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From: mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel, a Prominent false Witness (repost)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:35:26 -0700
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In article <4qc09c$g9m@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dvdthomas@aol.com
(DvdThomas) wrote:

> Dan Keren wrote:
> 
> >Faurisson claims that historians "no longer believe" testimony
> >about throwing people alive into the "burning ditches" in
> >Birkenau. If he's not lying, he should present a large number
> >of historians who indeed say that they don't believe this ever
> >happened. Until he does, he's lying about this point.
> 
> In street parlance, this is known as "jive."

In a discussion, such a reply is known as "meritless" and "argumentum ad
hominem."

> Let me get this straight.  Every non-referenced assertion is a lie?  What
> is your reference for that assertion?  Oh.  You didn't give one.  I'll be
> darned.  (Or are only Faurisson's assertions to be treated this way?)
> 
> >We know, BTW, that the SS burned people alive in other camps,
> >and in Lidice if memory serves me right.
> 
> Why, silly me!  You do give your reference--your right serving memory.

Ahem. Silly you indeed. To reference but a few instances were prisoners
were burned alive:

Auschwitz. S. Smaglewska, witness before the IMT (1946).

Auschwitz. Hilbert, _The Destruction of the European Jews_, p.629.

Auschwitz. Nyiszli, _Auschwitz: a doctor's eyewitness account_, p.87.

Fu"rstengrube A.C. Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945_, p.803.

Gardelegan. Gutman, _Encyclopedia of the Holocaust_, p.353.

Kaufering Camp #4. Larson, _Crime Doctor_; p.57. 

Kaufering Camp #4. Suddeneutsche Zeeitung, 29.11.1945. _Concentration Camp
Dachau 1933-1945_, p.221.

Tschechowitz-Vacuum A.C. Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945_, p.795.

Warsaw ghetto, Gilbert, _Nuremburg Diary_, p.69.

> Jive talk, sir, classic jive talk.

Indeed. Best you hold that jive-tongue of yours next time when you feel
like pulling somebody's chain, yes? 

> To be able to conduct a conversation in a reasonable time frame, some
> element of trust and common sense is required.  If you said that you had
> searched for a historian who does believe it and found one, or if you said
> that you could not find any historian who supports Faurisson's assertion,
> after reasonably diligent search, then and only then would you have earned
> the right to legitimately claim that perhaps Faurisson is mistaken.  To
> call his comment a lie based on your reasoning is not a lie, but it sure
> isn't true.

Does this mean I can say "Faurisson is mistaken?" 

[drivel snipped]

Mark 

posted/e-mailed to Dr. Keren and DvdThomas

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