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From: "emills" 
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Subject: Re: Diesel Gas Chambers?
Date: 3 Jun 1998 12:43:12 GMT
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The posting by Eugene Holman does not give a totally accurate account of
the information contained in the two sources referred to.

The Volvo site states that only 0.1-0.3% of a diesel exhaust can be
classified as exhaust gas emissions.  The remainder consists of the same
elements as found in the air, oxygen, carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water.

The site names both nitrous oxide and carbon monoxide as exhaust gas
emissions.  It says nitrous oxide irritates the lining of the oesophagus
and the lungs, causing nausea  -  it does not say that this gas can be
lethal.  Of carbon monoxide it says that it can cause asphyxiation and
possibly death, but it does not specify what concentration in the exhaust
or the air is required to have those effects.

The information at this site is consistent with that at the Carbon Monoxide
Headquarters, at 
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ.  There it is
stated that the CO concentration of diesel exhaust is 0.1%, higher if
poorly tuned, compared with the exhaust of a gasoline engine with a
concentration of 1-10%.  This site gives examples of the use of exhaust
fumes for suicide, and demonstrates how the CO concentration in the air
inside the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle ( expressed in parts
per million) builds up over time, but those examples all refer to gasoline
engines.  For example, it shows how a 1% CO concentration in the exhaust
(the lowest level for gasoline engines) will produce an air concentration
of 10,000 ppm after about 10 minutes, and then level off.  Other tables at
this site show that exposure to an air concentration of 10,000 ppm will
cause the carboxyhemoglobin (COHb) in the blood to build up to the fatal
level of 50% after about 15 minutes.

Although the COHQ site does show the build-up of CO from an exhaust
concentration of 0.1% (the normal level produced by a diesel engine), it
seems reasonable to assume that diesel exhaust will cause an air
concentration of 1,000 ppm.  According to the table at this site, that air
concentration would result in 62% COHb saturation after infinite exposure
time.  This suggests that the CO concentration in the air in an enclosed
space produced by normal diesel exhaust would not be sufficient to be
reliably lethal.

The data at the COHQ site imply that the exhaust of a poorly tuned diesel
engine could produce a CO concentration in the air high enough to be
reliably lethal.  If so, it is possible that poorly tuned diesel engines
were used at Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka for homicidal purposes.  If that
is the case, it should be reflected in testimony, ie there should be
accounts of experiments with the tuning to find the setting that would
produce a sufficiently high level of CO in the exhaust.  Perhaps this is a
topic for further research.  Alternatively, it is possible that gasoline
engines were used, but that would mean that a number of witnesses, such as
Gerstein, were mistaken.

As to the EGP gas purifier site, it does indeed state that a diesel engine
can produce up to 4,000 ppm of CO.  But this refers to the concentration in
the exhaust, not the concentration in the air in an enclosed space.  4,000
ppm equals 0.4%, four times the normal level of 0.1% ( as per COHQ site).
Furthermore, the accompanying table shows exhaust concentrations of between
1,000 and 3,000 ppm (= 0.1% and 0.3%) at full load, and a maximum of 200
ppm (= 0.02%) at no load.

Michael Mills

Eugene Holman  wrote in article
...
> More evidence indicating that diesel exhaust can be lethal, particularly
in
> inadequately ventilated areas.
> 
> 
> 1. European Union emission limits for Diesel engines 1990 - 1998
> Source: http://www.penta.volvo.se/industry/technology/emissionssem.html
> 
> (The tables and accompanying discussion posted there giving EU emission
> limits make it clear that nitrogen oxides rather than CO constitute the
> primary potentially lethal pollutant in diesel emissions, and that
> improvements in diesel engine technology have resulted in drastic
reduction
> in the amount of NOx and CO allowed in diesel fuel over the past eight
> years.)
> 
> 
> 2. From an Italian presentation ofexhaust gas purifying equipment, making
> reference to EU legislation giving the technical specifications for
exhaust
> gas purifiers.
> 
> Source: http://www.aliasnet.it/pub/amed/a1.htm
> EGP exhaust gas purifiers
> for diesel engine 
> 
> Diesel fumes can be a Health Hazard 
> Diesel engines typically emit up to 4,000 ppm of deadly carbon monoxide
and
> smaller amounts of harmful aldeydes and hydrocarbons 
> 
> Under the new regulation for the Control of Substances Hazardous to
Health
> (COSHH), a business that uses or creates a substance that could be a
health
> risk is obliged to identify and control it and minimize the risk of its
> exposure to employees.  Diesel exhaust emission is classified as
> "Hazardous" under this regulation; especially risky when vehicles are
> operating in inadequately ventilated areas. 
> 
> 
> *****************************************
> 
> The information contained in the final sentence is known to people who
make
> plans to commit suicide using the exhaust from their diesel-powered
> automobiles.
> With best regards,
> Eugene Holman
> 

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