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From Thu Apr 11 01:18:05 PDT 1996
Article: 30557 of alt.revisionism
From: (Mark Van Alstine)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:30:54 -0700
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In article <4kf840$>, (Ceacaa) wrote:

> Mark Van Alstine writes on
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 
> >"On January 20,1945, an SS detatchment that had been dispatched to Aushwitz 
> >shot about 200 Jewish women prisoners and ordered another group of prisoners 
> >to move crates with dynamite to crematorium II and III. Both buildings were 
> >blown up the same day." (_Anatomy_, p.174.)
> >
> >Dynamite is not a shaped-charge explosive. 
> The story is false in at least one important fact.
> A review of the aerial photograph of December  1944
> shows that the roof of the Leichenkellers 1 and 2 had
> already been "dropped" by the end of 1944 so the claim
> that explosives were moved into the Crema on January
> 20, 1945 is obviously in error.

I'm afraid I'll have to ask for the exact reference to that photograph,
Ceacaa. There is a difference, you know, between the Kremas being
dismantled and being blown up. Blowing things up is mush less tidy. It
leaves all sorts of stuff laying about from the blast. Like chunks of
concrete and brick. Not at all like a nice, neat, dismantling. I sure
would be interested to see just how tidy Krema II appears in that photo of
yours, Ceacca....

In addition, as far as the dates go, I believe them to be accurate. I not
only double checked the dates, but also cross-checked them:

Source: Gilbert, _Auschwitz and the Allies_, p.332,334-337.

"In photographs taken by a further United States photographic
reconnaisance on December 21, the sole aim of which was to show the extent
of the damage at Monowitz during the bombing rais thre days before, many
of the electrified fences and guard towers of Birkenau can now be seen to
have been dismantled. At Crematorium II the undressing room roof adjacent
to the gas chamber had been removed, and the roof and chimney of the
Crematorium itself was in the process of being dismantled. The fences
around the Crematorium can also be seen to have been removed. Around
Crematorium III the fences are also gone, and the whole building
surrounded by debris....

"On January 14 the United States Air Force flew its twelfth photographic
reconnaisance flight over Monowitz. Once more , all of Auschwitz and all
of Birkenau were included. Studying the photographs today, the continuing
dismantling of the gas chambers and crematoria is evident....

"At Birkenau on January 20, the SS blew up the already largely dismantled
Crematorium II and Crematorium III. That same day they shot 200 of the
4,200 sick women....

"On January 25 the Gestapo shot 350 Jews in the sick bay at Auschwitz: 150
men and 200 women. On the following say Gas Chamber and Crematorium V were
blown up.

"At 3 p.m. On January 27, Soviet Troops reached Auschwitz. They found 648
corpses and 7,600 survivors.

Source: Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945_, p.794.

"January 20 [1945]

"...An SS division under SS Coporal Perschel, the Labor Manager in the
women's camp, enters the women's camp, B-IIe. Perschel orders all Jewish
prisoners to leave the blocks; approximately 200 women come out. They are
led in front of the camp gate and shot to death. Following this the SS
division enters the prisoners' infirmary for men in Camp B-IIf. There they
select a group of prisoners who must bring cases of dynamite to
Crematorium II and III.

"The SS division under Coporal Perschel blows up the already partly
demolished Crematoriums II and III and abandomes the camp.

"January 25 [1945]

"At 1:00 A.M. the SS squad with the task of eliminating the traces of SS
crimes blows up Crematorium V, the last of the crematoriums in Birkenau.

"January 27 [1945]

"The first Red Army reconnaisance troops arrive in Birkenau and Auschwitz
at around 3:00 P.M. and are joyfully greeted by the liberated prisoners.
After removal of mines from the surrounding area, soldiers of the 60th
Army of the 1st Ukranian Front commanded by General Pavel Kuroczkin, march
into the camp and bring freedom to the prisoners who are still alive. On
the grounds of the main camp are 48 corpses and in Birkenau over 600
corpses of male and female prisoners who were shot to death or died
otherwise in the last few days.

In fact, Ceacaa, let ME cite YOU a couple photographs. On page 66 of _Air
Photo Evidence_ there are two photos: Photo 9, takan on Dec. 21 1944, and
Photo 10, taken on February 19, 1945. 

The caption to Photo 9 reads:

"both crematoriums have bee partly dismantled"

"the roofs appear to have been removed"

"the chimneys have been removed"

The caption to Photo 10 reads:

"both buildings appear to be flattened as if by explosions"

Furthermore, the text of page 66, excluding the above captions, reads:

"Chapter 5.8

"Were two crematoriums destroyed before or after Russians entered camp?

"Dismantling the two crematoriums. The facts are:
(a) The Dec. 21st, 1944 and Jan 16th '45 photos show no change in
dismantling of crematorium 1 and
(b) The German camp guards left Auschwitz in January '45,
(c) The Soviet Red Army entered the camp on January 27th 1945, and
(d) The February 19th air photos show both buildings flattened as if by

So sayeth John Ball, the denier air photo "expert." 

BTW, the photos cited above can be found in the National Archives Air
Photo Library, Washinton, D.C. The photos are: RG 373 Can D 1508, exp.
3055 and RG 373 Can F 5367, exp. 3185. 

I would ask of you the same courtesy in citing the photo you have mentioned. 

> About the executed 200 women prisoners.  Is this
> an implication that they were working on dismantling
> the Cremas?

It is simply a statement of fact. 200 women prisoners were shot to death.

> The Soviets liberated Birkenau  on January 27.  Did they
> find the remains of the 200 executed and uncremated women 
> prisoners?  The liberation was well photographed.

According to Gilbert they found 648 corpses. According Czech, more than
that. In _Auschwitz: a history in photgraphs_ there are plenty of
photgraphs of dead bodies- cremated and uncreamated- when the Russians
liberated the camps. 

> What happened to the other group of prisoners who
> moved the crates of Dynamite?

I don't know. Do you? 

> Please note that Pressac has published further pictures 
> of the roof of the Leichenkeller in his Technique... at page
> 353.  These photographs entirely confirm the Revisionist 
> postings on this thread.

How nice. I don't suppose you would care to post them? Hmmm? No, I suppose
not.... Oh, well. I guess we'll just have to muddle through somehow....

> Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in concrete

Indeed. Like your faux pas about how the "explosives [which] were moved
into the Crema on January 20, 1945 is obviously in error?" 

Those kind of lies? 



"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 

-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

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