From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 1 11:42:35 PDT 1996 Article: 22894 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (5ee4ec0c7bcfea717fb4f38e0e7e8371) From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path:Posted-Date: 26 Jun 1996 00:43:11 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 4:48:32 GMT Message-ID: <835764512$28775@atype.com> Subject: to the remnants of those who style themselves 'phineas priests'. Lines: 9 TO THE REMNANTS OF THOSE WHO STYLE THEMSELVES 'phineas priests' 'servants of the white bull', 'followers of the panther' AND SUCH OTHER NONSENSE AS YOU MIGHT NAME YOURSELVES: You seek revenge against those who were noncombatants. While this certainly demonstrates your true nature, it also exposes your ignorance. Your vaunted 'panther' fled from a penguin. Ask him yourself...if you can find him. From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 1 11:42:37 PDT 1996 Article: 22927 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (0f437c7d45ffe17011895fe3840f5f6d) References: <835722183$27037@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 26 Jun 1996 00:43:07 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.sdsmt.edu!news.mid.net!sbctri.tri.sbc.com!newspump.wustl.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 4:48:17 GMT Message-ID: <835764497$28759@atype.com> Subject: Re: Warning: If I Die on the Jersey Front Lines: 13 In article <835722183$27037@atype.com>, mamacamp@aol.com (MamaCamp) writes: > >Sorry... I must have hit the wrong key. The last message from me was meant >to be sent privately to Arlin. No problem, Joyce - I don't mind *nice* messages being posted to the group :-) Arlin From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 1 11:42:38 PDT 1996 Article: 22948 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (b8714fbf7c1f3475736b0143b5556b78) References: <835797791$29765@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 26 Jun 1996 10:53:52 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 15:03:06 GMT Message-ID: <835801386$29886@atype.com> Subject: Re: to the remnants of those who style themselves 'phineas priests'. Lines: 24 In article <835797791$29765@atype.com>, lance@shoppe.ucolick.org (Lance Bresee) writes: >Can anyone explain what the hell this guy means, > other than to suggest that LSD dealers are transporting their > product on AOL free disk labels? No drugs, Lance, I promise! :-) The three groups I mentioned in my post are, or at least until last weekend *were* three elements of the secret orders in the upper levels of the 'identity' movement and their associates in the AN. Last weekend, those folks received a lesson in humility, taught by a wide variety of sources. They (c.i./an) then proceeded to try to bother the families of some folks they (incorrectly) thought were responsible. Since we know that the supremacists monitor this newsgroup, among others, the message was phrased in their terms, so that they would understand it. Of course it also bothers the supremacists more than a little when their 'super secret mega aryan orders' are mentioned in public:-) Hope that helps explain it. Best Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:24 PDT 1996 Article: 22970 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (2a7aa7080a4152474461f49bab7ad084) References: <836187531$8419@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 00:08:14 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp.et.byu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 4:18:03 GMT Message-ID: <836194683$8725@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oh, "Colonel" [note quotes] Ellenburg--- Poll Results Lines: 9 In article <836187531$8419@atype.com>, Joseph Pothier writes: > If you can't deal with the fallout from that, its your problem. Ha! Just wait, J.P., sooner or later you'll run afoul of one of kaa's preconceived notions...then you'll see! From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:28 PDT 1996 Article: 22992 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (916fcfa24be4100d19de4a11cbc2144d) References: <835976960$343@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 21:52:12 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:03:12 GMT Message-ID: <836272992$11280@atype.com> Subject: Re: Who made you a Colonel Lines: 14 In article <835976960$343@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >>couldn't say mark, but I'd bet good money that the number would be >>significantly larger than those who would follow the leadership of a >>lonely academic in ohio... > >What are you talking about? I am a Brevet Eight-Star General of the Rilly >Rilly Unorganized Militia of Ohio. Uh, mark, that kinda squirrely looking undergraduate who keeps following you to the bathroom doesn't count, sorry, I forgot to mention that... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:28 PDT 1996 Article: 22995 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (749ba3d11fd3d805a2ca359d9c969c7b) References: <836000284$1375@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 21:57:52 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:03:50 GMT Message-ID: <836273030$11328@atype.com> Subject: Re: 50 Top Ten Demands Lines: 10 In article <836000284$1375@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >If a kid can't support himself, he either goes on welfare or starts >robbing the rest of us. sounds like about a third of the public highschool graduates out here...you can tell them from the politicians because the politicans don't dress as flashily... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:29 PDT 1996 Article: 22996 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (47de528ad69ed5e03a61570fb1575c13) References: <835984983$893@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:00:42 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:03:59 GMT Message-ID: <836273039$11344@atype.com> Subject: Re: Dahran Blast Lines: 18 In article <835984983$893@atype.com>, whit@cs.utexas.edu (John W. Engel) writes: >>Why must every tragedy automatically be assumed to be a conspiracy by the >>paranoid and weak-minded? BITCH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >>Mike Taylor ( METaylor29 @aol.com ) >>"One idiot is harmless, two idiots are dangerous!" >Ain't it the truth? >I take it you believe the truck bomb was not a conspired-upon attack >by someone, but an Act of God, then? >:^) No, No, John! mike T. is a liberal - he believes that the *bombers* were the victims (at least as long as they aren't registered as either Republicans or Libertarians, anyway) From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:30 PDT 1996 Article: 23000 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c437507d3d5b998dbbfba25b3a5ea573) References: <836000318$1407@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:10:23 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:18:36 GMT Message-ID: <836273916$11412@atype.com> Subject: Re: Alert: Illuminati in this newsgroup!!!!!!!!! Lines: 10 In article <836000318$1407@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >He must get around. He and the Judds helped me change the oil in my truck >yesterday. Then he told me that Feustel was _DEFINITELY_ an illuminati. > > funny, he doesn't *look* like an Itallian car... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:31 PDT 1996 Article: 23004 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (f3fa8895cf92a5df14618464eb0e2b1c) References: <835980483$758@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:21:25 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:33:34 GMT Message-ID: <836274814$11504@atype.com> Subject: Re: Militia Statutes Lines: 12 In article <835980483$758@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >No, the standard I've used is the one used by paramilitary laws, some of >which are very old indeed, which have never--not even once--been interpreted to >include the Boy Scouts. The notion that they could is a fiction of your >overactive imagination. The notion that they could not, having never been proven, remains simply that, a notion. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:32 PDT 1996 Article: 23010 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (26d86fc08b86b6d4fff513b20b6d713b) References: <836059763$3853@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:57:43 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 3:03:12 GMT Message-ID: <836276592$11714@atype.com> Subject: Re: Will Pitcavage Have Any Comment on John Doe #2 Search? Lines: 10 In article <836059763$3853@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >I skimmed your posts, did not read them closely. I saw little in them I >hadn't already read in newspaper articles. Interesting, mark, since the mainstream media appear to find a significant amount of new material in these posts...just what did you say your sources were for your information on this? From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:33 PDT 1996 Article: 23039 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (5696641d76a8b49f346ccf2f4d3d154d) References: <836242383$9915@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:27:19 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 21:33:03 GMT Message-ID: <836256783$10381@atype.com> Subject: Re: Do NOT carry a gun! Lines: 11 In article <836242383$9915@atype.com>, allenpete@aol.com (Allen Pete) writes: >Rest assured, we will clean up your blood and find a >replacement for you within a day or two. > >THE MANAGEMENT Why Allen, are you *sure* you aren't actually running as a democratic party candidate for congress??:-) From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:34 PDT 1996 Article: 23041 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6d13674c48c0e2a7c0ca30a2031b7ffd) References: <836237000$9685@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:28:10 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 21:33:26 GMT Message-ID: <836256806$10397@atype.com> Subject: Re: Stop the madness Lines: 7 In article <836237000$9685@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >What about pragmatism-loving statists? a hint: pragmatism is the word fascists love the best. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:35 PDT 1996 Article: 23046 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (8bff9705f56232aa66ba5d2fc5612b20) References: <836112783$5927@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 04:27:32 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 8:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <836296422$12500@atype.com> Subject: Re: Who made you a Colonel Lines: 8 In article <836112783$5927@atype.com>, mhollomo@ix.netcom.com (Michael Hollomon, Jr.) writes: >Oh I see. Does the U.S. President get to pick the Chairman of Federal >Express? Just wonderin. No, though the reverse may be significantly close to the truth... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:36 PDT 1996 Article: 23058 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (cd5c1c0b80de16bb911497e06b80dfe6) References: <835871583$3874@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 21:43:34 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 1:48:22 GMT Message-ID: <836272102$11225@atype.com> Subject: Re: 50 Top Ten Demands Lines: 25 In article <835871583$3874@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes: >In article <835849083$3058@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes: >I think this thread is getting a little out of hand, but I'll rather >bluntly give you a few final points to think about and then say no more on >the topic. I agree, that we've probably gone as far as we can in civility and, as unlike mark and tim, you appear open to reason in other areas, it would be foolish to alienate you based on an issue of only tangental importance to the movement. (and heaven forfend we should start debating statistics, or I'll spend another two weeks debating kaa...). Let me state that even as you find it impossible to conceive of liberty without government, so I find it impossible to conceive of liberty without free exercise of religion AND seperation of education from the control of the state. Perhaps our stands on these issues best illustrate just how divided this country has really become...it would seem that the most basic elements of what we consider to be society vary widely...a demonstration, perhaps that this country really is NOT in repairable condition after all...one wonders. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 10:03:37 PDT 1996 Article: 23059 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (55bb985763e06d4e6471d2d3b1970c1d) References: <835999384$1347@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 1 Jul 1996 21:49:42 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 2:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <836272983$11264@atype.com> Subject: Re: 50 Top Ten Demands Lines: 11 In article <835999384$1347@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >FWIW, I've also had a chainsaw hit a spike in a tree from an old fence. >BFD-the chain failed, but I don't see how I cwould have been hurt by it. Then you were very fortunate Mike, I've certainly seen them fail and fly away, but I've also had at least two fly back at me - that is NOT a fun position in which to find one's self trust me...although it did prove my reflexes weren't all *that* bad :-) From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 18:26:19 PDT 1996 Article: 23073 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (8671c09d1a8b20a4a4c28dfedf8f100b) References: <836111884$5899@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 04:20:10 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 8:33:04 GMT Message-ID: <836296384$12468@atype.com> Subject: Re: Who made you a Colonel Lines: 18 In article <836111884$5899@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >In article <836099284$5473@atype.com>, >Scott Alan Malcomson wrote: >>Actually, Mark DOES think we're being seditious simply because we're >>organized into Militia units which *he* thinks are inherently illegal. > > >Your paramilitary groups are inherently illegitimate. Whether or not they >are illegal depends on state law. In Ohio, unfortunately, they are legal. oh, that it explains it! no, no, mark! most of us had parents who were married to each other...we're very legitimate! From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 2 18:26:20 PDT 1996 Article: 23074 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (0357d125401673813579227cf2fd9a08) References: <836152384$7081@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 04:21:05 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 8:33:20 GMT Message-ID: <836296400$12484@atype.com> Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ALUMINIUM IN THE DIET (was: MESSAGE TO JOHN-DOE CENTRAL FROM A "... Lines: 10 In article <836152384$7081@atype.com>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes: >aluminium is known to impair the mental faculties. I could see where that would excuse your parents, les, but as far as we're concerned *you* are still responsible for your actions... Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:11 PDT 1996 Article: 23088 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7dba8298c99eb767ca6dba7faaecad62) References: <836274783$11472@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 12:48:21 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news3.near.net!cambridge-news.cygnus.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 17:03:04 GMT Message-ID: <836326984$13500@atype.com> Subject: Re: Militia Stereotypes Lines: 10 In article <836274783$11472@atype.com>, bogart1@earthlink.net (Tim Hill) writes: > We all laugh Uh, tim, just how many of *you* are there...I don't think you ever brought this up before...MPD is a serious mental illness, usually associated with sexual molestation as a child...hmm, but then that would explain a lot of your reactions to the real world, now wouldn't it... From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:12 PDT 1996 Article: 23089 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c77e3d54a3bee6a367c14460c1247478) References: <836274793$11488@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 12:54:53 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!news3.near.net!cambridge-news.cygnus.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 17:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <836326996$13516@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 14 In article <836274793$11488@atype.com>, AJSJ92A@prodigy.com (James Kessler) writes: >. I am having serious doubts about this entire story... Hi James, I agree...why is this beginning to sound like a replay of the Georgia frame job? hmm, guess it's easier for the feds to do this than it is to chase the neonazidiots - a job they seem to be leaving up to us.... Best Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:13 PDT 1996 Article: 23105 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (55b17ddea126feb38d751f0338343dab) References: <836270305$11095@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 10:52:49 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nwgw.infi.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 15:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <836319783$13301@atype.com> Subject: Re: Viper arrests Lines: 12 In article <836270305$11095@atype.com>, "Stiv" writes: >It Would appear that a new crime has been created. Anyone who says >anything against the Federal Government can be arrested for Conspiracy to >"Sparking Civil Disorder". >What's next????? > > Conspiracy to conspire??? From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:14 PDT 1996 Article: 23160 of misc.activism.militia Sender: news@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (3ede7e65b959253511cd8ef9ba5b0cda) References: <836258667$10506@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 2 Jul 1996 14:48:35 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!en.com!news.his.com!news.walltech.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 2 Jul 96 19:03:04 GMT Message-ID: <836334184$13804@atype.com> Subject: Re: Ideol_Mater_Form.html Lines: 9 In article <836258667$10506@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >Where is that damn psy-ops company when we need them? deleting those silly posts as soon as they show up :-) next question? From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:14 PDT 1996 Article: 23177 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (551c25f8ec6fdf88595a7082c5d46c54) References: <836327926$13560@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 09:53:43 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 14:03:30 GMT Message-ID: <836402610$17747@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 10 In article <836327926$13560@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >A good frame job. They went back to 1994 in a time machine, shot a video >detailing how to blow up federal buildings, came back to 1996.... Interesting. sounds like a First Ammendment thing to me...guess we'll see. From ahabiz@aol.com Wed Jul 3 16:15:15 PDT 1996 Article: 23178 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (ba6afa3d439af092c301926a549d9eef) References: <836258584$10474@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 09:50:18 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 14:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <836402583$17731@atype.com> Subject: Re: Commod_Spect.html Lines: 11 In article <836258584$10474@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >Arlin-you left the door open _AGAIN_! I order you to spend 20 minutes on >Timmy's website without dramamine. uh, Mike, far be it from me to shirk my responsibilities with regard to supervising who gets in, but I might point out that this guy is posting >from Alaska, which, as I recall is somewhat closer to Michigan, than Virginia.... From ahabiz@aol.com Thu Jul 4 09:44:42 PDT 1996 Article: 23275 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (45ccf9072816e79cc215a2bdb64a1257) References: <836314422$13038@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 09:57:03 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 14:05:47 GMT Message-ID: <836402747$17797@atype.com> Subject: Re: Who made you a Colonel Lines: 9 In article <836314422$13038@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >A few people here seem to have had too many cousins who were married to each >other. pseudoliberals can be that way... From ahabiz@aol.com Thu Jul 4 09:44:43 PDT 1996 Article: 23286 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (066597aae4e313577f52723b4c3ca0df) References: <836402654$17763@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 23:18:10 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!tezcat.com!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!inXS.uu.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 3:33:03 GMT Message-ID: <836451183$1067@atype.com> Subject: Re: Dahran Blast Lines: 9 In article <836402654$17763@atype.com>, metaylor29@aol.com (METaylor29) writes: >I think that terrorists, whether they are foreign or DOMESTIC, are the >type of bottom-feeding POND SCUM that humanity would be better off >without! Agreed. From ahabiz@aol.com Thu Jul 4 09:44:44 PDT 1996 Article: 23287 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (9f99ef1fd5cd20af402b3850e41c40fb) References: <836436786$485@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 23:18:11 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!tezcat.com!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!inXS.uu.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 3:33:38 GMT Message-ID: <836451218$1083@atype.com> Subject: Re: A warning the vipers missed Lines: 18 In article <836436786$485@atype.com>, wjb3@mindspring.com (Billy Beck) writes: >Michael Sears wrote: > >>Without the services of the fed's we would not be the country we >>are today. > > (oh, man...did he *really* say that??) > > Uhm...Michael? > > Look around you, dewd. Now Billy, in a very literal sense, michael is entirely correct - without the corrupt federal bureaucracy, we would not find our country in it's current condition...or don't you think that's what he meant? From ahabiz@aol.com Thu Jul 4 09:44:45 PDT 1996 Article: 23318 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (3ffa1f56389217d7ca548d792bd277b9) References: <836417953$18806@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 3 Jul 1996 19:15:51 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 23:18:10 GMT Message-ID: <836435890$449@atype.com> Subject: Re: The art of War and propaganda NBC style Lines: 43 In article <836417953$18806@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >In article <836351301$14829@atype.com>, Ukfan1a wrote: >> >>I saw one report on the 2nd that had a few militia "experts" saying that >>all militias targeted American citizens, to scare them into reforming the >>government. I couldn't beleive that crap! Is this REALLY what people >>that are so-called "experts" (and no, none of them were Pitcavage) beleve? > >Uhm, that's exactly the stated goal of the militias. The threat of >violence to control the actions of government, which is of course >controlled by the people. Of course, they'll try to talk their >way out of my non-propagandist way of putting it. > >They don't realize that when they play the propaganda game they're >in bed with the powers that be. 1. There is no Constitutional Militia anywhere in this country which holds any form of targetting of the American people as a stated goal. There are a handful of cowardly loudmouths, mike being the current example, whose self image is so low that they resort to feeble verbal attempts at intimidation in order to bolster their own egos, but they are *not* members of any CM or CCM organization, nor would they be allowed to join one - our standards are significantly higher than that. 2. The only one aiding and abetting the statist propaganda effort is YOU mike. By posting inflamatory rhetoric which *sounds* big mean and nasty you give them further fuel for their ' the militia are all racist lunatics' media sound bites. The really pathetic part of this, of course, is that you are much too cowardly to do anything *other* than talk. Of course this is also why so many of us believe you are actually taking the feds money - though I doubt you'd have the courage to do that, either. Oh, and as far as your usual bandwidth wasting compilation of anglosaxonisms which would constitute your *only* response to this - don't bother. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Fri Jul 5 09:34:22 PDT 1996 Article: 23342 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (9531002e40b5cbd0f88cf2e14bab836d) References: <836416294$18626@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:24 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 13:19:16 GMT Message-ID: <836572756$326@atype.com> Subject: Re: ALERT, mass gun seizures, immediate action required! Lines: 15 In article <836416294$18626@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >IMMEDIATE ACTION IS REQUIRED. The officers involved should be >confronted with like force. Their headquarters, barracks and >training facilities should be struck with the greatest speed >possible. > > Y'know, mike, considering you never actually do anything, it's amazing to me that you can even have the temerity to talk like this. Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Fri Jul 5 09:34:23 PDT 1996 Article: 23346 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (892332da6c6dd32413e61cf80bf282c2) References: <836418797$18875@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:49 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 13:19:51 GMT Message-ID: <836572791$390@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Vipers Lines: 12 In article <836418797$18875@atype.com>, mattn@netmanage.com writes: >popular support is the only pillar of revolution. > If a large portion of the population is not with you, your > revolution will definitely fail. Hi Matt, Well Said! Arlin From ahabiz@aol.com Fri Jul 5 09:34:24 PDT 1996 Article: 23353 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (bf9ed3e802bb249b1873dfed4ff768fd) References: <836368383$16324@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:39:33 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 13:49:09 GMT Message-ID: <836574549$885@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected.. - momp1.txt [1/1] Lines: 13 In article <836368383$16324@atype.com>, Joseph Pothier writes: >I would also like to point out at this point, and contrary to >Militia of Montana PROPAGANDA, that the Vipers called themselves a >MILITIA!!! Uh, j.p., where did you come by this information? I haven't heard a thing >from the Vipers themselves, just the usual untrustworthy newsmedia sources...you need to remember that to most of us the MOM press releases have *at least* as much credibility as anything the mainstream media put out... From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:03 PDT 1996 Article: 23411 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (5eb00657cf3b3d69d47900133417381a) References: <836460184$1585@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 12:45:20 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:48:37 GMT Message-ID: <836578117$280@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 15 In article <836460184$1585@atype.com>, Joseph Pothier writes: >But why he would want to >claim a title for himself which takes other people decades of >training and education to obtain is an absolute befuddlement to >me. Hi J.P. has anybody explained to you about militia units electing their officers? I'm not sure you understand that clearly... Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:04 PDT 1996 Article: 23413 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (a398bbf09688458aca6e19d7e7ea02f5) References: <836416998$18698@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:41 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:49:06 GMT Message-ID: <836578146$312@atype.com> Subject: Re: McVeigh a pussy?? NOT! Lines: 12 In article <836416998$18698@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >McVeigh is not a pussy, he is a warrior in a civil war with only a few >active insurrectionists. The McV & N travelling clown show were nothing more than pawns manipulated by a couple of white supremacist types out of Elohim City. Barrel haulers and fuse pullers. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:05 PDT 1996 Article: 23416 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (2f584a53a461ef2165e964a4e653f8f5) References: <836419719$19038@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:35 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:52:41 GMT Message-ID: <836578361$538@atype.com> Subject: Re: ALERT, mass gun seizures, immediate action required! Lines: 14 In article <836419719$19038@atype.com>, Joseph Pothier writes: >Why do you post this kind of trash? uh, j.p. that's just mikey...he gets stoned and talks tough on the internet, and I guess it makes him feel better...the word he uses (and I'm not making this up) is 'manly', if you can believe it.. Sad, I know, but since in the past he's also admitted to physically assaulting his wife, I guess we look at his little rants as a significantly less evil way for him to expend all that frustration, no? Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:06 PDT 1996 Article: 23419 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (35f812285807bace9cbcb0eec6256994) References: <836457571$1396@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:42:28 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:53:36 GMT Message-ID: <836578416$621@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the B.A.T.F. Lines: 33 In article <836457571$1396@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >Which personalities have you identified? hiya mikey...well, either there are at *least* three seperate people who have been posting from your email account over the last year, or you are one seriously sick MPD patient. Y'see there's this thing called text analysis which helps to identify people's writing by such things as vocabulary, usage, grammar, point of view indicators, and so on. So anyway, an analysis of your posts that a couple of us started early last spring clearly indicates that there are three different primary authors of the material that comes from your address. One of them appears to be fairly well read and well educated - writing at about the level of a college senior; one of them appears to have a serious drug problem, and generally writes at an 11th or 12th grade level, and the third writes at about the 10th grade level, depending on obscenities to cover up his/her lack of an adiquate vocabulary. Patterns, mikey, people function in patterns - this is especially true when they write, as they tend to use vocabulary, sentence structure, and (more fundamentally) concepts with which they are familiar. Your posts show at least three *totally distinct* patterns. In other words, mikey, you're most likely an anarchist cell, probably made up primarily of relatively immature adolescents, with a college kid or two thrown in as leaders. You are not now, nor were you ever, part of the militia movement. About the only thing we haven't figured out, due to what appears to be gender role confusion on the part of your membership is whether the poster who was sexually abused as a child is male or female. Patterns, mikey, patterns - your own words are what gave you away. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:06 PDT 1996 Article: 23420 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6ac4f02e0d1dcd0e9bc480012a2416a6) References: <836404414$17984@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:32:41 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:53:24 GMT Message-ID: <836578404$605@atype.com> Subject: Re: Who made you a Colonel Lines: 20 In article <836404414$17984@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >In article <836402747$17797@atype.com>, AHABIZ wrote: >> >>In article <836314422$13038@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >> >>>A few people here seem to have had too many cousins who were married to >>each >>>other. >> >>pseudoliberals can be that way... > >I wish you wouldn't criticize Wizzy in that way. I doubt that anyone besides you thought that remark was aimed at Mr. Wizard, mark... From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:07 PDT 1996 Article: 23421 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (87113bfd717e53ead0209dd53581c0e5) References: <836407984$18207@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:11 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:53:51 GMT Message-ID: <836578431$653@atype.com> Subject: Re: Naked Militiaboys 2 1/2 Lines: 9 In article <836407984$18207@atype.com>, jmk@worldnet.att.net (Joseph M. Knapp) writes: >Well, the militialoon roundup continues, and your weenies are hanging >out for the world to see yet again. Joey, you mom and dad are NOT going to be happy when they find out you've been using their computer without permission. From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:08 PDT 1996 Article: 23422 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (0546fc401b90503b4b37a438ed990c58) References: <836418821$18891@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:12:55 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:54:02 GMT Message-ID: <836578442$669@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the B.A.T.F. Lines: 14 In article <836418821$18891@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >No one in a federal office building is anything other than a tyrant or >a child victim of the tyrants. > >No government worker who loved the constitution could do their job. >They'd be fired for refusing to undertake almost every assigned task. you, of course know ?how many? federal employees mikey? and you have ?how much? experience in dealing with the federal bureaucracy. man, whatever it is you picked up to party with over the 4th must be a *lot* stronger than whatever you're usually on... From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:08 PDT 1996 Article: 23427 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (b8470eb01c3f82afd6f2500f8723ea36) References: <836422616$19252@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:13:05 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:54:50 GMT Message-ID: <836578490$749@atype.com> Subject: Re: A warning the vipers missed Lines: 23 In article <836422616$19252@atype.com>, dveytsel@freemark.com (George W. Trowbridge III) writes: >Do you think there is going to come a time within >the next couple of decades when this will become more realistic to a >lot of people. It's interesting when I talk to someone about the >militias. They start yelling Nazis and racists, perhaps I was affected >by this garbage for a while... How can most people know what a militia >is about? After all the average American turns on the TV and sees mild >garbage of news stories, and trashing of "the right". It's hard for >most people to see the danger of what you talk of for preparing above. >It is too unrealistic. Too crazy. After all they say, we live in a >democracy... All good points, George...we are indeed fighting an uphill battle in the public relations area, and we have a considerable amount of power and money arrayed against us. None the less, we continue to grow...how? Primarily by word of mouth. The message *is* spreading, slowly, and people are beginning to realize that we are *not* as the media portrays us. Time, as they say, is on our side. Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:09 PDT 1996 Article: 23444 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (8972d8bfe01cfb21e79de0bab429b51a) From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:32:31 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 16:48:38 GMT Message-ID: <836585318$268@atype.com> Subject: ABC NEWS ON AOL RUNNING ANTI-GUN 'POLL' Lines: 6 The ABC News site on AOL is running a poll on whether or not all guns should be outlawed. I strongly urge anyone currently on AOL to go to keyword ABC NEWS and tell these folks what *you* think about the idea.... Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:10 PDT 1996 Article: 23453 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (9cb4ad5979c8a7a7963c3aab8a0c7ac5) References: <836389089$17221@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:35:49 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 5 Jul 96 17:18:20 GMT Message-ID: <836587100$400@atype.com> Subject: Re: Viper arrests Lines: 39 Hmm, well, gary's post doesn't seem to have made it onto aol, so I'm having to respond by quoting firebird's quote of gary's post...if anybody can follow that...:-) >In article <836370184$16648@atype.com>, garyn@tir.com (Gary Newberry) says: >>On Tue, 2 Jul 96 15:03:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: >>:>In article <836270305$11095@atype.com>, "Stiv" >>:>writes: >>:> >>:>>It Would appear that a new crime has been created. Anyone who says >>:>>anything against the Federal Government can be arrested for Conspiracy to >>:>>"Sparking Civil Disorder". >>:>>What's next????? >>:>Conspiracy to conspire??? >>Perhaps it would make more sense to have waited until they actually >>blew something up, say an IRS office with 'EVIL' government people >>inside and say your mother picking up tax forms .... would that be >>more to your liking Mr. Patriot ?????? Nice try Gary, but no sale. You see, if we start arresting everybody who talks about doing illegal things at some nebulous point in the future, we'll end up arresting a fair portion of the population - say all of those folks who are conspiring to repeatedly have unprotected sex with strangers after consuming large quantities of adult beverages - thus *in point of fact* conspiring to receive and transmit AIDS. Then of course we have all of those people who conspire to drive under the influence of alcohol - why there must be several million of *them* every weekend - and they're actually just conspiring to attempt to kill people with their drunken driving. Deadly possibilities? certainly! Justification for arresting them *before* they do anything other than talk about it? Not likely! Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:10 PDT 1996 Article: 23466 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7ac228913e7d68e3a33d3cbce88bf4dc) References: <836578284$484@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 04:44:36 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 8:48:05 GMT Message-ID: <836642885$3280@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the B.A.T.F. Lines: 7 In article <836578284$484@atype.com>, goryder@teleport.com (1-800-Go-Ryder) writes: >What were the children doing there? Why were they there? I believe that they were in the daycare center... From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:11 PDT 1996 Article: 23473 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d7e92de308b99aba525e11c3a62fa1ee) References: <836578480$733@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 05:26:08 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 9:33:04 GMT Message-ID: <836645584$3393@atype.com> Subject: Re: SC Militia Plans Immediate ACTION Lines: 9 In article <836578480$733@atype.com>, Ward Mead writes: >The Time is ripe for all-out action. We don't just talk >a good game. If you've got what it takes, go to: yet another weird adolscent wanders into the newsgroup..and his parody page isn't even that well done - ward, you need to talk to tim... From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:12 PDT 1996 Article: 23474 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6e8e944d45a1be01b292ffbe42264650) References: <836578239$442@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 05:08:09 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 9:18:04 GMT Message-ID: <836644684$3334@atype.com> Subject: Re: REVOLUTION REVEALED Lines: 9 In article <836578239$442@atype.com>, discern7@aol.com (DISCERN7) writes: > Do we as Christians want to >Christianize and dilute July 4th, which is filled with so much darkness >and wickedness in order to celebrate it? It was wicked in its inception >and it continues to be used for wickedness today. LOL! okay, Al, how much did pitcavage pay you? From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 12:09:12 PDT 1996 Article: 23475 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (befc9bec210dd86b2ebbcac81e778c49) References: <836578354$522@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 05:16:52 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 9:18:29 GMT Message-ID: <836644709$3350@atype.com> Subject: Re: Dahran Blast Lines: 12 In article <836578354$522@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >If terrorism means targeting government office buildings of your enemy, >I'd suggest that no military force in recent history has been anything >other than terrorist and no war could be fought without this terrorism. >Government workers and people in their buildings are not civilians, they >are targets. If that is your attitude, then you are no different from those you seek to overthrow. From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 14:34:44 PDT 1996 Article: 23520 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (b3bc6b48428569f7072498cc3b10bcfc) References: <836578229$426@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 04:55:50 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!cancer.vividnet.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 9:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <836643783$3306@atype.com> Subject: Re: To those who deny our Nation was founded on GOD Lines: 23 In article <836578229$426@atype.com>, jstevens@cyberg8t.com (Jason Stevens) writes: > How sad it is that some dwellers of the greatest Christian >Nation, once favored by God, have forgoten and blinded themselves to >the truth of our origin. uh, Jason, there's this thing called the Bill of Rights - you may have heard of it? Article I of the Bill of Rights, otherwise known as The First Ammendment to the Constitution, specificly requires that this country's government remain absolutely NEUTRAL on religious matters. Yep, no kidding! check it out! Now that's not to say that I don't think religion is a good thing - quite the opposite, actually, as most people know from my posts on other issues. Indeed, I believe it is relatively essential for the survival of liberty that people have some sort of spiritual relationship with their Creator. HOWEVER, from it's inception as a nation, The United States as a country has promoted religious diversity, not sought to stifle it. In other words, you might want to rethink your analysis on this. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 19:10:32 PDT 1996 Article: 23523 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (24adca059868cf4158c23275412c029d) References: <836621284$2440@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 07:51:15 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 12:03:04 GMT Message-ID: <836654584$3611@atype.com> Subject: Re: Majority Rules (minority crybabies) Lines: 21 In article <836621284$2440@atype.com>, E London writes: >Its funny that some people say that minority rights rule when it comes >to the majority passing gun laws, but balk at minority voting rights >when it comes to black voting districts. In my book, the majority >rules.. that's democracy, and if you don't like it, you don't like this >country. Hiya E.L. care to name a gun law that was put in place by referendum (i.e. majority vote)? Also, please be specific about who you think might be balking at minority voting rights? For that matter, perhaps you might define what you mean by 'minority voting rights' - I belong to a minority, I'm a Libertarian, and I've never had anybody impinge on my voting rights. Every citizen has the same voting rights in this country, as long as they're willing to exercise them. You're going to have to be a bit more specific if you've got problems with how people are acting - your current accusations make no sense. Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 19:10:35 PDT 1996 Article: 23524 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (78be15a8b3394f6cfa7e6c608ef5684a) References: <836621304$2472@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 07:52:55 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 12:03:13 GMT Message-ID: <836654593$3627@atype.com> Subject: Re: Georgia flag ban at Olympics Lines: 9 In article <836621304$2472@atype.com>, E London writes: >If Jews love blacks as much as everyone thinks, why does Farrakhan >dislike Jews so much? faulty logic E.L. - just because there is appreciation in one direction, doesn't automaticly mean that appreciation will be returned. From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 19:10:39 PDT 1996 Article: 23538 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (1a5d00007552c4a19ba65e177a0c3dda) References: <836640189$3141@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 12:14:34 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 16:18:30 GMT Message-ID: <836669910$4139@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the B.A.T.F. Lines: 21 In article <836640189$3141@atype.com>, mamacamp@aol.com (MamaCamp) writes: >What do my posts say about me? Just wonderin'. 8-) oh, no, wait a minute! that bit with figuring out who/what/how many 'mikey' s there are took a *lot* of work - you aren't expecting us to do that sort of thing for *fun* are you? Besides, there are some real privacy issues here - yes I know everything that's posted effectively becomes a part of the public record, but very few people realize just how much of themselves they reveal, over time, in their writing. The only reason we went through all of this in the case of the chapman entity was due to the threat his ravings pose to the movement as a whole. Sorry, but I'd really rather not spend all those evenings sorting messages again any time soon, especially in analyzing a friend...hmm, though if you weren't married...oh never mind. Best Arlin From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 19:11:15 PDT 1996 Article: 23543 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7dec42f57b639f15fee6eedb81fc2445) References: <836641094$3186@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 12:27:40 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 16:34:04 GMT Message-ID: <836670844$4215@atype.com> Subject: Re: Children! Profanity! more. Lines: 8 In article <836641094$3186@atype.com>, Morgoth writes: >Basically if you all want to expose the Feds, win our freedoms back, then >we need to work together as adults! So what if the Feds want to be little >children, then they will loose in the end!! Exactly! Well said Mike! Well said! From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 19:11:16 PDT 1996 Article: 23551 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (37383e995c81983928dbe115b54f0539) References: <836660906$3831@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 12:37:37 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!news.sover.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 16:48:30 GMT Message-ID: <836671710$4362@atype.com> Subject: Re: To those who deny our Nation was founded on GOD Lines: 9 In article <836660906$3831@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes: > though as a country we have sometimes been less perfect in the >implementation than in the ideal. uh, Wiz, I think that has to do with the fact that we're a nation of *human beings*, y'know? From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 21:14:55 PDT 1996 Article: 23556 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6b32f0962ba6bf1d0eb0ff6a4b2ddfd8) References: <836669886$4123@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 13:38:52 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:48:04 GMT Message-ID: <836675284$4535@atype.com> Subject: Re: To those who deny our Nation was founded on GOD Lines: 46 Hi Dan, >Jefferson was not one to support organized religion. In fact, he was >known as somewhat of a "clergy basher." But his interpretation of the >First Amendment on the matter of religion is clear in this paragraph >from his January 23, 1808, letter to the Presbyterian minister, Samuel >Miller: > > "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by >the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their >doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the >provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or >free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the >states the powers not delegated to the U.S. Certainly no power to >prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious >discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then >rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." Okay, I don't have any problem with this, per se, as long as the last line of the Jefferson quote is taken to mean what it says - i.e. there are limits to human authority in religious matters. My point in citing the Bill of Rights was that the original poster appeared to be considering the country as a whole, and as such, the *national* policy of religious tolerance was set out in the 1st Ammendment. While this has not always been true at the state level, at least on the east coast [when the first Unitarian congregation was formed in Mass. for example, a Presbyterian minister rode through the countryside - a la Paul Revere - shouting "The Unitarians are coming! The Unitarians are coming!" :-) ] it became defacto policy the farther west this country grew. As immigrants from a wide variety of cultures moved west, each took with them their respective religious beliefs and practices. Each group brought with them their own unique ways of acknowledging and interacting with God. A process which we see continued right through to today. Indeed I would submit this is one of our greatest strengths *as a nation*. For, rather than following the old model of attempting to force everyone to relate to the Divine in only one way, a model which inevitably resulted in alienation and discord; we have instead built a country in which each person may find that manner of religion through which God speaks to her or him most clearly. Thus we insure that the spiritual needs of all citizens may be met - One Nation Under God. Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 21:14:56 PDT 1996 Article: 23559 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (396c0d87eeb069f79107faa9132d2e04) References: <836670889$4263@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 13:46:02 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!news.sover.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:49:46 GMT Message-ID: <836675386$4583@atype.com> Subject: Re: INTERNET SHOCKER from GORE-->> Lines: 16 In article <836670889$4263@atype.com>, jdulaney@nntp1.best.com (John Dulaney) writes: > AS..... > Internet Access Providers are bought up, one-by-one, by larger > corps. and pressure is brought to bare we can only imagine that > POLITICAL WEB PAGES, NEWSGROUPS, FTP sites etc. will be > > REMOVED/KILLED/CENSORED and/or CANCELED - possibly their authors > --------------------------------------- > harassed, arrested or set-up and killed. All in the name of > National Security. evidence/examples please?? From ahabiz@aol.com Sat Jul 6 21:14:57 PDT 1996 Article: 23561 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (6909c4700a989f23361cedc4baac3d0c) References: <836667194$3994@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 6 Jul 1996 13:57:33 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!fury.berkshire.net!news.albany.net!news.sover.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 18:03:22 GMT Message-ID: <836676202$4625@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 42 In article <836667194$3994@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >I vote for Arlin as eighteen-star general and grand mystic poobah! uh, thankyou for your vote of confidence...I think. Actually Mark, when I was stationed with the Army in the southwest, there was a local gun store that made a fortune selling military style caps with *twelve* stars on them - I think just about every G.I. I knew had one in the closet some place :-) More seriously though, for any group to function effectively there has to be someone arbitrating decisions, someone with final authority and responsibility for the groups actions. The usual practice among militia units is to elect those with the most experience to such positions. Some groups formalize this structure through the use of military ranks and titles, some (such as the folks I work with) do not. It varies by the type of group, the culture and expectations of the local community, the background of the unit members, and so on. Which, I think, brings us to the critical issue in this whole discussion of the use of ranks, titles, and what have you. There are really *two* types of authority in any kind of organizational structure - what might be called *legal* authority - that is authority derived from a specific set of legal requirements and responsibilities; and *actual* authority - that authority a person has simply because it is acknowledged to exist by the other members of the group or organization. Anyone who has ever functioned in a military organization in a real world environment, or even in a corporate bureaucracy, can think for a minute and see that these two types of authority are *not* synonymous - all they have to do is ask themselves 'who did I go to if I needed to be sure something would get done?' - generally speaking, *that* person was the one with real authority. Now understanding that you, and J.P., and Mike H. all deny the legitimacy of our movement, you may, consistent with this, attempt to deny the *legal* authority of militia ranks and titles. I would submit, however, that you *cannot* deny the actual authority of the the persons so elected, within the units which elected them. Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:38 PDT 1996 Article: 23577 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c77873c74255be31e205c6ca9a61bdf0) References: <836675353$4551@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 7 Jul 1996 00:03:07 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 4:18:15 GMT Message-ID: <836713095$5899@atype.com> Subject: Re: Dahran Blast Lines: 100 In article <836675353$4551@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >If your attitude is otherwise, you have no intention of fighting any >effective war for any purpose. Since no one in your cell has anything like a military background, you have absolutely no basis for making this determination - which is why you are just plain wrong. >It's really easy for you to take this >stand now; it will be unthinkable when you are forced to action. again that is simply untrue. As I've stated before, 'mikey' your cell members need to stop drawing their 'military experiences' from cheap paperback novels. > I don't seek to overthrow the targeting of government buildings in war, I think >it's a damned good strategy and you won't find many generals who disagree. hmm strategy for what? You obviously aren't fighting a war, nor are you preparing to do so - none of your cell members do anything except post on the internet. certainly if what you are doing is trying to set real militia members up to be perceived as terrorists then your strategy might have some merit - that is if it wasn't universally condemned by all of the real militia folks here. >I seek to overthrow federal and even state hegemony and the violation of >rights. No, you don't. You do nothing other than post on the net. You are nothing more than a group of adolescent anarchists who like to feel macho. You do nothing effective, and you will never do anything effective - anarchists are some of the biggest cowards around - we all know that. >You have no right to work in the buildings of an evil government, 'mikey' your cell members have no authority to decide anyone's rights other than their own. >and if you're there when that government comes under attack, TOUGH SHIT, >take it up with them and wonder what the hell you were doing there anyway. no, that's not the way it works. If you *were* ever able to work up the courage to do something like this - a highly doubtful prospect at best - then you would be nothing more than another terrorist, and as such we would help bring you to justice, in the same manner we are currently working toward the arrest of the other parties responsible for the OKC bombing. >Oh wait, you've SIDED with that government? Good, defend it and DIE WITH IT. HAH! 'mikey' you're the ones whose insane rants are providing the government with 'proof' that the militias are terrorist organizations - it's your cell which is contributing to the negative public perception of our movement...if there is anyone here who may be said to truly be aiding and abetting the federal government, it's YOU. >I deviate from the government in a very important manner. I would never >attack an organization whose intent was not immoral aggression. Those >who participate in immoral aggression lose their right to live through >their participation in that violent conspiracy. uh, hello? those statements aren't even rationale, nor do they accurately reflect your true nature - your group simply wants others - we in the real militias - to become involved in open and violent confrontation with the federal government, while you sit back and do nothing. As I noted above, anarchists such as yourself are inherently cowardly, and your continued presence in this newsgroup just re-emphasizes that fact. >Let me repeat for you one last time (God willing) - WAR IS NOT >DIRECT SELF-DEFENSE. we are engaged in defense of our families, our communities, and the Constitution - nothing more. If you do not accept our limitations, then you are NOT part of us, nor are you in any way related to our efforts. > IT IS DEFENSE AGAINST A GROUP OPERATING >UNDER COMMON GOALS AND COORDINATION TO ATTACK YOU. THE JANITOR >IS NO MORE INNOCENT THAN THE SOLDERS WHOSE BUNKS HE CLEANS. Only in your minds, 'mikey'. Innocence and guilt in a democratic society are determined on an individual basis. I realize fascism has an inherent appeal to your adolescent macho mindset, but none of us here want anything to do with it. Once again you are totally and fundamentally wrong. >WHEN THE BUILDING IS BOMBED, THE DEATH IS ON THE HANDS OF THE >AGGRESSOR. No 'mikey' it is the responsibility of those who bombed it - and should you ever do so (hah!) we would hunt you down the same way we are hunting down the supremacist types who were behind the OKC tragedy. End of discussion. From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:39 PDT 1996 Article: 23581 of misc.activism.militia Sender: news@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d2e40dd85a7ab904ae44bee2af7a2cb8) References: <836711356$5828@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 7 Jul 1996 04:31:36 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 8:33:03 GMT Message-ID: <836728383$6367@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 27 In article <836711356$5828@atype.com>, mhollomo@ix.netcom.com (Michael Hollomon, Jr.) writes: >suppose it might be more comfortable for you to assume it is some >falsified government conspiracy rather than what, on the facts >released to date, it plainly appears to be. Hi Michael, well, I'm not sure how many of the facts have actually been released so far. First off, all those 'threatening to blow up buildings' charges that were bandied around the first day have apparently been dropped by the feds - no sign of them on the charge sheet, as I understand it. Next the 'hunter' who supposedly discovered these guys now turns out to have been some sort of state law enforcement officer, a deputy U.S. marshal, and 'acting undercover as a biker'...whatever that means....in other words the 'facts' seem to be mutating in this case almost as fast as they did in the Georgia frame up. Thus it still smells funny, and we obviously don't have the whole story yet...guess we'll just have to wait and see, no? [BTW: Personally I recommend following, at a minimum, both the CNN and NandO net news sites - they have a lot of overlap, but a lot of times one picks up details the other one misses.] Arlin Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:40 PDT 1996 Article: 23622 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (835bd82091edaea1be8773bc6ac7d8d0) References: <836674384$4476@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 7 Jul 1996 00:03:06 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!imci4!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xavier.cybersmith.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 4:18:03 GMT Message-ID: <836713083$5883@atype.com> Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the B.A.T.F. Lines: 40 In article <836674384$4476@atype.com>, mike@paranoia.com (Mike Chapman) writes: >Do you cry for all those German children and women who suffered >from one tyranny only to be murdered by another in acts of outright >terrorism? Do you stop to think about those Japanese babies who >were vaporized, burned and irradiated by the US government in yet >further acts of terrorism? Has the US ever indicated that those >policies were actually murderous and unjustified? Have you? Yes I do, Yes I do, and Yes I have. Your cell needs to coordinate better 'mikey' we've had this discussion before...it's just that whichever one of you is writing today doesn't seem to have been briefed on it - ah well, yet another example of why adolescent-mentality anarchists will never succeed. >Do you call for the arrest of pilots who terrorized civilians in world war II? somehow prosecuting guys in their '70's doesn't seem like a very profitable exercise, now does it? Moreover we must learn from the mistakes of the past - not use them as excuses. > Do you think pilots in desert storm were terrorists >because they bombed iraqi office buildings housing all those innocent >civilians and no doubt children? Actually they bombed military facilities...in a couple of instances - the fake command bunker in Baghdad being one that comes to mind, the Iraqis managed to get them to con them into bombing civilians, but that nice high rise you saw bombed was the Headquarters of the Iraqi Air Force...you really need to start paying more attention to detail - Iraq is a dictatorship and there is *very* strict seperation of military and civilian facillities. In other words 'mikey' there is *no* justification for terrorism under any circumstances. Arlin H. Adams From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:40 PDT 1996 Article: 23641 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7d03bfa38f99fb84c132d92890f00e2b) References: <836794089$8598@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 7 Jul 1996 23:27:31 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!gatech!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 3:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <836796900$8991@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 15 In article <836794089$8598@atype.com>, Joseph Pothier writes: >I can not speek for Mark and Mike. As for myself, I certainly DO >deny the actual authority of these "elected" [note quotes] >persons. Hi J.P. hmm, an alternative then: if such officers were elected by the voters of the whole community, would you still object? I'm not trying to be dense here...just seeing what, if any, alternatives you might find reasonable. Arlin From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:41 PDT 1996 Article: 23696 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (260b1b6087bf39c0ede7cb23817fc6cd) References: <836836393$10558@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 11:45:31 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 15:48:36 GMT Message-ID: <836840916$10697@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 8 In article <836836393$10558@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >The militia is a statutory institution and bounded by law. in your mind, mark...to us it's a traditional institution, bound by tradition. From ahabiz@aol.com Mon Jul 8 20:05:42 PDT 1996 Article: 23719 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d9f06d6bc35146a46ac4b6cc136804dc) References: <836796788$8835@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 09:15:14 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 13:18:13 GMT Message-ID: <836831893$10295@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 11 In article <836796788$8835@atype.com>, jhistorian@aol.com (JHistorian) writes: >Hilter was not elected to office; he was APPOINTED. technically true but dodging the issue, Jim. Hitler was *appointed* as chancellor after his party managed to gain enough elected seats (and enough influence through intimidation) to force his appointment...if the nazis hadn't been elected initially he couldn't have been appointed...so he was, in fact, the product of an elected government. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 10:37:46 PDT 1996 Article: 23721 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c9eb2af58ab5ad5ac411f8f12329ca59) References: <836869714$12110@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 22:47:13 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 2:48:21 GMT Message-ID: <836880501$12697@atype.com> Subject: Re: To those who deny our Nat Lines: 10 In article <836869714$12110@atype.com>, hempster@io.org (frankenchrist) writes: > Uhh..sorry to burst your bubble Steve, but God ain't real. > > He (or She as the case may be) is very real to many of us frankie, whether or not you are willing to deal with the issue personally. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 10:37:47 PDT 1996 Article: 23776 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (bee05221ce510b5128e085c7d7af48f0) References: <836842684$10751@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 20:18:45 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 0:33:03 GMT Message-ID: <836872383$12249@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 11 In article <836842684$10751@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >I'm afraid that's not true. When did you think that the militia was not >bound >by law? > > When did you think it was bound only by law? From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 10:37:47 PDT 1996 Article: 23777 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (00eb5647fc417a3d20610051c55810ca) References: <836858894$11589@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 20:19:23 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 0:33:37 GMT Message-ID: <836872417$12281@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 11 In article <836858894$11589@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >They were a militia. You folks are just going to have to live with the fact >that YET ANOTHER MILITIA GROUP has done something wacko. most of us don't see anything they've actually *done* as wacko...a bit overly publicized perhaps, and certainly their leadership skills need some work, but so far nothing 'wacko'. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:01 PDT 1996 Article: 23803 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (80d6120e3c03dce9f1b2312e31b7c28f) References: <836893084$13439@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 11:02:32 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 15:18:25 GMT Message-ID: <836925505$15023@atype.com> Subject: Re: A little love note in my inbox Lines: 13 In article <836893084$13439@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >Well, here's one of the little bundles of joy that people like to send me. uh, Mike, don't sweat it - all it means is that you are effective enough that someone feels threatened by you...trust me, you ain't the lone ranger on getting weird mail...:-) Best Arlin From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:03 PDT 1996 Article: 23805 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (507ea76a54222b5394987f571506f079) References: <836895819$13771@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 11:03:51 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 15:18:48 GMT Message-ID: <836925528$15039@atype.com> Subject: Re: May I look in your trunk? Lines: 10 In article <836895819$13771@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >Did this come from Chapman or Vargas? > > naah, that was from helliot, the kid who trolled through here a couple of times last winter, and then got bored.... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:03 PDT 1996 Article: 23806 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (4455bba2115f76dde0a36697684396a2) References: <836802207$9282@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 11:02:13 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 15:19:06 GMT Message-ID: <836925546$15055@atype.com> Subject: Re: Viper Militia vs. Communist Party Lines: 11 In article <836802207$9282@atype.com>, mcarp@qns.com (Michael Carpenter) writes: >The charges against them pertain >specifically to explosives and firearms - nothing more. actually I believe two of the three counts are 'conspiracy' charges, and nothing more. What I have yet to learn is whether any of these folks were licensed as Class III owners...something that the media not-so-mysteriously seems to be ignoring... From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:04 PDT 1996 Article: 23808 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d0155c0abbf05b637e295b1bcfc81644) References: <836901188$14039@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 11:04:38 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 15:19:25 GMT Message-ID: <836925565$15071@atype.com> Subject: Re: Chapman Article Lines: 9 In article <836901188$14039@atype.com>, mmedi13720@aol.com (MMedi13720) writes: >Uhh, Arlin? Which plant wrote this one? The high school sophomore? actually Mike, that *may* have been written (longer posts are easier to identify than shorter ones) by the college kid...the one who likes you so much :-) From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:05 PDT 1996 Article: 23813 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (ed2ae4cc0744fa285b89106cc7dc5c98) References: <836796830$8887@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 09:15:34 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!hookup!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 13:18:28 GMT Message-ID: <836831908$10311@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 47 In article <836796830$8887@atype.com>, jhistorian@aol.com (JHistorian) writes: >Arlin Adams wrote: > >>well, I'm not sure how many of the facts have actually been >>released so far. First off, all those 'threatening to blow up >> buildings' charges that were bandied around the first day have >>apparently been dropped by the feds -- no sign of them on the >> charge sheet, as I understand it. Next the > >They never were. not true. go back and read the 'leaks' to the media following the initial arrests - I suggest you try both the CNN web site and the NandO Net web site...the initial accusations were that the group was going to to blow up both federal and state buildings. > >The indictment read: > >18 U.S.C. x 231 (Furnishing Instruction in the Use of Explosive Devices >and Other Techniques in Furtherance of Civil Disorder) Count 2 > >18 U.S.C. x 371 (Conspiracy To Unlawfully Make And Possess Unregistered >Destructive Devices) Count 3 > >18 U.S.C. x 922(o) (Unlawful Possession of Machine-guns) Counts 4-7 > >> Next the 'hunter' who supposedly discovered these guys now >> turns out to have been some sort of state law enforcement officer, >> a deputy U.S. marshal, and 'acting undercover as a biker'...what >> ever that means.... > >Where does this gem come from ?? > >None of the reports that I've seen identifies the hunter as anything other >than "Joe Anybody" out on a hunting trip. Jim, you've got to stop getting all of your current events information >from the NBC news people...really, it's embarassing...again, go back to the two news sites I mentioned above and read ALL of the articles - the information is *all* there for you, or anyone else willing to take the time to read it. From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 13:37:06 PDT 1996 Article: 23822 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (5cc016bd2603b4ec70dd6e75900c1f3b) References: <836858114$11497@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 8 Jul 1996 20:19:11 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 0:33:26 GMT Message-ID: <836872406$12265@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arizona Viper Militia Lines: 9 In article <836858114$11497@atype.com>, jhistorian@aol.com (JHistorian) writes: >It wa *they* -- and not a bunch of loud-mouthed piss-willy Nazis -- who >convinced Hindenburg to appoint Hitler. > evidence please? From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 15:44:04 PDT 1996 Article: 23832 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (84e04b67ba4d78e2ce1c6b69b8a82e32) References: <836929984$15432@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 16:05:11 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 20:19:07 GMT Message-ID: <836943547$16270@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected. colonel? Lines: 33 In article <836929984$15432@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >In article <836872383$12249@atype.com>, AHABIZ wrote: >> >>In article <836842684$10751@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >> >>>I'm afraid that's not true. When did you think that the militia was not >>>bound >>>by law? >>> >>When did you think it was bound only by law? > >What -other- things it may or may not be bound by is not relevant. Please >answer the question. > ah, and here is the crux of our disagreement, for you see your interpretation of the law as the fundamental factor in determining whether the movement is right or wrong. We, on the other hand, not only interpret the law in a vastly different manner from you, but we do NOT consider the law to be the sole factor in judging legitimacy (and yes I know the latin root, but I'm using the term in it's modern sense). Tradition and moral values also play key roles not only in our determination that our movement is legitimate and just, but also in how we interpret the law. So now it's *your* turn to answer *my* question, mark - what makes you think that the militia of the whole is bound *only* by law? From ahabiz@aol.com Tue Jul 9 15:44:06 PDT 1996 Article: 23835 of misc.activism.militia Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Approved: militia-request@atype.com (ec4bab550cca16849d2870329f757e7b) References: <836927385$15365@atype.com> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Return-Path: Posted-Date: 9 Jul 1996 16:04:33 -0400 Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 20:18:24 GMT Message-ID: <836943504$16238@atype.com> Subject: Re: Info on Viper Here!! Just as expected.. - momp1.txt [1/1] Lines: 18 In article <836927385$15365@atype.com>, FrankR@uoknor.edu (Frank R) writes: >Yes, I know a few libertarians. Most of them are not advocating violent >overthrow of the government, however. They are, like me, interested in >slowing the erosion of liberties (hence the name libertarian) we are >experiencing. We aren't advocating the violent overthrow of the government either, Frank. We're just willing to go a bit further in defending our liberties. Forget slowing the erosion, we intend to reverse it. The reason that we're losing our liberties so fast is that there is very little functional difference between the democrats and the republicans. Just think of us as the activist wing of the LP. Arlin Adams [who among other things, happens to be a member of the Libertarian Party.]
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