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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Black on Black crime?  I think not!
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Liberals LOVE to go on about how "Whites beat Blacks too, so let's not
hear about Black-on-White crime anymore!"  As if a few isolated incidents
equal the undeclared race war that the Black race is perpetrating on the
White race!  Just a few facts:

1.  A majority of people murdered by Blacks are not Black.

2.  In 1988 there were ten cases of White men raping Black women in the
U.S., but NINE THOUSAND, FOUR HUNDRED AND FIVE (that's 9,405) cases of
Blacks raping White women.

3.  White criminals attack Blacks only 2% of the time.

4.  In 1985, there were 629,000 interracial attacks recorded by the FBI. 
90% were Black on White.

Gee, since Blacks only make up about 13% of the U.S. population, one would
expect that they only commit 13% of the crime.

(Yeah, we really believe THAT one!)

Les

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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Subject: Uh, not really...(was: Griswold makes up rape stats)
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In a previous posting, Charles R.L. Power (karlpov@access3.digex.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>O.K., fucknuts, just this once I'll play your little numbers game.
> 
>>The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
>>of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
>>of White men raping Black females.
> 
> OK, shitbrain, I'll play your little game. I looked up the FBI's Uniform 
> Crime Reports for the United States for 1988, released Sunday, August 6, 
> 1989, x+355p., and there is no such statistic. Pages 15-17 are devoted to 
> forcible rape. We learn that there were 92,486 cases recorded in 1988 (up 
> from 91,111 in 1987), that this comes to 37.6 (up from 37.4) per 100,000 
> population, and that 53% of the perpetrators were white, 46% black, the 
> remainder "other." There is no breakdown at all of victims by race. (The 
> only cross-breakdown of perpetrators and victims by race--white, black 
> and "other"--is in the section on murder.)
> 
> So, Les, did you make up this lying bullshit all by yourself, or did you 
> copy it from some other liar? Do you use these same sources for the rest 
> of the bullshit you post?

Hey, got a problem with it?  Take it up with ADV.

Les


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From: mkelley@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (NAME "Marty Kelley")
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Subject: Re: Griswold makes up rape stats
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In article , karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes...
>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>The FBI Uniform Crime Report tells us that in 1988, there were 9,405 cases
>>of Blacks raping White women in 1988.  In comparison, there were TEN cases
>>of White men raping Black females.
> 
>OK, shitbrain, I'll play your little game. I looked up the FBI's Uniform 
>Crime Reports for the United States for 1988, released Sunday, August 6, 
>1989, x+355p., and there is no such statistic. Pages 15-17 are devoted to 
>forcible rape. We learn that there were 92,486 cases recorded in 1988 (up 
>from 91,111 in 1987), that this comes to 37.6 (up from 37.4) per 100,000 
>population, and that 53% of the perpetrators were white, 46% black, the 
>remainder "other." There is no breakdown at all of victims by race. (The 
>only cross-breakdown of perpetrators and victims by race--white, black 
>and "other"--is in the section on murder.)

Mr. Powers--Thanks for the debunking of Les's numbers; I had a feeling that he
was citing some source other than the FBI report.  It remains to be seen WHERE
Griswold got his numbers--let's keep asking him.

One thing I like about alt.revisionism is that the absurd claims made by many
of the Holocaust deniers send me back to the library & my own bookshelves; it's
always good to give one's research skills a workout now and then...

So I took a look at Susan Brownmiller's _Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape_
(New York, Simon & Schuster, 1975), one of the more significant discussions of
how discussions of rape get used politically.  I knew her 1970s statistics 
wouldn't be generalizable to this thread, but thought I might find some useful
points.  I did.  In her discussion of the thorny complications involved in
talking about rape and race, she mentions that "The FBI holds to a firm policy
of not reporting arrest figures for interracial rape" (Brownmiller 214).  As
your post indicates, that policy still seems to be in effect.

So where did Les get his numbers?

--Marty

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