Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Stephen R Gould"Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Holocaust Skepticism - A warning Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:02:16 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7sg3ql$35p$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <37ec263e.48887627@news.pacificnet.net> <7s4cmo$qqh$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> <38034549.122382112@news.pacificnet.net> <37e72bd3.1396912@news.xs4all.nl> <38299014.207077347@news.pacificnet.net> <37E79A99.659F4915@gecm.com> <3831d5a9.224893352@news.pacificnet.net> <37e8c126.17654384@news.xs4all.nl> <384e54ba.322973208@news.pacificnet.net> <37ea1779.22025836@news.xs4all.nl> <38592932.377373122@news.pacificnet.net> <37eb1230.201297@news.xs4all.nl> <37f5d84a.56324751@news.ij.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.243.98 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 938185365 3257 12.78.243.98 (24 Sep 1999 15:02:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 1999 15:02:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: hub.org sci.skeptic:365238 Hal Aman wrote in message news:37f5d84a.56324751@news.ij.net... > sbpoley@xs4all.nl (Stephen Poley) wrote: > > >I see someone has endeavoured to explain this to you in the past. > > I didn't see any calculations. Did you see calculations? What > happened to all the starving people? Where did the fat come from? > Reposted calculation (3rd time posted) (curious how the revisionists ALL seem to have missed this one post): Assume that a body - unaffected by quicklime (which would reduce the water content) - weighs about 60-70kg so that the water content is about 50kg. Assume a starting temperature of about 20C. Assume that water evaporates at 100C. (Actually, owing to impurities the water would evaporate at a lower temperature than that.) Assume that a human on a low-calorie diet has a body fat % of 10% (see comment below on actual fat in the body). I think those are reasonable assumptions in order to come up with an order of magnitude calculation. It takes 80 calories to raise 1g of water by 80 degrees to boiling point. It takes 540 calories to boil 1g of water at 100C. So a total of 620 calories is required to turn 1g of water to steam from 20C. 1kg is 1,000g, so it requires (50,000g x 620cal), 31 million calories to boil away the water in a body. As you can tell from any food table, 1 gram of fat is about 10 kilocalories (10Cal). So (31,000,000/10,000) 3,100 grams, or 3.1 kg, of burning fat provides all the energy needed to boil away all the water in a human body - no more than about 5% of the human body by weight. So an individual human body has more than enough fat to boil all the water in it. (This ignores any other source of fuel.) If you can find errors in my calculation, please do so. Note: % body fat calculations apply to subcutaneous fat around the body - but muscles, nerves, &c. have fats as well that does not go into the usual % bodyfat calculation, so 10% or even 5% body fat still is somewhat less than the actual amount of fats distributed throughout the body. Path: hub.org!hub.org!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Stephen R Gould" Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Holocaust Skepticism - A warning Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:05:17 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7sfpep$s0n$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <38034549.122382112@news.pacificnet.net> <37e72bd3.1396912@news.xs4all.nl> <38299014.207077347@news.pacificnet.net> <37E79A99.659F4915@gecm.com> <3831d5a9.224893352@news.pacificnet.net> <37e8c126.17654384@news.xs4all.nl> <384e54ba.322973208@news.pacificnet.net> <37ea1779.22025836@news.xs4all.nl> <38592932.377373122@news.pacificnet.net> <7sdbnq$1gl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37EA3FFE.4D150E42@earthlink.net> <7sdkbq$o19$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37eec779.52019261@news.ij.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.54.61 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 938174745 28695 12.79.54.61 (24 Sep 1999 12:05:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 1999 12:05:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: hub.org sci.skeptic:365285 > "Stephen R Gould" wrote: > > >Yes indeed. I meant that the evaporation is not a chemical reaction - it is > >certainly an endothermic process. And as I have already shown - and Mr. > >Moran has been quiet on the subject - the energy generated by the exothermic > >reaction of burning fat is more than enough to enable the endothermic > >process of turning water to steam. > > I missed your calculations. Would you repost them? I would verify > the calculations. > > And a question. Where did you find all the fat, well-fed inmates? > About all I ever see are scrawny, starving ones without body fat. > > Are you telling me they were overfed to the obesity or are you > working with just well fed to the point of having a healthy body > weight? > > Whatever the answers, I do look forward to seeing your > calculations. Reposted calculation: Note: % body fat calculations apply to subcutaneous fat around the body - but muscles, nerves, &c. have fats as well that does not go into the usual %fat calculation, so 10% or even 5% body fat still is somewhat less than the actual amount of fats distributed throughout the body. So no well-fed inmates required here.
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