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From Wed Nov 29 19:01:19 PST 1995
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From: (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dan Keren's disagreement with Yad Vashem
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In addition to Ken McVay's excellent article: in the meanwhile
I have contacted Prof. Gutman of Yad-VaShem (this, following
Al Baron's suggestion). Prof. Gutman said that the evidence points 
to the fact that gassing did take place in Dachau, but that this
never passed the experimental stage, and thus it cannot really be
said that the gas chamber was used for killing in the sense in which,
for instance, the Auschwitz gas chambers were. He added that the
number of victims was (relatively) rather small. Prof. Gutman also
said that these experimental gassings were carried out under the 
supervision of Dr. Rascher, who was in charge of the medical
experiments in Dachau.

-Danny Keren.

Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood.

-Lu Xun.

From Mon Mar 11 10:08:14 PST 1996
Article: 26919 of alt.revisionism
From: (John Morris)
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Subject: Re: Keren refuted
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:18:49 GMT
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Alexander Baron  wrote:

>In article "Daniel Keren" writes:

>> There was - there still is, actually - a gas chamber in Dachau.

>Telling porkie pies again Dan. The "gas chamber" which was exhibited in 1945
>and which was palmed off on the goyim by the Board of Deputies in Britain and 
>in South Africa was a delousing chamber, even Pressac admits that. These lies
>were used by two Zionist slimeballs: Suzman and Diamond - to ban DID SIX MILLION
>REALLY DIE? in South Africa. I have documented this. Ask Mike Stein.

>> There's a letter from Rascher to Himmler, suggesting to gas
>> people in it. 

>Next time you quote that letter make sure you don't misquote it. It doesn't 
>say what you claim it says. I'm not the only one who can misread.

Since Dr. Keren relies either on my translation of Rascher's
letter or on the translation in Kogon's _Nazi Mass Murder_,
perhaps Mr. Baron would like to correct my translation or
indicate how it has been misread:

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].

     --from SS Dr. Sigmund Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler,
       9 August 1942. Courtesy of the Bundesarchiv, Koblenz.

My translation of this portion of the letter was made from a
photocopy of the original provided to me by Danny Keren.

Rascher's large correspondence with Himmler's office indicates
that he was deeply involved in medical experiments including the
infamous hypothermia experiments. Rascher was condemned to death
and briefly imprisoned at Buchenwald after he rescued two
children from the Dachau camp and declared them to be his own in
violation of Nazi race laws. While imprisoned, he stayed in the
same cell-block as Captain S. Payne-Best, a captured British
officer who recalled their conversation thus:

   Almost at our first meeting he told me that he belonged
   to Himmler's personal staff, and that it was he who planned
   and supervised the contruction of the gas chambers and
   was responsible for the use of prisoners as guinea pigs
   in medical research. Obviously he saw nothing wrong in
   this and considered it merely a matter of expediency. As
   regards the gas chambers, he said that Himmler, a very
   kind-hearted man, was most anxious that prisoners should
   be exterminated in a manner which caused them the least
   anxiety and suffering. . . .
       --S. Payne-Best, _The Venlo Incident_ (London:
          Hutchinson, n.d.) p. 186.

We have already had one go round with the evidentiary value of
Payne-Best's memoir, and I would like to forestall the obvious
objection that it is hearsay and thus not admissible in court.
Hearsay it is, but it is also hearsay that would be admissible in
any Anglo-American court, and would have been heard in court if
prosecutors had known of Rascher's remarks to Payne-Best.

The one witness to testify at trial about gassings was Dr.
Franciszek Blaha who confirmed that the gas chamber had been used
(Eugen Kogon, et al., _Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of
the Use of Poison Gas_ (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1993)
pp. 203-204).

I don't know which building Mr. Baron believes was "palmed off on
the goyim," but there were both delousing chambers and a facility
that was at the very least intended as a homicidal gas chamber at
Dachau. Mr. Baron has yet to explain the presence of false
showers in a "delousing chamber."

 John Morris                               
 at University of Alberta     
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