From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 1 07:50:22 PDT 1996 Article: 70530 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.california,soc.culture.europe,alt.christnet,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politic.misc Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: If the holocaust is not a fake,then why is Ken McVoy and Nizkor so chicken shit to deabet Winston Smith ? Message-ID:Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52oaef$9i9@news.ios.com> <52p05g$2gu@news.ios.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:46:50 GMT Lines: 13 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:70530 alt.california:28151 soc.culture.europe:48413 alt.christnet:110359 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:386882 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 1 07:50:24 PDT 1996 Article: 70567 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!news.ironhorse.com!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OSR - USSR No. 24 Einsatzgruppe A Message-ID: Keywords: Einsatzgruppen, Daugavpils, Riga Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32502cee.27352@news.awinc.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:43:41 GMT Lines: 14 klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes: [Text of USSR No. 24 Einsatzgruppe A] Many thanks for posting these reports. I plan to scan some and post the jpegs to the web site, incluing the "Jager Report". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 1 12:29:17 PDT 1996 Article: 29637 of alt.usenet.kooks Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.usenet.kooks Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Silly superstitious holohuggers think a curse is a death threat Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52m8ni$cnn@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <52phm9$6be@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:44:40 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:70622 alt.usenet.kooks:29637 mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes: # To this idiot a curse is a death threat. "Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the US above all others". You posted this, Matty. In addition to being an outright lie and slander, it's also an explicit threat to kill me. But this is the Nazi way - when you can't win with reason, resort to such tactics. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 1 12:31:54 PDT 1996 Article: 70622 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.usenet.kooks Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Silly superstitious holohuggers think a curse is a death threat Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52m8ni$cnn@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <52phm9$6be@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:44:40 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:70622 alt.usenet.kooks:29637 mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes: # To this idiot a curse is a death threat. "Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the US above all others". You posted this, Matty. In addition to being an outright lie and slander, it's also an explicit threat to kill me. But this is the Nazi way - when you can't win with reason, resort to such tactics. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 1 16:33:32 PDT 1996 Article: 70679 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: The Plunder of the Victims, IV Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:21:19 GMT Lines: 47 Report by SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl to Himmler's office, February 6 1943, listing items plundered from Jewish victims and delivered to various Nazi organizations [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. V, p. 699-703] ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Reich ministry of economics Men's old clothing without underwear 97,000 sets Women's old clothing without underwear 76,000 sets women's silk underwear 89,000 sets Total 34 cars Rags - 400 cars, 2,700,000 Kg Bed feathers - 130 cars, 270,000 Kg Women's hair - 1 car, 3,000 Kg Scrap material - 5 cars, 19,000 Kg 2. Office for Germanization Men's clothing: Pants - 62,000 Shirts - 132,000 . . Shoes - 31,000 pairs Women's clothing: Coats - 155,000 Dresses - 119,000 . . Panties - 60,000 Brassiers - 25,000 Underwear - 22,000 Kerchiefs - 85,000 Shoes - 111,000 . . 211 cars [Many more organizations and items cited] Grand Total 825 cars From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 2 14:39:51 PDT 1996 Article: 70928 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Israel provokes the end of peace Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52f6q1$gpf@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <52p5l7$dnb@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <52prci$r40@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <52s6i5$grd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:00:38 GMT Lines: 59 Giwer wants to kill people who disagree with him about historical facts --------------------------------------- Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty, in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to kill me himself. Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech". Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer for all of this. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996 Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism [Giwer writes to me] # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the # US above all others. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996 Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to # the US. # # The curse is upon him. # # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they # are no loyal Americans. # # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans. # # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996 Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism [Giwer writes to me] # May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your # apart. May you know death from drowning. # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the # end of time and from then into eternity. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 2 14:39:52 PDT 1996 Article: 70929 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Nizkor, why? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:51:45 GMT Lines: 20 writes: # I was shocked to see the sort of degrading (to us all) # language that they utilize when speaking of Matt Giwer. # Why is this? Because Giwer routinely refers to many people on this newsgroup as "piece of shit", "stupid shit", "fat broad", "traitorous scum", etc. He also has this annoying habit of threatening to kill people who disagree with him about various historical events. But this is the type of people who find "revisionism" attractive. But you know this, right? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 2 14:39:53 PDT 1996 Article: 70930 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52pe9l$6be@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <52pm93$mb9@news.enter.net> <52s5cq$grd@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:59:17 GMT Lines: 39 Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony Which Does Not Exist -------------------- Note that Giwer has nothing with which to respond to the fake testimony he posted here just a few days ago. Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in order to "prove" that testimonies of survivors are a "lie". The tactic is simple; "revisionists" use it all the time. They invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one, and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it. # In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the # trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and # Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000 # Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been # gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp. Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such gassing, in order to "prove" that this witness was lying. Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But he can't. Note that his only response to this reasonable request is to spam the group by reposting something totally unrelated. But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic, miserable liar like Giwer. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 2 17:01:02 PDT 1996 Article: 70968 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!news.nacamar.de!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Shhh! Don't mention it Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325275f7.2310145@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:45:41 GMT Lines: 13 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # How many people would think that the main gas said to have been # used for extermination, the gas that is at the center of the # Auschwitz story, was, in Holocaust reality, pellets made for # fumigation purposes. Which releases HCN, the same cyanide gas used for execution in gas chambers in US prisons. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 2 19:29:04 PDT 1996 Article: 70993 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Anne Frank WAS NOT GASSED Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <324ba80c.53567269@news.srv.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:56:24 GMT Lines: 63 Jeffrey writes: # Anne Frank [Notice how AN FAKE can be extracted from her name] It's a great "revisionist" tradition, to joke about a young girl who was murdered by the Nazis. Possibly that's the only way in which they can get themselves aroused? # and her relatives were interned by the Germans. They were # sent to a camp to work. Oh, that "work camp" in Auschwitz, with five huge crematoriums, and 52 cremation furnaces, and "gassing cellars", and "gas chambers" in the crematoriums. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ Vergasungskeller.jpg Document mentioning the "gassing cellar" in Krema II in Birkenau. furnace-capacity.jpg Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours. Gaskammern.jpg Construction document which mentions a "gas chamber" (Gaskammer) in Krema no. 5 in Birkenau. burning-pit.jpg Corpses of victims killed in the gas chambers are burned outside of Krema no. 5. Photograph taken in the summer of 1944, when the Hungarian Jews were murdered at such a rate that the cremation furnaces could not handle the number of corpses. # Anne got sick and was sent to a recovery camp to recover. See http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images For photos from such a "recovery camp". # A camp that became massively overcrowded, where the delousing # apparatus had broken down, where the water supply was polluted, belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: Emaciated corpses of the inmates. buchenwald04.jpg: German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how well-dressed and well-fed they are. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:28 PDT 1996 Article: 71030 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32527626.2356282@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:40:46 GMT Lines: 32 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Yet there are other camps said to have been the centers for the # extermination of far greater numbers. Majdanek is said to have # been a place where 1.5 million were exterminated. Treblinka 2 million. What I read gives about 1.3 million victims for Auschwitz, 360,000 for Maidanek, 700,000 for Treblinka. Auschwitz was indeed the worst camp. # In addition to this, both Treblinka and Majdanek are said to have # been over run by the Soviets while they were still in operation What the hell are you babbling about? Treblinka was dismantled in 1943, after the "sonderkommando" rebellion in which it was partially destroyed. As for Maidanek, one may look at some photographs from there, taken after liberation: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images maidanek-01.jpg Shoes of the victims piled up in Maidanek camp. maidanek-02.jpg Burned corpses of Maidanek inmates. Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg The crematorium in Maidanek. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:29 PDT 1996 Article: 71039 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Strange Holocaust "gas" properties Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3252760a.2328600@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:26:09 GMT Lines: 18 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Yet how many would know that this gas can be picked up, # scattered around, poured and could rattle in cans? Tommy, you poor fellow. It is the Zyklon-B you're talking about, not the gas itself. It's a carrier for the gas. You have yourself mentioned it a few times. Now you seem to be claiming it didn't exist? It was invented in the 1920's. Not even the craziest "revisionist" has yet denied the existence of Zyklon. You must be really going down the tubes. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:29 PDT 1996 Article: 71040 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32527619.2343924@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:33:01 GMT Lines: 31 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Considering how the Soviets had set up a Extraordinary Commission # for the study of war crimes from day one of entering the camps, why # did the Soviets not take photos of the alleged Cremas, even in their # razed state? Of course they did. See Pressac's book. # and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs They did. # or present detailed forensic reports about what was or said to # have been while they had the chance of timely investigation? The ventilation grills were subjected to chemical analysis in 1945. # Why? Because the buildings shown in the Allied aerial photograph # of 1/14/45 weren't Cremas for the mass extermination of human # beings, that's why. Try harder next times. That is, don't base your conclusion on lies which are very stupid and very easy to refute. Poor, poor old Tommy. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:30 PDT 1996 Article: 71066 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <324FBD78.446B@itsa.ucsf.edu> <52tfb6$ksr@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:58:03 GMT Lines: 42 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # What equipment did he have in the camp? learn to read, dummkopf. "To restore the water supply we utilized the water pumps and hose which we found inside the camp to pump water from the river to the camp itself" - testimony of Major Berney, p. 54, "The Belsen Trial". Major Berney also said that he can think of no reason why the Nazis didn't supply water to the inmates. # Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river # was polluted - "He thought it was polluted". # and it probably was. No it was not. Enough already. # It was only in his best interests to supply the inmates with water # if he could. Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709): --------------------------------------------------------------------- The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant, Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply. I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why should you care?". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:31 PDT 1996 Article: 71109 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Haphazard state of affairs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3252763b.2377977@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:52:42 GMT Lines: 28 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # Now this doesn't seem such a bad design, at least when compared # to what they came to build at Auschwitz, which the first two were # built underground making it necessary to carry the thousands of # bodies up the stairs and through a couple of door ways. Of course, an elevator was used to take the corpses to the ground floor where the furnaces were. I guess this was mentioned here a few hundreds of times. But Tommy Moran is a "revisionist scholar". # Why Auschwitz didn't go for the well proven, by Holocaust # accounts, method of extermination by carbon monoxide said to # have been used at other camps to kill millions of people is a wonder. One obvious reason is that Zyklon was used in Auschwitz before Belzec started operating. It worked well and Hoess decided not to switch to using engine exhaust. He also mentions in his memoirs that using engine exhaust sometimes resulted in technical problems, and adds: "Experience had shown that that the preparation of prussic acid [HCN] called Cyclone B caused death with far greater speed and certainty" [p. 133, "KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS"]. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 08:36:32 PDT 1996 Article: 71140 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52slmu$1soq@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <52tmhb$mi5@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:06:07 GMT Lines: 13 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: ## You _post_ the proof of your statements or admit you are ## just fabricating things. # when I get around to it. Will that be before Giwer gets a job? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 12:05:47 PDT 1996 Article: 71205 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news1.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam - Part 4 Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52rqmc$ka2@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <52t8pf$i6t@juliana.sprynet.com> <52v3aj$3ks@access5.digex.net> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:48:37 GMT Lines: 62 This is a verbatim quote from the cross-examination of Fred Leuchter, "revisionist scholar, engineer and scientist": [Pages 9196-9198 of the transcript in Zundel's trial. Cross-examination conducted by Mr. Pearson]: Q: Now, Mr. Leuchter, Mr. Christie, when he was reviewing your qualifications, said that, if my note is correct, you graduated from university in a field that entitles you to function as as engineer and you responded in the affirmative to that question? A: Yes. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree. Q: You graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree? A: Right. Q: When? A: You mean what year? Q: What year? A: 1964. Q: 1964. And that's the only University degree you have? A: That's correct. Q: You don't have a Bachelor of Science degree? A: No. Q: You don't have a Master of Science degree; you don't have a Ph.D in science? A: Correct. Q: You don't have a degree in engineering? A: That's correct. Q: Do you belong to any supervising disciplinary professional body? A: I don't understand the question, counselor. Q: Well, do you belong to a governing body of engineers? A: I -- governing body? I do not understand. Are you saying do I belong to any scientific societies? Q: No, is there any body of engineers that supervises you and disciplines you in your engineering function? A: No. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 12:05:48 PDT 1996 Article: 71209 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news1.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Flying Saucers Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52updn$pcp@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:33:23 GMT Lines: 20 The crazed Matt Giwer is now trying to defend the claims of Ernst Zundel, "leading Holocaust revisionist", that the Nazi leadership escaped to the inner earth via a "hole in the South-Pole", using "secret UFO's". http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers Zundel, remember, also claims to have met the "German scientists" who designed and built the UFO's. Is Giwer mad enough to believe this stuff? Apparently, yes. Or, is he desperately trying to save the reputation of Ernst Zundel, another crazed liar? Like someone trapped in quicksand, poor old Giwer sinks deeper and deeper, every time he tries to get himself out. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 12:05:49 PDT 1996 Article: 71217 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32527619.2343924@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:41:54 GMT Lines: 31 The question which Tommy Moran doesn't ask, and can't answer, is the following: Why on earth did the SS destroy the crematoriums before evacuating the camp? It is clear that, had these installations been innocent, they would leave them standing for the world to see. There were a few occasions in which the International Red Cross visited the camp. But they were never taken to the Birkenau crematoriums. Now, if there was nothing criminal about these installations, why on earth didn't the SS take the IRC visitors to see them? Any "revisionist" explanation for this? Of course not. Reports about the gassing in various camps began in 1942. If no gassing was taking place, the Nazis would obviously have taken the IRC delegates to these camps; they would have taken them to Treblinka, to the Birkenau crematoriums, etc, and tell them "see for yourself, there's no mass murder taking place here". But they didn't. Because, like the "revisionists" today, they tried to conceal the truth. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 12:05:49 PDT 1996 Article: 71240 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:17:03 GMT Lines: 22 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: # It was that well known Polish JEW, Louis Felix Dzerzhinski, # whose headquarters instilled fear in every innocent taken # there for torture!!! Dzerzhinski was a Jew? # No wonder the Unrainians hate the Jews and the KGB/OGPU/NKVD # etc., all run and controlled by JEWS,such as Lavrenti Beria. Beria, of course, was not a Jew, but a Mingrelian. # Remember the enforced starvation of 1933 when the Jewish NKVD # stole all the food in the Ukraine, so that they could live # high on the hog in Russia?? "Stole all the food"? Where did they hide it? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 3 21:26:11 PDT 1996 Article: 71469 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32527619.2343924@199.0.216.204> <3253d600.3876386@199.0.216.204> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:27:10 GMT Lines: 44 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: [On Moran's claim that the Soviets didn't take any photos of Auschwitz after liberation] ## Of course they did. See Pressac's book. # Pressacs book? Why not your websites. If it's not on "your website" it doesn't exist? ### and why didn't the Soviets take any photographs ## They did. # Wherzat? In Pressac's book. # I have never seen any. That's your problem. ## The ventilation grills were subjected to chemical analysis ## in 1945. # I've never seen this one. That's another problem. # Are you going to expand on it, or leave it at that? It's in Pressac's book too. Look it up. # Either way. I take it this is the only one. "Ventilation # grills"? Yes. The ventilation grills of the gas chamber in Krema III. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 4 17:24:39 PDT 1996 Article: 71613 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:44:20 GMT Lines: 53 It's been more than a month now, and Matt Giwer has not yet posted the name of the person who allegedly gave the testimony he mentions below. Yet, he keeps insisting he's not lying, and that such testimony was indeed given. Why can't he tell us who gave it? Giwer is a crazed liar. Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony Which Does Not Exist -------------------------------- Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in order to "prove" that testimonies of survivors are a "lie". The tactic is simple; "revisionists" use it all the time. They invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one, and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it. # In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the # trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and # Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000 # Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been # gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp. Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such gassing, in order to "prove" that this witness was lying. Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But he can't. Note that his only response to this reasonable request is to spam the group by reposting something totally unrelated. The truth is that a Jewish doctor did testify about the murder of the Lodz Jews in gas chambers, but he said it took place in Auschwitz, not Belsen; also, he didn't say they were all murdered in one night. Our pathological liar posts an "edited" version of the testimony. But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic, miserable liar like Giwer. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:36 PDT 1996 Article: 72089 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32548DDB.794B@itsa.ucsf.edu> <533395$sfh@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:42:05 GMT Lines: 10 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Zyklon is lighter than air. No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas, and it's certainly not lighter than air. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:37 PDT 1996 Article: 72090 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:52:05 GMT Lines: 32 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # On the one side we have people reporting IMT eyewitness # claims which are impossible, Such as? # cremation rates which are impossible, Such as? # disposal rates of ash which are impossible. What? # Think of the logistics of such figures. It's awesome. # In Britain, we have a supposed danger from BSE infected # cattle. It is proposed to kill and incinerate 180,000 of # the animals. Guess what? There is a logistical problem. There was no problem in burning about 250,000 cows during the hoof-and-mouth epidemic in Britain in the 1960's. Not to mention that a cow weighs much more than a human. # The reality is bad. The Myth is disgusting. Yes, indeed, the myth spread by a tiny number of crazed Nazis - namely, that the Holocaust never took place - is disgusting. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:37 PDT 1996 Article: 72093 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Evil Palestinians Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32526d55.100018@199.0.216.204> <3254f519.247107@199.0.216.204> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 10:09:13 GMT Lines: 51 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # The total of kids shot under the age of twenty was over 900. Source? Anyway, "under 20" is not equivalent to "kids". # I don't know how many of the Israelis were killed. But it # wasn't any 400. That's the approximate figure as I recall. I guess one can check these things. At any rate, I agree that the IDF - especially in the early stages of the intifada - failed to find the correct response, and that too many people died. If my opinion is of interest to my two secret admirers on the newsgroup, I also believe that the Israeli Govt. is dead wrong in what it is doing; I believe the territories should be given to the Palestinians to have their country. It's a risk, but it's a risk Israel has to take. # And none of them was killed by rocks. Untrue. # The 1000 figure you give for the killing of collaborators is way # over what it was. No it's not. -Danny Keren. ----- Tommy Moran pulls his Streicher schtick: From tm@pacificnet.net Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics. Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their arms in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their hands from flailing about. They also shuffle in place. Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:38 PDT 1996 Article: 72094 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!swrinde!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!news.nacamar.de!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534f2u$7tc@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 10:21:27 GMT Lines: 24 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # I notice our resident computer scientist fails to post the # actual testimony but expects his simple statement of same to # be accepted. The testimony is in "The Belsen Trial". # On the other hand it fails to address the 80,000 in one night # at Auschwitz thinking it has made a point with the issue of # the camp. A) The witness didn't claim that 80,000 were murdered in one night. B) Matt Giwer lied, claiming the testimony was given about Belsen, when in fact it was given about Auschwitz. # I could make up a name and you would not know the difference. Giwer is a liar. He posts fake testimony. That is that. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:39 PDT 1996 Article: 72099 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 10:48:34 GMT Lines: 33 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # 33 years before he testified as an eye witness who saw people # being gassed. But Muench didn't even bothered himself to build # a coherent story by picking up officials informations before to # testify. He placed the crematoria and the gas chamber building # one or 1 1/2 kilometer on the sout west of Birkenau camouflaged # in a small woods. It can't be even a misunderstanding with the # 1942 farmhouse: He's probably referring to Krema IV or V, which were surrounded by trees. Moreover, one of the "bunkers" was used again during the summer of 1944. # The fact here is that accounting for his testimony at the Farben # trial, it is obvious that Muench never saw the gassing that he # described. Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones who know what happened in the camps, although A) They were not in them during the war. B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version. They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy - is a liar, and only they know the truth. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:40 PDT 1996 Article: 72100 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,ab.general,can.politics Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.postech.ac.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.walltech.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET MCVEY'S A LIAR Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <531bf5$f2b@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <536dcn$4os@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:01:26 GMT Lines: 40 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:72100 can.general:92715 ab.general:12896 can.politics:75101 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # Read the information holohuggers fear [...] Giwer is still posting the address of Ernst Zundel's web site as a reliable source on the history of WW2. Another web site offered by Giwer is Greg Raven's; Raven wrote on the net that Hitler was a "great man, and the best thing that could have happened to Germany". Returning to Zundel: this "leading Holocaust revisionist" also claims that the Nazi leadership escaped the Reich, during the end of WW2, and fled into the inner earth via a "hole" in the South-Pole, using "secret UFO's". He even claimed to have met some of the "German scientists" who built these "UFO's"... See text and image files from Zundle's publications on these fascinating matters: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers On a more serious note, you can look at the Nizkor web site (http://www.nizkor.org) for information on the Holocaust and on Holocaust-denial. Recently, some photographs documenting Nazi atrocities were included as jpeg files. Some are available at: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:41 PDT 1996 Article: 72103 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!v_mail.supra.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Made from 100% pure Jewess hair Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534bid$3ps@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <534hlq$dk7@news.enter.net> <536h0p$4os@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:10:56 GMT Lines: 23 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # Another dickless one speaks up. And Matt Giwer, another vulgar, jobless fool, who can't find a job although he declares his IQ to be 163, vomits trash into the net. # The subject is that there has never been any object ever # discovered that was manufactured of Pure Jewess Hair. A small rug, or doormat, made of human hair, was found and is now in Yad-Vashem. But more than that: huge amounts of human hair were found in Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they are still there. Perhaps Giwer will explain why the Nazis had all this hair collected and stored, if they didn't plan to use it for something? Have a go at it Matty; show us dem 163 IQ points in action. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:42 PDT 1996 Article: 72104 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!nntp.zit.th-darmstadt.de!news.nacamar.de!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45 Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32551ab0.5690027@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <5331mh$sfh@juliana.sprynet.com> <537g4b$10o8@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:26:43 GMT Lines: 16 rblackmore@juno.com wrote: # First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that # many of their reports and figures were exaggerated. That's a true pearl of "Holocaust revisionism". He's telling us that the commanders tried to make it look as if they killed *more* Jewish women and children than they really did! Why would they do that? Only, of course, if killing more Jewish women and children would have made them look better in the eyes of their superiors. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:42 PDT 1996 Article: 72105 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Made from 100% pure Jewess hair Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <536lbn$ao3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:15:48 GMT Lines: 18 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # Now that the human hair myth has fallen again, But Giwer also apparently believes the Nazis escaped into the inner earth with "secret UFO's". At any rate, he is a fan of Ernst Zundel, who claims this. Why is there such a huge amount of human hair in Auschwitz? Why did the SS collect and store it, if they didn't plan to use it? You poor fool. Get a job already. At this rate, not even the IHR will hire you. -Danny Keren From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:43 PDT 1996 Article: 72108 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!news.nacamar.de!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <537fgd$p23@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:38:05 GMT Lines: 35 The following photos are in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/ Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz and Belsen). http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/ Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of corpses in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/ Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz II (Birkenau) and later Belsen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:44 PDT 1996 Article: 72109 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!news.nacamar.de!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <537fgd$p23@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:40:16 GMT Lines: 17 In the course of your career have you ever seen anything like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen anything to touch it. Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that camp? -- Absolutely none. Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from "The Belsen Trial", p. 35. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:45 PDT 1996 Article: 72110 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <537fgd$p23@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:36:42 GMT Lines: 11 It's true: most of the victims in Belsen camp died from starvation and from typhus. Since no one cared enough to feed them, or to give them water, or to make any effort whatsoever to save them, they died. This is murder just as shooting or gassing someone is murder; it only takes more time and is more painful. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:46 PDT 1996 Article: 72111 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <537fgd$p23@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:44:37 GMT Lines: 43 Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there: (p. 60-61) We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near. [...] I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been vast numbers - certainly five figures. You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit on the head. (p. 62) I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to see people go through at the double dragging the dead body behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible, hundreds were shot per day. [1] Ethnic Germans ("Volkdeutche") from Hungary who were recruited to the SS. From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Oct 6 08:48:46 PDT 1996 Article: 72112 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!v_mail.supra.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <537fgd$p23@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:42:04 GMT Lines: 17 Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709): --------------------------------------------------------------------- The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant, Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply. I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why should you care?". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:54 PDT 1996 Article: 72265 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.math.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534j37$dk7@news.enter.net> <534j37$dk7@news.enter.net> <535ga3$1f2@juliana.sprynet.com> <538n5r$ede@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:06:46 GMT Lines: 18 I am asking our "revisionist scholars" yet again: if there was nothing criminal taking place in the Birkenau crematoriums, why didn't the SS take the Red Cross visitors into them? Heck, that's what I would do if I was running a camp with innocent crematoriums, used only to cremate corpses, and there were accusations that they had homicidal gas chambers in them. I'd take the Red Cross visitors right inside the kremas, and show them that these accusations are groundless. I would also invite journalists, whatever, to prove this. But we all know why this was not done, don't we? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:54 PDT 1996 Article: 72266 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534f2u$7tc@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53a1us$lio@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:32:24 GMT Lines: 26 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # Once more, little jerkoff jew, you fail to address the OR in his # statement. Murdered OR burned in a single night is the issue and # you will not touch it with a ten foot Pollack. He said nothing about 80,000 people being murdered or burned in one night. You're still a liar, who posted testimony which does not exist, in an attempt to discredit Holocaust survivors. You intentionally changed the camp from Auschwitz to Belsen. You're a disgusting liar. # Give it up, little jew shit. Find a job, you miserable fool. # You are dealing with your betters here. The fact that you are unemployed since the age of 46, is taking its toll on you. It has made you frustrated, angry and hateful, not to mention your other mental problems. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:55 PDT 1996 Article: 72268 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!super.zippo.com!zdc-e!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET MCVEY'S A LIAR Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <536dcn$4os@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53a2re$102@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:54:04 GMT Lines: 22 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # Keren still pretends that his obvious bloodlust hatred of # everyting German is a rational position in the world. Quite amusing to read this, since I have no hatered for Germans; my favorite authors are mostly German, and I have German friends. I may spend a month next year in one of the Max Planck institutes, and I am looking forward that possibility. Wanna join me, Matty? Surely even Max Planck can use a 163-IQ type like you (ha) with so much knowledge of physics (ha-ha) and mathematics (ha-ha-ha). # It actually believes that nothing German can have any value # whatsoever. No. I believe nothing Nazi has any value whatsoever. And I don't like Nazi scum, whether they are German, American, or British. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:56 PDT 1996 Article: 72269 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> <53ae6e$erh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:34 GMT Lines: 30 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # I have posted the overall picture of Birkenau which included IV # and V and they are as close to the barracks as the barracks are # to each other. What is their location with regard to the SS HQ in Birkenau? What is the location of the so-called "bunkers"? # There are no trees any where in sight. You must be blind. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg These are not trees? # Grow up and get a life beyond the holocaust. Please get a job and become a productive member of society, instead of a leech. # You are lying. And you konw you are lying. I know these things in the photo are not trees? What are they then? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:57 PDT 1996 Article: 72270 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Nazi Terror in Poland Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:27:27 GMT Lines: 50 More excerpts from the work diary of Hans Frank, governor of Nazi-occupied Poland, regarding the reign of terror imposed on the Poles by the Nazi occupying forces. These are also taken >from document PS-2233, and appear in "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV. Page 907 (Frank speaks in department heads meeting, 8 March 1940): "Wherever there is the least attempt by the Poles to start anything, an enormous campaign of destruction directed against the Poles will follow". Page 909 (Frank speaks in department heads meeting, 19 December 1940): "The Pole must feel here that we are not building him a legal state, but that for him there is only one duty, namely, to work and to behave himself. It is clear that this leads sometimes to difficulties, but you must in your own interest see, that all measures are ruthlessly carried out in order to become master of the situation". Page 911 (Frank speaks in a conference of the District Standartenfuehrer of the NSDAP, 18 March 1942): "You see how the state agencies work. You see that we do not hesitate before anything, and stand whole dozens of people up against the wall. This is necessary because here simple consideration says that it cannot be our task at this period when the best German blood is being sacrificed to show regard for the blood of another race". Page 917 (Frank in a speech to members of the District Standortfuehrung, 14 January 1944): "Once we have won the war, then, for all I care, mincemeat can be made of the Poles and the Ukrainians and all the others who run around here - it doesn't matter what happens". Page 917 (Frank in a meeting of the Political Leaders of the NSDAP): "I have not been hesitant in declaring that when a German is shot, up to 100 Poles shall be shot too". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:57 PDT 1996 Article: 72271 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:29:07 GMT Lines: 30 Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal [Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135] --------------------------------------------------------------- 11. The general situation of the clergy in the Archdiocese of Poznan in the beginning of April 1940 is summarized in the following words of Cardinal HLOND's second report: " 5 priests shot 27 priests confined in harsh concentration camps at Stutthof and in other camps 190 priests in prison or in concentration camps at Bruczkow, Chludowo, Goruszki, Kazimiers Biskupi, Lad, Lublin and Puszczykowo 35 priests seriously ill in consequence of ill-treatment 122 parishes entirely left without priests." 12. In the diocese of Chelmo, where about 650 priests were installed before the war, only 3% were allowed to stay, the 97% of them were imprisoned, executed or put into concentration camps. 13. By January 1941 about 700 priests were killed, 3,000 were in prison or concentration camps. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:58 PDT 1996 Article: 72272 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: The Nazi Plundering and Starvation of the Polish Population Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:25:38 GMT Lines: 55 Here are a few excerpts from the work diary of Hans Frank, governor of Nazi-occupied Poland, in which he discusses the plundering of Poland and the systematic starvation of the Polish population (Frank also mentions that about a million Poles have been rounded up and sent as slave labor force to Germany). All quotes are from "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV. All are taken from document 2233-PS. Page 914: on 20 November 1942, Frank discusses food plundered from Poland and sent to Germany: "Of the total 180,000 head of cattle to be delivered, 159,000 have been delivered to the Reich up to now. 360,000,000 eggs have been collected. 92,000,000 of those eggs were delivered for the Reich, and 85,000,000 are already in possession of the Reich... It was stated in the decree of 25 August 1942 that a decrease in the rations should occur, respectively that rations should be denied completely to the Polish population not working for the German interest". Page 915: in a meeting (14 December 1942) Frank mentions more food supplies taken from Poland: "I will endeavor to get out of the reservoir of this territory everything that is yet to be got out of it. When you consider that it was possible for me to deliver to the Reich 600,000 tons of bread grain, and in addition 180,000 tons to the Armed Forces stationed here..." Those who suffered from this ruthless plundering of Poland's resources were, of course, the Poles. On page 909, we have the following: "Obermedizinalrat Dr. Walbaum expresses his opinion of the health condition of the Polish population. Investigations which were carried out by his department proved that the majority of Poles eat only about 600 calories, whereas the normal requirement for a human being is 2,200 calories. The Polish population was enfeebled to such an extent that it would fall an easy prey to spotted fever..." -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:59 PDT 1996 Article: 72273 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <539vga$mds@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:21:29 GMT Lines: 31 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # It appears that all of the "guilt" of Kramer at Bergen-Belsen # rests totally and completely upon the British claim that the # Brits were able to do something in five days that Kramer did # not try to do in the last thirty days. Kramer was accused by the Brits of crimes in Birkenau and Belsen. Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp, and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty, it's murder. The following photos are in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:32:59 PDT 1996 Article: 72274 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: mountains of shoes and hair Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53ag72$mf3@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:42:45 GMT Lines: 21 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # They were always discovered but then why were they never # shipped out? Many were shipped out; but the SS ran out of time. # Tons of hair a jewish soap discovered and never used. Tons of hair were discovered in Auschwitz; the hair is still there. Same story - they didn't have time to ship it out. # How strange. Only for someone like you. When you claimed to have an IQ of 163, didn't you really mean "163 working neurons"? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 07:33:00 PDT 1996 Article: 72275 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Chuckle Fairy Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53aesu$hui@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:37:56 GMT Lines: 19 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # In case I need to remind anyone, the Chuckle Fairy has claimed # to have been one of the people who murdered the guards at Dachau. I recall he posted witnessing the shooting of the SS guards, not that he participated in it. Could you post the article in which he allegedly said to have participated? Please, no "look it up on dejanews". You made the statement, you prove it by posting the article, if it exists. If you don't post it, we will have yet another proof that you are a pathological liar. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 10:05:36 PDT 1996 Article: 72334 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.walltech.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <3258dcd4.507850@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:57:03 GMT Lines: 104 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # For example, as you pretend not to know, may I refer you to the # repeated posting of Ada Lichtmann's testimony at the Demjanjuk trial. # In her testimony, she speaks of the sound of the laughter of fighter # pilots who were machine-gunning the boarded up train cattle car in # which she was travelling, amongst other things. I would venture to # suggest that it would not be possible for her to hear their laughter, # nor even see their faces. To expand, (as you seem to be in naive and # stupid mode at present). # 1. The sound of a fighter plane engine is rather louder than that # of a person laughing. The sound of a strong engine is loud indeed. However, sit in a car with a strong engine, rev it up, and scream. Will someone standing by hear you scream? # 2. The sound of machine guns is louder than human laughter. Didn't she explicitly say that she heard them laugh when they were not shooting? # 3. The cattle car in which Miss Lichtmann was travelling was boarded # up, reducing any chance of reception of the higher frequencies of the # human voice. Eh? # 4. The dying, who were close to the witness, were screaming. This # would tend to mask the sound of laughter from a pilot who was at least # 50 or 60 feet away from Miss Lichtmann. Has it occurred to you that people can hear and identify many sounds at the same time, or during a very short time? # 5. The pilot might have been wearing an oxygen mask - which would # have further reduced any escaping sound. At such a low height, he would have to wear an oxygen mask? What is this rubbish? # 6. The cockpit of the fighter plane would probably have been closed - # further reducing the escape of the sound of laughter. And if the pilot opened it? What you did was present testimony which may be false. I am not sure. People in such a situation - being shot at - are, possibly, not the most accurate witnesses. Then, you switch to the typical "revisionist" rubbish of "since this testimony is false, the Holocaust is a hoax". So, since we have "testimony" about Dresden's bombing which is obviously insane, we can, by the same "logic", decide that the city was never bombed. # Later in the same testimony, we hear of people being taken off the # train and being forced to dance. Not impossible I grant you, but so # impractical. The Nazis did practice this kind of "fun". There are some rather well-known photos, of German soldiers brutalizing Jews (kicking them, cutting their beards). # This gives us: # 60 / 7.9 = 7.594936708 minutes per body. But a few corpses (usually 3) were cremated in the same muffle. No big problem; this is not standard procedure, out of obvious reasons (respect for the dead, the need to collect the ashes of each separate corpse), but these were not factors in Birkneau. Moreover, there was a high percentage of children and infants among the victims, and their corpses occupy much less space. These figures are supported by Nazi documents. But perhaps the best refutation of this particular piece of "revisionist" rubbish is the fact that the Germans burned numerous corpses of people who died in Dresden, in rather the same method they burned corpses in some of the camps. I have posted to Nizkor's site a photo of corpses being burned in that manner; one has to assume that, next, "revisionists" will claim that Jews and "Aryans" don't burn in the same way? # Really Mr Keren, this is getting laughable. I refer you to the amount # of ash, 6 or 7 pound weight per body, disposed of in Treblinka, a # small site. If there were 1000,000 people cremated there, whether in # pits or ovens, then there would have to be at least 6000,000 pounds of # ash. That is a lot of volume of ash to be disposed of. Rubbish, plain and simple. In terms of volume, relative to the volume of earth in which the ashes were discarded, it's tiny. You obviously cannot handle basic arithmetic. Reminds me of another "leading revisionist" in this group. Moreover, ashes and human remains *were* found, mixed with earth, up to a depth of 7.5 meters in Treblinka. Re the burning of the cows: just tell us how many cows were burned after the hoof-and-mouth epidemic of the 1960's, and how much time it took. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:31 PDT 1996 Article: 72352 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: what we find... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a0ou$9hs@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:04:00 GMT Lines: 59 Giwer wants to kill people who disagree with him about historical facts --------------------------------------- Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty, in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to kill me himself. Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech". Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer for all of this. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996 Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism [Giwer writes to me] # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the # US above all others. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996 Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to # the US. # # The curse is upon him. # # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they # are no loyal Americans. # # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans. # # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996 Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism [Giwer writes to me] # May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your # apart. May you know death from drowning. # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the # end of time and from then into eternity. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:33 PDT 1996 Article: 72363 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Giwer - head up arse again... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a2re$102@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53bb91$8bd@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:23:38 GMT Lines: 31 dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes: # mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: ## Keren still pretends that his obvious bloodlust hatred of ## everyting German is a rational position in the world. It ## actually believes that nothing German can have any value ## whatsoever. # Where did Danny Keren show an "obvious bloodlust hatred # of everything German"? Nowhere and never, of course. But you have to understand poor old Matt Giwer. He is a man who has failed in everything he ever tried to do; a hateful, vulgar, crazed fool whose only goal in life is to "get even" with various people, and/or groups of people, he thinks are guilty of the fact that his life had been such a colossal failure. Just look at him - a person who claims to have an IQ of 163, yet has been unemployed since the age of 46, and who cannot grasp basic arithmetic, nor highschool physics and chemistry. He's full of hate, he's frustrated and mad as hell, so he resorts to the old Goebbels tactic - lying and slandering his opponents. That's all he can do. That's how he was born, that's how he lives, that's how he will die. No one can help him. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:33 PDT 1996 Article: 72366 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photograph: Document About Killing With Poison Gas Jews 'Unfit For Work' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:30:02 GMT Lines: 15 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/ wetzel-lohse-01.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/ wetzel-lohse-02.jpg Two pages of letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941, about murdering Jews "unfit for work" using poison gas. Translation in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/wetzel.102541 -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:34 PDT 1996 Article: 72367 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photograph: Medical 'Experiments' in NATZWEILER (Strasbourg) Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:27:56 GMT Lines: 16 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images MedExp03.jpg: The horror in Natzweiler (Strasbourg): the dissected corpses of victims used for Dr. Hirt's "anthropological research". See photographs of relevant documents in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hirt.august/images (Translation to be added soon). -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:35 PDT 1996 Article: 72368 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: what we find... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a0ou$9hs@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:24:23 GMT Lines: 4 In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:35 PDT 1996 Article: 72369 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photograph: Brack's Plan To Kill 'Only' 80 Percent Of the Jews Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:29:05 GMT Lines: 19 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/ brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg and http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/ brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30 percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them. Translation of the relevant excerpt is in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/ brack-to-himmler-062342 -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 12:34:36 PDT 1996 Article: 72371 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: 'Show Trials'? No, Just Another 'Revisionist' Lie Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325281e2.156228128@news.zilker.net> <530324$kvr@juliana.sprynet.com> <32639715.10496293@news.inetport.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:33:29 GMT Lines: 38 This is excerpted from "The Belsen Trial", p. 254-6. The accused is SS-woman Irma Grese; she is interrogated by Colonel Backhouse about her crimes in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Note how she responds to the questions. Only a "revisionist" nut would claim that this exchange could have taken place at a "show trial". Colonel Backhouse: I suggest to you that you gave evidence at an enquiry against a guard who had refused to shoot people crossing the wire on the grounds that you had sent them over deliberately? Grese: You can think what you like, but it is a lie, and it is wrong. [...] Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard as you could with your heavy boots? Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie. So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars". Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla. "Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 13:47:46 PDT 1996 Article: 72375 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photograph: Rascher's Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:31:20 GMT Lines: 35 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/ images/Rascher1.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/ images/Rascher2.jpg Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation courtesy of John Morris. Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief als "Geheimsache." [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz] anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the action. Up till now there have only been animal tests or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter marked "Secret"]. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Oct 7 13:47:48 PDT 1996 Article: 72380 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52khfn$p0h@faith.total.net> <538ltt$gao@faith.total.net> <53b28h$gn7@news1.total.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:46:59 GMT Lines: 26 jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes: # You friend dr. Keren IS A first rate skeptical if not downwright # DENIER about the atrocities,-- rape and bloody murder by the # Soviet hordes, -- when he asked me for EVIDENCE. If you people are going to play this game, play it fair. By "revisionist" standards, you have to supply very strong physical and documentary evidence for this claim. For instance, they demand to see 6 million corpses of Jews as a proof for the Holocaust. If you don't have the evidence, then, by "revisionist" standards, you're a liar and hatemonger. Do you have it? Yes or no? Or do you reject the "method" of "Holocaust revisionism"? You can't have it both ways. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:33:56 PDT 1996 Article: 72545 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a1us$lio@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53bsk7$56e@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:03:51 GMT Lines: 34 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # You even quoted the 80,000. To refresh your memory, it is # again. Notice where it says 80,000 gassed or BURNED TO DEATH # in a single night. He didn't say that they were all killed in one night. That's one lie you posted. The other lie you posted is that this testimony was given about Belsen, when in fact it was given about Auschwitz. Face it, you're a pathological liar. All "revisionists" I have seen are liars; but you're the most stupid one, and the worst liar. By this I mean that you post the largest number of lies, and, moreover, you post very stupid lies which are very easy to expose. You are not even smart enough to post lies that are harder to detect. But, I guess, if you were smarter, you wouldn't be unemployed since the age of 46, eh? # Why is it you REFUSE to address what it plainly says and # then deny that it says was you refuse to address? What am I refusing to address? You posted a testimony which does not exist. You're a liar. Period. If you claim you posted real testimony, supply us with the name of the person who gave it. But you can't. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:33:57 PDT 1996 Article: 72554 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: DON'T FORGET JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <199610030728.AAA20196@zorro.bctel.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:47:42 GMT Lines: 30 acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca writes: # The fact that the JEWS controlled the Soviet secret Police You mean like the non-Jew, Beria? # After all, if the JEWS have murdered many millions before WWII, But they didn't. Stalin did. He was not a Jew. Sorry about that. # how can one believe their lies regarding supposedly lost Jews # in the war? But the information is from German sources and documents. # Particularly when the respected International Red Cross stated # that only 320,000 Jews were unaccounted for as a result of the war??? An old "revisionist" lie. The IRC denies ever having produced such statistics. I have seen no "revisionist" supply a source for this figure. BTW, it was posted that you lived in Germany during WW2, and were a member of the "Hitler Youth". Is this true? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:33:58 PDT 1996 Article: 72577 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <3258dcd4.507850@news.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:51:57 GMT Lines: 87 Fergus McClelland writes: # So, you say that this "evidence" is "rubbish"? No. Maybe you should learn to read. # This is just one example out of many, mentioned only because you # asked for it. What about the tearing babies up with bare hands stuff? Manner of speech, probably. "Mike Tyson tore the other boxer to pieces". Doesn't mean he actually tore the other guy's hands and legs off. ## So, since we have "testimony" about Dresden's bombing which is ## obviously insane, we can, by the same "logic", decide that the ## city was never bombed. # Did I say that? No. But this is a direct continuation of your line of argument. # But then, nobody is trying to claim that the bombing of Dresden # was a "race crime" and that the world has got to feel guilty # about it and pay for it ad infinitum with compounded interest. Totally irrelevant. This is a rather lame attempt on your side to evade the issue. The issue is the "revisionist" claim that, since some testimonies about the Holocaust are inaccurate, this means the Holocaust is a "hoax". Well, we have positively insane testimonies about Dresden's bombing. We have positively insane testimonies about Soviet atrocities against German civilians. Using the very same "revisionist logic", we arrive at the "revisionist breakthrough" that Dresden was not bombed, and that there were no such Soviet atrocities. ## The Nazis did practice this kind of "fun". There are some rather ## well-known photos, of German soldiers brutalizing Jews (kicking ## them, cutting their beards). # But they made the trains run on time! Surely, if they kept stopping # them for a disco and a short back and sides, they would have been late # arriving at the platform. And who said the trains were stopped for that reason? # I'm sure that the Germans did "brutalize" Jews and many others, # though a beard cutting would not mean much to me. Who the hell cares what it would mean to you? # So, they were mostly little bodies eh? Why was that? What percentage # please were half-adult sized? Your lame attempts at sarcasm are not doing you very good. Nearly all the deportees who were "unfit for work" were killed immediately. These included children and infants. ## These figures are supported by Nazi documents. # Please let us have sight of them. A very well-known one is the following: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours. # Please show the correct calculations, to show me where I have gone # wrong. Don't just accuse me - show me. I will admit to being wrong # if you prove me to be so. You claimed 6,000,000 pounds of ash. That's about 2,700 (metric) tons. Assuming the density of water, that's approximately equivalent to a cube 14 x 14 x 14 meters in dimension. The actual volume was smaller, as, again, there were many children and infants among the victims. But, even if it was 14 x 14 x 14: compute the relative volume of this amount, over a large area (say, 200 x 200 meters), with a depth of up to 7.5 meters. According to my computer, 14^3/(200*200*7.5) = 0.00914. I'll let you translate that into percentages. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:33:59 PDT 1996 Article: 72578 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!nntp.zit.th-darmstadt.de!news.nacamar.de!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <3258dcd4.507850@news.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 06:59:30 GMT Lines: 12 Fergus McClelland whines: # Now, what about the money that I consider you, if you are a Jew, # owe to this country for the war and Israel? Well, clown, if we're playing such games, what about you paying the good old US of A back for saving your butt in WW2? Heck, if it were not for the US, you'd probably be singing the "Horst Wessel" every morning. Or maybe you're singing it nontheless? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:33:59 PDT 1996 Article: 72579 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: What happend to Dan Gannon? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53ccp1$ee1@atheria.europa.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 07:06:36 GMT Lines: 18 lfshort@europa.com (lynn falkow-short) asks: # Over the years I've followed this newsgroup and the postings # of Dan Gannon with a mixture of anger and an admittedly weird # interest. I heard recently that Mr. Gannon's BBS called Bannished # CPU is down and callers are getting a message that the number has # been disconnected. Anyone know what ever happend to him? Have no idea what happened to good-old Nazi boy. However, since the IHR has its own account and web site, I guess they just didn't need him anymore. He was never much more than a robot, who would obediently post their material. Now, they can do it themselves, or by using the Giwer-robot (a new breakthrough in AI, with 163 IQ points! :-) ). -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:34:00 PDT 1996 Article: 72650 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53d106$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:38:06 GMT Lines: 44 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones ## who know what happened in the camps, although ## ## A) They were not in them during the war. # Note: Danny Keren claims to be an authority on what happened # inside and outside of the camps, yet he was never in them. No, Nazi-boy. Unlike you, I don't claim to know better than each and every one who was in them. ## B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the ## war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version. # Paul Rassinier was. That's one. Good for you. However, I don't count Rassinier, as he was not in any of the camps in which the large-scale murder in gas chambers took place. ## They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was ## in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy - is a liar, ## and only they know the truth. # Let's try ex-commandant of Auschwitz, Richard Baer. Don't start with the crap about "Baer denied the gassings". He never did that; he only said he was not guilty, as they took place in Birkenau (Auschwitz II) while he was in Auschwitz I. # After that, let's try Artur Breitweiser.... Go ahead. He never denied the gassings. # etc., etc...... Yeh, etc, etc. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 08:34:01 PDT 1996 Article: 72651 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> <53ae6e$erh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53cjfc$k22@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:45:40 GMT Lines: 28 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: You're posting from worldnet, Matty? Did netcom kick you out, after your e-mail bombs? ## http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg ## ## These are not trees? # That is your captioning. I am posting the real pictures. You're posting the real pictures? Knowing Giwer, he's probably posting the photo of Eva Braun's bathroom, claiming it's the crematorium. Where is this "real picture" of yours, Matty? Where did you get it from? # You self worth is totally enwrapped in what someone else # will pay you. That is pitiful. Get a job, you damned leech. You claim to have an IQ of 163. It should not be so difficult if that is true. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 10:47:40 PDT 1996 Article: 80240 of soc.culture.jewish Newsgroups: soc.culture.catalan,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.chile,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.colombia,soc.culture.cornish,soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.cuba,soc.culture.czecho-slovak,soc.culture.ecuador,soc.culture.egyptian,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.honduras,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.hongkong.entertainment,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.delhi,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jordan,soc.culture.jewish Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news.walltech.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: German Holocaust Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255DA20.6727@ix.netcom.com> <535ri2$1ps0@elmo.cadvision.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:39:53 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.celtic:44855 soc.culture.chile:20529 soc.culture.china:128594 soc.culture.colombia:6982 soc.culture.croatia:28198 soc.culture.cuba:19557 soc.culture.czecho-slovak:17423 soc.culture.ecuador:2310 soc.culture.egyptian:5912 soc.culture.europe:48603 soc.culture.filipino:51019 soc.culture.french:66181 soc.culture.greek:52097 soc.culture.hongkong:95308 soc.culture.hongkong.entertainment:27912 soc.culture.indian:177860 soc.culture.indian.delhi:4697 soc.culture.israel:45799 soc.culture.jordan:4422 soc.culture.jewish:80240 [Followup = alt.revisionism] There was no such "German Holocaust", although: 1) Many Germans did die in bombing raids during the war. 2) Many German prisoners of war did die in the USSR (although a rather smaller number than Soviet prisoners who died in Nazi captivity). This is propaganda spread by the same neo-Nazis who deny the Holocaust. Such as our old "acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca", who claims the Red Cross gave a figure of 300,000 victims of the Nazi genocide - a lie, of course; no such figure was ever given by the Red Cross. This is not the right collection of newsgroups in which to elaborate on this neo-Nazi propaganda; interested people can look in http://www.nizkor.org/ for more information. One relevant document: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images report-51.jpg Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during only four months in 1942. See also http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 14:59:00 PDT 1996 Article: 72706 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53bsk7$56e@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53cueh$lc0@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:04:42 GMT Lines: 21 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## He didn't say that they were all killed in one night. ## That's one lie you posted. The other lie you posted is that ## this testimony was given about Belsen, when in fact it was ## given about Auschwitz. # Then post the real testimony It's in "The Belsen Trial", testimony of Dr. Bendel. It's easy to find. I'll type some in later. # dickless jew traitor. Grow up, for God's sake. You're 51-years-old. At least that's what you said. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 14:59:02 PDT 1996 Article: 72707 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53d1cu$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:23:28 GMT Lines: 15 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # After the British took over the camp they were faced # with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear- # the British are here---and funny thing, in spite of food, # water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died. They died because they were already in a hopeless state, after being treated by your great hero, Joseph Kramer. Had the Brits arrived a few days later, probably no inmate would have survived. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 14:59:03 PDT 1996 Article: 72708 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy! Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325b0a82.329966934@news.zilker.net> <53dbpm$hth@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:07:43 GMT Lines: 7 One wonders: since "rblackmore" accepts Kramer as a reliable source on what happened in Belsen, does he also accept him as a reliable source on what happened in Natzweiler and Birkenau? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 14:59:04 PDT 1996 Article: 72709 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3257D400.4360@rio.com> <53d009$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:14:27 GMT Lines: 26 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Don't worry about the color....it was described by Artur # Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz. By the # way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials. So what? He never denied the gassings. No one claimed that each and every member of the SS in Auschwitz participated in them, of course. # Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls # right on your head. We were told, in 1990, that in "a year, or at most two", the "Holocaust story will collapse". So far, all that happened since is that the same bunch of crazed Nazis continued to make fools of themselves. I would say that, by what's posted on the net, "revisionists" have only became more ridiculous, and more openly pro-Nazi and antisemitic, during those 6 years. Also, they have failed to recruit anyone with any historical qualifications and/or intellectual standing whatsoever, during that period. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 14:59:04 PDT 1996 Article: 72710 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53d086$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:19:04 GMT Lines: 18 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas, ## and it's certainly not lighter than air. # Wrong again, Strohkopf. No, I'm not wrong. Zyklon-B is not gas; it's a carrier, soaked with HCN (hydrogen cyanide). It's most definitely heavier than air. But, why would a "revisionist scholar" like you know this? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 22:50:51 PDT 1996 Article: 72767 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> <53at2m$rhs@Vir.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:01:40 GMT Lines: 42 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: # You have it folk. He's supposed to talk about 'krema 4 # and 5' ?? 1,5 km Sout-West of Birkenau???? Yes - relative to the SS HQ of Birkenau. # and he confused a small wood with a couple of trees??? "A couple of trees"? Look at photos, for God's sake. ## They [Holocaust deniers] are left with nothing but the claim ## that everyone who was in the camps - Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, ## Gypsy - is a liar, and only they know the truth. # There is inmates who claimed that the gas chambers were a myth. Name one person from Birkenau, or Treblinka, or Sobibor, or Chelmno, or Maidanek, or Belzec, who said that. Either an SS-men or an inmate. # I remember that I saw an article a while ago about an ex-inmate # living in Australia. He has one, folks. Out of how many? And he cannot tell us his name, of course. # There is also another case that I'm aware, and A. Baron mentionned # this feature a day. Try to be coherent. And tell us his name. Don't bring us the Berg/Ginzburg character, who was never in the camps. Funny people, these "revisionists". They were never in those camps, yet they claim to know exactly what happened in them. Of course, everyone who was in them tells the opposite of what the "revisionists" say, but why should that little detail bother them? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 22:50:51 PDT 1996 Article: 72768 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53d2km$d7q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:12:53 GMT Lines: 58 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: ## Since we're talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that ## he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That's murder ## just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp, ## and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty, ## it's murder. # Yep-you are right. The problem here is that there wasn't any Of course there was. Look at the photos of the SS-women. Each one seems to weigh 200 pounds. There were 800 tons of food in the Army barracks nearby. Even Kramer didn't deny it; he said the Army didn't give him any food for the inmates. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. # and 80% of the people had typhus. Because they were starved and mistreated. We've been through this before. No "revisionist" can explain why, for instance, the death rate among Allied POW's for the ENTIRE war was about 3 percent, while in the "work camps" it was as high as 10 percent per MONTH in the second half of 1942, and so high at the war's end. No "revisionist" can explain why the local population, and the SS, and the German Army, didn't starve, while the inmates died like flies. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: Emaciated corpses of the inmates. buchenwald04.jpg: German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how well-dressed and well-fed they are. You can dance on the graves and offer your lame-brained excuses for this mass murder, but you will not convince any rational person - only other Nazi admirers and apologists. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Oct 8 22:50:52 PDT 1996 Article: 72771 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325a65d9.9981152@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:36:12 GMT Lines: 47 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # First, from the Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries and Food, who # transferred me to their Animal Health Disease Control Department. Thanks for posting this information. Can you post their address, so I can write them? # The deaths were as follows: # # Cattle 214,900 # Sheep 108,835 # Pigs 118526 # Goats 57 # # All the animals were slaughtered and incinerated on the # farms where they were found and the partially burned remains # were buried in enormous pits - again, at the same farms. How much time did it take to incinerate the dead animals? Also, can you make any comment on: 1) The Jahrling letter to Kammler, and other sources, on the cremation power of the Auschwitz-Birkenau furnaces? 2) How many corpses do you suggest could be cremated in these furnaces? They had 52 large cremation furnaces. Assuming, say, that each could burn 15 corpses a day - and this is most obviously a serious underestimate - we have, per year, 15*52*360 = 280,800 corpses. Can you offer any rational explanation as to why a "work camp", built to hold a few tens-of-thousands of inmates, needed this astounding cremation power? 3) Re disposing of corpses by burning them on pyres: this was done in Dresden, after the mass murder of German civilians in that city by British bombers. I have posted a photo, which shows a huge pyre of corpses being burned. Are you suggesting this worked only in Dresden, and that it would not have worked for burning victims in the death camps and in the sites of the "Einsatzgruppen" massacres? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 00:09:49 PDT 1996 Article: 72782 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A (very) rare display of candour from Matt Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a6hi$sf5@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53dvij$d9h@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <53eh8q$14n@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:10:52 GMT Lines: 21 Those interested in studying real photos from WW2, may look in the Nizkor web pages, among them http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images On the other hand, those interested in "revisionist" photos, can look at the publications offered by "leading revisionist", Ernst Zundel. One of them allegedly shows a photo taken inside a "German UFO control bunker". I am *not* joking. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 08:06:47 PDT 1996 Article: 72836 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325A130C.7A14@avana.net> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:48:43 GMT Lines: 23 Chris DeNeve writes: # Why should I believe the holocaust really happened. I have # seen no conclusive evidence. Just some old guy came to my # school and said that the fact he had numbers tatooed on his # hand was proof. Who can face such an intellect? Who can dare and argue with such informative, sharp reasoning? But why stop with the Holocaust? "Why should I believe WW2 really happened. I have seen no conclusive evidence. Just some old guy came to my school and told us all kinds of stories about how he fought the Nazis. This is not proof". The future is yours, Chris. The possibilities are unlimited. Go for it. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 08:06:47 PDT 1996 Article: 72840 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.his.com!news.walltech.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> <53ae6e$erh@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53f5is$d2g@Vir.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:59:48 GMT Lines: 26 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # They are on the opposite part of the camp. Stop your # irrelevant questions, Sorry, pal. This is not Gestapo HQ here, and I'll post as many questions as I want. # It is true that those cremas (IV and V) appear on the west # part of the camp, but not the south, rather in the center: The gas chambers are to the South-West of the SS HQ and barracks. # There's just few trees near this crema, and back, dozens of # meters away we can see trees, but what we don't see in the photo Oh yes we do. Very, very clearly. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg I see a great many trees there. Maybe you should have your eyes examined. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 08:06:48 PDT 1996 Article: 72858 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THE HOLOCAUST? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325A130C.7A14@avana.net> <53fu02$h2o@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:33:58 GMT Lines: 18 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # According to one of the standard staries, his tatttoo is # evidence that there was no gassing. His very existance, if he # claims he is jewish, means the intent to exterminate Jews was # either not there or missed the obvious. What a leap of logic. Since the Nazis didn't have enough time to kill *all* the Jews, this means they never meant to kill Jews in the first place? You have claimed that the IDF tried to kill every sailor on the Liberty. Yet, the large majority of the sailors were not killed. You have just contradicted yourself. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 08:58:29 PDT 1996 Article: 72865 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Israeli Arabs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325A7040.16F0@pop.erols.com> <53fu7n$h2o@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:35 GMT Lines: 48 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## Yes; as a matter of fact, about 20 percent of Israel's ## citizens are not Jews, but Moslems, Christians, and Druze ## (there are some other much smaller minorities, such as ## Karaites, Samaritans, and Bahais). # They used to be 80%. The Native Americans used to be 100% in North-America. The fact that their percentage is now quite lower does not mean that all were murdered or deported. What I'm saying is, many Europeans came to North America, and many Jews came to Israel. However, it's true: Arabs fled and Arabs were deported from Palestine, during the 1948 war. Had the Arab states not declared and started a war against Israel - with the declared intent of annihilating it - this would not have happened. This does not mean that Israel is not partially guilty for what happened. BTW, more Jews fled and/or were deported from Arab countries than Arabs who fled and/or were deported >from Israel. # What happened? Are they really all in refugee camps? Most are in Jordan as far as I know, and in Lebanon. ## Most don't serve in the army, although many Druze and Bedouins do. # They are not permitted to so as you know. There are Druze and Bedouins who serve in the military. Don't know the exact number. A few Druze who were serving in the military were killed in the recent clashes with the Palestinian Police. Maybe you want to make a trip, go to their families, and tell them that their dead relatives did not really serve in the military... you stupid drunkard. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 13:25:31 PDT 1996 Article: 72881 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53g77u$t04@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:06:59 GMT Lines: 35 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # No, Dan, because they were ILL and typhus is highly contagious. Sigh. I can't decide if you're just desperate, or so stupid so as to really believe your lame attempts at excusing Nazi barbarism. The question, again, is why did they suffer from typhus? Why didn't anyone give them food or water? Why were 40,000 of them crammed like animals into a tiny place, in which they died like flies? Why didn't all this happen to Allied POW's? Why didn't all this happen to the members of the SS? Why didn't all this happen to the German population nearby? You crackpots suggest that this mass death in the camps took place at the war's end, because of the collapse of the German infrastructure. However: 1) Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10 percent a month (!!) as early as 1942? 2) If the infrastructure collapsed, one would expect deaths from starvation, thirst, typhus etc to occur in an EVEN fashion. But the death rate among the inmates was so much higher than for everybody else. How come? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 13:25:32 PDT 1996 Article: 72884 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53g77u$t04@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:16:50 GMT Lines: 16 Death rate in the "work camps", long before the end of the war (source: letter from Pohl to Himmler, "Trials Of War Criminals" (green) series, Vol. V, p. 379. In July 1942, the death rate was 8.5 percent. In August 1942, the death rate was 10.6 percent. In September 1942, the death rate was 10.2 percent. Remember, that's about 10 percent dying *every month*. Why did this happen? I guess our "revisionist scholars" will claim all the water pumps in these camps broke down? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Oct 9 20:00:39 PDT 1996 Article: 72944 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <3258dcd4.507850@news.demon.co.uk> <326f2206.16225888@199.0.216.204> <325bdfb9.4383798@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:02:27 GMT Lines: 63 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: [About my article] # His comments about stuffing many bodies into an oven at # once was so ridiculous What is ridiculous about them? Why not put more than one corpse in a furnace, if the only goal is to burn them as fast as possible? More so, if there are many children and infants among the victims? # that there is no need to comment on it, Why don't you try nonetheless? You think you know more about the furnaces than the people who designed, built, and ran them? See their estimates, in documents written during the war. I gave you a reference. # Later, Mr Keren talked about ash at over twenty feet below # the ground at Treblinka. I said that if the hole was 20 feet # deep and contained, say, 10 feet of ash and bone Where have you dug the 10 feet figure from? The area of the extermination complex was approx. 200 x 250 meters. A layer of ash and bones, over that area, 10 feet high (3 meters), would occupy a volume of 3*250*200 = 150,000 cubic meters. That would be about 150,000 tons of human remains (assuming the same density as water), or about 214 kilograms of remains per person... an overestimate by a factor of about 100. You really don't seem to be capable of any rational thought. Do you also believe, like other "leading revisionists", that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth via a "hole in the South-Pole"? Wake up, old chap. # We then supplied Palestine to the Jews, at further enormous cost # to ourselves. Do wake up, old chap. The great empire is gone. Kaput. You folks don't rule the world anymore. You "supplied Palestine to the Jews"? Who gave you Palestine in the first place? Can you believe the arrogance of this maniac? Soon, old Fergus here will be demanding that the US pay him for giving America to the Americans. # His last bit of foolishness was to say: ## Heck, if it were not for the US, you'd probably be singing the ## "Horst Wessel" every morning. Or maybe you're singing it nonetheless? The truth hurts, doesn't it? Sorry if I hit a nerve. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 01:08:01 PDT 1996 Article: 72946 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: I always get the feeling Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:52:07 GMT Lines: 56 Kneeland writes: # So, I checked out the air-photo site and it is pretty good. What # do you holocaust promoters give as a rebuttal to those aerial # photos? Be more specific. Name the photos you think make a point. There are, BTW, plenty of photos taken in the camps, not from the air. Some are in the following web pages: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images # What about the Jewish truthseeker's (Cole's) questions? What questions? All I know about Cole is that he's a 25-year-old highschool dropout, who parrots "revisionist" crapola. Again, be more specific. # Why is there more zyklon B contamination in offices than # in 'gas chambers'? There is no Zyklon-B contamination, but residues of HCN. In most barracks, there are no such residues. What offices are you talking about? Also, why are there cyanide traces in each and every homicidal gas chamber? What about the fact that delousing takes much more time than homicidal gassing, and therefore results in more traces? You didn't know that, right? # One last note: I've read the Revisionist material and compared it # to the Nizkorite et al. material. The Holocaust lobby and its # minions are the real and true-blooded haters: NOT Zundel and his # fellow Revisionists. "May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your apart. May you know death from drowning". Matt Giwer, "leading revisionist" on the net, to me. Just one example. # NIzkor drips with Talmudic venom Define "Talmudic venom", and give an example of Nizkor using it. Don't just parrot your fuehrers like a silly little Goebbels wannabe. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 01:08:01 PDT 1996 Article: 72967 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Israeli Arabs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325A7040.16F0@pop.erols.com> <325becf5.291541@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:40:56 GMT Lines: 11 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # In order to become a citizen, you must show a genetic # background, namely a Jewish mother. Another outright lie from Moran. As noted, about 20 percent of Israel's citizens are not Jewish. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:31 PDT 1996 Article: 72970 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murders Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:05:36 GMT Lines: 26 Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia, to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland, 31 July 1942 [Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193] --------------------------------------------------------- During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000 Jews, etc., were liquidated. [...] In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and 29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women, and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:32 PDT 1996 Article: 72974 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:06:50 GMT Lines: 21 SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258]. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed. As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September 1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not imagine anything more disgusting and horrific. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:32 PDT 1996 Article: 72998 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534j37$dk7@news.enter.net> <538n5r$ede@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <844733796snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:55:22 GMT Lines: 24 A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes ## I am asking our "revisionist scholars" yet again: if there was ## nothing criminal taking place in the Birkenau crematoriums, why ## didn't the SS take the Red Cross visitors into them? # More to the point Dan, why were people allowed to work OUTSIDE # the camp if it was so obviously an extermination camp? Evasion. Please answer my question, if you can. If there was nothing criminal going on inside the Birkenau kremas, the SS would obviously have taken the Red Cross and other visitors into them, to prove this. There is no rational explanation the "revisionists" can offer for the fact that visitors were not allowed in the kremas. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:33 PDT 1996 Article: 73003 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: conundrum Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53i6th$hed@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:39:06 GMT Lines: 28 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # When I find out who is making the harrassing phone calls, Were you not a proven pathological liar, I would have considered the possibility that you're telling the truth. But frankly, I don't believe anyone is making such calls. # I will make him wish he were dead even to the point of making him # dead. But that would be an accident, a long lived blind cripple # is my true objective. How about forcing him to read through your web page? That's even worse. Folks, anyone remember that scene in "Clockwork Orange" when they tie the guy to a chair, force his eyes open, and show him all those films? Perhaps old Matty has such a chair in front of his PC... the horror!! :-) # http://www.webcom.com/ezundel You admire and support a madman who claims the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich and flew into the inner earth, via a hole in the South-Pole, using "secret UFO's". Do you think this may result in people doubting other claims you make? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 09:29:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73032 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: What's on a Giwer's Mind? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:34:51 GMT Lines: 35 You know - Matt Giwer is really an odd person. As Kishon writes in one of his best satires, "this boy is not just stupid - he's REALLY strange". See the following exchange. From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 29 06:16:40 EDT 1996 Article: 124936 of alt.revisionism keren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: # You seem to agree that the Wannsee Protocol states that # the Jews "fit for work" will be killed? Agreed. It has nothing to do with 12 million. Next? So what is going on here? What is Giwer claiming? He agrees that the Nazis planned, as the Wannsee Protocol states, to use the Jews "fit for work" for slave labor, while separating them by sex, in conditions in which the large majority will die. The Protocol goes on to state that the "remnant" which will survive, will be killed, in order to prevent a "germ cell of a new Jewish development". So what is Giwer saying? That they planned to kill all the Jews fit for work, and leave the rest alone? Why? And what about the part about killing those who survived, in order to prevent a "germ cell of a new Jewish development"? Can anyone formulate a blueprint for genocide in more unequivocal terms? I don't think so. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 12:41:06 PDT 1996 Article: 73061 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!nntp.zit.th-darmstadt.de!news.nacamar.de!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Evil Palestinians Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.revisionism Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <32526d55.100018@199.0.216.204> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:39:48 GMT Lines: 35 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:73061 alt.conspiracy:97653 tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: # The end tally was about 1100 kids dead. No, that was the total number of Palestinians killed in the "Intifada" by Israeli forces. About 400 Israelis were also killed. A further 1,000 Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians (being suspected of cooperating with Israel). You can trust a "revisionist" to lie every time, no matter what he's writing about. If you ask Tom "Streicher" Moran "what's the time, pal?", he'll lie simply out of habit. -Danny Keren. --- Tommy Moran pulls his Streicher schtick: From tm@pacificnet.net Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics. Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their arms in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their hands from flailing about. They also shuffle in place. Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 13:58:43 PDT 1996 Article: 73062 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52khfn$p0h@faith.total.net> <52tnno$32b@news1.total.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:14:32 GMT Lines: 23 jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes: # ANSWER TO on the quotes from # Ilya Ehrenburg: # We are all used to it by now: - beyond the politically correct # minority - everybody else is obliged to provide "authentic proof" Do you have it or not? # So would you need proof on the hundreds of thousands of raped women # by your socalled "liberators" during World War II. also? Do you have any proof whatsoever for this? According to "revisionist" standards, you should provide the physical evidence. Do you have it? # Would you need proof for the looting and bloody murder they committed # against innocent civilians? Same here. Show us the physical evidence. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 18:08:14 PDT 1996 Article: 73116 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <534qql$1ml@Vir.com> <53f5is$d2g@Vir.com> <53hduj$5aj@Vir.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:54:07 GMT Lines: 21 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # Do you contest that few meters away from this crema, # approximativelly from the place where the photographer # took this picture, there was dozens of barracks according # to Birkenau map? YES or NO? "Few meters"? How do you define "few"? What does that have to do with the obvious fact that there were many trees near that Krema - as obvious to anyone who bothers to look at the photo - which reinforces Dr. Muench's testimony? Be a little more careful with your posts. Don't forget your blatant lie about Richard Baer. But, oh, sorry, you didn't lie, you just copied what other "revisionist" liars claimed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 18:08:14 PDT 1996 Article: 73117 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Bill Harmon's Question Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53hke7$gug@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <53jqnb$m4q@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:05:34 GMT Lines: 17 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # I already posted something concerning Ehlert's comments and # testimony a while back. Yes. You speculated that she lied when she said Kramer told her, regarding the Belsen inmates, "let them die, why should you care". Any proof that she lied? Of course not. You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously believe he's a reliable witness. Right? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 23:06:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73172 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: 'Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row' Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:04:17 GMT Lines: 47 Willi Mentz testifies about his days in Treblinka [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 245-247] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- When I came to Treblinka the camp commandant was a doctor named Dr. Eberl. He was very ambitious. It was said that he ordered more transports than could be "processed" in the camp. That meant that trains had to wait outside the camp because the occupants of the previous transport had not yet all been killed. At the time it was very hot and as a result of the long wait inside the transport trains in the intense heat many people died. At the time whole mountains of bodies lay on the platform. The Hauptsturmfuehrer Christian Wirth came to Treblinka and kicked up a terrific row. And then one day Dr. Eberl was no longer there... For about two months I worked in the upper section of the camp and then after Eberl had gone everything in the camp was reorganized. The two parts of the camp were separated by barbed wire fences. Pine branches were used so that you could not see through the fences. The same thing was done along the route from the "transfer" area to the gas chambers... Finally, new and larger gas chambers were built. I think that there were now five or six larger gas chambers. I cannot say exactly how many people these large gas chambers held. If the small gas chambers could hold 80-100 people, the large ones could probably hold twice that number... Following the arrival of a transport, six to eight cars would be shunted into the camp, coming to a halt at the platform there. The commandant, his deputy Franz, Kuettner and Stadie or Maetzig would be here waiting as the transport came in. Further SS members were also present to supervise the unloading: for example, Genz and Belitz had to make absolutely sure that there was no one left in the car after the occupants had been ordered to get out. When the Jews had got off, Stadie or Maetzig would have a short word with them. They were told something to the effect that they were a resettlement transport, that they would be given a bath and that they would receive new clothes. They were also instructed to maintain quiet and discipline. They would continue their journey the following day. Then the transports were taken off to the so-called "transfer" area. The women had to undress in huts and the men out in the open. The women were than led through a passageway, known as the "tube", to the gas chambers. On the way they had to pass a hut where they had to hand in their jewellery and valuables.. From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Oct 10 23:06:32 PDT 1996 Article: 73191 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Major 'Revisionist' Effort Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:20:28 GMT Lines: 36 There's currently a major "revisionist" effort taking place, triggered by one of my articles (my two secret admirers must be proud!). The effort is concentrated on finding someone who was in the death camps, who actually supports the "revisionist" version of what took place in them. Our "revisionist scholars" must be realizing that it's kinda stupid of them to claim something which contradicts what everyone who was in the death camps said. They can't find anyone who was in Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, and the area of the crematoriums in Birkenau, who supports their version. ONE. Out of so many people, they can't find ONE who does not say the exact opposite of what they're saying. So far, they have suggested: 1) "Someone who was in Birkenau" (no name given, no details, nothing). 2) Thies Cristophersen (name given before by "revisionists"). However this guy was far from Birkenau. 3) Rassinier - but he is irrelevant, as he was not in one of the major death camps, but at Buchenwald and Dora. 4) Burg/Berg/Ginzburg (the name keeps changing). This is someone who they claim was a Jew. However, he is also not relevant here, as he was not in the camps during the war. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:08 PDT 1996 Article: 73230 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: A (very) rare display of candour from Matt Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53a6hi$sf5@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53dvij$d9h@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <53eh8q$14n@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:05:12 GMT Lines: 39 Matt Giwer writes: # Read the information holohuggers fear # http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Web site of Hitler admirer, who wrote (on GEnie) that "Hitler was a great man", and "the best thing that could have happened to Germany" # http://www.webcom.com/~zundel Web site of an insane person, who believes that the Nazi leadership fled the Reich using "secret UFO's", and are now hiding in the inner earth, which they entered via a "hole in the South-Pole". He even claims to have met some of the scientists who built the "UFO's"... http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers Contains both text and images from Zundel's publications about these "UFO's". Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text): "During the course of our research, we have discovered some of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into our future books". This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of "leading Holocaust revisionist", Ernst Zundel, whose web page Matt Giwer considers to be an authority on the history of WW2. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:09 PDT 1996 Article: 73232 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!centauri.hq.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Israeli Arabs Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325A7040.16F0@pop.erols.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:56:39 GMT Lines: 36 Walt Hingerty writes: # I dont have an agenda. But I am curious about something. # What is the legal status of Palestinians who are born # within the borders of Israel. # # Are they considered Israeli citizens? Yes; as a matter of fact, about 20 percent of Israel's citizens are not Jews, but Moslems, Christians, and Druze (there are some other much smaller minorities, such as Karaites, Samaritans, and Bahais). # Are they allowed to vote Of course. There are also non-Jews in the Israeli Parliament ("Knesset"). I don't know the number, though. If you post to talk.politics.mideast and/or soc.culture.israel, someone will probably tell you how many. # or serve in the military? Most don't serve in the army, although many Druze and Bedouins do. # I have heard that only persons of the Hebrew faith have full civil # rights in Israel. Is this so? No. Posted/e-mailed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:09 PDT 1996 Article: 73235 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325a65d9.9981152@news.demon.co.uk> <53fml9$dr9@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:49:22 GMT Lines: 56 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: ## 2) How many corpses do you suggest could be cremated in these ## furnaces? They had 52 large cremation furnaces. Assuming, ## say, that each could burn 15 corpses a day - and this is ## most obviously a serious underestimate - we have, per year, ## 15*52*360 = 280,800 corpses. # Why would anyone assume a number than can not be duplicated today? Of course it can be duplicated today. Look at the cremation web site. High capacity furnaces burn a corpse in less than an hour. And continuous cremation is faster, as the furnace is already hot. Look it up. Not to mention that they are talking about legal cremation, in which one cannot put more than a single corpse in one muffle, and care has to be taken to collect the ashes of each corpse. And there are hardly any children and infants present. ## Can you offer any rational explanation as to why a "work ## camp", built to hold a few tens-of-thousands of inmates, ## needed this astounding cremation power? # Can you explain why you have a toilet that has the capacity # to handle at least fifty people? A stove that can feed at least # 100 people a day? A garbage disposal that can process a half ton # of waste a day? What an idiotic analogy. I don't have two garbage disposal systems in one sink. I don't have 30 stoves in my kitchen. Your idiotic excuses do not hide the fact that the camp was supplied with far more cremation power than what a work camp with a few tens-of-thousands of inmates would have needed. By "far more", I mean a factor of about 20. # The problem of course is that there are no signs of such mass # burnings on any of the aerial photos of any of the places where # it was supposed to have happened. Plenty of ashes in Treblinka, though... How can an aerial photo taken months after the corpses were burned, show anything? You want to post these photos, BTW? # But the, the little jew traitor, knows that. "little"? A short time ago, it was "fat". Can you make up your mind? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:10 PDT 1996 Article: 73259 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.akorn.net!news.his.com!news.walltech.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Photographs from OHRDRUF Camp Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:25:02 GMT Lines: 10 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images ohrdruf-01.jpg Burned corpses of inmates. ohrdruf-02.jpg: Murdered inmates. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:11 PDT 1996 Article: 73292 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:25:46 GMT Lines: 34 The following photos are in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and Company, 1949. belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp. belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen. belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen. belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen. belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen. The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/ Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz and Belsen). http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/ Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of corpses in Belsen. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/ Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz II (Birkenau) and later Belsen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:11 PDT 1996 Article: 73293 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:27:14 GMT Lines: 11 Testimony of SS-doctor, Obersturmfuherer Fritz Klein (p. 717): ------------------------------------------------------------ Whilst at Belsen I made several complaints to Kommandant Kramer about the conditions there. I was told that I was only a doctor and that it was nothing to do with me. Three days before the British came, when I took over the camp, I had a talk with Kramer about the conditions. I told Kramer that the corpses should be removed, and that water should be supplied to prisoners as many were dying from thirst. Kramer said he did not take orders from me. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:12 PDT 1996 Article: 73294 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: JEW SAYS THERE WERE NO "EXTERMINATION CAMPS" Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <6LohkkBXwYXyEwOq@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:17:19 GMT Lines: 34 Yawn... "Jeffrey", can you at least remove the most obvious and stupid lies before posting this again? # "I talked to hundreds of people who serviced and operated # the crematoria," he continued, but the people who operated # gas chambers were impossible to find " Off the top of my head, here are some people who operated the gas chambers, and who were found: Stark. Fuchs. Hoffman. Burmeister. Findeisen. Bahr. Gnewuch. So, he "didn't find" them. Maybe he only looked for them in his bedroom? What a nitwit imbecile. And another nitwit imbecile keeps posting this rubbish, like a robot, week after week after week, even after it is clear how ridiculous it is. Pathetic. # Christie: When you visited Auschwitz in the fall of 1945, did # you specifically look for gas chambers? # Yes, said Burg, "although at that time gassings were not in # fashion. Not yet. But I did look for them. I searched for them # and I didn't find anything." Odd. Everyone else found them. They are still there today. With cyanide traces on their walls. Maybe he looked for them only during the night? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:13 PDT 1996 Article: 73295 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:27:42 GMT Lines: 12 Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709): --------------------------------------------------------------------- The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant, Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply. I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why should you care?". From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:14 PDT 1996 Article: 73298 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:26:39 GMT Lines: 40 Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner in Belsen, who was "employed" as corpse carrier there: (p. 60-61) We made our way along the central road towards the burial pit. Along this road, stationed at intervals, were orderlies to see that the flow of dead to the pits carried on smoothly; they were particulalry numerous near the kitchen and the resevoir water. One of the most cruel things in this particular work was the fact that we passed this water regularly on every trip, and although we were dying of thirst we were not allowed to touch it or get anywhere near. [...] I would like you to picture what this endless chain of dead going to the pits must have looked like for about five days from sunrise to sunset. How many were buried I have no idea. It must have been vast numbers - certainly five figures. You didn't dare to fall out, but many collapsed on the way - just lay dead by the roadside, or died. They in turn were lifted by a team of four and taken to the pits. People died like flies on the way to these pits. They did not have the necessary energy to drag even those very light bodies. A man who faltered was usually hit on the head. (p. 62) I saw plenty of shooting, usually for no reason at all. Sometimes there was a hidden reason which we learned of only after many dozen had been killed; for example, at the north entrance of the mortuary yard many people had been killed before we realized that the particular guard in charge of that gateway wanted to see people go through at the double dragging the dead body behind. He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible, hundreds were shot per day. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:14 PDT 1996 Article: 73299 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.service.emory.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:30:34 GMT Lines: 17 In the course of your career have you ever seen anything like this before? -- I have been a doctor for 30 years and have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen anything to touch it. Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that camp? -- Absolutely none. Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from "The Belsen Trial", p. 35. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:15 PDT 1996 Article: 73303 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.texas.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: MAKING MONEY OUT OF DEATH - HOW SICK Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <2Lhi06Bz7YXyEwvj@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:06:26 GMT Lines: 23 Letter from SS-Brigadefuehrer Frank to chief of administration of Auschwitz, concerning the utilization and distribution of "evacuated" Jews, 26 September 1942 [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 256-258] --------------------------------------------------------------------- e) Women's clothing and women underwear including footwear, children's clothing and children's underwear including footwear have to be handed over to the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle against payment... f) Featherbeads, quilts, woolen blankets, cloth for suits, shawls, umbrellas, walking sticks, thermos flasks, earflaps, baby carriages, combs, handbags, leather belts, shopping baskets, tobacco pipes, sun glasses, mirrors, table knives, forks and spoons, knapsacks, and suitcases made from leather or artificial material are to be delivered to the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle. The question of payment will be decided later... h) Spectacles and eyeglasses of every kind are to be handed in to the medical office for utilization. (Spectacles with golden frames have to be handed in without glasses together with the rare metals). From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:16 PDT 1996 Article: 73305 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: MAKING MONEY OUT OF DEATH - HOW SICK Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <2Lhi06Bz7YXyEwvj@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:06:53 GMT Lines: 16 Letter from prison warden Guenther to the general commissar of white Ruthenia, Minsk, 31 May 1943 [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. VIII, p. 208] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Since that time all German and Russian Jews who were turned to us, had their golden bridgework, crowns and fillings pulled or broken out. This happens 1 to 2 hours before the respective action. Since April 13 1943, 516 German and Russian Jews have been finished off. On the basis of a definitive investigation, gold was taken only in two actions, on 14 April 1943 from 172, and on 27 April 1943 from 164 Jews. About 50% of the Jews had gold teeth, bridgework or fillings. Hauptscharfuehrer Ruebe of the security police was always personally present and he took the gold along too. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:16 PDT 1996 Article: 73311 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:53:36 GMT Lines: 37 Jeffrey writes: # ERNST ZUNDEL http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english Jeffrey, do these "IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS" have anything to do with the following? # http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english Web site of an insane person, who believes that the Nazi leadership fled the Reich using "secret UFO's", and are now hiding in the inner earth, which they entered via a "hole in the South-Pole". He even claims to have met some of the scientists who built the "UFO's"... http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers Contains both text and images from Zundel's publications about these "UFO's". Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text): "During the course of our research, we have discovered some of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into our future books". This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of "leading Holocaust revisionist", Ernst Zundel, whose web page "Jeffrey" considers to be an authority on the history of WW2. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:17 PDT 1996 Article: 73312 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:54:53 GMT Lines: 41 There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which were found: Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941 [Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 70] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer's Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must first be constructed. Brack's view is that, since construction of the apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr. Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there. Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer's Chancellory through your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich [Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as to any further measures you take. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:18 PDT 1996 Article: 73313 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: COKE SUPPLIED TO AUSCHWITZ DISPROVES HOLOCAUST LIE Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <57Qho2B03YXyEwsi@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:47:55 GMT Lines: 26 Jeffrey writes: # Even if we reduce the amount of fuel needed per cadaver # to thirty-five kilo-grammes, A totally absurd figure, of course, especially when continuous cremation is applied. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ Coke_Consumption.jpg Is a photo of a document estimating the amount of coke required for the crematoriums, authored during the war by member of the SS. Compare it to "Jeffrey's" figure. Also, many corpses were burned in the open, using wood, and not coke. See http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Wood.jpg Shows large amounts of wood next to the ruins of a Birkenau crematorium, destroyed by the SS soon before they left the camp. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:18 PDT 1996 Article: 73314 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: THE CAMPS: FACTS V LIES Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <7r9h8tBBzYXyEws5@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:49:37 GMT Lines: 13 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:19 PDT 1996 Article: 73315 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:57:08 GMT Lines: 18 There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which were found: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images report-51.jpg Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4 months in 1942. eg-map.jpg Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:20 PDT 1996 Article: 73316 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:48:45 GMT Lines: 19 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: Emaciated corpses of the inmates. buchenwald02.jpg: Artifacts made from corpses of inmates. shrunken.jpg: The shrunken head of an inmate. buchenwald04.jpg: German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how well-dressed and well-fed they are. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 09:07:20 PDT 1996 Article: 73317 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <325bdfb9.4383798@news.demon.co.uk> <53kccj$kf@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:13:58 GMT Lines: 14 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # As you know, the time to cremate is a function of body weight. Which is why burning the corpses of children and infants takes much less time, as was in Birkenau. It seems "revisionists" finally accept this fact. When you say "function", what exactly do you mean? Linear function? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:09 PDT 1996 Article: 73322 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: CREMATORY EXPERT SAYS HOLOCAUST FIGURES LUDICROUS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:04:46 GMT Lines: 22 Yet again, "Jeffrey" posts the opinion of a crackpot, who stated that continuous cremation would be impossible, as (so the man said), corpses may ignite like a napalm bomb when inserted into a hot furnace, and "burn the building down". Never mind that the cremation web site, no less, explicitly says that continuous cremation saves 50 percent of the time needed to cremate a corpse, as the furnace is already hot. See also: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/ furnace-capacity.jpg Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses in 24 working hours. That's another "IMPORTANT DOCUMENT", Jeffrey. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:09 PDT 1996 Article: 73324 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.service.emory.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: RAVE REVIEWS FOR SNIVELING LIAR Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:35:48 GMT Lines: 29 "Jeffrey", quoting Bradley Smith: Treblinka survivor Abraham Bomba is talking about the early gas chambers in the camp: # Bomba: It was not a big room, around twelve feet by # twelve feet. [...] And poor old Smith goes on to write later: # You might think that Claude Lanzmann is about to express # some doubt about how Bomba is blocking out this scene for # him. Sixty to seventy naked women in the 12-square-foot room. Of course, it's 144 = 12*12, not 12. But why should a "leading revisionist scholar" know third-grade arithmetic? Based on this, and on e-mail correspondence I had with Smith, I have come to the conclusion that he simply does not understand the concept of area, and cannot calculate the area of a square. Odd. Unlike the other "major" CODOH figure, David Cole, Smith did graduate from highschool, did he not? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 12:14:10 PDT 1996 Article: 73345 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!news.total.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOUND Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:55:39 GMT Lines: 46 There are indeed important documents about the Holocaust which were found: Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942 [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even camouflaged... Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading. Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be issued accordingly. The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 16:51:46 PDT 1996 Article: 73376 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: DIESEL GAS CHAMBERS: A MYTH WITHIN A MYTH [2/2] Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:21:23 GMT Lines: 38 Yet again, the old "revisionist" claim that "diesel exhaust cannot be used to efficiently kill people", is presented; never mind how many times it is proven false. The "Jeffrey" robot just doesn't care. "The Significance of Diesel-Exhaust-Gas Analysis", by J.C. Holtz and M.A. Elliot, Transactions of the ASME, Vol. 63, 1941, p. 97-105, reports that in a series of experiments, when a diesel engine was run rich (that is, with a high fuel-to-air ratio), up to 6 percent CO was present in the exhaust; this is way beyond the lethal concentration, which is 0.4 percent (see graph on page 98, table on page 99). In high fuel-air ratios, there is practically no oxygen in the exhaust; in lower ratios (say, 0.056) there's only 3.4 percent of oxygen in the exhaust. See also "The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine Under Four Different Running Conditions", by Pattle et al., British Journal of Industrial Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p. 47-55. These researchers ran a few experiments in which various animals were exposed to diesel fumes, and studied the results. In the experiments, the exhaust of a small diesel engine (568 cc, 6 BHP) was connected to a chamber 10 cubic meters (340 cubic feet) in volume, and the animals were put inside it. In all cases, the animals died. Death was swifter when the intake of air to the engine was restricted, as this causes a large increase in the amount of carbon monoxide (CO) that is emitted. It is very easy to restrict the air intake; the British researchers did so by partially covering the air intake opening with a piece of metal. The diesel engines used in Treblinka were much larger - they belonged to captured Soviet T-34 tanks. These tanks weighed 26-31 tons (depending on the model) and had a 500 BHP engine (compared to a mere 6 BHP in the British experiments). -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Oct 11 21:07:48 PDT 1996 Article: 73394 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Cremation Furnaces for 'Bath Installations'? Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:29:11 GMT Lines: 42 The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ , is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of cremation furnaces at the "'bath installations for special operations'" (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau. Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any "revisionist" out there willing to explain this? Two remarks: 1) The homicidal gas chambers were indeed disguised as bathing installations (the shower-heads are even mentioned in the inventory list, see http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Invntry.jpg). 2) "Special operations" (sonderaktions) are a common codeword for murder; see, for instance, testimonies of the SS-men, Dr. Kremer's diary, and the following document: Letter from SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rodl to the inspector of concentration camps, SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Liebehenschel, 14 November 1941 [Hitler and the Final Solution - G. Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, p. 99] -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Commandant's office has submitted to date two lists recommending the conferment of the Kreigverdienstkreuz [war service cross]. In both of these appear SS personnel who participated in executions. We herewith request confirmation as to whether these names should be listed once again in the roll currently under preparation. Further requested is information as to whether in the recommendation lists under "reasons and comments of immediate superior" there should be specified "execution, i.e., special action" or whether a general, routine reason should be given. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:46 PDT 1996 Article: 73559 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: AN(ne) F(r)A(n)KE Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53lp33$3in@access5.digex.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:01:18 GMT Lines: 15 mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes: [To Jeffrey ] # Don't be coy. Speak plainly. Are you still trying to # insinuate that the diary was forged? Perhaps you should # talk to Al Baron about that. # # Are you picking on little dead girls after all? Probably, that's how "Jeffrey" gets his kicks. Odd fellow. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:47 PDT 1996 Article: 73564 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: I'm lost here... Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53cgue$o7o@Vir.com> <53mme7$js8@Vir.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:27:04 GMT Lines: 22 Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes: # This is just a minor point: Muench came in Birkenau only in # september 1943, so even if Keren's explanation would make # sense, let say for someone who's drunk, there's few chances # that krema 4 was active during Muench presence in Auschwitz. I take it that this is the new "revisionist breakthrough"? That everyone who was in the camps was drunk, that's why they're all "lying"? Surely, you're not claiming that both IV and V were out for the summer of 1944? Also, you're making a mistake here; it's true that the furnaces in one of them broke down, however its gas chambers were still used, and the corpses burned in the open, behind the Krema. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/Pit.jpg -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:47 PDT 1996 Article: 73565 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52khfn$p0h@faith.total.net> <53b28h$gn7@news1.total.net> <53f8bu$nm3@is05.micron.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:34:59 GMT Lines: 39 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: kurtzi the untermensch is back, and he's angry as ever. # Revisionists do not "demand to see 6 million corpses" Some do. # (what a lying Jew) but simply some straightforward physical # evidence that there was a plan to exterminate Jews by gas # chambers, which the exterminationists so far have failed to # produced. It was produced, kurtzi. # The exterminationsts never produced a single gas chamber, An outright lie, kurtzi, as you must know by now. The gas chambers in some of the camps are still there: Auschwitz, Maidanek, Natzweiler... # or an order by Nazis to exterminate Jews by gassing, kurtzi, you're a disgrace to your one-balled Fuherer, as you know very well that such orders were produced; see for instance the letter from Wetzel to Lohse often posted here. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/ wetzel-lohse-01.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/ wetzel-lohse-02.jpg Translation in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/wetzel.102541 -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:48 PDT 1996 Article: 73570 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53fnf2$dr9@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53gm5k$og0@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <53ia5r$5k9@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:32:24 GMT Lines: 25 mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes: # We are stlll into the 80,000 (eighty thousand) people that # were "burned or gassed to death in a single night." Not # 800 and not 8000 but 80,000 and all in a single night. Your problem is that the witness never claimed that. You are a liar, who posted distorted testimony. Distorted intentionally in order to make the witness appear unreliable. The witness who is misquoted here is Dr. Bendel. He testified about Auschwitz, not Belsen (that's lie number 1 by Giwer regarding his testimony). Also, he said that the 80,000 Jews of the Lodz Ghetto were murdered during 45 days, not one night (see Pressac's book, p. 471). That's lie number 2 by Giwer regarding his testimony. Face it: you're a liar, who posted testimony which does not exist. There's no reason for anyone to believe anything you claim. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 10:53:49 PDT 1996 Article: 73571 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53ngbl$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:43:30 GMT Lines: 26 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads, # artifacts made from diseased corpses, They are there, like it or not. There's also documentary evidence to this taking place in Buchenwald; I'll post it soon. # emaciated inmates suffering from disease Dead inmates. # Oh, I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened # to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals # from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder? "Criminals"? You've flipped. All those dead people - they were all "criminals"? That's really low, even for a "revisionist". -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:34 PDT 1996 Article: 73590 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: AN(ne) F(r)A(n)KE Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:04:25 GMT Lines: 29 For an excellent treatment of this subject, see "Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory", by Deborah Lipstadt, published by the Free Press, ISBN 0-02-919235-8. In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity. The State Forensic Science Laboratory examined the materials used-- the ink, paper, glue, etc.--and the handwriting and issued a report of some 270 pages. "The report of the State Forensic Science Laboratory has convincingly demonstrated that both versions of the diary of Anne Frank were written by her in the years 1942 to 1944. The allegations that the diary was the work of someone else (after the war or otherwise) are thus conclusively refuted." Furthermore, that "despite corrections and omissions..._The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank_ [i.e., the published version of the diaries] does indeed contain `the essence' of Anne's writings, and that there are no grounds on which the term `forgery' can be applied to the work of the editors or publishers of the book." <1> 1. Anne Frank, _The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank:_The_Critical_Edition_, Prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation, edited by David Barnouw and Gerrold Van Der Stroom, (New York, Doubleday, 1989) p. 166. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73617 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: SciFi Channel Sightings Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53guca$7p4@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <325C11B7.1097@rio.com> <53jcpn$nt3@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <53lslc$5fo@bell.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 21:48:17 GMT Lines: 13 dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes: # You don't mean: Giwer's dickless but not diskless??? ;-) Don't know about that, but one thing is sure - he's jobless. Giwer claims he has an IQ of 163, yet he's been unemployed (as he proudly states) since he was 46-years-old. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:35 PDT 1996 Article: 73627 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <53lh21$jig@news.enter.net> <53nd5f$dbq@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:43:11 GMT Lines: 25 rblackmore@juno.com writes: # yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: ## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz ## Musuem that 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there. # You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly # stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at Pressac's book, and the text on the monument does not even mention Jews. IMHO, the old (and false) figure of "4 million victims, including Jews" - while in reality it is about 1.5 million victims, most of them Jews - can be attributed in part to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add a "Christian touch" to what was, first and foremost, a Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish Government does not pursue this line any more. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:36 PDT 1996 Article: 73633 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Vergasungskeller BITES THE DUST! Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <52uiih$50@access5.digex.net> <52vls9$g8h@juliana.sprynet.com> <53m02j$at5@is05.micron.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:17:48 GMT Lines: 12 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # Ooh goody! I can't wait. More debunking of that filthy # piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the "Holocaust." # I can't wait until 1997. Fun, fun! Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in serious trouble. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:37 PDT 1996 Article: 73635 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news1.wtn.mci.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <539vga$mds@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> <53bjp5$q7t@is05.micron.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:24:53 GMT Lines: 28 kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: # jblackmore already gave the Holocausters' silly claims # about Kramer a thorough drubbing. Not really, kurtzi. But there's even a bigger problem for you here. You see, "rblackmore" relies heavily on his claim that Kramer was a reliable and truthful witness. But Kramer also testified about the gassings in Birkenau and Natzweiler. BTW - sorry for having forgot to post your famous quote, when replying to your previous articles. -Danny Keren. ---- For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote: From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) Message-Id: <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> # The Holocaust is a funny thing.. # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened.. # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did! # Kurt Stele From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:37 PDT 1996 Article: 73636 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Zionism and the Bolshevik Revolution Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3258957C.3767@ns.sympatico.ca> <53h20r$ego@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <53jkng$900@news.xmission.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:07:56 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:98502 alt.revisionism:73636 Every time I read the claims of strong ideological links between Judaism or Zionism and Soviet communism, I fail to understand one thing. If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist USSR, for many years, supplied numerous amounts of weapons, as well as military training, to Arab countries and organizations which fought many bitter wars with Israel, and vowed - again and again - to erase it from the face of the earth? If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist USSR, for years, ruthlessly persecuted Jews and Zionists? Can any "revisionist scholar" explain this? -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:38 PDT 1996 Article: 73637 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <3255085f.47673@news.demon.co.uk> <325bdfb9.4383798@news.demon.co.uk> <325e8704.6283806@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:20:37 GMT Lines: 27 redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: # So, twent feet of soil was dug out of the ground. Over what area? And, anyway, what's your point? As a trivial calculation proves, the amount of earth needed to fill the burial pits is very small with regard to the total area of the extermination section in Treblinka. # Of that I am aware. I accept the present, but I was referring # to the state of things back then - when we did rule most of it. # And when are you going to pay? Fergus old chap - this was slightly amusing for the first time, boring on the second, and damn silly on the third. Please cut the crap. # We didn't give, or sell, America to the Americans. They took it. And da Joooos took Palestine from you. That's life. Get over it, old chap. The empire is gone, and it ain't coming back. Britain still has quite a few things to be proud of. You, however, are not one of them. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:38 PDT 1996 Article: 73638 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: OBSERVATIONS Message-ID: Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA References: <325a65d9.9981152@news.demon.co.uk> <325e8630.6072119@news.demon.co.uk> Distribution: X-no-archive: yes Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:10:46 GMT Lines: 6 Thanks for posting the address. -Danny Keren. From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Oct 12 19:37:39 PDT 1996 Article: 73639 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!world!dkeren From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) Subject: Re: Julius Streicher - PORNOGRAPHER Message-ID: