apparently he does not. See his follow up to your posting # in this thread. What he has asked you for in the form of # evidence for the claim you are repeating would be most welcome. No, you're talking about something different, namely, the e-mail Giwer sent to my ISP. He demanded that my postings be limited, and warned my ISP that he will be e-mail bombed if he doesn't comply. I posted that e-mail a few times. If you missed it, I'll post it again. # Come on Danny, I think you have to agree that it is more than an # assumption that SS (alias Monica) does not like Matt Giwer. I don't like him either. The question is, however, did he violate Internet ethics? He obviously did. # However, more to the point: Do you consider it an act worthy of # termination of service? You mean posting articles made to look as if someone else posted them? Sure, it's an act worthy of termination of service. # Danny, there are other groups who believe all that you know - the # Christians and the Moslems. Rest assured , you are not alone in # your mistaken beliefs. What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't know what you're talking about. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:44 PST 1996 Article: 84617 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: The Soviet movie Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32ab74ec.13711202@news.gte.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:14:31 GMT Lines: 5 Where can one find this movie? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:45 PST 1996 Article: 84618 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <58bpi5$id@juliana.sprynet.com> <58ejem$p29@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32ab9d76.24089940@news.gte.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:24:22 GMT Lines: 29 minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes: # No bodies. No ashes. No holocaust. Two major problems here: 1) Numerous corpses and human remains (including ashes) were found. See, for instance: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images 2) According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of these events. Neither can you show us one - ONE - corpse of someone who died in the bombing of Dresden. According to your own standards, the city was never bombed. It is really very simple. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 05:18:45 PST 1996 Article: 84619 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism..... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57bhvc$jj3@usenet80.supernews.com> <32ab7a79.15133045@news.gte.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:04:59 GMT Lines: 41 minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes: [to me] # As you know, no physical evidence of mass extermination was ever # introduced and all testimony regarding it was without foundation. The physical evidence includes: 1) Many documents and photographs. 2) Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls. 3) Numerous corpses and huge amounts of human remains in some of the camps. So, there is far greater physical evidence to the Holocaust than for, say, Stalin's atrocities. # BTW: If this was a fair trial without intimidation of pressure # upon the defendants, why were their families arrested? Sigh. I quote here many witnesses. If you know of one case of a witness I quote whose family was arrested, tell us about it. # And while we are at it, do you consider it "fair" for the allies to # introduce into evidence against the defendents a movie for which some # two hundred men were dressed in Soviet uniforms and murdered? I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a recent discovery from Zundel's South-Pole UFO base? -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 08:05:51 PST 1996 Article: 84627 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!erix.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news.nacamar.de!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a98322.129732@199.0.216.204> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 11:35:00 GMT Lines: 14 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: # Moran is here bragging about how he was able to beat # traffic tickets. Goes to prove we Jooooos don't control the courts yet. Yo! McOyVay! We can take back the yacht, you "renegade shaboz goy", you! :-) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 9 16:04:15 PST 1996 Article: 84691 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.belnet.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!swidir.switch.ch!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <588joj$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a9c757.2041891@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:55:02 GMT Lines: 105 somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes: # Noting that Keren is one whose smoke doesn't go to the top of his # chimney, it is not surprising that he has refused to post this # threat he claims was made. Yet again, here's the e-mail the senile drunkard sent to my ISP. It's no wonder that the drunkard, after denying events that took place 50-60 years ago, now denies what happened a few weeks ago. I guess this is the "new revisionism"? What's next? Denying events BEFORE they happen? :-) This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. # From mgiwer@gte.net Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996 # Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) # id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500 # Received: from LOCALNAME (tpm228028.gte.net [207.115.228.28]) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via SMTP id EAA11366; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600 # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600 # Message-Id: <199611181009.EAA11366@mail.gte.net> # X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net # X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 # Mime-Version: 1.0 # Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" # To: root@world.std.com # From: Matt Giwer # # # -Danny Keren. # --------------------------------------------------------------- # Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website. # # http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/ # Commentary from the right side of the curve # Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/ (tips and tricks for webs) # http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising) # http://www2.combase.com/~matt/ (my son) # http://www2.combase.com/~matt/mega/ (for internet advertising) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:21 PST 1996 Article: 84739 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32a2df3e.351684@199.0.216.204> <32a9ce90.3890777@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:49:40 GMT Lines: 32 somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes: [to me] # You have claimed a few samples (far from huge) in one # incredible description. "incredible description"? Lay off the cheap wine, jobless one. # Yet there is no sign of the thousands of tons of remains # that are required to match the lies the witnesses told. The volume over which ashes were found is entirely consistent with the number of victims. If you could handle third-grade arithmetic, you would realize that. But, just like John Ball, you cannot; more to follow. # That is another lie told by the witnesses. The aerial photo # shows not the least sign of this. Not the least sign of what? -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:22 PST 1996 Article: 84775 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:12:20 GMT Lines: 94 Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench [Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. VIII, p. 313-321] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived? A. I had already heard about extermination camps, and particularly extermination camps for Jews, through reports over the Swiss radio that I listened to regularly in the preceding years, but since I considered this news to be propaganda, I did not believe it at the time, because the facts that were being described seemed too terribly outrageous to me. When I arrived in Auschwitz, and had to convince myself personally that these reports were not exaggerated, I was very much shaken emotionally. . . . Q. Mr. witness, you were informed about the fact that human beings were gassed at Auschwitz? A. Yes. . . . Q. Mr. witness, for what reason did you not spread the fact that human beings were being gassed and exterminated? A. I was asked this very often and also before the Supreme Court of Cracow, and I can say in answer to it that that would have been a completely useless undertaking which would have very shortly caused me and my family to be liquidated very quickly, because the Gestapo was so well organized and the threats for nonobservance of the secrecy that surrounded the Auschwitz exterminations were so clearly worded for members of the SS that everybody avoided telling even his closest friend about it, because experience taught us that anybody who talked about it in any way was very quickly found because the Gestapo sniffed out every rumor very consistently that spread about Auschwitz. . . . Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things? A. I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp, and I was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it masterfully to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the people being guided around did not see anything about inhuman treatment. The main camp was shown only and in this main camp there were so-called show blocks, particularly block 13, that were especially prepared for such guided tours and that were equipped like a normal soldier's barracks with beds that had sheets on them, and well-functioning washrooms. . . . Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human beings? A. Yes, I saw one gassing at one time. . . . Q. Mr. witness, you testified a little earlier that those who were sick in the camps, like in concentration camp Monowitz, would be sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, but I wasn't quite clear as to why they were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. I'd like to put just a question or two to you on that. Mr. witness, those people who were in the hospital at Monowitz and were shipped to Auschwitz-Birkenau because of an edema or phlegmon, for what purpose were they shipped to Birkenau? A. As far as these people were Jews, I must state that most of them were gassed. Q. And, Mr. witness, if they were sent from the hospital in Monowitz to Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they were Jews; and they were sent because of weakness and collapse, why were they sent to Birkenau? A. Also to be gassed. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996 Article: 84820 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: never trust a confession Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57t2sc$1eoe$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <32a628d0.697822@news.gte.net> <32ac5004.37454675@news.gte.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:43:46 GMT Lines: 38 minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes: # The arial photos contradict all of the perjuring # witness claims. What "arial photos" contradict what the witnesses claim? I have yet to see one. You're simply inventing these preposterous claims. Worse, you just quote what John Ball - a man who cannot handle third-grade arithmetic - claims. # No significant quantity of human remains have ever been found, In Treblinka, over a large area, up to a depth of 7.5 meters. That's not a "significant quantity"? # Only one building that is so identified and it had a # delousing chamber in it, as per the archives opened by Russia. Please don't tell me you're now claiming LK I was a delousing chamber? What about all the other chambers? Why do the documents mention "gassing cellar", and "gas chamber"? # Sorry about that, "some" is not ten thousand mass graves. As noted, it is not a realistic demand that ALL the corpses of the victims to a genocide will be produced, to prove that the genocide took place. Following that "logic", it is impossible to prove any genocide took place. # They are not found while the mass graves filled by Stalin # are found regularly. Rubbish. Show us 10 million corpses. Go ahead. Show us the corpses from Dresden. Go ahead. You can't. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996 Article: 84829 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Jew Admits: "Yeah. We Control Media. What of it?" Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <58dgq6$ql8@news.enter.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:09:05 GMT Lines: 25 On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Doc Tavish wrote: [bla-bla-bla] ## yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: ## Marty Kelley writes: [Lists of films in which Jews are portrayed in a negative fashion, in response to "Doc Tavish" who posted this never happens] I would also add "Carlito's Way", with Al Pacino. The Jewish lawyer (Sean Penn) is one of the most evil characters ever to appear in a movie. # If anyone of you Yids can tell all of us one movie that shows # me wrong I will lick the floors of the Jew Simon Weaselthal # Center clean with my tongue. You do that, nazi-boy. But wash your tongue first. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 09:31:41 PST 1996 Article: 84860 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: none Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <199612100042.QAA29104@mailmasher.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:33:59 GMT Lines: 29 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:84860 alt.censorship:111901 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38404 alt.politics.white-power:51713 [Followup = alt.revisionism] seneca writes: # Ernst Zundel must be the most courageous man on Earth. Ernst Zundel called to ban the TV series "Holocaust". Ernst Zundel called to ban the movie "Schindler's List". Yet, he claims to support free speech. In addition to denying the Holocaust, Ernst Zundel also claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich using "secret UFO's", and that they flew them into the center of the earth via a "hole in the South-Pole". He also wrote that he met some of the "German scientists" who "designed and built" the UFO's. He asked people to give him money, to support an expedition to find the UFO base. All this is well-documented. You can find it all, in Zundel's own publications, in Nizkor's site. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:43 PST 1996 Article: 84878 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murdered Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:39:03 GMT Lines: 26 Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia, to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland, 31 July 1942 [Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193] --------------------------------------------------------- During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000 Jews, etc., were liquidated. [...] In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and 29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women, and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996 Article: 84879 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Goebbels Writes that 60 Percent of the Jews Will Be Liquidated Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:41:36 GMT Lines: 16 The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942: [The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, p. 147-148] ----------------------------------------------------------- Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government [Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996 Article: 84880 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32b3e937.20955535@199.0.216.204> <32b033ef.1222136@199.0.216.204> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:05:41 GMT Lines: 24 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Nope. The testimonial evidence for the Holocaust has it # Treblinka was over run while it was still in full bloom. # Nizkor files/Old Frogs Almanac. Where? Which files? What is the original source quoted in these files? You have to be more specific. There are many files in the site you mention. # Treblinka never was a "camp" of any kind. Tommy, you can't just say such things and expect to be taken seriously by any rational person, more so as you offer no support whatsoever for your claim. When you were a five-year-old, you could just say things, and that would be ok; that's what five-year-olds do. But you're now sixty-years-old, right? You have to try and justify your claims. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 13:34:05 PST 1996 Article: 84911 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57njvc$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com> <32ac49c5.35855589@news.gte.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:11:13 GMT Lines: 38 minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes: # What facts? You appear to be pointing to testimony # manufactured by the Soviets. What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please. What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German courts? # Do not forget that the Soviets went so far as to build a # guillotine and kill a couple hundred people with it just # to create evidence against the Nazis. You're really crazy, aren't you? Can you tell us, perhaps, where this "guillotine" can be found? Seek medical help, Matt. And get a job. Too much time at home with noting to do, drives ya crazy. # The bottle? Would you care to explain how that libel, # even if true, would have any bearing upon what is posted? It obviously influences what you write. See the example below. Only someone who's either drunk, insane, or both, would write something like that. -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996 Article: 85004 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32a2df3e.351684@199.0.216.204> <32b9491a.6640926@199.0.216.204> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:29 GMT Lines: 23 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings. So, that's the new "revisionist breakthrough"? First, to claim that there was a camp, but that it was a "transit camp"; and next, to claim there was nothing at all? Incredible, I tell you, incredible. # Nizkor "treblinka .02" quotes from the "Old Frogs # Almanac" - "When the Russians took over the Treblinka # complex and the nearly dead survivors ... there was no # lack of physical evidence". If your quote is accurate, this is, indeed, a mistake on the part of the person who wrote this for Nizkor. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996 Article: 85009 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32ab9d76.24089940@news.gte.net> <32ac4021.33387589@news.gte.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:30:12 GMT Lines: 38 minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities ## never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians ## after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of ## these events. # As I have noted many times, the graves of those who died in # Stalin's overt actions such as mass starvation are well known and # marked. As to his "knock in the middle of the night" executions, # those graves are regularly found. This is, plain and simple, garbage. You know very well that you cannot show us the graves of 10 million Soviets who died under Stalin's rule; you know very well that you cannot show us the graves of the 2-3 million German civilians who allegedly died after WW2. You're lying through your teeth. # I have pointed this out to you so many times that every lurker # must have read it at least five times and five times noted that # you never respond to it. I responded each and every time, by saying that you're lying, and that these graves cannot be found. I also keep asking you to tell us where these graves and these corpses are, but you never do; like some lame-brained parrot, you keep saying they exist, but never tell us where. Are you, FINALLY, ready to tell us where these graves are? If you don't, then you must realize that you have "proved" that not is the Holocaust a "hoax", but that Stalin's atrocities, the deaths in Dresden etc are also a "hoax". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:01 PST 1996 Article: 85148 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a57b0e.23196145@news.gte.net> <32a7265a.11505015@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:50:41 GMT Lines: 49 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # As has been exhaustively discussed already, we outsiders do not # know all the details of all the events concerned. A great deal of # speculation and claims from supposedly injured parties. No proof # of anything. Not true. We know, for instance, that Giwer sent an e-mail bomb to Ken McVay, and that this was the reason netcom gave him the boot. Mr. McVay posted the URL with the mailbomb that Giwer sent him. Giwer admitted to having sent it. Good enough for you? # You complained about Mr Giwer to Gate Net. NOT because of your # allegations that he has sworn at you but because you don't like # him. That is your assumption. An objective person would conclude that she - and others - complained because Giwer forged articles to make them appear as if other posters to the group wrote them. For instance, he forged articles to make them appear as if I wrote them. He put "dkaren@world.std.com" in the author field, in a lame and infantile attempt to defend himself from complaints, as my real e-address is "dkeren@world.std.com". # No one wants to silence him? No one wants to silence him? No. People want him to stop forging and to stop sending e-mail bombs. Is this so hard to understand? # How much more wanting to silence him can YOU get? What a # bloody liar you are! You're the bloody liar here, old chap. Now, if you care about freedom of speech, tell us why Giwer sent mail to my ISP, demanding to close my account and threatening that he (my ISP) will be bombed with e-mails if he doesn't? # now all you need to do is realise that the Commandments # were not Jewish, that the original of Moses was NOT a Jew # and that Noah was not a Jew either, or even real. Oh, no! Please! Fergus, you can't do this to us! Please! Have mercy on us poor Jews... PLEASE!! :-) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:02 PST 1996 Article: 85189 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32ad0c6b.10517074@news.demon.co.uk> <32add30c.85919@pubnews.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:10:38 GMT Lines: 68 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: [To me] # Aha! So, now you are saying that Mr Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail # to McVay and _gave a reason_. Not the same as a mail bomb at all. As I recall, he simply collected everything he ever posted into a huge file, and bombed Mr. McVay's account with it. This is harassment, plain and simple; sending someone 5 megs of e-mail is harassment, there is no other name for it. [About Giwer's e-mail to my ISP] # I found it very polite and well written. I found it an abuse and a threat: to tell my ISP that he should limit my postings, otherwise he'll be e-bombed with copies of my articles. You can call it what you like; I really don't care too much. Everyone will read the e-mail and decide for himself. # This reminds me of when you claimed that Mr Giwer threatened # to kill you based on a posting when he spoke of being in combat # with you in the same army. It is such an unlikely circumstance # that it cannot be taken as a threat. It doesn't matter. What matters is the principle. Giwer's principle, outlined in that threat, is that I cannot be trusted to be a loyal American citizen; and that, under certain circumstances, I should be killed without trial - and all this, because my opinion on a certain historical event is different from his. If you think that's ok - fine. It's your right. Again, everyone will decide for himself. We are constantly told by "revisionists" that one should not be judged by his opinion on historical events. And here's a very active "revisionist", who keeps referring to me as a "traitorous scum", and threatens to kill me, the only reason being that my opinion on a historical event is different from his. You don't see a problem with that - fine. ## What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't ## know what you're talking about. # So, if you are a Jew, you believe that Moses was a Jew who was # found in the bullrushes, went up a mountain and got some laws from # a god. You also believe that Noah was a Jew who built an ark and # filled it with animals and survived a great flood. Just for the record, I don't think it says anywhere in the Old Testament that Noah was a Jew, and I can't see how that could be possible, as he lived long before Abraham, who was the first Hebrew. Do I believe all these things? No. They are mythology. There's Hindu mythology, Moslem mythology, Christian mythology, and also Jewish mythology. # If you do not believe these things, then how can you be a Jew? I couldn't care less whether you, or anyone else for that matter, classifies me as a Jew or not. No offense intended; it's a statement of fact. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:03 PST 1996 Article: 85193 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.music.black-metal,alt.religion.christian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.religion.scientology,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.na Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: WHY WE HATE CHRISTIANS, a petition Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3272FCD8.152C@er4.eng.ohio-state.edu> <32ad01e9.696723@news.gte.net> <58kc2a$bel@news.enter.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:15:15 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:19004 alt.thrash:11478 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:29531 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:34904 alt.religion.christian:158105 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:423232 alt.religion.scientology:219254 alt.revisionism:85193 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38569 [Followup = alt.revisionism] wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes: # minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote: ## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally ## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather ## than reason. # the holocaust numbers are exaggerated? says who? Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason, chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement of their Fuehrer. They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men who wrote them. Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane; some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:03 PST 1996 Article: 85211 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32ac49c5.35855589@news.gte.net> <32ad72c9.29592052@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:39:17 GMT Lines: 30 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please. # The guillotine and the baskets full of heads and the fresh corpses # in the movie of course. What movie? What corpses? Why do you assume the Soviets did it, if anything like this ever took place? Methinks you're hallucinating. ## What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German ## courts? # Perhaps, like Goring, their wives and children had been # arrested to send them a message. "Perhaps"? "Perhaps"?? It doesn't work that way. If you have any evidence whatsoever that anything like that was done, present it. I repeat: find one single example among all the testimonies I post here in which the family of the witness was harassed in any way whatsoever. If you can't, stop lying about it. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:56:09 PST 1996 Article: 38583 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.thrash,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.music.black-metal,alt.religion.christian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.religion.scientology,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.music.jewish,rec.music.christian,alt.bible,alt.fan.jesus-christ,talk.origins,talk.religion.misc,alt.activism,alt.anarchism,alt.apocalypse Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: WHY WE HATE CHRISTIANS, a petition Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3272FCD8.152C@er4.eng.ohio-state.edu> <32ad01e9.696723@news.gte.net> <58kc2a$bel@news.enter.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:17:36 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:19006 alt.thrash:11479 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:29533 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:34906 alt.religion.christian:158137 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:423278 alt.religion.scientology:219270 alt.revisionism:85230 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38583 alt.music.jewish:2683 rec.music.christian:83847 alt.fan.jesus-christ:12917 talk.origins:168833 talk.religion.misc:166245 alt.activism:104241 [Followup = alt.revisionism] wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes: # minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote: ## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally ## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather ## than reason. # the holocaust numbers are exaggerated? says who? Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason, chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement of their Fuehrer. They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men who wrote them. Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane; some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 06:05:37 PST 1996 Article: 119417 of alt.conspiracy Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demjanjuk: Can His Defenders Document Their Claims? Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32ad8c80.4651543@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:02:44 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.ukrainian:18507 soc.culture.baltics:14670 soc.culture.israel:52872 soc.culture.jewish:99357 alt.conspiracy:119417 alt.revisionism:85226 [Followup = alt.revisionism] minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # Survivors of a camp with exactly five rather small buildings So, you're saying Treblinka had buildings? You "revisionists" should decide. Tom Moran just posted it had no buildings whatsoever. # and no signs of anything else of interest that is. Except for human remains and ashes, over a large area, up to a depth of 7 meters, as post-war excavations have discovered. But you know that, don't you? But then, what can one expect from someone who said that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men who wrote them? You "revisionists" are really something, Matt. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:01 PST 1996 Article: 85224 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a98322.129732@199.0.216.204> <32abdf7d.820909@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:29:34 GMT Lines: 33 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: [About photographs taken at Nazi camps after the liberation] # Photos of dead victims to Typhus because of # the break down in German supply at the end of the war. Not typhus; most of them were starved to death. Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10 percent per month, as early as 1942, long before this "break down in German supply at the end of the war"? Why wasn't the death rate for other categories of prisoners, such as Allied POW's, even close to that of the Jewish inmates? About 3 percent of the Allied POW's died, during the whole campaign. Why didn't this "break down in German supply at the end of the war" affect them? Answer: very simple. They were not classified as "sub-humans" by the Nazis, and were treated reasonably well. Why weren't the Belsen inmates given water? The Nazis also ran out of water? Oh, sure "the water pump broke down". Was there any mass death among German civilians due to "water pumps breaking down"? You really think that anyone but your Nazi cohorts will accept your lame apologetics for this mass murder? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:04 PST 1996 Article: 85225 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course! Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <01bbe62c$5b093460$4ed0d6cc@tstedham.dbtech.net> <01bbe6ce$cad615e0$4fd0d6cc@tstedham.dbtech.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:44:04 GMT Lines: 31 "Thomas Stedham" writes: # Useless? EXCUSE ME, Daniel, but the jew writer, Deborah # Lipstadt, in her book _Denying the Holocaust_, which I have in # front of me, says on page 188 (bottom footnote): QUOTE *The # memorial stone at Auschwitz lists the number of victims of the # camp at 4 million. Victims. Not "Jewish victims". The number of non-Jewish victims was indeed inflated by the Poles and the Soviets. I believe one reason may well have been a cynical attempt to turn what was (in Auschwitz) mostly a Jewish tragedy, into a "universal tragedy". # "No such plaque existed, Mr. Stedham. Perhaps you are confused # about what you have read." # # Can you believe this? This guy has the balls to say that no # plaque existed at Auschwitz!! No plaque giving the figure of four million *Jews*. # Deborah, you are lying, according to this guy! You jews at # Nizkor should coordinate your lies a little better... No. Nazis should learn to read. That would solve the problem. However, it seems that the smart Nazis already gave up. Only the stupid ones remain. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:05 PST 1996 Article: 85227 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32a8ce91.3025873@news.gte.net> <32b1e4a1.2136582@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:34:42 GMT Lines: 22 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Mr.Keren, the 1944 photos show nothing more than expanded # agriculture in the area and a few buildings, while Holocaust # allegations are that the Soviets arrived at the camp while # it was still in full operation. Any comment? I commented already. The camp was dismantled long before the Soviets occupied the area. The person who claimed otherwise made a mistake; possibly, confusing Treblinka with another camp, perhaps Auschwitz or Maidanek, in which the Soviets did find some survivors. People make mistakes, Tommy. Like "leading revisionist scholar" Matt Giwer, who claimed Belsen camp was in Poland. If Giwer, with his self-claimed IQ of 163, can make such mistakes, what do you expect from us poor mortals? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:07 PST 1996 Article: 85228 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Descriptors Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a9cca8.3402603@news.gte.net> <32b45d05.16774550@nntp.netcruiser> <32ac9aab.11574894@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:53:48 GMT Lines: 16 Matt, how about "a few IQ points short of a job"? Matt, why can't you find a job? Matt, if you're so smart, why have you been unemployed since you were 46-years-old? Is it because you cannot handle third-grade arithmetic? Examples to this abound, and I'll be happy to supply them, as you know well. But maybe you should lower your expectations? Aim for something realistic? Everything beats being a leech, right? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:08 PST 1996 Article: 85229 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32b9491a.6640926@199.0.216.204> <32ae194c.59938773@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:26:13 GMT Lines: 17 It's impossible to carry on like this. While the "leading Holocaust revisionist" Matt Giwer, says that there were buildings in Treblinka, his esteemed colleague, Tom Moran, said there were no buildings there whatsoever. Last time there was a disagreement in the "revisionist movement", it resulted in a fistfight, in which "leading revisionists" like Willis Carto, Mark Weber, Greg Raven etc. beat the crap out of each other in the IHR office in CA. God forbid - will we witness such a battle between Moran and Giwer? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:09 PST 1996 Article: 85236 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Crematorium logistics Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b2412f.4614359@199.0.216.204> <19961211081300.DAA16694@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:46:38 GMT Lines: 41 dvdthomas@aol.com writes: # One note--the marks on the roofs that are said to have been # Zyklon-B entry ports--their locations do not agree with the # (altered) aerial photos by a considerable margin. I have often heard this claim, but have never seen any proof whatsoever for it. Can you possibly elaborate? Don't forget that the building was dynamited and that the roof is broken and collapsed. # They were crudely and clumsily hacked through the concrete # _after_ the explosions which destroyed much but not all of the # structure. Yet again, a factual claim for which you offer no proof and no evidence whatsoever. # Further, it becomes obvious that their present symmetrical # arrangement was made after an interior room was added # (post-war) and that the holes were placed in undamaged # portions of the roof. Ah. It seems you're confusing Krema I with Krema II and III, as Krema I was not dynamited. Your argument is therefore totally and completely useless. # And there's a lot more to come that should make for interesting # discussions. You mean in the "Rudolph report"? Is Rudolph the same nut who suggested that the victims in the gas chambers would have captured the Zyklon-B pellets and hurl them back at the SS-men? Can't you people have some professional go over what you write, and screen out the REALLY insane portions? He could start by erasing everything that Giwer posts... :-) -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:10 PST 1996 Article: 85238 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32ac4021.33387589@news.gte.net> <32aee191.28033445@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:10:01 GMT Lines: 51 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: [To me] # Although I doubt you would be interested in joining me on a # graveyard tour of the Ukraine, you are suggesting that those # who died were not buried. What, other than being eaten, do # you suggest was done with the bodies? In other words, you're backing down from your claim, which was that you know where the graves are. According to your "revisionist" logic, you have to show us ten million graves of victims to Stalinist terror. I am asking you, yet again: where are these graves? # And yes, you can also tour the Gulags and find those gravesites # also. Same question. Show us ten million graves or admit that, according to your "revisionist logic", this genocide in the gulags never took place. # As for the Germans after WW II, I have not addressed that subject # one way or the other. Evasion. Are you saying that your fellow "revisionists" who constantly make such claims, are lying? # Certainly there are more than 3 million post 1945 graves in # Germany, I would suggest on the order of 40 million. Sigh. Yet another evasion. Show us the graves of these alleged 3 million victims. ## Are you, FINALLY, ready to tell us where these graves are? # As above. Where did you expect them to be? WHERE? According to your "revisionist logic", you have to tell us WHERE. It's not enough to claim they exist. What about Dresden? According to your "revisionist logic", you HAVE to show us tens-of-thousands of corpses of the aerial attack on the city - otherwise, you have to admit the story is a hoax. Don't blame me, if this sounds absurd; this is what you say. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 11:57:15 PST 1996 Article: 85277 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-tokyo.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: never trust a confession Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57t2sc$1eoe$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <32ac5004.37454675@news.gte.net> <32aefe64.846833@news.gte.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:17:38 GMT Lines: 32 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # Pages 79-87 of Air Photo Evidence by Ball. Post them. I looked at Ball's web site. The man cannot handle third-grade arithmetic (see later post, maybe today). # Not to account for 2000 tons and 3500 cubic yards. You said a few days ago "tens-of-thousands of tons". Now it's down to 2,000 tons. Good. # As you recall, given the size of the disturbed soil, that means # it would be half bone ash. "Half"? What?? How on earth do you derive this figure? LEARN some arithmetic, Matt, for God's sake. # You claim a few samples of bone and hair were found. No. I claim that large quantities were found, up to depth of 7 meters, over a large area. This is not "a few samples". # I said, delousing chamber in it. You can read? In WHAT? In LK 1? Are you suggesting that LK 1 had a delousing chamber in it? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:41 PST 1996 Article: 85808 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: BREAKTHROUGH! BREAKTHROUGH! (Re: 'Howeve Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32b31564.40845806@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32b19720.4842242@news.gte.net> <32b2135c.9034320@news.micron.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:41:32 GMT Lines: 20 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # Danny fancies that by denying the occurrence of the Civil # War or Dresden that Danny is thereby "getting revenge" # on revisionists. The response: who cares. Danny doesn't # help fill the Schmuckocaust's evidentiary void one iota by # his doubts. This is an important development. Two "revisionists" have already agreed that, by using their "research methods", it is also possible to "prove" that not only the Holocaust, but also Stalin's atrocities and the bombing of Dresden, are a "hoax". I knew this day would come. I am proud for having made my contribution for this breakthrough in "revisionism". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:42 PST 1996 Article: 85811 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: The Big "Mistake" Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b52f51.4486548@199.0.216.204> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:32:07 GMT Lines: 9 As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him; does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar, Abram L.)? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:43 PST 1996 Article: 85817 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: edm.general,alt.censorship,can.general,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: ACUMEN SILENCED !!???Gauleiter Gross wants to be Fuehrer of Freenet Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <585mn4$io0$4@news.sas.ab.ca> <32aeffe2.1228452@news.g <58o555$jl8$4@news.sas.ab.ca> <32b09a65.13759096@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 06:36:40 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:112423 can.general:99677 alt.revisionism:85817 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # Six million? We should have been so lucky. Matt, even if all the Jews were dead, you would still be the stupid, drunk, unemployed slob from Tampa, FL, that you are now. Wake up, Matt. It's not the Jews' fault. It's your fault. If all the Jews were dead, you'd simply have to look for someone else to hate and to blame for the sorry, pathetic joke which is your life. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:43 PST 1996 Article: 85831 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961212203600.PAA13787@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 06:15:50 GMT Lines: 21 tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes: # Now, who has researched and documented the authenticity # of this letter? This is a void question, which is always put forth by Holocaust-deniers when they run out of excuses. I could post such a question for each and every document, offered by anyone, regarding any historical event whatsoever. I got the letter from the Bundsarchive in Koblenz. You're claiming it's a forgery? Prove it. # Also, where is the "convergence of evidence" to show that # this document is indeed authentic? How about the fact that the gas chamber is still there? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 08:11:44 PST 1996 Article: 85848 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Israeli settlements again Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b192d4.3742314@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:09:41 GMT Lines: 21 destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes: # Contrary to the interests of peace, Net'n'yahoo has # announced that the illegal occupation settlements # will continue. In response, a Palestinian group # shot and killed some of the illegal settlers. "Some of the illegal settlers", in this case, were a 12-year-old child and his 42-year-old mother. I guess this made your day, nazi-boy? How many extra bottles of cheap wine did you guzzle to celebrate this event? But what good is it? After the euphoria sinks, you're still a stupid, drunk, unemployed bum from Tampa, Florida... right? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:47 PST 1996 Article: 85861 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.canada Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32ad0 <32b0cf22.8374744@news.inetworld.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:42:54 GMT Lines: 48 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:85861 soc.culture.canada:103435 rcf@inetworld.net writes: # It is truly amazing to me that someone can so easily # discuss the death of 72,000 human beings as if it were # just a blip on the radar screen of history. True. However, the number of victims was much higher. In May, 1943, SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch submitted a report in which he estimated the number of victims (in Auschwitz-Birkneau) so far at 500,000 (see "Hitler and the Final Solution" - Prof. G. Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 142-143). Also, from the number and size of the Auschwitz-Birkenau cremation furnaces, it is obvious that there were far more than 72,000 victims. See, for instance http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours. Krema4.jpg Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau. Furnace.jpg Cremation furnaces in a Birknenau crematorium. The "revisionist" claim for the 72,000 figure is based on lists detailing the deaths of inmates who were admitted to the camp, registered, and tattooed with a serial number. However, in the infamous "selection process", those classified as "unfit for work" were separated and murdered immediately. There was no use, of course, in assigning them serial numbers; hence, their names are not in the lists the "revisionists" refer to. Moreover, these lists do not cover the entire period in which the camp was in operation. Posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:49 PST 1996 Article: 85862 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Another lying jew Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32af2cea.7962642@news.gte.net> <32b18f2e.2807656@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:29:11 GMT Lines: 38 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.ukrainian:18525 soc.culture.baltics:14676 soc.culture.israel:53119 soc.culture.jewish:100023 alt.conspiracy:120567 alt.revisionism:85862 [Followup = alt.revisionism] destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes: # As there is nothing but prosecution witnesses speaking # up on the subject, No. Demjanjuk was also identified as "Ivan" from the gas chambers by a former SS-man, Otto Horn. # as since we know that none of those witnesses have # provided a credible description of Treblinka in the # first place, Everyone who was in Treblinka - not only these witnesses, but also the SS-men and the Ukrainian guards - gave a credible description of the camp. This description is verified by the huge amount of human remains on the camp's site, as well as "external witnesses", namely the Poles who saw train-load after train-load of people enter the camp, and no one coming out. # It appears jews are either unable or unwilling to # address physical evidence. It appears senile, pathetic, unemployed drunkards from Tampa, FL - such as Matt Giwer, who posts here using stupid aliases - are unable or unwilling to admit that their failure in life is not the Jews' fault. # When facts are presented to you, you cease to be civil. # You much be jewish. "You much be jewish"? Go soak your head, old drunkard. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:49 PST 1996 Article: 85866 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: No Fear of Air Photo Evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a0436f.357177@199.0.216.204> <58ove9$b11@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32bada5a.25729142@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32b1eecf.711154539@news.micron.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:30:02 GMT Lines: 28 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # Oh yes, that is why the Jew David Coleman is also # a revisionist. His name is David Cole. He's a 26-year-old highschool dropout from CA. Last I heard, he gave up on "revisionism", part of the reason being his despair when he discovered that the other "revisionists" are even bigger fools than he is... just look at what he wrote about Fred "fraud" Leuchter. -Danny Keren. ---- For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:50 PST 1996 Article: 85871 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Communism: The Bed Partner of Jewry's Political Apparatus Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <58n7el$43$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <32b2d29c.41014200@news> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:20:24 GMT Lines: 12 If Communism and Judaism are "bed partners", how come did the Communist USSR, for many years, arm to the teeth - and train - all the Arab countries that declared their desire to annihilate Israel, and fought many bitter wars with it? Hello? Am I the only one who sees a contradiction here? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 11:38:51 PST 1996 Article: 85872 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961213124600.HAA10844@ladder01.news.aol.com> <58tm14$qjp@explorer2.clark.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:05:35 GMT Lines: 15 karlpov@explorer2.clark.net writes: # Obviously not, since you address your comment to Charles # Power, which is my real name, as can be verified via # www.switchboard.com. Unlike certain cowardly assholes # who post under pseudonyms like rblackmore, Kurt Stele, # and Tutu101. "tutu101@aol.com" is another alias for "rblackmore". "Kurt Stele" is a different person. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:19 PST 1996 Article: 85895 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32ae194c.59938773@199.0.216.204> <32c11be4.4881459@199.0.216.204> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:49:08 GMT Lines: 38 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## While the "leading Holocaust revisionist" Matt Giwer, ## says that there were buildings in Treblinka, his esteemed ## colleague, Tom Moran, said there were no buildings there ## whatsoever. # Show where Moran said "there were no buildings whatsoever", or # even anything even close. Your failure to show it will be your # indictment. Here's where you said it, Tommy. alt.revisionism #141704 (2940 more) From: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka Date: Mon Dec 09 12:21:20 EST 1996 Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet >Could this have anything to do with the fact that the camp was >partially destroyed in the sonderkommando rebellion, and then >dismantled (in 1943)? No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings. There are no signs of there ever being any buildings, other than what is shown in the 1944 photo. It seems quite clear to me, Tommy. Or maybe the senile, crazed drunkard, Matt Giwer, is now forging your articles also? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:20 PST 1996 Article: 85897 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Success! Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:22:46 GMT Lines: 21 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.society.conservatism:64648 alt.politics.usa.constitution:106712 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38960 alt.revisionism:85897 alt.politics.white-power:52176 soc.culture.usa:101200 alt.conspiracy:120607 talk.politics.misc:523574 alt.politics.correct:164707 [Followup = alt.revisionism] jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes: [Alleged racist "quotes" from Jewish sources] These quotes were posted here, many times. People have invariably commented on them, saying either the sources don't exist, or that the translation is completely false. So, here's a challenge. Verify these "quotes" yourself, and post them, in the original language. That's a fair request. How about it? If you don't comply, everybody will have to conclude you're a shameless liar. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:21 PST 1996 Article: 85898 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961211054600.AAA13161@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b103b2.11320646@news.alt.net> <32b212ff.8941781@news.micron.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:46:25 GMT Lines: 42 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.society.conservatism:64649 alt.politics.usa.constitution:106713 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38961 alt.revisionism:85898 alt.politics.white-power:52177 soc.culture.usa:101201 alt.conspiracy:120608 talk.politics.misc:523575 alt.politics.correct:164708 [Followup = alt.revisionism] kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # There was never extermination of Jews by gassing or any # Reich plan ordered to exterminate Jews. Had that been # true the Allies would have found no Jews left alive in # the "deathcamps" upon liberation. Please look at the following photos and tell me: just how many of the people in them are alive? http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/ Hoessler.jpg: SS-Obersturmfuehrer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of corpses in Belsen. See also: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 15 19:21:22 PST 1996 Article: 85905 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news2.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!excalibur.flash.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'Revisionist' Idiots (Re: Heinrich Lohse Was Dead and Living in Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <58iur6$159@news.enter.net> <19961213125500.HAA10956@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b4d674.39968115@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 14:14:54 GMT Lines: 29 John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes: ### Lohse, by the way, was murdered by an assassin in ### 1943 in Russia. ## That's odd. I don't have my books handy, but I recall ## that Lohse survived the war. Can anyone check? I ## won't be in my office till Monday, and that's where ## the books are. # Heinrich Lohse was tried by a British court [...] # He died in his home town of Muehlenbarbek bei Steinburg in # Schleswig-Holstein on 25 February 1964. Thank you, Mr. Morris, for checking on this. We have yet another spectacular example of "revisionist scholarship", and, to me, yet another proof that "tutu101" is really the lame Nazi liar, "rblackmore". Now, poor old "rblackmore" will need to find yet another alias... However, it's only a matter of time before Beauliue will claim that the real Lohse was indeed "murdered by an assassin in 1943 in Russia", and the other Lohse was really an actor. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:10 PST 1996 Article: 85923 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: German and Jewish chauvinism Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <58qjbk$sti@news.enter.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:00:33 GMT Lines: 48 olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes: [Alleged racist "quotes" from Jewish sources] My, my. Good old nazi-boy here, the same one who wants to arrest, torture and deport Danish citizens because he doesn't like the color of their skin [1], now spews forth some rubbish he must have collected on some Nazi web-site... These quotes were posted here, many times. People have invariably commented on them, saying either the sources don't exist, or that the translation is false. So, nazi-boy, here's a challenge. Verify these "quotes" yourself, and post them, in the original language. That's a fair request, nazi-boy. How about it? it's your big chance to prove you're not a low-life, nazi, lying scum. Go for it. -Danny Keren. [1] From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 13 15:02:39 EDT 1996 Article: 111755 of alt.revisionism # Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some # people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer # qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been # granted a residence permit they will have their status changed # to illegal aliens and then treated accordingly. From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 20 14:57:46 EDT 1996 Article: 113212 of alt.revisionism # However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates # to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they # should of course not be too attractive. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:10 PST 1996 Article: 85930 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news2.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!news1.agis.net!agis!news.minn.net!iaxs.net!visi.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Jew Admits: "Yeah. We Control Media. What of it?" Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a8c370.110136825@news.micron.net> <58nfrd$gmp@news.usaor.net> <58q1l4$pt8$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> <32B24324.2D1C@passport.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:56:10 GMT Lines: 22 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.clinton:342410 alt.discrimination:58423 alt.politics.white-power:52185 alt.politics.nationalism.white:38982 alt.skinheads:45579 alt.conspiracy:120667 alt.religion.islam:36168 alt.revisionism:85930 raterman writes: # The other point regarding the "light of truth" is that # Holocaust deniers are actually double liars, first in # denying the Holocaust, secondly in gloating over it in # secret and refusing to admit that they're glad it happened # and look forward to it happening again. Exactly. But, here and there, they say what they really think. Look at this example from the little coward posting under the "kurt stele" alias: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 07:05:11 PST 1996 Article: 85943 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!news2.insinc.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32af3068.318565@199.0.216.204> <32af4db9.5766520@news.gte.net> <32b509e0.269846@199.0.216.204> <32b36c94.30295311@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:18:00 GMT Lines: 22 destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes: # I brought it up as these are the pictures Keren is # constantly spamming claiming they are burned while # there is no sign of them having been burned. Everyone can look at the photographs and decide for himself. One may also, of course, read the relevant documentation in "Inside the Vicious Heart", which is where I scanned the photos from. I'm not going to "debate" the Nazi drunkard any more on this point; there's a limit to how low I'm willing to go. As I said, the photographs are there, and the relevant text too. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/gardelegen/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 10:40:51 PST 1996 Article: 85992 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.society.conservatism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A Nazi replies to a War Criminal Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32A2CDAA.7C19@rio.com> <32b3499e.21753265@news.gte.net> <5901fn$i7k@ratty.wolfe.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 14:02:03 GMT Lines: 147 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:120791 alt.politics.nationalism.white:39023 alt.politics.white-power:52211 alt.revisionism:85992 alt.society.conservatism:64704 [Followup = alt.revisionism] dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) writes: # Did it? Most sources I've read don't add up the death # tolls of each individual camp, ghetto, anti-tank ditch, or # train car to get a figure. Instead they took the number of # Jews that were know to be alive prior to the start of the # war and then counted the number left alive at the end of # the war. BTW why are you (and other revisionist) stuck on # Auschwitz. What about Treblinka, Belsec, Sibibor, and # Chelmno? Hundreds of thousands died in these camps but # you never mention them. You're absolutely correct. Here are the figures of Jewish losses at which German historians arrived; I am appending the original material below. Deaths in "major" death camps - Auschwitz-Birkenau: more than 1 million. Treblinka: 700,000. Belzec: 600,000. Sobibor: 200,000. Chelmno: 150,000. Deaths in the "einsatzgruppen" mass executions in the Nazi-occupied USSR: at least 900,000. Total number of deaths ("major" camps, plus the einsatzgruppen massacres, plus deaths in numerous smaller camps, deaths from starvation in the ghettos): about 6 million. As we see, the 6 million figure does not at all assume a 4 million figure for Auschwitz-Birkenau. This file contains a short survey on the dimensions of the Holocaust, published by the Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe (Institute for Contemporary History) in Munich, Germany, at 1992. The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe is considered an authority on this issue in Germany, and has been used as a source of information on the Holocaust in various trials of Nazi war criminals there. Feel free to quote from this letter, under the following conditions: 1) Verbatim quotes only. 2) The Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe has to be cited as the source. Concerns: The killing of people through gas in the extermination and concentrations camps under the Nazi power The systematic murdering of humans through gas during the Nazi rule was introduced for the first time from January 1940 on in the area of the "Euthanasia", the extermination of the "lives not worthy to live" of the handicapped, mental patients and the terminally ill, and from fall 1941 on was continued to a much larger extent by the pogroms of the operation groups of the security police and the SD in the seized eastern areas with the help of mobile gas vans. Beginning December of 1941 one proceeded in the camp Kulmhof (Polish Chelmno) to use stationary gas vans for the killing of Jews, and from the beginning of 1942 in different camps fixed gas chambers were built, or already existing buildings were restructured for this purpose. One needs to differentiate by the furnishing of such gas chambers and the gassing actions carried out within them between the mass gassings of Jews in the extermination camps build for that purpose and the gassings of smaller scale in individual, already existing concentration camps (whereby patients, seized forced laborers, war prisoners, and political prisoners among others were also victims) The following extermination camps existed: Kulmhof i.e. Chelmno (in the then Wartheland), where between December 1941 and fall 1942 and again from May until August 1944 gassings by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas took place. Altogether more than 150,000 Jews as well as 5000 gypsies have hereby been killed. Belzec (in the district Lublin of the then general governments): from march to December 1942 in the beginning in three, later in six large gas chambers by means of carbon monoxide from motor exhaust gas altogether about 600,000 Jews were killed here. Sobibor (district Lublin, general government) received in April 1942 three, later in September 1942 six gas chambers and until October 1943 it was "in operation". During this period at least 200,000 Jews have been murdered through carbon monoxide gas. Treblinka (district Warschau, general government) from the end of July 1942 on had three gas chambers and received at the start of September 1942 furthermore ten larger gas chambers. Up to the dissolution of the camp in November 1943 altogether 700,000 Jews were killed here by carbon monoxide. Majdanek (district Lublin, general government): The concentration camp existing since September 1941 turned into an extermination camp when between April 1942 and November 1943 mass shootings took place to which 24,000 Jews fell victim. In October 1942 also two, later three gas chambers were built. In the beginning the killings in these were done by means of carbon monoxide, soon however one was using Zyklon B (a highly poisonous insecticide made from cyan hydrogen). Up until the dissolution of the camp in March 1944 about 50,000 Jews have been gassed. Auschwitz-Birkenau (in the formerly polish, in 1939 adjoined to the "Reich" upper eastern Silesian area, south eastern of Kattowitz): The extermination camp in Birkenau, established in the second half of 1941, was joined to the concentration camp Auschwitz, existing since May 1940. From January 1942 on in five gas chambers and from the end of June 1943 in four additional large gassing-rooms gassings with Zyklon B have been undertaken. Up until November 1944 more than one million Jews and at least 4000 gypsies have been murdered by gas. The victims of the operation groups of the security service and the SD behind the German frontier in the Russia-campaign were to the by far largest part Jews. Their number is estimated to be at least 900,000. The difference between the total of the victims of the gassings cited in the above mentioned composition and the number of victims of the operation groups and the total of roughly 6 million victims of the Nazi persecution of the Jews results from the fact that a very high percentage of the victims have lost their lives through indirect extermination actions such as the method "destruction through work", bad treatment, under nourishment, epidemics, exhaustion during forced transportations etc. About 120,000 people were killed through the Nazi "Euthanasia"-actions. Posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 17:24:47 PST 1996 Article: 86052 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Missing Articles (Danny Keren) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:38:07 GMT Lines: 16 My server seems to have missed some articles posted in response to previous articles from me. For instance, I saw a reply which included some of Kreiberg's reply to an article I posted yesterday, but I didn't see Kreiberg's article. Same happened with a reply that "rblackmore" posted. Hopefully, the missing articles will surface soon; if not - if someone wants a reply, please post again or mail me. This does not hold, though, for Matt Giwer or any of his aliases - Matt, do not send me any e-mail. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec 16 23:02:11 PST 1996 Article: 86074 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: SS-Gruppenfuehrer Otto Ohlendorf Testifies About the Einsantzgruppen Massacres Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:37:38 GMT Lines: 166 Otto Ohlendorf, chief of Einsatzgruppe D, testifies about Nazi mass murder in the occupied USSR. Source: IMT Vol. IV, testimony starts at page 311. Q. How many Einsatz groups were there, and who were their respective leaders? A. There were four Einsatzgruppen, Group A,B,C and D. Chief of Einsatzgruppe A was Stahlecker; Chief of Einsatzgruppe B was Nebe; Chief of Einsatzgruppe C, Dr. Rasche, and later, Dr. Thomas; Chief of Einsatzgruppe D, I myself, and later Bierkamp. . . . Q. What were their instructions with respect to the Jews and the Communist functionaries? A. The instructions were that in the Russian operational areas of the Einsatzgruppen the Jews, as well as the Soviet political commissars, were to be liquidated. Q. And when you say "liquidated", do you mean "killed"? A. Yes, I mean killed. . . . Q. Did you personally supervise mass executions of these individuals? A. I was present at two mass executions for purposes of inspection. Q. Will you explain to the tribunal in detail how an individual mass execution was carried out? A. A local Einsatzkommando attempted to collect all the Jews in its area by registering them. This registration was performed by the Jews themselves. Q. On what pretext, if any, were they rounded up? A. On the pretext that they were to be resettled. Q. Will you continue? A. After the registration the Jews were collected at one place; and from there they were later transported to the place of execution, which was, as a rule an antitank ditch or a natural excavation. The executions were carried out in a military manner, by firing squads under command. Q. In what way were they transported to the place of execution? A. They were transported to the place of execution in trucks, always only as many as could be executed immediately. In this way it was attempted to keep the span of time from the moment in which the victims knew what was about to happen to them until the time of their actual execution as short as possible. Q. Was that your idea? A. Yes. Q. And after they were shot what was done with the bodies? A. The bodies were buried in the antitank ditch or excavation. . . . Q. Were all victims, including the men, women, and children, executed in the same manner? A. Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans. Q. How had women and children been killed previously? A. In the same way as the men - by shooting. Q. What, if anything, was done about burying the victims after they had been executed? A. The Kommandos filled the graves to efface the signs of execution, and then labor unit of the population leveled them. Q. Referring to the gas vans which you said you received in the spring of 1942, what order did you receive with respect to the use of these vans? A. These gas vans were in future to be used for the killing of the women and the children. Q. Will you explain to the Tribunal the construction of these vans and their appearance? A. The actual purpose of these vans could not be seen from the outside. They looked like closed trucks, and were so constructed that at the start of the motor, gas was conducted into the van causing death in 10 to 15 minutes. Q. Explain in detail just how one of these vans was used for an execution. A. The vans were loaded with the victims and driven to the place of burial, which was usually the same as that used for the mass executions. The time needed for transportation was sufficient to insure the death of the victims. Q. How were the victims induced to enter the van? A. They were told that they were to be transported to another locality. . . . Q. You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason? A. That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the Kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children. . . . Q. In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct? A. Yes. Q. And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred? A. The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated. Q. Including the children? A. Yes. Q. Were all the Jewish children murdered? A. Yes. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:39 PST 1996 Article: 86078 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Ohlendorf Next Explains Why the Gypsies Were Murdered Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:39:04 GMT Lines: 50 SS-Gruppenfuehrer Otto Ohlendorf, Commander of Einsatzgruppe D, comes up with some amazing excuses for the killing of the Gypsies in Nazi-occupied USSR. [Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol IV, p. 286-7] Presiding Judge Musmanno: Well, now, what we are trying to do is to find out what you are going to say about the Gypsies, but you still insist on going back to the Jews, and Mr. Heath is questioning about Gypsies. Is it also in European history that Gypsies always participated in political strategy and campaigns? Ohlendorf: Espionage organizations during campaigns. Presiding Judge Musmanno: The Gypsies did? A: The Gypsies in particular. I want to draw your recollection to extensive descriptions of the Thirty Year War by Ricarda Huch and Schiller- Q. That is going pretty far back in order to justify the killing of Gypsies in 1941, isn't it? A. I added that as an explanation, as such motives might have played a part in this, to get at this decision. . . . Mr. Heath: Mr. Ohlendorf, you say the Gypsies are notorious bearers of intelligence? Isn't it a fact that the nationals of any invaded state are notorious bearers of intelligence. Didn't the Americans bear intelligence, and the Germans bear intelligence, and the Russians bear intelligence for their countries when they were at war? A. But the difference is here that these populations, for example, the German population, or the American population have permanent homes, whereas Gypsies being unsettled as people without permanent homes are more prepared to change their residence for a more favorable economic situation, which another place might promise them. I believe that a German, for example, is very unsuited for espionage. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:40 PST 1996 Article: 86099 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: The MOVIE you FOOLS! Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32ad72c9.29592052@news.gte.net> <32b08bca.10020352@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:17:44 GMT Lines: 26 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # Read up on the primary Nuremberg trial and find out about # the film produced by the Soviets. You will find it there. Post the exact location. Next time, ask Alan B. Kennady, who's feeding you with material, to send all the details. # Even the unethical Dr. Gilbert mentions that Goring # pointed out to him that rigour mortis had not set in. So what? # Excuse me. In fact their families WERE ARRESTED (Goring, # Speer, et al.) Just for the record, can anyone confirm what the drunkard wrote here? And, anyway, I'm repeating my question about the many SS-men who testified in German courts. Can you name one of them who had his family arrested? Answer the question, drunkard. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:41 PST 1996 Article: 86100 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32b1e4a1.2136582@199.0.216.204> <32b0edbf.19948430@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:46:32 GMT Lines: 14 destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes: # Since you wish to continue this, little Danny, NAME THE # CAMP that fits the descriptions given of Treblinka as # Treblinka certainly fits no description given. As I have suggested in an earlier post, best thing to do is try and contact the author. I am not a mind-reader and I cannot speak for him. My first guess would be Auschwitz, the second Maidanek. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:42 PST 1996 Article: 86101 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'Some bodies fell out' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57si5p$fbg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32accedd.289339297@news.txdirect.net> <32ad95ea.7061322@news.gte.net> <32b1ef40.711267276@news.micron.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:11:09 GMT Lines: 26 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # That is one thing the Holohoaxsters haven't presented # yet: the documented evidence of demoralization of # German troops. Untrue, kurtzi. I posted some on this. In the Auschwitz Trial in Frankfurt, there were testimonies about SS-men who had nervous breakdowns after participating in mass executions of civilians. Ohlendorf also mentions, in his testimony, that Himmler ordered to murder civilians, especially women and children, using gas, so that they would not "be exposed to the mental strain of the executions". (I have commented on "revisionist" lies vs. "revisionist" errors in some previous articles. This is an example of something in-between: the stupid little Nazi, "kurt", doesn't have a clue if he's lying or not when making his claim above. He simply states it, and hopes he's correct). -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:42 PST 1996 Article: 86104 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32aee191.28033445@news.gte.net> <32b0817a.7380656@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:25:48 GMT Lines: 24 minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: # Have it your way, neither Stalin's murders or the # Holocaust happened. No, clown. YOUR argument was "since you can't produce 6 million corpses, the Holocaust is a hoax". Applying YOUR "logic", since no one can produce the alleged 10 million corpses of Stalin's persecutions, or the alleged 70,000 corpses of Dresden's bombing, these events are also a "hoax". How stupid can you be? I am not stating my opinion, but applying YOUR argument. According to YOUR "logic", Stalin never killed anyone, and Dresden was never bombed. Is it FINALLY clear? I know you are very stupid, but even you should be able to understand this. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 06:58:43 PST 1996 Article: 86108 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Murder of Priests in Dachau Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:18:27 GMT Lines: 33 Source: SS records, quoted in "Concentration Camp Dachau", ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 60. Nationality Total Released Transferred Liberated Deaths -------------------------------------------------------------------- Albanian 2 - 2 - - Belgian 46 1 3 33 9 Danish 5 5 - - - German 447 208 100 45 94 English 2 - 1 1 - French 156 5 4 137 10 Greek 2 - - 2 - Dutch 63 10 - 36 17 Italian 28 - 1 26 1 Lithuanian 3 - - 3 - Luxemburg 16 2 - 8 6 Norwegian 1 1 - - - Polish 1780 78 4 830 868 Rumanian 1 - - 1 - Jugoslavian 50 2 6 38 4 Spanish 1 - - 1 - Swiss 2 1 - - 1 Czechoslovakian 109 1 10 74 24 Hungarian 3 - - 3 - Stateless 3 - 1 2 - Roman Catholic 2579 Protestant 109 Greek Orthodox 22 Old Catholic and Maronite 8 Mohammedan 2 From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 17 11:18:49 PST 1996 Article: 86233 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: ACUMEN SILENCED !!???Gauleiter Gross Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <585mn4$io0$4@news.sas.ab.ca> <32acaa9b.15653954@news.gte.net> <32B1A038.3882@concentric.net> <32b33984.17631529@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 13:34:02 GMT Lines: 23 Is anyone counting how many messages Matt the Nazi drunkard, using the alias "destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)", is posting? It seems that, today only, he posted many dozens of messages. I understand it, to some extent - poor old, senile Matt can't find a job, so he has a lot of free time. The question is: how come this revolting swine complains to my ISP about my alleged "spamming", and demands to limit my postings, while he posts far more articles than me? The revolting swine even had the nerve to warn my ISP that he will be mailbombed, if he doesn't limit my postings (all in the name of "supporting free speech", he-he). -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:11 PST 1996 Article: 86351 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news.abs.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news.magmacom.com!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:33:39 GMT Lines: 67 Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing at Belzec [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August 1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly that they had come from the Jews. At this point he also mentioned the extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were killed at the the camp at Belzec... During this first visit I was taken to around by a certain Polizieihauptmann named Wirth, who also showed and explained to me the extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the extermination actions. In order to write a report I had, however, first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp, spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next morning. A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off their shoes... After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was shorn and they had to get undressed... The men went into another hut, where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the women's hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying "Hackenholt Foundation", above which there was a star of David. The building was brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be killed here... Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so that the bodies could be removed. People were led from a corridor into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall. Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents to the chambers opened. Whether they were stop-valves or vents I would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led led directly to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:15 PST 1996 Article: 86385 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!visi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: German Clergymen Protest Nazi Mass Murder, II Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:13:53 GMT Lines: 17 Letter from Dr. Wurm, of the Wuerttemberg Evangelical Provincial Church, to Reich Minister of interior Dr. Frick, September 5 1940 [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Supp. A, p. 1223] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Reich Minister, On July 19th I sent you a letter about the systematic extermination of lunatics, feeble-minded and epileptic persons. Since then this practice has reached tremendous proportions: recently the inmates of old-age homes have also been included. The basis for this practice seems to be that in an efficient nation there should be no room for weak and frail people. It is evident from the many reports which we are receiving that the people's feelings are being badly hurt by the measures ordered and that the feeling of legal insecurity is spreading which is regrettable from the point of view of national and state interest. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:16 PST 1996 Article: 86397 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <593e5s$o8e@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:23:46 GMT Lines: 42 In the alt.revisionism article with Message-Id <54eopf$d8c@juliana.sprynet.com>, the lying Nazi-apologist "rblackmore" claimed that the commandant of Plaszwo camp, Amon Goeth, was "executed by the SS" because he "abused the prisoners under his command". Goeth, however, was tried and executed by the Poles, after the war. Now, why did the pathetic fool "rblackmore" invent this lie? Simple: he wanted to convince people that the Nazis really cared for the inmates in the camps, and that they even punished camp commandants who murdered Jews. So, what does he do? He invents this lie - that the SS executed Goeth - and posts it, hoping that no one who reads this newsgroup knows the truth. It's so pathetic. So idiotic. So childish. And, something which is somewhat related. "rblackmore" has posted an article trolling for teenage boys, on alt.acadia. He later claimed it was really posted by someone else, using his account. He offered no proof of this; moreover, there was nothing like "I'm really so-and-so, and I'm only using this account for posting" in the article. Usually, when X uses Y's account, he/she will take care to post their real identity and to state that they are using Y's account as guests. All evidence points to the fact that "rblackmore" posted this article. All we have against it is his word. But he has lied so many times on alt.revisionism - the Goeth fiasco is but one example among many - that the question has to be asked: why should we believe him? I consider "rblackmore" to be a rather revolting person. His articles on alt.revisionism are bad enough. Unfortunately, whatever he tries to "accomplish" by hounding teenagers is probably much worse. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 08:18:17 PST 1996 Article: 86432 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!demos!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Reply to Jim Stuart regarding Talmud "quotations" Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:26:26 GMT Lines: 14 schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes: [An excellent article, documenting, exposing, and refuting lies that Nazis often post about alleged racist quotes from the Talmud]. Thanks, Sara. This should serve as a lesson to various Nazi vermin, like Kreiberg, who post such lies: it may take time, but, eventually, someone will expose them for the lying filth that they are. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 18 11:10:54 PST 1996 Article: 86512 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news.netrail.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:34:46 GMT Lines: 50 SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230] ---------------------------------------------------------------- The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo'w to Lemberg [Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section 1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the gas installations and the burial field were situated... The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August 1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average 150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were carried out to test and study closely the camp's capacity and the technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing... At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberfuehrer Brack from the Fuehrer's chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme [Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942. About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until 1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports (as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the transport were gassed. During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing; however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry engine which was operated by Hackenholt. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 07:46:39 PST 1996 Article: 86722 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: No Fear of Air Photo Evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32a0436f.357177@199.0.216.204> <32b1eecf.711154539@news.micron.net> <32b5d615.69200605@news.micron.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:40:16 GMT Lines: 34 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # The salient fact is Cole's Jewishness. Allegedly # revisionism is anti-semitic. kurtzi, there are a few million Jews in the world. Some of them are very stupid. Some of them are very crazy. It's a simple statistical fact, true for any population of that size. So, there is one Jew, David Cole, a 26-year-old highschool dropout, who is (or, I believe, was) a "revisionist". This does not prove anything. It's a sensation of sorts - and I'm convinced that's one of the reason that Cole became a "revisionist" - but it really means nothing. Even if you had a hundred David Cole's, that's still one hundred out of millions. It simply means nothing. -Danny Keren. ---- For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 12:37:18 PST 1996 Article: 86789 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Harold Le Druillence Testifies About Belsen Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:20:15 GMT Lines: 46 Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there: [From "The Belsen Trial"] (p. 60-61) We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near. [...] I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been vast numbers - certainly five figures. You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit on the head. (p. 62) I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to see people go through at the double dragging the dead body behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible, hundreds were shot per day. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 19:11:48 PST 1996 Article: 86824 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <593e5s$o8e@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:55:05 GMT Lines: 39 rblackmore@juno.com wrote: # They also filled the latrines and compound with trash and # filth, so much so that the latrines eventually ceased to # function. This would explain the pervasive stench around # Auschwitz and another reason why it was referred to as # .Anus Mundi.. Unfortunately for our lying Nazi-apologist, the reason why Auschwitz was referred to by that name, was the horror it inspired in some of those who witnessed the mass murder of innocent human beings there: Notes From Diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268] ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2 September 1942 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing! 5 September 1942 In the morning attended a Sonderaktion from the women's concentration camp (Muslims); the most dreadful of horrors. Hschf. Thilo -- army doctor -- was right when he said to me this is the 'anus mundi'. In the evening towards 8.00 attended another Sonderaktion from Holland. ['Muslims' does not mean "practicing Islam"; this is the way the SS referred to emaciated people]. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 19 19:11:49 PST 1996 Article: 86831 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!panix!netaxs.com!tezcat!peerfeed.internetmci.com!dciteleport.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp6.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: German Clergymen Protest Nazi Mass Murder, I Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:12:55 GMT Lines: 39 Letter from Dr. Hilfrich, Bishop of Limburg, to the Reich Minister of Justice, August 13 1941 [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. I, p. 845-846] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Regarding the report submitted on July 16 by the Chairman of the Fulda Bishops' conference, Cardinal Dr. Bertram, I consider it my duty to present the following as a concrete illustration of destruction of so-called "useless life". About 8 Kilometers from Limburg in the little town of Hadamar, on a hill overlooking the town, there is an institution which had formerly served various purposes and of late had been used as a nursing home. This institution was renovated and furnished as a place in which, by consensus of opinion, the above mentioned Euthanasia has been systematically practiced for months- approximately since February 1941. This fact is, of course, known beyond the administrative district of Wiesbaden... Several times a week buses arrive in Hadamard with a considerable number of such victims. School children of the vicinity know this vehicle and say "here comes the murder-box again". After the arrival of the vehicle, the citizens of Hadamar watch the smoke rise out of the chimney... The effect of the principles at work here that children call each other names and say "you're crazy; you'll be sent to the baking oven in Hadamar"... All God-fearing man consider this destruction of helpless beings a crass injustice... Officials of the State Police, it is said, are trying to suppress discussions of the Hadamar occurrences by means of severe threats... I beg you most humbly, Herr Reich Minister, in the sense of the report of the Episcopate of 16 July of this year, to prevent further transgressions of the Fifth Commandment of God. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:02:45 PST 1996 Article: 86897 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Question... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <851013413.26365@dejanews.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:12:25 GMT Lines: 17 e0191187@brookes.ac.uk asks: # Why is Al Baron in jail? How do you know he's in jail, BTW? From reading this newsgroup? Or did you hear about it from another source? Do you know Baron? I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He really, really, needs help. posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:02:46 PST 1996 Article: 86950 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Some Holocaust Facts Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32c00cfe.2578399@199.0.216.204> <32b977b7.10050231@news.gte.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:10:52 GMT Lines: 20 octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes: # But just our of curiosity, how did Rabbi "The Amazing" # Weissmandel know the number would be 6 million a year before # the end of the war? Assuming he did say that (and I'm not willing to believe anything Matt posts without verifying it, since he lied so many times in the past), it is not that surprising. (If) he made this estimate, it was in the summer of 1944, right? The large majority of the victims were already dead by then, as this was after the Einsatzgruppen massacres, after all the victims of Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor and Chelmno were already murdered, after a great many people were already murdered in Auschwitz and in the ghettos. I guess the real figure was more than 5 million. If Weissmandel indeed gave the figure of 6 million in the summer of 1944, his estimate was rather accurate. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 07:30:24 PST 1996 Article: 92692 of soc.culture.german Newsgroups: soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Is it true you can't question history? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32cada46.17929740@news.mbay.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:07:27 GMT Lines: 24 It's true that, in Germany, denying the Holocaust is illegal. (I think that it is illegal, actually, to deny any genocide; or maybe that law holds in France? I recall someone was taken to court for denying the Armenian genocide). It's a pity, since those who deny the Holocaust are a sorry bunch of stupid Nazi bastards, and prosecuting them only helps them gain sympathy. It is also rather ironic, BTW, that these Nazi bastards are screeching and howling about "freedom of speech". A Nazi supporting freedom of speech reminds me of someone who kills his parents, and then asks the judge for mercy, because he's an orphan. Even more ironic is the fact that the world's "leading revisionist", Ernst Zundel, called to ban the TV series "Holocaust" and the movie "Schindler's List", while simultaneously claiming to support free speech... -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:24 PST 1996 Article: 87044 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: BREAKTHROUGH! (Re: 'However, they were herded int Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32b2135c.9034320@news.micron.net> <598f88$p0r@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32b964fd.5255828@news.gte.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:35:50 GMT Lines: 30 octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes: # brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote: ## It's about the methods of examining history, not 'revenge'. ## Giwer (an the denier cadre) bellow about physical evidence ## for the holocaust, and yet they believe in such things as ## the Dresden Bombing, Stalin's murders, Israeli mistreatment ## of palestinains, the liberty disaster, and so on without ## any physical evidence at all. # What is most amusing is that you folks can pretend there is no # physical evidence of the others. # # But remember, I am completely willing to agree with you that none # of the above occurred. Please note that "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer agrees, among other things, that: 1) Dresden was never bombed. 2) Stalin's regime never killed anyone. This is indeed a major breakthrough in "revisionism". Way to go, Matt. I only wonder how, with dem famed 163 IQ points, it took you so much time to figure it out. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:25 PST 1996 Article: 87052 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!mr.net!visi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Jewish Anti-Semitism II Message-ID: Keywords: dkeren truthsk763@aol.com Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <19961219172400.MAA18082@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:53:44 GMT Lines: 32 truthsk763@aol.com (Truthsk763) writes: # Noam Chomsky - Known for his brilliant work in the field of # linguistics, Chomsky is a passionate "anti-Zionist" who has # criticized the Palestine Liberation Organization for making # peace with Israel. He is a close associate of virulent ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # anti-Semite and Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is, plain and simple, not true. Chomsky is not my hero, but there is no need to make such claims as you have made here. Chomsky is not, at any rate, a "close associate" of Faurisson; neither is he, at any rate, a Holocaust denier. He has most clearly stated that he has never seen any reason to believe what the deniers are saying. # David Cole - A filmmaker active with the Institute of Historical # Review,who made a video which attempts to refute the thesis that # genocide was committed at Auschwitz. Cole is indeed a rather miserable fellow, a 26-year-old highschool dropout, who probably joined forces with various Nazis in order to have his moment in the spotlight. It did get him into some talk shows... Posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 15:40:26 PST 1996 Article: 87060 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bb1b30.4635765@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <59c6vv$ep9@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:23:44 GMT Lines: 16 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # What she was, was a 21 year old girl who was murdered on # the basis of false testimony, She testified about the selections to the gas chambers, and her participation in these selections. But you "forgot" to include this in the excerpts you took from her testimony... right? You should see a doctor about that memory problem. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec 20 17:44:25 PST 1996 Article: 87084 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b7977d.407049@199.0.216.204> <32b94e74.541340@199.0.216.204> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:29:34 GMT Lines: 47 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: ## Mr.Keren, poster of this eyewitness testimony, could you expand ## on what this witness meant by, "When I asked him where the spinning ## materials came from, he told me proudly that they had come from the ## Jews". ## ## If one had an aerial photograph or eyewitness plan of this ## Belzec, could you explain where these spinning mills would have been? ## ## The testimony also states Globocnik told him, "He also mentioned ## that work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production". ## Now we haven't any other information on this spinning industry at this ## time, said to have taken place at Belzec but, "considerably ## outstrip(ing)" the German spinning industry seems quite awesome and we ## should think there should be some kind of record of the Belzec ## industry being put together, machines, shipping whatever and records ## of distribution of the finished spinning product. Do you know if there ## is any record of this? # Mr.(Dr.)Keren? Well, Tommy, why don't you do something productive for a change, and study this matter? You could start by writing the "Institute for Contemporary History" in Munich, for instance. Why should I do your work for you, Tommy? BTW, I assume that the spinning mills were not at the death camp itself, but in the town of Belzec. But, once again: if you're interested in this topic, why don't you do some research yourself? # Mr.(Dr.)Keren? Is this "Mr.(Dr.)" thing supposed to insult me, Tommy? You're 60-years-old, right? Can you possibly start acting your age? Or is that old inferiority complex kicking into gear again, Tommy? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:50 PST 1996 Article: 87169 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'They probably thought they were being inoculated' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:53:08 GMT Lines: 161 Four Polish witnesses, three of them doctors, and two SS men, testify about murder with phenol injections in Auschwitz. Among the murdered were 120 children from the village of Zamosc. All the following testimonies are excerpted from "Auschwitz: the Proceedings Against Mulka and Others" by Bernd Nauman. The SS men who usually did the killing were Hantl, Scherpe, and Klehr (who also participated in the gassing operations). Testimony of Professor Fejkiel from Cracow (Poland) who was arrested by the Nazis and imprisoned in Auschwitz between October 1940 and January 1945 (p. 153-4): ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The witness reports that the experiments to kill prisoners with injections were begun in 1942. "First they tried benzine, but that turned out to be impractical. I know of a case where death did not occur for forty-five minutes. They looked for a quicker method. The second medium was hydrogen; then came phenolic acid". First it was administered intravenously, then directly into the heart: "I assume that the intravenous method took too long". "Do you know who killed, where the murders took place, and how many people were the victims of such injections?" "I will begin with the number killed: I assume that about 30,000 people were killed in this fashion". First came infirm Jews, then other hospital patients, then people not hospitalized, including prisoners "which the Gestapo sent in a round- about way". "Who did the killing?" "At first Dr. Entress himself, then Klehr, and then - in this order - Scherpe and Hantl. Hantl did it rarely. We thought of Hantl as a decent man and were surprised that he did it". Testimony of SS men Klehr (p. 71): ------------------------------------------ "How did you kill these prisoners?" "Well, like before. With a shot of phenol into the heart". SS men Scherpe is asked about the murder of the Zamosc children (p. 79): ----------------------------------------------------------------- According to testimony by numerous witnesses during the pretrial hearing, at least 119 children were murdered with phenol injections in the closing days of February, 1943. Force was used to get them into the executioner's chair, and Scherpe himself gave them the lethal injection into their hearts. It was so horrible that the "medic" ran away in desperation. The next day his colleague Hantl, a co-defendant, murdered the remaining 80 children. "You broke down and couldn't go on?" the judge asks. "That is exaggerated. It isn't true". Scherpe no longer wants to admit what he himself said earlier, that the children, panic-stricken, had screamed. "That is not so. I didn't say that. It is also not true. They suspected nothing. They probably thought they were being inoculated". The last boy waiting outside began to cry and called for his companions who didn't return. And that was the only indication the defendant had that the children may have feared death. Polish physician, Dr. Klodzinski, testifies about the murder of the Zamosc children (p. 152): -------------------------------------------------------------------- "In the afternoon came the order to kill the children. They were led into the washroom, and told to undress and line up. And then Scherpe came; I still remember that". Klodzinski speaks of the dead silence in Block 20 at that moment; nothing was heard except thumps "- it was a muffled sound" - as the heads and bodies of the slain children fell to the floor of the washroom. "Suddenly Scherpe came out of the room and said 'I can't anymore', and left. After a while Hantl took his place and and murdered the remaining children". Warsaw physician Dr. Glowacki testifies (p. 137-8): --------------------------------------------------- "How many in your opinion were selected by the defendant [Klehr] on his own authority?" "He certainly selected and killed more than 10,000". [...] But the witness saw how Scherpe "personally administered injections in Block 20. It happened during the murder of children from the vicinity of Zamosc. There were so many of them that they had to line them up between the barracks. Some of the children wee led into the area of Block 20, where Scherpe killed them while the others were still playing outside. There were more than 100". He remembers this case so well because Scherpe had suddenly paused. "We thought he was conscience-stricken and that was the reason he broke off in the middle of murdering the children. I clearly remember him stopping. He left, and we never saw him again after that. Hantl took over. Hantl finished the murder of the children". Stanislaus Glowa testifies (p. 183-186): ---------------------------------------- Glowa, like many of the witnesses who preceded him, tells of the "experimental gassing" at the end of 1941 in Block 11, of the slayings with phenol, first at Block 28 and then in Block 20 of the prisoner hospital. "Klehr, Scherpe and Hantl regularly took part in the killings with phenol. But I would like to point out at this time, for the sake of justice, if I had to set up a scale of responsibility, that the last- named behaved like saints compared to Klehr". [...] The court also hears this witness tell of the fate of 120 boys from the Polish village of Zamosc. Their parents had been killed, and the children were brought to Auschwitz, where, after a few weeks, it was decided to kill them as well. Work-detail leader Palitzch brought them into the courtyard of the hospital on a February morning in 1943, where the played and were given food by older prisoners. "They were hungry and frightened and told of having been beaten. All of us felt sorry for them. Again and again they asked: 'Will we be killed? Why?'. They had to wait a few hours to the end". Prisoner-clerk Glowa sat in the aisle of hospital building 20, where almost daily he crossed of the names of patients "injected" by Klehr >from the list of inmates. Not far from where he sat was the curtain behind which the victims had to stand in the corridor until a prisoner took them into the "examination room" where Klehr was waiting for them with his phenol injection. "Scherpe and Hantl came in that afternoon, and they worked for a long time. In order to shorten the terrible torment of the children, I would take them to the curtain and tell them they are going to be bathed. The first ones had screamed with terror in the room". "Do you have children"? Glowa asks in a breaking voice, and then continues: "It was horrible. Why did they kill us? That is why I helped, to shorten the torment. After it was over I saw Hantl in a state of complete collapse". The court at Frankfurt sentenced Klehr to life in prison, Scherpe to 4 years and 6 months, Hantl to 3 years and 6 months. Since Hantl had served his sentence in confinement awaiting trial, he left the court a free man. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:50 PST 1996 Article: 87170 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b94e74.541340@199.0.216.204> <32c1a905.5858849@199.0.216.204> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:58:18 GMT Lines: 24 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Okay, Mr.(Dr.)Keren says he doesn't want to stand by his post. That's a lie, Tommy, and even you can't be so stupid so as not to realize you're lying. My time is limited, and I don't find the German spinning industry of enough interest to further investigate what you asked about. If you are interested, why don't you investigate it yourself? You're interested in the truth, right? You're 60-years-old. Why do you have to behave like a silly, little, lying child? And the "Mr.(Dr.) Keren" again. Is this supposed to be smart? To be funny? Do you have to demonstrate to the readers of this group, yet again, your inferiority complex? Maybe see a shrink instead? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:51 PST 1996 Article: 87171 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bf0cf2.2566041@199.0.216.204> <32b89bf0.16949745@news.gte.net> <32c0c7b1.13710762@199.0.216.204> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:11:18 GMT Lines: 26 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Mr.(Dr.)Keren has used this terminology before, "huge # amounts" of human remains were found. I had ask him # before to cite the source for his claim. He never came # back. Sure I did. Huge numbers of corpses were found in Belsen and other camps, as you know well. Huge amounts of ashes and human remains were found in Treblinka and Maidanek. Now, Tommy, you're apparently adopting the "revisionist" argument of "show me six million corpses". Therefore, I address to you the question: "show me one corpse of someone who was killed in the alleged aerial attack on Dresden". If you can't do it, well, according to your own standards this attack never took place. # Go for it. Give it the ol' PhD. That old inferiority complex surely kicks in when the sun goes down, eh Tommy? Grow up. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:52 PST 1996 Article: 87260 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Goebbels' diaries on the Final Solution, 1942-43 Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bc0511.10414612@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <19961220123600.HAA04641@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:31:09 GMT Lines: 16 The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942: [The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, p. 147-148] ----------------------------------------------------------- Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government [Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:53 PST 1996 Article: 87268 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: From Every Hill and Dale they Come...(was Re: Another lying jew Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b87935.8058650@news.gte.net> <32B8C1C4.2F8A@columbia.edu> <32ba1309.7937156@news.gte.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:29:39 GMT Lines: 51 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.ukrainian:18577 soc.culture.baltics:14717 soc.culture.israel:53495 soc.culture.jewish:101471 alt.conspiracy:122731 alt.revisionism:87268 [Follwoup = alt.revisionism] octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes: For those not familiar with the Matt Giwer phenomena, he is the one posting under all these aliases. Matt has been active in alt.revisionism for about a year now, and he gained the reputation of being the most vulgar and stupid of the "revisionists" posting in that group. His articles usually consist of a mixture of outright lies, four-letter words, and threats of inflicting violence on those who disagree with him. He was also thrown out of four ISP's so far, for abuse, sending e-mail bombs, etc. Matt claims to "support freedom of speech", but it didn't stop him from sending an abusive e-mail to my ISP, and demanding that my postings be limited. He also threatened my ISP that he will be e-mail bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. When it was pointed out to Giwer that the construction documents of the Auschwitz-Birkenau crematoriums mention "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in them, he responded that this doesn't prove anything, as this mention may have been due to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men who authored the documents. That is the level and depth of his "revisionist" arguments. Let's see what he writes about Treblinka: # How about none of the survivors coming close to describing # Treblinka? What? Who? What survivors? Anyone in particular you had in mind? Of course not. # How about no two survivors giving the same description of # Treblinka? They all gave the same description, as did all the SS-men who were there: it was a death camp. # How about the survivors who told of impossible things? Such as? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 11:18:54 PST 1996 Article: 87284 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <59g97t$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:08:21 GMT Lines: 46 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Her testimony clearly says that she never saw gas chambers # and it was only based upon rumors. Her testimony clearly says that she participated in the gas chamber selections. One of her duties, which she spoke about, was to chase the victims who tried to escape after being selected to die in the gas chambers, and bring them back to the roll call. Being the lying Nazi that you are, you "forgot" this part of her testimony. # She didn't gas anyone. That's true. But she did testify about the selections. # You should see a rabbi about this lying problem you seem # to have. Look at this Nazi swine, "rblackmore". Save for Matt Giwer, he is the worst liar in this group. A good example is his claim that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS" for mistreating Jews, while in reality he was tried and executed by the Poles after the war. # You need spiritual guidance. Look who's talking... a Nazi swine, who: 1) Constantly lies about the Holocaust (see above). 2) Posts hard-core antisemitic "poems" to a Nazi mailing list (see Gord McFee's articles in which the "poem" is quoted), and then says it was a "joke". 3) Hounds teenage boys on alt.acadia, and then says that it wasn't him, but someone else using his account. You're really a piece of filth, "rblackmore"... a lying, perverted piece of filth. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 12:21:34 PST 1996 Article: 87306 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Freedom-of-Speech Intervenors Needed! Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:41:38 GMT Lines: 13 christ@adnc.com (Chris Winkler) writes: # Freedom-of-Speech Intervenors Needed! Does anyone care # about free speech anymore? I care, which is why I condemn Ernst Zundel's efforts to ban the TV series "Holocaust" and the movie "Schindler's List". Cheers, -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 13:36:23 PST 1996 Article: 87311 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in2.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b712ff.23943505@news.zilker.net> <59gfjq$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:10:57 GMT Lines: 21 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Victims? Roll call was to establish how many people # were present. Mr. "rblackmore" seems to forget, yet again, that his beloved Irma Grese (last seen dangling from a rope in Germany), had testified that roll calls were also held to select victims who were to be murdered in the gas chambers. He also "forgot" that she said one of her jobs in Auschwitz-Birkenau was to chase the victims who tried to escape from these roll calls, bring them back, and beat them up. But, really, I don't think he "forgot" that. I think he knows this very well. And that this is what makes him love and admire Irma Grese so much. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 13:36:24 PST 1996 Article: 87312 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Question... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <59gjnt$cap@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:31:09 GMT Lines: 20 rblackmore@juno.com writes: [To me] # Look who's talking....Mr. Necrophilia. Why am I "Mr. Necrophilia"? Because I post photographs of the victims your beloved Nazis have murdered? You should be proud of these pictures, right? You enjoy watching them, right? They display what you consider the greatest achievement of your Fuehrer, right? So why are you upset when I post them? This is really, really odd. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:10 PST 1996 Article: 87409 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Myshkin vs. Reality Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32b08e84.10718888@news.gte.net> <58qtuf$rjk@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> <32b9f61d.532827@news.gte.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 14:10:00 GMT Lines: 62 octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes: Matt Giwer (using another alias) makes some lame comments on the report sent by Michael Dov Weissmandel. Giwer's comments are preceded by "#". "Information supplied us by a few eyewitnesses reveals that in February there were four disposal buildings. We have learned that more have been built since then". # [And a report that more than four HAVE BEEN built. In # absense of Kremas VI on up the fabrication is obvious He's most probably referring to one of the so-called "Bunkers" which was also used during the murder of the Hungarian Jews, in addition to Kremas II,III,IV and V. "Formerly, the Germans killed and burned the Jews in the Forest of Birkenwald, near Auschwitz. Now the killing and burning take place in the buildings shown on the enclosed map". # [The killing and burning was clearly "IN THE Forest" but # later in buildings. Another clear fabrication. He's obviously referring to the period before the Kremas were built, when the victims were murdered and burned in the so-called "white" and "red" bunkers, which were indeed in the forest. "Silent while thousand on thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered". # And here we have it. A secret German operation that included # the EG and this cave man KNOWS the number of six million even # before it reaches there. This was May 1944. The large majority of the victims were already murdered by then: the Einsatzgruppen victims; those who were murdered in Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno; those who died in the ghettos and in many smaller camps. By May 1944, about 85 percent of the victims, if not more, were already dead. The six million estimate given by Weissmandel is reasonably accurate. And you have proven yourself, yet again, to be an ignorant fool who knows nothing about the history of the Holocaust. You don't have any problems in passing judgment and analyzing events and matters of which you know nothing about. Maybe that's one of the reasons you're unemployed. -Danny Keren. --- In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:10 PST 1996 Article: 87431 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!erix.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.algonet.se!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <59hm4d$9h0@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 22:32:27 GMT Lines: 19 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Back to cases. If corpses are rotting in the water, our # brilliant counselor says, take out the bodies and the water # is pure. Stop being an idiot. The corpses were not in the river's water, which the SS could have easily supplied to the inmates (who in the meanwhile were dying of thirst). The corpses were in water basins in the camp, and they probably got there because the SS-men murdered people and threw them into the basins. The Brits have immediately established running water in the camp, using only equipment they found there. The SS could have done this, had they cared about the inmates. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec 21 22:36:11 PST 1996 Article: 87432 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!erix.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.algonet.se!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'rblackmore' Lies Yet Again (Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer IV) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <59hm9p$9h0@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 22:47:28 GMT Lines: 21 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: ## He [Kramer] was in command of the camp. He made no effort ## to stop what the men under his command were doing. They were ## killing inmates even as the liberators entered the camp. # To bad the "liberators" (who were there by negotiation of the # camp's early surrender at Kramer's instigation) did not report # any such thing. Of course they did. You have the book "The Belsen Trial", right? Look at page 34, the testimony of Brigadier Glyn Hughes. You will *not* get away with these lies, nazi-boy. Didn't you learn this already? I have the book, and I can check what you write. So be careful. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:15 PST 1996 Article: 87506 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!usenet.logical.net!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bf0cf2.2566041@199.0.216.204> <32bc2ca4.7914747@news.gte.net> <32bcae1a.20761814@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:19:24 GMT Lines: 26 himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Grabner) writes: # Any lying kike telling boozing stories. Belsen had exactly # ONE outdoor oven. Was Belsen the only camp in Germany proper? What do you think, Matt? # There are no claims of the EG burning bodies save for # the kike keren's lies. Have you heard of Paul Blobel, who was assigned the task of burning the corpses of those murdered by the Einsatzgruppen? Maybe you should read his testimony? And, as you know well, you cannot show us *one* corpse of someone who died in Dresden. So, where do you go with your "show me all the corpses" argument? # IF you ever sober up, get back to me. If you ever have an answer, get back to me. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:16 PST 1996 Article: 87509 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: GET $50000 with a $5 investment - it's legal - it worked for me and it'll work for you! ONLY 4 weeks and you'll have at least $50000 Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bc4282.5791530@news.ziplink.net> <32bcb508.22536221@news.gte.net> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:21:30 GMT Lines: 10 himmelfarbe@treblinka.fake (Tickle Me Adolph) writes: # Daniel Keren claimed he got 53,664 relatives in the # same amount of time. I never made any such claim. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:17 PST 1996 Article: 87510 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <59iocj$bp8@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:27:35 GMT Lines: 22 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # The emaciated corpses died from disease. These people, and numerous others, were starved to death. # The artifacts allegedly made from corpses of inmates is # a fraud. No, they are not. If you can prove they are, go ahead. # The shrunken head came from a museum in South America. You posted this claim a dozen times. Every time I asked you to provide any evidence whatsoever for it, and every time you have declined. You have also failed to address the fact that the shrunken heads are mentioned in an official correspondence between Nazi officials. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:18 PST 1996 Article: 87519 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A Certain Perspective Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32bf0cf2.2566041@199.0.216.204> <32b89bf0.16949745@news.gte.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:01:03 GMT Lines: 39 octagon@septa.gon (Up front) writes: # If you reduce the bodies to simply their two cubic feet # of water and stack them into a pyramid you get a structure # the size of the great pyramid at Giza and enough left over # in the other 6 million for another pyramid of equal size. There are a few grave (no pun intended) problems with this argument, Matt. 1) Most corpses were burned. This, of course, decreases the volume of the remains by a large factor. 2) Many corpses and huge amount of human remains *were* found. 3) Stalin's regime is alleged to have killed even more than six million. You have admitted that you cannot produce *one* single corpse of one of these victims. You have admitted that you cannot produce *one* single corpse of someone who was killed in the alleged aerial attack on Dresden. So, what you're saying is that not only the Holocaust is a "hoax", but that Stalin's atrocities and Dresden's bombing are a "hoax" as well. Ooops - but you already said that, in a previous article. I knew that it would take a man of your caliber to finally make this major breakthrough in "revisionism". In this great country, even senile, unemployed drunkards like you have their moments of glory. Here's a toast for the senile, unemployed drunkard from Tampa, Matt Giwer. He may be quite a repulsive, boring fellow, but he will go down in history as one of those who shaped "Holocaust revisionism" and carried it to heights unheard of. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:19 PST 1996 Article: 87567 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!uunet!in3.uu.net!uucp1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32BB14C8.76D3@phoenix.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:04:02 GMT Lines: 29 Doc Tavish asks: # Honest question and I am not trying to be a "wise guy" but # what were the standards of nutrition for the civilians # outside the camps? Pretty good. If you look at the photos posted on Nizkor's web site, in the directories http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images You will see that the German civilians and the SS-men and women are very well fed. This is also obvious when watching the movies taken during the liberation of the camps. Moreover, the death rate at the "work camps" was as high as 10 percent a month, long before the end of the war (late 1942), when there was absolutely no lack of food in Germany. Posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec 22 10:06:20 PST 1996 Article: 87589 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request Message-ID: