Downloaded from the http://www.c2.net/~bs-org/mail-bu/ directory on Dec. 29, 1996. DONT GO NEAR NIZKORS PLAYGROUND ------------------------------- Thanks for all the info, friend. I've just started posting to the 'playgroups' .. .they insist I am someone called 'Huber'. Aside from this I've received a couple of death threats but nothing serious ;) By the way in regards to e-mail bombing and maybe even the sending of Virii via email - I'd recommend telnetting to your Unix shell. Once there you can use Pine or Elm to easily fix any mail bomb or destroy any suspicious looking file that may contain a virus before it enters your computer. Also I've had the similar one sided conversations with McVay. I wrote 2 or 3 letters and he doesn't answer.. Do you suggest I continue to post to the Nizkor playgroups? Are there any Aryans who read it? Dear Comrades: Do I recommend the Nizkor playgroups (alt.revisionism and alt.politics.white-power)? Well, if you like to play, sure. I'm not being sarcastic. Some people enjoy playing with deranged Jews. I don't, but whatever rings your chimes. Just bear in mind the following: 1) Seriously, don't expect to accomplish anything. McVay and his scurvy crew "moderate" the groups; accordingly, attempting to get any kind of serious political or racial point across is like gambling in a casino: the house always wins. I tried posting a couple of times and my posts never appeared; I have spoken to others who tried posting and found that their messages had been subjected to "editing", the contents gutted, deliberate misspellings inserted, etc. I never play against a stacked deck, but it's up you. 2) Again, very seriously, I do not enjoy dealing on any level with people who are mentally ill and emotionally disturbed, and it is clear that this is the case with several of the more prominent Nizkorians. Nizkor posters fall into three categories: Jews; utterly arrogant liberals who are motivated by nothing more than hatred pure and simple for White people in general and anyone who opposes them in particular; and people who are obviously wrestling with some pretty scary demons in their mind, and who have chosen this forum to do so because Revisionists and White males are acceptable scapegoats and targets for malice and victimization in this society. Or some combination of all three. Then there are McVay and his sidekick, Jamie McCarthy, who in my view are simply mercenaries being paid by the Jews to propagate a historical hoax which they are perfectly well aware is a hoax. All of the above combines to create an environment which is extremely hostile to freedom of speech and independent thought; I find it is far more productive to use the NSNet e-mail format. Significantly, not one single Nizkorian has ever picked up on my challenge to debate in the e-mail format; they will not, in fact dare not, attempt to maintain their point of view in any environment which they do not control. When the Jews give up their power to define the parameters of acceptable discussion, and lose the final resort of killfiling those whom they can silence in no other way, (i.e. the cyber-version of forcibly coercing political and racial conformity), they lose -- and they know it. When the playing field is level, we win -- and they know it. Others like Ingrid Rimland of the Zundelsite have had the same experience. 3) Finally, before you start playing with these people, bear in mind that they are not only sick but vicious and violent, at least where your computer is concerned. Nizkor makes a standard practice of engaging in criminal campaigns of harassment and intimidation directed against Revisionists and anyone else who disagrees with them, including forged e-mails and spammed "mail bombs", threats against ISPs to cancel the accounts of people who dare to oppose them, etc. So far as I am aware they have never engaged in the deliberate transmission of computer viruses, because this is outright illegal and would probably get them arrested and prosecuted. Like all their kind (and ours, I'm afraid) they don't really believe in their cause strongly enough to risk ending up in one of those places where they will be FORCED to have a genuine multi-racial and culturally diverse experience, generally with their pants down around their ankles in the shower. Like all bullies, Nizkor seems to have an innate sense of how far they can go before they cross the line and risk serious retaliation. But it can get extremely unpleasant. A case in point is a man named Matt Giwer, a libertarian in Florida who also happens to be a Revisionist. Nizkor seems to have decided that Matt Giwer is not going to be allowed on the Internet, period, and this is a very sinister development if they eventually get away with it and succeed in driving him off the Net. Giwer has been repeatedly accused of being a Nazi, which he isn't, as even the most cursory examination of his website will demonstrate, but he's fighting the Good Fight as far as this goes and he deserves the support of everyone who opposes tyranny in any form. For some reason, Giwer has the knack of driving these kooks at Nizkor absolutely ballistic. I'm not sure exactly why; possibly it's because every time they pressure and intimidate an ISP into cutting him off he keeps bouncing back and there he is posting to their playgroups again. They think they have him down for good and and he keeps rising up again like Michael Myers in the Halloween movies, and it's obviously driving McVay et. al. up the wall. I won't say it's the worst case of Jewish harassment I've ever seen, because it isn't, but it's certainly the worst case I've come across on the Internet so far. I'm going to give Mr. Giwer's e-mail address (unless they've run him off that ISP now as well) so he can tell his own story to anyone who's interested, but I'll give just one example. At one stage, these people had set up an ENTIRE SEPARATE WEB PAGE, called the "Giwer-Swine Home Page", purely for the purpose of abusing and insulting and threatening this man. I checked out this page and I admit it came pretty close to freaking me out, not an inconsiderable accomplishment. There was not one single jot of political or racial or historical polemic; EVERY WORD was venom and cursing and abuse against Matt Giwer, and I do mean every word. I sat in my chair and shook my head in a kind of sick wonder at the kind of mind which would use this fantastic new tool of communication and creativity for this kind of petty, unspeakably vicious personal attack against a single individual whose sole crime was that he refuses to think as they command him to. I think that's the main reason I don't play with Nizkor in their little cyberspace playpens. I don't LIKE personal malice or unreasoning hatred. I don't LIKE vicious and petty personal spite. I don't LIKE seeing human intelligence misused and degraded, first into maintaining an increasingly threadbare lie about six million Jews who were never killed by that bad ole meany Hitler, and secondly misused to vomit forth mental sewage of the kind I have described above. I "lurk" on the playgroups, download their rubbish, scan it quickly and then trash it and leave with a very depressing, queasy feeling, kind of like when you've eaten too much of something that's greasy and badly cooked. No kidding, it's a real downer -- after I check out the playgroups I generally take a break and listen to some Mozart or Pentangle or Clannad as a kind of spiritual antacid. Comrade, if you want to mess with these critters, feel free. You'll learn a lot about the Jew and his mind, although after a while you'll probably decide you've learned more than you really care to know. Matt Giwer's latest e-mail address is mgiwer@gate.net His web site is http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer Mr. Giwer is starting a kind of project, assembling the stories of anyone who has been victimized by computer harassment from Nizkor or anyone else. He would like to hear from anyone who has had such experiences so as to form a kind of "support group" for those who are being persecuted in this manner so as to put a stop to it and -- who knows? -- maybe even bring some of the perpetrators to some kind of justice. I'm not sanguine about his chances, but then Mr. Giwer has proven that he is a very persistent man. Winston Smith
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