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From Wed Dec 27 00:32:34 PST 1995
Article: 17530 of alt.revisionism
From: (Mark Van Alstine)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Auschwitz, a secret?
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 19:45:25 -0700
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In article <4bftbh$>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

> ubject: Re: Auschwitz, a secret?
> From: (Yale F. Edeiken)
> >>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>    This was my point and the reply of Y. Edeken and Mark was that
> >>    I was wrong because...explicit references on gas chambers in Auschwitz
> >>    were done at the summer of 1944!
> >No, our point was that it was well known before 1944.  In 1944, it was
> >requested that the bomber command target the facilities.
>      If it was well known before 1944, please bring the evidence. And not
>    something wich was published after the war put newspaper articles or
>    declarations wich were done before the summer of 1944. If you bring one,
>    I'll say, perhaps, 'this is this one that I think I saw'. If you bring 3
>    I'll be very impress. Here, I'm talking about declarations about mass
>    exterminations of jews in Auschwitz with gas chambers, not the (not so
>    wrong) stories about typhus, or mistreatments. Neither something about
>    Belzec or Treblinka.

>From  the _Abandonment of the Jews_ by David S. Wyman, ISBN 0-394-74077-7;
pp. 236-237, 392:

"...Fully detailed reports took a few weeks to get to the Allied world.
But the basic information came out almost immediately. At the start of
April [1944], even before concentration began, Gerhart Riegner of the
World Jewish Congress in Geneva telegraphed Stephan Wise that he had
reliable reports that the Germans planned to exterminate the Jews of
Hungary. Registration of Jews and yellow-star identification were under
way. After these preliminary steps, Riegner warned, concentration and
deportation would surely follow. In late April, a United Press report from
Zurich disclosed that 300,000 Jews had been concentrated in collection
centers in Hungary. On May 10, a _New York Times_ story from Istanbul,
derived from neutral diplomatic sources in Budapest, revealed that the
Hungarian government 'is now preparing for the annihilation of Hungarian
Jews.' [1]

"On May 18, only three days after the mass deportations began, the _Times_
reported that the first transports of Jews had left the Carpathian
provinces for 'murder camps in Poland.' At the samr time, the War Refugee
Board received essentially the same information via London from the Jewish
Agency for Palestine. The WRB inquiries to neutral governments with
diplomatic missions in Hungary soon confirmed the news. Less than six
weeks later, McClelland telegraphed the board that 'at least 335,000 Jews
already have been deported.' He had 'little doubt' that the destination
was the extermination camp at Auschwitz. [2]

1. Morgenthau Diaries, bk.717 p.145; _New York Times_ 4/28/44, p.5,
5/10/44, p.5.

2. _New York Times_  5/18/44, p.5; US State Dept, _Foreign Relations of
the United States_ series 1944, v 1, 1043-4; "WRB History." In WRB
Records, boxes 110-111,147; Morgenthau Diaries, bk.732 p.258; Hull to
Stockholm, State Dept decimal files: 840.48 Refugees/6079B; Harrison to
Secretary of State, 6/24/44, Assistant Secretary of War files, National
Archives, Records Group 107, 400.38 Jews.

> >>    The US authorities didn't believe them despite that.
> >>    My impression was due to the fact that I was already fully convince
> >>    that the gas chamber story was a hoax (I don't know how many hundreds
> >>    of revisionnist arguments I had read before to fall on that story)
> >>    but this explanation didn't satisfy me totally. On the other hand,
> >>    I've retry recently to imagine the picture and it doesn't sound
> >>    as strange as it was the first time. The request for the bombardment
> >>    of gas chambers was a continuation of a long propaganda, it was just
> >>    another aspect of it.
> >>
> >>    "Chaim Weizmann had proposed such measures in the summer of 1944
> >>     (somewhat half-heartedly, it appears). The strong impression gained is
> >>     that the British and Americans, while pretending to consider
> >>     Weizmann's proposal seriously, were just engaged in verbal games."
> >>
> >This is, frankly, a lie.  The suggestion was never turned down because
> >because the authorities disbelieved the reports about Auschwitz but because
> >some members of bomber command had an agenda of their own.
>    Nope. It had just require few more bombers to destroy the crematorias
>    and the 'they had and agenda of their own' refer probably here to the
>    usual accusation: gohyims always hate us, they are guilty, that's
>    because the US army, Roosevelt, and the whole world was secretelly
>    or openly anti-semit and the other usual scrap. Despite the allieds
>    gave the excuse that it wasn't possible to bomb the 'gas chambers',
>    it was just a polite formula gave to the jewish propagandist around
>    Chaim Weizman wich meant: don't take us for fools. The american 
>    intelligence acted exactly as if they didn't believe the extermination 
>    propaganda,and they had valid reasons.

Well, m'sieur Beaulieu, I must say that last passage of yours was absolute
and unadulterated crap. I suppose you mean by saying "[i]t had just
require few more bombers to destroy the crematorias" that you are
asserting that the Allies didn't have enough bombers to spare to bomb
Auschitz? Bull. 

At the start of August 1944 the Polish Home Army, ill-equipped and under
supplied, rose up against the Germans and proceeded to take a beating.
Polish officials in London then did some arm-twisting to get the Allies to
aid them by air-dropping supplies to them. Both the RAF in Italy and the
USAAF in England dropped supplies to the Poles. USAAF B-17s dropped about
1,300 arms and supply containers on Warsaw, of which, at most, 300 hundred
reached the Poles. John Slessor, the RAF commander in Italy first argued
that the air-drops "could not possibly affect the issue of the war one way
or anaother" and after the operartion he concluded that it "achieved
practically nothing."

This futile operation to supply the defeated Polish Home Army tied up more
than _one hundred_ heavy bombers for _nine_ days for _zero_ tangible
military value to the war effort. Yet it was deemed an acceptable risk in
spite the fact this took place during a crucial phase of the bombing

The number of aircraft needed to destroy the crematoriums/gas-chambers at
Auschwitz, in all reality, need not have involved more than two dozen
Mosquito fighter-bombers. The Mosquito had ample range for such a mission
and was a proven extremely accurate at low-altitude bombing. Mosquitoes
destroyed individual building on many occasions. (Gestapo records center
being a favorite target.) In fact, John Pehle, of the WRB, pointed out
such similiarities to the War Department in regards to the February 1944
mission against Amiens, were nineteen Mosquitoes bombed portions of the
prison there to free member of the French resistance held there for
execution. The mission was a success. The Mosquitoe's accuracy was so good
(they destroyed the main wall and guardhouses) that the last six
fighter-bombers didn't need to drop their bombs. It would have been
completely realistic to expect two dozen Mosquitoes to destroy the
crematorium/gas-chambers at Auschwitz. Pehle's comparison, however, was
ignored by the War Department. 

As for the "[A]merican intelligence [having] acted exactly as if they
didn't believe the extermination propaganda," you are mistaken. It was not
a matter of belief or disbelief. The War Department _refused_ to
_consider_ such intervention on its own initiative. There was no ogling of
ariel photographs at the War Deptartment's Operations Division. There was
no consulting with commander's in the field. There was no avid reading of
OSS or WRB memos on the attrocities and death camps. Instead, the War
Deptartment, in a confidential policy decision in _January_ 1944, to
placate the British stated: 

"It is not contemplated that units of the armed forces will be employed
for the purpose of resuing victims of enemy oppression unless such rescues
are the direct result of mlitary operations conducted with the objective
of defeating the armed forces of the enemy."

Thus the War Deaprtment removed itself, and by extension US forces in
Europe, from proactively taking part in efforts to rescue or aid war
refugees. Specifically the Jews under Nazi control. 

Finally, your assertion that "they had valid reasons" is so contemptable
it goes beyond the pale. The War Department was _required_ by Executive
Order 9417 to comply with the War Refugee Board's requests and to provide
whatever help the WRB needed to implement its programs as long as they
were "consistant with the successful prosecution of the war." Never was
the requests for aid to the War Department by the WRB shown to be
detrimental to the war effort in the case of bombing Auschwitz. Never did
the War Department give that aid which was rewuested. Not only was the War
Department deaf to the WRB's requests but they _lied_ to the WRB. They
_explicitly_ and _knowingly_ lied to the WRB about the unavailability of
bomber assets to bomb Auschwitz with. And you defend them as having "valid

You're pathetic, m'sieur Beaulieu. Simply pathetic. 


"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 

-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

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